Re: Make's ongoing effort to get his PR's closed...

2002-02-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my ongoing attempt to get my PR's closed, here's the list again. They are listed roughly in the order of difficulty. Please send this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

if_wb w89c840af winbond card

2002-02-17 Thread Peter J. Blok
Hi, I wonder if there is somebody who has a working winbond ethernet card. My card has a W89C840 chip and an AC104 PHY. The driver doesn't find the AC104 and as a result the kernel panics. The fix to avoid the panic is very easy, but i started to wonder if it is the AC104 that is causing this

Natural stone tables

2002-02-17 Thread KD
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in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Hiten Pandya
hi all, [ I am not currently subscribed to -questions, please CC a copy to me, thanks. :) ] I beleive this question is not intended for the -hackers list, but might be interesting. I have also cc'ed this to the -questions list. Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dominic Marks
Hey, On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:33:43AM -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote: hi all, [ I am not currently subscribed to -questions, please CC a copy to me, thanks. :) ] I beleive this question is not intended for the -hackers list, but might be interesting. I have also cc'ed this to the

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Hiten Pandya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? God forbid! Lots of hack value, sure, but not something you'd seriously consider for production use. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send

Clearcase and FreeBSD

2002-02-17 Thread Robert Withrow
Hi: I was wondering if there was anyone working on getting ClearCase working on FreeBSD? It seems that if we can get the Linux version of VmWare to run on FreeBSD it should be possible to get the Linux version of ClearCase to run on FreeBSD, but maybe I'm just dreamin'?

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Dag-Erling Smorgrav ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hiten Pandya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? God forbid! Lots of hack value, sure, but not something you'd seriously consider for production use. Don't functions

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Miguel Mendez
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:33:43AM -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote: Hi, Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? As others have pointed out, it may have big hacker value, but no one would use it for anything serious. AFAIK there's no such thing for FreeBSD,

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Thomas Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't functions like FreeBSD's zero-copy sendfile() provide similar performance benefits without the massive security issues? sendfile() isn't zero-copy, it's just two-less-copies. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
sendfile() isn't zero-copy, it's just two-less-copies. zero-copy means zero copy-operations within memory non-zero-copy usually goes device - buffer - user space - buffer - device (2 copy operations) zero-copy device - buffer/userspace/shared - device -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk, MCSE, MCNE, CLS,

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? God forbid! Lots of hack value, sure, but not something you'd seriously consider for production use. well .. So let's turn the question upside-down, and ask Is there a web server or -accelerator for FreeBSD

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well .. So let's turn the question upside-down, and ask Is there a web server or -accelerator for FreeBSD with similar performance as with khttpd or Tux? Have you tried thttpd or boa? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Julian Elischer
there is one. Written by [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's proprietary but maybe not.. (CC'd) On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Dominic Marks wrote: Hey, On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:33:43AM -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote: hi all, [ I am not currently subscribed to -questions, please CC a copy to me,

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dominic Marks
Hey, On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 07:15:10PM +0100, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? God forbid! Lots of hack value, sure, but not something you'd seriously consider for production use. well .. So let's turn

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Have you tried thttpd or boa? thttpd chrashed when 2 simultanous downloads was started (large files) haven tried boa... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk, MCSE, MCNE, CLS, LCA Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working when you open

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sendfile() isn't zero-copy, it's just two-less-copies. zero-copy means zero copy-operations within memory To an MCSE, maybe. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Ronald G Minnich
On 17 Feb 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sendfile() isn't zero-copy, it's just two-less-copies. zero-copy means zero copy-operations within memory To an MCSE, maybe. I think Roy is right. AFAIK the term zero copy was invented by Van

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread John Polstra
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julian Elischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is one. Written by [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's proprietary but maybe not.. (CC'd) Yes, I wrote one. Yes, it's proprietary. To those who dismissed it as a dumb idea: broaden your minds. It's extremely useful

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Thomas Hurst
* John Polstra ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To those who dismissed it as a dumb idea: broaden your minds. It wasn't dismissed as a dumb idea, more an idea nobody would use for a production webserver, which I doubt includes: a testbed for performance testing various kinds of network appliances.

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
sendfile() isn't zero-copy, it's just two-less-copies. zero-copy means zero copy-operations within memory To an MCSE, maybe. strange ... It's interesting that Dr. Scient Paal Halvorsen that recently finished his thesis about the subject 'Memory buffering / caching in multimedia streaming

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sendfile() isn't zero-copy, it's just two-less-copies. zero-copy means zero copy-operations within memory To an MCSE, maybe. strange ... [...] So what would you call direct DMA from the disk controller to the network adapter?

