Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Mohler writes: : I need to upgrade to a new HD now that the current one : has shows some reliability issues..and Im polling for : what is the best method to do so. buy new disk. install disk disklabel da1 newfs filesystems. mount fs under /da1 for each partion

Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message Pine.BSF.4.21.0107071842230.58871-10@beppo Matthew Jacob writes: : tar cfl - . | (cd /altroot/local_fs tar xpf -) Don't use tar. It loses devices, can't handle holey files well and a number of other minor clitches. Use dump instead. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-08 Thread Matthew Jacob
Only if you want to be here until next tuesday. Solaris ufsdump runs 8 times as fast. You're right - tar doesn't handle files with holes. Not too many of those around. /dev you can and should always remake. Typically it's only sa0 out of the generic set that tar skips. On Sun, 8 Jul 2001,

Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-08 Thread Matthew Jacob
I mean, Warner- you're right, but, well, I've been using tar to copy systems for the last 5 years for *BSD, and, well, it really works best for me. On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: Only if you want to be here until next tuesday. Solaris ufsdump runs 8 times as fast. You're

Want to write kernel docs

2001-07-08 Thread Chad David
I am interested in writing man pages for some kernel functions related to some work that I am doing. As I am not familiar with a lot of the code that I am going through I am looking for someone who would be willing to validate what I write before (or after) I send it (is send-pr the best way to

Re: Authentic FreeBSD (Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral)

2001-07-08 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:27:16 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] such. It's often the case that actually tracking the effectiveness of, say, $500 towards some theoretically worthy cause costs you thousands of dollars in man-hours. Heck, If somebody tried to donate a million

Re: Authentic FreeBSD (Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral)

2001-07-08 Thread Josef Grosch
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 08:33:04AM +, E.B. Dreger wrote: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:27:16 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] such. It's often the case that actually tracking the effectiveness of, say, $500 towards some theoretically worthy cause costs you thousands of

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:35:06AM -0400, Matthew Emmerton wrote: Richard Hodges wrote: Sure, no argument there. Taking Wes' suggestion, maybe there is an opportunity in the official distribution distinction. How about a certificate of authenticity which costs the vendors $1 or $2

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Peter Wemm
Sergey Babkin wrote: Peter Wemm wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sergey Babkin writes: If the FreeBSD Foundation is an existing entity now, maybe we can just change the license for the CD images to not for resale unless the distributor signs an

Re: Flight of the rat, living wreck.....

2001-07-08 Thread Igor Podlesny
Hello everybody! This is relative to 4.3 for yet ;) so if you're using something older you can skip it easily. well, I came up with a patch (http://www.morning.ru/~poige/patchzone/ip_fw.c.patch) How it was started -- For a long time I've been looking forward (and

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Wes Peters([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.07 21:57:35 +: Richard Hodges wrote: Sure, no argument there. Taking Wes' suggestion, maybe there is an opportunity in the official distribution distinction. How about a certificate of authenticity which costs the vendors $1 or $2 (or

dbopen man page

2001-07-08 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
I have some questions about the dbopen(3) man page. 1. It seems to me that the list of includes should include something like #include fcntl.h otherwise the various flags for open(2) are not defined (like O_RDWR, etc), and these are needed for dbopen. 2. If I do something like this:

IPPROTO_RAW funkness

2001-07-08 Thread fygrave
Hi folks, Just noticed 2 interesting things while reading ip/icmp datagrams off the IPPROTO_RAW socket (i.g.): int on =1; sock = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_RAW, IPPROTO_ICMP); setsockopt(sock, IPPROTO_IP, IP_HDRINCL, (char *)on, sizeof(on)) 0); /* works without sockopt too! */ ...

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Bsdguru
In a message dated 7/6/01 4:00:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing BSDi ever did made any sense, so why does this suprise you? The fact that BSDi didnt nothing positive for FreeBSD doesnt surprise me at all. Luckily, with this post to the mailing list

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Bsdguru
In a message dated 7/7/01 6:52:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But as far as added-value goes, why wouldn't minimum cost be an added value to a potential customer? I think that the companies like Cheapbytes serve a social purpose in this regard. If theres one

Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-08 Thread Warner Losh
In message Pine.BSF.4.21.0107080040010.61247-10@beppo Matthew Jacob writes: : Only if you want to be here until next tuesday. Solaris ufsdump runs 8 times : as fast. Yes. Mostly because it uses async io and a couple other tricks (Dworkin Muller did a lot of work on ufsdump on solaris to

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:29:40 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If theres one thing that non-unix people have learned about unix is that the cost of the product is insignificant compared to the value of time in getting it to function. Its already free to anyone who knows what they are doing. A

Create a FreeBSD bootable CD

2001-07-08 Thread Chojin
Hello, Someone could tell me how create a bootable FreeBSD CD ? I cannot use a floppy image because it is too small to put my kernel (1.5 Mo), and I cant create a 2.88 Mb floppy image (as I don't have the drive). Then how create a freebsd boot image which use the real CD space to put all files

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread scanner
Sorry, not knowing what the @#$! one is doing does not translate into the OS having a high time until usefulness. IMHO, FreeBSD's TUU and TCO are _so_ much lower than Linux or NT... that's one of the non-technical reasons that I love it so. Whats the saying, knowledge without understanding

