Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-04 Thread Justin Muniz
I wish you the best of luck. Thank you very much, Fernando! I'm also happy to see you will use packagekit as a frontend. No need to reinvent the wheel. It is a great utility. I have learned a lot while studying it. As a side note, I have made much progress porting PackageKit-0.8.8. It

GSoC proposal review

2013-05-03 Thread Rushil Paul
Hi, Can somebody review my proposal here and see if it can be further improved? http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/rushilpaul/12001 -- Regards, Rushil ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-03 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_muniz/1 I appreciate you taking the time to read this email. Happy coding everyone. Justin Muniz ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman

Re: My GSOC proposal for review

2013-05-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar
point c. is what i would like the most and is really the most important for NON embedded system. others for embedded ones. d. won't really cut much f. may not save much but slow things down i wish you a success. On Thu, 2 May 2013, Amit Rawat wrote: Hi, I am attaching my gsoc proposal

GSoC project proposal for review (Port GlusterFS to FreeBSD)

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Ma
Hi all, I'm planning to port GlusterFS as a GSoC project this year. And you can find the more information of the proposal here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/mikemandarine/26018 Any suggestions or comments are more than welcome. I'm looking forward to connect

Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar
. Any advice could help me (or others) develop future proposals, so I hope to hear from people even after the deadline. My proposal can be read at the following address: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_muniz/1 I appreciate you taking the time to read

Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-03 Thread Teske, Devin
can be read at the following address: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_muniz/1 I appreciate you taking the time to read this email. Happy coding everyone. Justin Muniz ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.orgmailto:freebsd

Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-03 Thread Kris Moore
at the following address: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_muniz/1 I appreciate you taking the time to read this email. Happy coding everyone. Justin Muniz ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http

Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-03 Thread Matt Olander
to hear from people even after the deadline. My proposal can be read at the following address: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_muniz/1 I appreciate you taking the time to read this email. Happy coding everyone. Great proposal, Justin! I look forward

Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-03 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote: Great proposal, Justin! I look forward to seeing your work ;) Cheers, -matt Thank you very much for your support, Matt! As soon as I start committing code, I will share a link to my repository on this mailing-list.

Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review

2013-05-03 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
El 03/05/2013 20:00, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu escribió: On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote: Great proposal, Justin! I look forward to seeing your work ;) Cheers, -matt Thank you very much for your support, Matt! As soon as I

Re: My GSOC proposal for review

2013-05-02 Thread Amit Rawat
Hi, Here is some data I collected https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3ff3x34iq4cm2lu/RDFmXuO2xj. Thanks, Amit Rawat On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Amit Rawat aami...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am attaching my gsoc proposal with this mail for review. If any body want any extra thing in it they can

[Looking for GSoC mentor] Port NiLFS to FreeBSD

2013-05-01 Thread Takuya ASADA
Hi, My friend has interest to apply GSoC'13 with Port NiLFS to FreeBSD, witch is on IdeasPage(not tagged as GSoC though). https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Port_NiLFS_to_FreeBSD There's no technical contact on the page, who can be a mentor of the project? Or, it's not goot project for GSoC

Re: Port GlusterFS as a GSoC project

2013-04-27 Thread Marco Steinbach
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Mike Ma wrote: Hi there, I'm now a student and trying to get involved in GSoC this year. I found the proposal of about GlusterFS in the idea list wiki page very interesting to me, possibly it will be porting from NetBSD implementation. As I'm quite distant from idea owner

Port GlusterFS as a GSoC 2013 project

2013-04-26 Thread Mike Ma
Hi there, I'm now a student and trying to get involved in GSoC this year. I found the proposal of about GlusterFS in the idea list wiki page very interesting to me, possibly it will be porting from NetBSD implementation. As I'm quite distant from idea owner so there's a big time difference, he

Port GlusterFS as a GSoC project

2013-04-26 Thread Mike Ma
Hi there, I'm now a student and trying to get involved in GSoC this year. I found the proposal of about GlusterFS in the idea list wiki page very interesting to me, possibly it will be porting from NetBSD implementation. As I'm quite distant from idea owner, he also suggested me to try to find