Re: Clearcase and FreeBSD

2002-02-17 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Robert Withrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020217 08:13] wrote: Hi: I was wondering if there was anyone working on getting ClearCase working on FreeBSD? It seems that if we can get the Linux version of VmWare to run on FreeBSD it should be possible to get the Linux version of ClearCase to run

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
So what would you call direct DMA from the disk controller to the network adapter? Minus-one-copy? And even in the sendfile(2) case, data sometimes *is* copied in-core to satisfy alignment requirements etc. Stop using buzzwords just because they give you a woody. buzzwords or whatever - I

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Julian Elischer
now all we need is to connnect it to sysctl remote configuration of your kernel via web interface (runs screaming from room) On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, John Polstra wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julian Elischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is one. Written by [EMAIL PROTECTED] I

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Marcel de Vries
As far as I can see about publishing your Product Status is really immature you know. To be posting this in a open source community is be asking for an confrontation. It is not about being smart of dump, to keep in track and learning the beauty of technology but even to make bigger sense in

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Kip Macy
Can we move the personal slights off of -hackers? This is extraordinarily unprofessional. If you need to do this in a public forum, do it on -chat. On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Marcel de Vries wrote: As far as I can see about publishing your Product Status is really immature you know. To be

bug in ptcwrite()

2002-02-17 Thread Neelkanth Natu
Hi, The following code in ptcwrite() in kern/tty_pty.c is supposed to prevent the tty input buffer overflow (for certain cases): 612 if ((tp-t_rawq.c_cc + tp-t_canq.c_cc) = TTYHOG - 2 613 (tp-t_canq.c_cc 0 || !(tp-t_iflagICANON))) { 614 wakeup(TSA_HUP_OR_INPUT(tp));

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Hiten Pandya
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 11:05:04AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: Yes, I wrote one. Yes, it's proprietary. One obvious example is as part of a testbed for performance testing various kinds of network appliances. hmm, Well, so, forgive my bluntness, in a nutshell, there is no in-kernel

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Thomas Hurst wrote: * Dag-Erling Smorgrav ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hiten Pandya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? God forbid! Lots of hack value, sure, but not something you'd seriously consider for

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Miguel Mendez wrote: As others have pointed out, it may have big hacker value, but no one would use it for anything serious. AFAIK there's no such thing for FreeBSD, but one thing I remember, is that once the Linux kernel incorporated the zero copy netowrking code, userland HTTP servicing

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020217 14:41] wrote: Miguel Mendez wrote: As others have pointed out, it may have big hacker value, but no one would use it for anything serious. AFAIK there's no such thing for FreeBSD, but one thing I remember, is that once the Linux kernel incorporated

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Dominic Marks wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 07:15:10PM +0100, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? God forbid! Lots of hack value, sure, but not something you'd seriously consider for production use.

Multicast problem with sis interface?

2002-02-17 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi, Seems there might be some problem with multicast on sis interfaces. Specifically, netatalk doesn't work right on this box through the sis interface but it's fine through the RealTek. This is the onboard interface on a K7S5A m/b, dmesg follows. Ideas, anyone? TIA Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: sendfile() isn't zero-copy, it's just two-less-copies. zero-copy means zero copy-operations within memory To an MCSE, maybe. strange ... It's interesting that Dr. Scient Paal Halvorsen that recently finished his thesis about the subject 'Memory

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dominic Marks
Hey, On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 10:28:32PM +, Hiten Pandya wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 11:05:04AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: Yes, I wrote one. Yes, it's proprietary. One obvious example is as part of a testbed for performance testing various kinds of network appliances. hmm,

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Rogier R. Mulhuijzen
At 14:59 17-2-2002 +, Dominic Marks wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:33:43AM -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote: Is there any In-Kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD, like there is kHTTPD for Linux? Ive never seen or heard of one, at least not one available to the general public. Services should be

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: (and yes, even a Dr. Scient can be mistaken. Papers don't make you smart, you know - though I wouldn't expect someone who brags about being an MCSE and MCNE to understand that) Person A: How can you tell when someone is lying about having a

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Julian Elischer
the netgraph ng_ksocket is the basis of how it was done. On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Hiten Pandya wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 11:05:04AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: Yes, I wrote one. Yes, it's proprietary. One obvious example is as part of a testbed for performance testing various kinds

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Julian Elischer
there is a netgraph module in standard systems (ng_ksocket) that does the socket part but youstill need to write the http node.. John Polstra's one is proprietary. On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Rogier R. Mulhuijzen wrote: At 14:59 17-2-2002 +, Dominic Marks wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Julian Elischer
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Fourth, I think the reason he made the joke about MSCE's was that there are ways of doing true zero copy, using DMA directly between devices. There are a couple of people that have done this by, for example, rewriting the Tigon II firmware to

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: er.. So - if you certify within a product, you'll probably become dumber? Getting an MCSE or an MCNE doesn't necessarily make one dumb - though some might ask if one couldn't find anything better to do with one's (employer's) time and money.