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Noses
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wes Peters) wrote: If so - where will the funeral be held and will there be Jordan soup for sharing and grokking (although I'd prefer some other people to donate some food)? Soup? Jordan? Never. A nice thick stew with beer broth, yes. Could we

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Noses
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jordan Hubbard) wrote: You disagree with me that Walnut Creek CDROM is gone? I would... Three days ago they (Walnut Creek CDROM) charged my credit card with USD 34.95. That's quite a greedy corpse, wouldn't you say? 8-) Take that mail as a rather bad

Re. The Foundation [was Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral]

2001-07-08 Thread Julian Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hackers, CC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wind River might be cautious slow when considering donating the FreeBSD trademark to a FreeBSD Foundation controlled by a board of just 3 directors, that even FreeBSD people are just getting to know of, have yet to evaluate as `The Foundation'. Wind River might

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Somers writes: I'm not having a go at Cheapbytes. I'm just saying that their CDs should be labeled official or unofficial based on their content. If they want to drop the base ISO image onto a CD and sell it, then they're as official as anybody else.

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Greg Black
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Somers writes: | | I'm not having a go at Cheapbytes. I'm just saying that their CDs | should be labeled official or unofficial based on their content. If | they want to drop the base ISO image onto a CD and sell it, then |

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Brian Somers
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Somers writes: | | I'm not having a go at Cheapbytes. I'm just saying that their CDs | should be labeled official or unofficial based on their content. If | they want to drop the base ISO image onto a CD and sell it, then

deliberate kernel panic?

2001-07-08 Thread Michael Lucas
Hello, I'm writing an article on kernel panics -- specifically, how to prepare for one, how to deal with one, and a cookbook on what to do to give an admin the best possible chance of getting help with the issue. Unfortunately, I haven't built a panicing kernel in years. Is there any way to

Re: deliberate kernel panic?

2001-07-08 Thread Ben Smithurst
Michael Lucas wrote: Unfortunately, I haven't built a panicing kernel in years. Is there any way to force a system to panic in such a way as to save a core? I'm sure someone out there has a little program that creates a panic. :) Build a kernel with DDB, press Ctrl-Alt-Esc, type panic.

Re: deliberate kernel panic?

2001-07-08 Thread Michael Lucas
Thanks! This was exactly what I'm looking for! On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 12:37:04AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: Michael Lucas wrote: Unfortunately, I haven't built a panicing kernel in years. Is there any way to force a system to panic in such a way as to save a core? I'm sure someone

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 06:59:14AM +1000, Greg Black wrote: Perhaps this labelling can be in the form of information on the FreeBSD.ORG web site that lists distributions that merit the official label. so this list would be controlled by those who can make changes to the FreeBSD web site,

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 12:29:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luckily, with this post to the mailing list you can join the ranks of doing nothing positive for the project. Congrats! I seriously doubt if I am the only one who is beyond disappointed in BSDI's contribution to

re: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread chromexa
** Original Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral ** Original Sender: Bill Fumerola [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Original Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:45:58 -0400 ** Original Message follows... On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 06:59:14AM +1000, Greg Black wrote: Perhaps this labelling can be in the

Re: best way to migrate to a new disk

2001-07-08 Thread Ronald G Minnich
On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Warner Losh wrote: In message Pine.BSF.4.21.0107071842230.58871-10@beppo Matthew Jacob writes: : tar cfl - . | (cd /altroot/local_fs tar xpf -) Don't use tar. It loses devices, can't handle holey files well and a number of other minor clitches. Use dump instead.

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Nik Clayton
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 10:04:31PM +0100, Brian Somers wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Perhaps this labelling can be in the form of information on the FreeBSD.ORG web site that lists distributions that merit the official label. That seems to make a lot of sense. In this context,

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Greg Black
Bill Fumerola wrote: | On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 06:59:14AM +1000, Greg Black wrote: | | Perhaps this labelling can be in the form of information on the | FreeBSD.ORG web site that lists distributions that merit the | official label. | | so this list would be controlled by those who can make

Re: Re. The Foundation [was Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral]

2001-07-08 Thread Jordan Hubbard
From: Julian Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re. The Foundation [was Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral] Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:53:40 +0200 As I recall FreeBSD Inc (ie jkh dg, a team of 2) once held the trademark, then it moved to Walnut, then BSDi, then Wind River. Just

deny this

2001-07-08 Thread Mustafa N. Deeb
hi all,, how can I tell sendmail to deny this MAIL From: SIZE=1926 250 ... Sender ok cheers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-08 Thread Wes Peters
Noses wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wes Peters) wrote: If so - where will the funeral be held and will there be Jordan soup for sharing and grokking (although I'd prefer some other people to donate some food)? Soup? Jordan? Never. A nice thick stew with beer

Re: Re. The Foundation [was Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral]

2001-07-08 Thread Justin T. Gibbs
Hackers, CC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wind River might be cautious slow when considering donating the FreeBSD trademark to a FreeBSD Foundation controlled by a board of just 3 directors, that even FreeBSD people are just getting to know of, have yet to evaluate as `The Foundation'. I believe that all