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-25 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Freddie Cash on Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:32:11AM -0700: Mostly off-topic for this thread, but improving the boot process to auto-detect hardware and auto-load kernel modules would be really nice. That way, GENERIC would be very small, with just the basic frameworks required (CAM,

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-25 Thread Adrian Chadd
GSoC project. Adrian ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-25 Thread Lars Engels
, right now. What we're missing is a way to load them at boot time by the bootloader. Well, enough of them to bring up the system so the rest can be autoloaded as needed. _That_ whole mess would be a great GSoC project. +1 pgpuBzlZI_kIu.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-25 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 25 April 2013 01:38, Lars Engels l...@freebsd.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:25:46AM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: .. or we could just bite the bullet and split GENERIC into GENERIC (which would have modules for everything) and GENERIC_NOMODULES. Then just populate a default module

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-25 Thread Ollivier Robert
to load them at boot time by the bootloader. Well, enough of them to bring up the system so the rest can be autoloaded as needed. _That_ whole mess would be a great GSoC project. I completely agree. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- robe...@keltia.net In memoriam to Ondine

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-25 Thread Lars Engels
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:57:50AM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: On 25 April 2013 01:38, Lars Engels l...@freebsd.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:25:46AM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: .. or we could just bite the bullet and split GENERIC into GENERIC (which would have modules for

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-25 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 25 April 2013 02:24, Lars Engels l...@freebsd.org wrote: Sure, but the rc.conf solution is the lower hanging fruit. :) No it's not; think about it. You need to have a few modules loaded in order to boot. * usb * maybe atkbd * da/scsi * ata / scsi block device drivers * perhaps network *

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Chris Rees
On 24 Apr 2013 05:36, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: Justin I say stick to FreeBSD-update . My reason is, as Pkgng becomes more popular , a front end for ports will be less useful as binary packages become more popular . Kports is a monster program , you should set a

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
El 24/04/2013 13:45, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com escribió: On 24 Apr 2013 05:36, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: Justin I say stick to FreeBSD-update . My reason is, as Pkgng becomes more popular , a front end for ports will be less useful as binary packages

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Lars Engels
Am 24.04.2013 13:44, schrieb Chris Rees: On 24 Apr 2013 05:36, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: Justin I say stick to FreeBSD-update . My reason is, as Pkgng becomes more popular , a front end for ports will be less useful as binary packages become more popular . Kports

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
During some tests with cut down kernels one can easily make unbuildable kernel, for example include option A, while omit hiddenly required B. If there could be framework at least with deps tracking/checking, what could be good for begin. Both for configuring, and code clean up. If this will come

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Tony Li
On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote: It _is_ easy. But having a nice graphical tool which draws a pretty table of GENERIC and NOTES together with useful information about the possible options and devices would be a handy thing to have IMHO. Let's make FreeBSD

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote: Am 24.04.2013 13:44, schrieb Chris Rees: Our kernel is actually very easy to configure, so I'm not convinced that it's needed; you may be thinking of Linux's menuconfig, but I think that is because of the complexity.

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
Our kernel is actually very easy to configure, so I'm not convinced that it's needed; you may be thinking of Linux's menuconfig, but I think that is because of the complexity. Chris While configuring the kernel may be trivial to someone who understands the process and their systems needs,

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Freddie Cash
, but general use and hardware changes wouldn't. Most likely not a GSoC project. But it's still a nice dream. :) -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Chris Rees
On 24 April 2013 18:30, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: Our kernel is actually very easy to configure, so I'm not convinced that it's needed; you may be thinking of Linux's menuconfig, but I think that is because of the complexity. Chris While configuring the kernel may

Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
I agree. Also, the kind of people who compile their kernels probably feel more comfortable in console mode :) The frontend for pkgng and freebsd-update might have a bigger user base. Hello Fernando, thank you for pointing me towards kports earlier. I appreciate your help. It is starting

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
from modules. That would remove almost all requirements to compile a custom kernel in the first place. :) Granted, changing options in the kernel would require recompilation, but general use and hardware changes wouldn't. Most likely not a GSoC project. But it's still a nice dream

Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
I think the interface to pkgng and freebsd-update are still interesting; at least more worthwhile than the kernel configuration one. I think the pkgng one has the edge, since packages are updated far more often than base, and it's easier to track base. Now you are at a stage where you

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: I think the interface to pkgng and freebsd-update are still interesting; at least more worthwhile than the kernel configuration one. I think the pkgng one has the edge, since packages are updated far

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
It _is_ easy. But having a nice graphical tool which draws a pretty table of GENERIC and NOTES together with useful information about the possible options and devices would be a handy thing to have IMHO. Let's make FreeBSD userfriendly :-) I agree completely, hopefully we can make that

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
During some tests with cut down kernels one can easily make unbuildable kernel, for example include option A, while omit hiddenly required B. If there could be framework at least with deps tracking/checking, what could be good for begin. Both for configuring, and code clean up. If this will

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
and deployment clean and easy? Regards, Tony What you say makes a lot of sense. I am feeling confident that the kernel GUI should be a lower priority, and not used for the GSoC proposal. Thank you for your time. Justin Muniz ___ freebsd-hackers

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Teske, Devin
On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edumailto:justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: I think the interface to pkgng and freebsd-update are still interesting; at least more worthwhile than the kernel configuration

Re: Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:03:56PM -0400, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: I think the interface to pkgng and freebsd-update are still interesting; at least more worthwhile than the kernel configuration one. I think the pkgng one has the edge, since packages are updated far more often than

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Teske, Devin
On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Teske, Devin wrote: On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edumailto:justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: I think the interface to pkgng and freebsd-update are still interesting; at

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Teske, Devin
On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:03:56PM -0400, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: I think the interface to pkgng and freebsd-update are still interesting; at least more worthwhile than the kernel configuration one. I think the pkgng one has the

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
You'll probably want to get in touch with the PC-BSD folks. As they are moving to pkgng for everything, they are updating their Python-based GUIs to work with it. Might be a possibility to work together, or to build off what they have, or to get ideas/inspiration for a more general tool. I

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
El 24/04/2013 21:18, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com escribió: On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:03:56PM -0400, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: I think the interface to pkgng and freebsd-update are still interesting; at least more

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-24 Thread Teske, Devin
On Apr 24, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote: El 24/04/2013 21:18, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.commailto:devin.te...@fisglobal.com escribió: On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:03:56PM -0400, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: I

Re: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-23 Thread Mark Saad
On Apr 21, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: Hello everyone once again, I decided to split this from my previous thread because the nature of my questions has changed. I benefited from the last thread, and I am grateful to those who responded to it.

Fwd: GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-23 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
Justin I say stick to FreeBSD-update . My reason is, as Pkgng becomes more popular , a front end for ports will be less useful as binary packages become more popular . Kports is a monster program , you should set a reasonable goal ,and target dates; which may be hard with a cleanup project

GSOC: Qt front-ends

2013-04-21 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
Hello everyone once again, I decided to split this from my previous thread because the nature of my questions has changed. I benefited from the last thread, and I am grateful to those who responded to it. For me Google Summer of Code is a big opportunity, and my interest in

GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
I am excited for this year's Google Summer of Code, and I have a project in mind that I am working to propose. I am a CS major and have experience with Qt, C++ and shell scripting. I have been developing on FreeBSD for several years, and I am looking to tackle developing a new Qt

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Chris Rees
On 14 April 2013 07:11, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: I am excited for this year's Google Summer of Code, and I have a project in mind that I am working to propose. I am a CS major and have experience with Qt, C++ and shell scripting. I have been developing on

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Jilles Tjoelker
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 02:11:44AM -0400, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: I am excited for this year's Google Summer of Code, and I have a project in mind that I am working to propose. I am a CS major and have experience with Qt, C++ and shell scripting. I have been developing on FreeBSD

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I am a CS major and have experience with Qt, C++ and shell scripting. I have been developing on FreeBSD for several years, and I am looking to tackle developing a new Qt front-end for the freebsd-update command. spend your time for something more useful :)

