Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Yep. In 18+ years of being subscribed to various freebsd lists, Arnaud has the honor of being only the 2nd person to earn a killfile entry. He's now sitting next to Jesus Monroy, Jr. it is not a proud from you to talk about who you are blocking.

How to debug loader(8)

2012-08-02 Thread Sergey Listopad
Hi. I have as issue with booting FreeBSD on retro server. loader(8) stuck during the boot (more details http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?CAO_2TxM4_7YpPV9iTXeX6S7w4T1zqiZJa0ewe5KKiusdmNiVnw) How can I debug why loader(8) is stuck. What information may be helpful? Thanks. -- S.Listopad

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 8/1/2012 8:36 PM, Warner Losh wrote: I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being needlessly contrary and confrontational. Actually if you take a step back and look at what Arnaud is saying

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation for even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking anymore because year after year my requests were met with any of: indifference, hostility, shrugged

system wide major/minor page faults counters

2012-08-02 Thread Andrey Zonov
Hi, It would be useful to have system wide major and minor page faults counters. Attached patch makes this possible. Are there any objections to have it? -- Andrey Zonov Index: usr.bin/vmstat/vmstat.c === ---

Re: How to debug loader(8)

2012-08-02 Thread Andrey V. Elsukov
On 02.08.2012 15:30, Sergey Listopad wrote: Hi. I have as issue with booting FreeBSD on retro server. loader(8) stuck during the boot (more details http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?CAO_2TxM4_7YpPV9iTXeX6S7w4T1zqiZJa0ewe5KKiusdmNiVnw) How can I debug why loader(8) is stuck. What

Re: system wide major/minor page faults counters

2012-08-02 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 05:50:25PM +0400, Andrey Zonov wrote: Hi, It would be useful to have system wide major and minor page faults counters. Attached patch makes this possible. Are there any objections to have it? I thought that struct vmmeter was engraved into our ABI much deeper, but

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:20, Scott Long wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. Yes I do! (So there) He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where none of that is warranted. I used to run the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Scott Long
On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where none of that is warranted. I used to run the devsummits, and we did tele-conference lines for remote people to

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Scott Long wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where none of that is warranted. I used to run the devsummits, and we did

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:54, David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation for even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking anymore because year after year my requests were met with

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:44, Garrett Cooper wrote: The Watson/Losh connection worked really well in BSDCan 2010 :). I wasn't going to mention that, since I didn't want to tell tales out of school. But the fact that remote participation actually was provided for the right people, even though I was told

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If I missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't tell people about isn't really any better than not providing it at all. It's not widely advertised, because

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:13, David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If I missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't tell people about isn't really any better than not providing it

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:34, Doug Barton wrote: BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. Sorry, this agenda makes it easier to see the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 18:28, Doug Barton wrote: Welcome to the 21st Century. :) There are widely available audio and video conferencing solutions that easily scale into the thousands of users, at minimal cost. Yes, It takes effort. I get that. I've been part of the effort to provide remote

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Warner Losh
On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Doug Barton wrote: Those all sound like nice steps forward, thank you for pointing them out. Nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong in this area. What would be nice I think would be if these steps were formalized, and shared more openly. Having

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Davide Italiano
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Arnaud Lacombe lacom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Attilio Rao atti...@freebsd.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe lacom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao atti...@freebsd.org

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Gary Palmer
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 09:46:42AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: but there is certainly no active attempt to exclude people who can't attend. ... and here is where I need to push back. No active attempt to exclude people is not the same thing as actively encouraging remote participation. It's

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:30:16 am Doug Barton wrote: On 8/1/2012 8:36 PM, Warner Losh wrote: I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being needlessly contrary and confrontational. Actually if you take a step back and look at what Arnaud is saying

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:37, David Chisnall wrote: Thank you for volunteering to organise this. It's good to see people with both the motivation and experience required to do something well actively contributing to the project. Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:40, Warner Losh wrote: One thing to remember about the IETF. There's many vendors that devote significant resources to the IETF. While I was at Cisco, for example, I know that we provided audio and video bridges to IEFT meetings to facilitate remote attendance at the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:39, John Baldwin wrote: I find this a bit ironic from you given that I've met you in person at USENIX ATC which is an order of magnitude more expensive than BSDCan (and in fact, one of the reasons the US-based BSDCon died and was effectively supplanted by BSDCan was that

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Doug Barton wrote: Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected core team member. FreeBSD is a volunteer project. Our DevSummits are not run by a commercial organisation, they are run by volunteers. I am not being paid to organise the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 11:12, David Chisnall wrote: FreeBSD is a volunteer project. Yeah, I get that. I've been around quite a bit longer than you have, in case you didn't notice. :) I understand what you're saying, it's going to take work to change this mindset, and to provide these resources. If you

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
Thank you for your thoughtful reply, On 2 Aug 2012, at 19:33, Doug Barton wrote: However, my point is that in spite of the fact that it's non-trivial, the mindset on this topic needs to change if the dev summits are going to continue to be significant focii of both work being done and

FreeBSD ZFS source

2012-08-02 Thread Fredrik
Hello, Excuse me for this newb question but exactly where are the current ZFS files located? I have been looking at the CVS on freebsd.org under /src/contrib/opensolaris/ but that does not seem to be the current ones. Is this correct? Regards___

Re: FreeBSD ZFS source

2012-08-02 Thread Chris Nehren
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 22:48:50 +0200 , Fredrik wrote: Hello, Excuse me for this newb question but exactly where are the current ZFS files located? I have been looking at the CVS on freebsd.org under /src/contrib/opensolaris/ but that does not seem to be the current ones. Is this correct?

Re: FreeBSD ZFS source

2012-08-02 Thread Oliver Pinter
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/common/ http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/lib/ On 8/2/12, Fredrik starkbe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Excuse me for this newb question but exactly where are the current ZFS files located? I have been

Re: How to diagnose system freezes?

2012-08-02 Thread Dieter BSD
Yuri writes: One of my 9.1-BETA1 systems periodically freezes. If sound was playing, it would usually cycle with a very short period. And system stops being sensitive to keyboard/mouse. Also ping of this system doesn't get a response. So the sound continues, on and off, while everything else

Re: How to diagnose system freezes?

2012-08-02 Thread Adrian Chadd
the cycle over a short period may not be the driver writing the same crap to the card. I've seen similar failure modes in windows where during playback, if the system hangs for whatever reason, the card plays the last sample over and over in a loop. Adrian

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 8/2/12 9:53 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On 08/02/2012 09:44, Garrett Cooper wrote: The Watson/Losh connection worked really well in BSDCan 2010 :). I wasn't going to mention that, since I didn't want to tell tales out of school. But the fact that remote participation actually was provided for

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 8/2/12 9:53 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On 08/02/2012 09:44, Garrett Cooper wrote: The Watson/Losh connection worked really well in BSDCan 2010 :). I wasn't going to mention that, since I didn't want to tell tales out