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread David Greenman
Zero copy usually means zero unnecessary copies; but what someone thinks of as necessary is really based on their bias towards an existing implementation. zero copy these days has come to mean no copies that involve the CPU. In my experiance, raw memory bandwidth to DMA packets to/from main

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
David Greenman wrote: Zero copy usually means zero unnecessary copies; but what someone thinks of as necessary is really based on their bias towards an existing implementation. zero copy these days has come to mean no copies that involve the CPU. In my experiance, raw memory bandwidth

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread David Greenman
I'll agree with your experience. At this point, the limiting factor is PCI bandwith, at least for general purpose hardware. I haven't found PCI bandwidth to be a problem, either, at least when using gigabit ethernet NICs on 64bit and/or 66MHz PCI. When one writes an efficient HTTP server

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Luigi Rizzo
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 05:30:08PM -0800, David Greenman wrote: I'll agree with your experience. At this point, the limiting factor is PCI bandwith, at least for general purpose hardware. I haven't found PCI bandwidth to be a problem, either, at least when using gigabit ethernet NICs on

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Paul Marquis
In case anyone is interested, I've just submitted an update for the boa port: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35065 On Sunday 17 February 2002 01:26 pm, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well .. So let's turn the question upside-down,

Re: fork rate limit

2002-02-17 Thread Peter Wemm
Mike Silbersack wrote: 2. Limit the number of procs to an appropriate number. Previously, it was easy to set maxproc overly high by setting a large maxusers value. With this change, proc-related structures will only be able to consume about 1/2 of all system memory. Without this

Re: fork rate limit

2002-02-17 Thread Mike Silbersack
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: No. Root's overrides come *after* automagic settings, regardless of how well intentioned the settings are. If you are going to do this, it should be something along the lines of: maxproc = NPROC; if (maxproc automaxproc)

Re: Clearcase and FreeBSD

2002-02-17 Thread Danny J. Zerkel
On Sunday 17 February 2002 11:12, Robert Withrow wrote: Hi: I was wondering if there was anyone working on getting ClearCase working on FreeBSD? It seems that if we can get the Linux version of VmWare to run on FreeBSD it should be possible to get the Linux version of ClearCase to run on

Re: bug in ptcwrite()

2002-02-17 Thread Matthew Dillon
Hey, great find! I see two places in that file where ICANON is improperly tested against t_iflag instead of t_lflag. Have you done any further testing using the t_lflag field instead of t_iflag? Did it fix the crash you were getting?

file(1) returns amusing result

2002-02-17 Thread Dan Langille
As part of my FreshPorts fun, I decided that after fetching a file from cvsweb, I should make sure the fetch worked. I decided to do that via file(1) and inspect the output. I was testing for ASCII, but that appears to not be good enough. Now I just test for HTML and reverse the sense of the

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Luigi Rizzo wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 05:30:08PM -0800, David Greenman wrote: I'll agree with your experience. At this point, the limiting factor is PCI bandwith, at least for general purpose hardware. I haven't found PCI bandwidth to be a problem, either, at least when using

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Mon, 2002-02-18 at 18:12, Terry Lambert wrote: HP has 10Gbit copper parts today, and PCI-X is looking more like vaporware, and will only double 64x66 PCI performance, putting the cap at 8Gbit. What about HyperTransport? (Not that I know anything about it, but those nice AMD guys keep

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread David Greenman
Actually, I was talking about the Super Micro 2x64 bit PCI with two Tigon III cards, with TCP processing to completion at interrupt, the problem in doing fast forwarding of flows becomes the PCI bus bandwith, whose top end is 64x66 = Um, I thought we were talking about HTTP servers, not IP

Re: bug in ptcwrite()

2002-02-17 Thread Neelkanth Natu
Hi, I changed the NetBSD sources (which have the identical bug) and it now it works as it should. i.e. writes to the pseudo terminal block, don't overflow the real tty. I have not done any testing with FreeBSD. The bug is easy to reproduce and the fix is correspondingly easy to verify. I don't

Re: bug in ptcwrite()

2002-02-17 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :Hi, : :I changed the NetBSD sources (which have the identical bug) and it :now it works as it should. i.e. writes to the pseudo terminal block, :don't overflow the real tty. I have not done any testing with FreeBSD. : :The bug is easy to reproduce and the fix is correspondingly easy to

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Mon, 2002-02-18 at 18:12, Terry Lambert wrote: HP has 10Gbit copper parts today, and PCI-X is looking more like vaporware, and will only double 64x66 PCI performance, putting the cap at 8Gbit. What about HyperTransport? (Not that I know anything about it, but

Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD?

2002-02-17 Thread Terry Lambert
David Greenman wrote: Actually, I was talking about the Super Micro 2x64 bit PCI with two Tigon III cards, with TCP processing to completion at interrupt, the problem in doing fast forwarding of flows becomes the PCI bus bandwith, whose top end is 64x66 = Um, I thought we were talking