Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-29 Thread Jos Backus
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 05:03:02AM +0400, .@babolo.ru wrote: I doubt that goes to ports ever. Make Problem Report. ports/38674 -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/Santa Clara, CA _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-28 Thread Andrew Reilly
Just fwiw (probably nothing), I'd like to express a strong yes please vote for a move in this direction. I currently use djb's daemontools to manage qmail and dnsserver+tinydns, and am pretty sure that I'm going to migrate the rest of my /usr/local/etc/rc.d services under there too, now that I

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-28 Thread Jos Backus
On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 03:42:31AM +0400, .@babolo.ru wrote: Begin with port. Please find attached a port skeleton for mktool 0.0.7. Perhaps we can suggest a more descriptive name to the author (cc'ed)? Feedback welcome. -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/Santa Clara, CA

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-28 Thread .
Jos Backus writes: On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 03:42:31AM +0400, .@babolo.ru wrote: Begin with port. Please find attached a port skeleton for mktool 0.0.7. Perhaps we can suggest a more descriptive name to the author (cc'ed)? Feedback welcome. I doubt that goes to ports ever. Make Problem

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-28 Thread Jos Backus
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 05:03:02AM +0400, .@babolo.ru wrote: I doubt that goes to ports ever. Make Problem Report. man send-pr Allright, allright :-) But let me remind you that I don't want this to be a port, I want it to become part of the base OS. -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/

non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
[Redirecting to the hackers list -- please respect the reply-to header] Claus == Claus Assmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Claus On Mon, May 27, 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: Any particular reason why the sendmail with 4.6-RC is writing sm- client.pid into /var/spool/clientmqueue

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Jos Backus
As this thread once more suggests, the whole concept of pidfiles is broken. The proper way is to use a service control manager which keeps track of processes, allowing them to be stopped/restarted etc. through a single API. (I am not going to mention AIX's System Resource Controller again because

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Philip J. Koenig
On 27 May 2002, at 12:24, Lyndon Nerenberg boldly uttered: [Redirecting to the hackers list -- please respect the reply-to header] Sigh, well I guess I have another reason to join that list, what the heck.. Claus == Claus Assmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Claus On Mon, May 27,

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
pjklist Funny thing about that, I actually created a /var/run/named directory pjklist for just the purpose of running named in a 'sandbox', chowned the pjklist directory bind:bind, and because I forgot to set the pid file path in pjklist named.conf, I see that it seems to write named.pid

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Philip J. Koenig
On 27 May 2002, at 12:38, Gregory Neil Shapiro boldly uttered: pjklist Funny thing about that, I actually created a /var/run/named directory pjklist for just the purpose of running named in a 'sandbox', chowned the pjklist directory bind:bind, and because I forgot to set the pid file path

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread .
Jos Backus writes: As this thread once more suggests, the whole concept of pidfiles is broken. The proper way is to use a service control manager which keeps track of processes, allowing them to be stopped/restarted etc. through a single API. (I I understand, but there no control manager now,

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Jos Backus
On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 01:36:00AM +0400, .@babolo.ru wrote: I have a lot of troubles with djb's tools in jail environment: they are unreliable. Huh? What is the problem? While the license causes plenty of problems I have yet to see the programs themselves cause any. Now they may not be a

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Cy Schubert - CITS Open Systems Group
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lyndon Nerenberg writes : [Redirecting to the hackers list -- please respect the reply-to header] Claus == Claus Assmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Claus On Mon, May 27, 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: Any particular reason why the sendmail with

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread .
Jos Backus writes: On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 01:36:00AM +0400, .@babolo.ru wrote: I have a lot of troubles with djb's tools in jail environment: they are unreliable. Huh? What is the problem? While the license causes plenty of problems I have yet to see the programs themselves cause any. Now

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Jos Backus
On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 03:42:31AM +0400, .@babolo.ru wrote: There are usual retrieval errors in jail+nullfs on startup I never see without jail+nullfs. May be it is the reason for daemontools not to work reliable when nonexpected errors occur - but I am not shure because a lack of time.

Re: non-root /var/run files (was Re: Sendmail, smmsp, and pid file)

2002-05-27 Thread Mike Makonnen
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 13:38, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: pjklist Funny thing about that, I actually created a /var/run/named directory pjklist for just the purpose of running named in a 'sandbox', chowned the pjklist directory bind:bind, and because I forgot to set the pid file path in