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
Thank you for your advice! I have already sent an email to Colin, and I did indeed take the idea from that page. Justin Muniz On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Chris Rees cr...@freebsd.org wrote: On 14 April 2013 07:11, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: I am excited for

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Eitan Adler
On 14 April 2013 11:42, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: Thank you for your advice! I have already sent an email to Colin, and I did indeed take the idea from that page. I think GUI front ends to freebsd-update, portsnap, or pkgng would all be useful. One thing I would look

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
I think GUI front ends to freebsd-update, portsnap, or pkgng would all be useful. One thing I would look into though, is what PC-BSD offers. They may already have similar things. Very interesting, I am checking out the source for PC-BSD's updater to study it. Portsnap and pkgng seem like

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: I think GUI front ends to freebsd-update, portsnap, or pkgng would all be useful. One thing I would look into though, is what PC-BSD offers. They may already have similar things. Very interesting, I am

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Eitan Adler
On 14 April 2013 12:15, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: I have to also ask, what would a GUI offer that the command line tools do not offer at the moment? A GUI. -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On 14 April 2013 12:15, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: I have to also ask, what would a GUI offer that the command line tools do not offer at the moment? A GUI. That's kind of given :D But does FreeBSD lack

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On 14 April 2013 12:15, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote: I have to also ask, what would a GUI offer that the command line tools do not

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
Please don't mix the two, they are related but their usages do not really overlap. portsnap(8) only deals with keeping the ports(7) tree and the /usr/ports/INDEX file up to date. PKGNG (like the old pkg_* tools) is mostly concerned with registering built ports as packages or installing

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Justin Edward Muniz
It seems we already have something similar in the ports[1] collection. There is also a newer version[2] using Qt4 but it seems more limited. It might be worth a look at those first. [1] ports-mgmt/kports [2] ports-mgmt/kports-qt4 Yes, I just found those GUI programs myself. No sense

Re: GSOC: Qt front-end for freebsd-update

2013-04-14 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Justin Edward Muniz justin.mu...@maine.edu wrote: It seems we already have something similar in the ports[1] collection. There is also a newer version[2] using Qt4 but it seems more limited. It might be worth a look at those first. [1] ports-mgmt/kports [2]

GSOC and Contribution to open source.

2013-04-14 Thread santosh hosamani
Hi , I am interested in participating for GSOC -2013 . I am interested in following ideas CPU online/offline project BHyVe BIOS emulation to boot legacy systems I have two years of work exp in linux kernel device driver,C now I have selected master thesis as virtualization so I would

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-12 Thread Lars Engels
Am 10.04.2013 15:27, schrieb Matthew Jacob: On 4/9/2013 11:53 PM, Daniel Braniss wrote: this host can run x11 apps! so 'Huge' is a relative matter, my first PDP11/45 has 64K :-) danny Bah. Real old farts ran munix on a 32k PDP 11/03- shell and apps in the low 16k and the kernel in the upper.

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-11 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2013-Apr-09 11:05:56 -0700, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: You have to look at the in-memory sizes, not the on-disk sizes. Or, even better, look at the difference between installed physical RAM and how much RAM is available to userland processes. -- Peter Jeremy pgpOHqKqYTU0M.pgp

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel Braniss
happy that FreeBSD is among the selected organization. I am a third year student interested to work in the field of embedded system. I applied last year and the title of my project was Kernel Size why only in embedded system. smaller programs are always good :) And yes FreeBSD kernel

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-10 Thread Matthew Jacob
On 4/9/2013 11:53 PM, Daniel Braniss wrote: this host can run x11 apps! so 'Huge' is a relative matter, my first PDP11/45 has 64K :-) danny Bah. Real old farts ran munix on a 32k PDP 11/03- shell and apps in the low 16k and the kernel in the upper. Or was it the other way around? At Tektronix,

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Anderson
On Tuesday, 9 April 2013 at 22:18, Joshua Isom wrote: Would clang's LTO help for size? I know work's starting on the bsd elftools ld, but I doubt it has any LTO support yet. Running -Os on the kernel as a whole instead of object files could probably help a lot also. I might try to set it up

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-10 Thread Joshua Isom
On 4/10/2013 9:43 AM, Jonathan Anderson wrote: The last I heard, LTO on the kernel required something like 16 GB of RAM and produced a not-quite-working image. Jon I upgraded my system with 32Gb for a reason. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-10 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 10 April 2013 13:06, Joshua Isom jri...@gmail.com wrote: I upgraded my system with 32Gb for a reason. Yes, yes you did. TO force me to fix ath(4) and busdma. ;-) Adrian ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 4/8/13 6:42 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: Well, it's relatively easy to experience what it's like. No it's not. We all have jobs that demand different things from us. Taking the time to guess at the problem, only to be told you're doing it wrong by someone actually in the position to build

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
happy that FreeBSD is among the selected organization. I am a third year student interested to work in the field of embedded system. I applied last year and the title of my project was Kernel Size why only in embedded system. smaller programs are always good :) And yes FreeBSD kernel is huge.

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 4/9/13 10:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: happy that FreeBSD is among the selected organization. I am a third year student interested to work in the field of embedded system. I applied last year and the title of my project was Kernel Size why only in embedded system. smaller programs are

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
And yes FreeBSD kernel is huge. doesn't really matter with 1GB or more RAM but yes - it is huge even relative to linux. Ah, any insight as to why? my custom compiled kernel: -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8791402 6 kwi 22:08 /boot//kernel/kernel only with features i need. linux is AFAIK like

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: And yes FreeBSD kernel is huge. doesn't really matter with 1GB or more RAM but yes - it is huge even relative to linux. Ah, any insight as to why? my custom compiled kernel: -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Freddie Cash
You have to look at the in-memory sizes, not the on-disk sizes. Linux kernels are very barebones when it comes to what is compiled directly into the kernel image on disk. Everything else is loaded from modules at boot time. Especially if using distro-provided kernels. They even use ram disks /

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Kimmo. You wrote 9 апреля 2013 г., 21:59:37: KP Your comparison is far from accurate, include the memory taken by KP loaded kernel modules on both systems and then you might get some KP proper numbers. Linux is known to _work_ on SOHO MIPS boxes, with 4MiB of flash and 16MiB of RAM. You

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Edward Tomasz Napierała
In order to optimize - in this case for size - we need a way to measure what should we focus on, and it looks like we don't have it yet. Would it be possible to write a tool - e.g. by instrumenting LLVM - that would make it possible to calculate, for every function in the call graph, the amount

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 9 April 2013 11:47, Edward Tomasz Napierała tr...@freebsd.org wrote: In order to optimize - in this case for size - we need a way to measure what should we focus on, and it looks like we don't have it yet. We have a good starting point. We can look at the code/data/bss from each .o file

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-09 Thread Joshua Isom
On 4/9/2013 1:47 PM, Edward Tomasz Napierała wrote: In order to optimize - in this case for size - we need a way to measure what should we focus on, and it looks like we don't have it yet. Would it be possible to write a tool - e.g. by instrumenting LLVM - that would make it possible to

GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Amit Rawat
GSOC posted the list of selected organization for GSOC 2013 and I am highly happy that FreeBSD is among the selected organization. I am a third year student interested to work in the field of embedded system. I applied last year and the title of my project was Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Jilles Tjoelker
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 08:28:04PM +, Amit Rawat wrote: GSOC posted the list of selected organization for GSOC 2013 and I am highly happy that FreeBSD is among the selected organization. I am a third year student interested to work in the field of embedded system. I applied last year

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi, Your idea is interesting, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem - there's just too much code. :( Adrian ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:28:04 + Amit Rawat aami...@gmail.com wrote: GSOC posted the list of selected organization for GSOC 2013 and I am highly happy that FreeBSD is among the selected organization. I am a third year student interested to work in the field of embedded system. I

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 4/8/13 4:10 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: Hi, Your idea is interesting, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem - there's just too much code. :( If you were to API'ify some of the more basic things such as fget, fdrop, filedesc stuff you could potentially swap out the systems for simpler

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
Well, it's relatively easy to experience what it's like. Reboot your machine with 32mb. Try to do things like bring up network interfaces. Snark when stupid stuff occurs, like you can't allocate enough mbufs for the driver RX path _and_ run the ifconfig command to completion to bring said

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Kevin Day
On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Alfred Perlstein bri...@mu.org wrote: However, until a bunch of embedded folks come forward and state what they are really willing to sacrifice, then we won't really have anything to go on, and it will be guessing at what will work for a space that not all of us

Re: GSOC 2013 project Kernel Size Reduction for Embedded System

2013-04-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 8 April 2013 19:28, Kevin Day toa...@dragondata.com wrote: Ages ago we had to make things work in 16 or 32MB of total system memory on i386. For the most part, disabling every compiled-in option/driver we didn't need was 90% of the effort. Which options/drivers is going to be totally

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-25 Thread Dieter BSD
1) tar up files 2) encrypt tarball 3) copy encrypted tarball with rcp, ftp, uucp, ... ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to

[ GSOC ] Project: Parallelization in the ports collection

2012-05-22 Thread Alexander Pronin
Hello Community. My name is Alexander Pronin. I am a GSOC student at The FreeBSD Project. My project is Parallelization in the ports collection and pkgng utility I have created wiki page where I described problems that I have to solve and approaches to solving this problems. ( http

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-20 Thread Ilya Bakulin
, but I doubt that it's worth wasting GSoC time for that. Most people use curl for that just because Google tells them to. On the other hand, SSH is available in FreeBSD system in 99% of use cases, and it would be quite easy to setup secure file transfer. The final decision should however be made

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-19 Thread Mel Flynn
On 19-5-2012 5:54, Tim Kientzle wrote: On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Mel Flynn wrote: On 17-5-2012 14:53, Mateusz Guzik wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:37:44PM +0300, tza...@it.teithe.gr wrote: Nice. What about curl over the HTTPS protocol? curl would be ok, except it's not in the

Re: GSoC Project: EFI on amd64/i386

2012-05-18 Thread Andrey V. Elsukov
On 17.05.2012 17:28, Eric McCorkle wrote: As i see we already have sys/boot/efi/libefi/efipart.c that uses EFI BLOCK_IO_PROTOCOL to make part devsw. EFI BLOCK_IO_PROTOCOL provides access to each disk and partition. AFAIK it supports only GPT and MBR+EBR, so there might be some problems with

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Mel Flynn
On 17-5-2012 14:53, Mateusz Guzik wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:37:44PM +0300, tza...@it.teithe.gr wrote: Nice. What about curl over the HTTPS protocol? curl would be ok, except it's not in the base system. For this reason, it's probably best to use tar(1) to package up multiple files

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Aaron Zauner
hi, first of; grats on getting the project. very interesting. * Can you recommend a secure way of sending a report from a FreeBSD system to the Central Collector machine? i don't know if the use of a gnu tool would conflict with FreeBSD politics but you could use tar(1) or an equivalent and

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-18 Thread Tim Kientzle
On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Mel Flynn wrote: On 17-5-2012 14:53, Mateusz Guzik wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:37:44PM +0300, tza...@it.teithe.gr wrote: Nice. What about curl over the HTTPS protocol? curl would be ok, except it's not in the base system. For this reason, it's

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Jeremie Le Hen
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:45:24PM +0300, tza...@it.teithe.gr wrote: In this case Apache is a good choice. I would however recommend using www/nginx and PHP in FastCGI mode (FPM option in lang/php5 port). This is a preffered setup for almost all Russian highloaded websites. At the

Re: GSoC Project: Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System - Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mateusz Guzik
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:37:44PM +0300, tza...@it.teithe.gr wrote: Quoting Mateusz Guzik mjgu...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:30:20AM +0300, tza...@it.teithe.gr wrote: Hello Community, I have the project Automated Kernel Crash Reporting System for this GSoC and I would like

Re: GSoC Project: EFI on amd64/i386

2012-05-17 Thread Eric McCorkle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/16/12 01:32, Andrey V. Elsukov wrote: As i see we already have sys/boot/efi/libefi/efipart.c that uses EFI BLOCK_IO_PROTOCOL to make part devsw. EFI BLOCK_IO_PROTOCOL provides access to each disk and partition. AFAIK it supports only GPT

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