Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-03 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Denis Troshin wrote this message on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 16:58 +0700: Sorry for all the responses that don't directly answer your question, but you did ask it in a rather tactless way by saying it's a mess w/o understanding the reasoning behind it. Almost every package I install requires a

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:38:34PM -0700, Greg Shenaut wrote: Has it ever been suggested to create one or more dependencies ports (or more to the point, packages)? I think it might be pretty useful to have something like that so that all of the prerequisites can be installed at once. Maybe I'm

RE: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Sten Daniel Sørsdal
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:38:34PM -0700, Greg Shenaut wrote: Has it ever been suggested to create one or more dependencies ports (or more to the point, packages)? I think it might be pretty useful to have something like that so that all of the prerequisites can be installed at once.

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Igor Pokrovsky
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:07:34PM +0200, Sten Daniel S?rsdal wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:38:34PM -0700, Greg Shenaut wrote: Has it ever been suggested to create one or more dependencies ports (or more to the point, packages)? I think it might be pretty useful to have something

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:07:34PM +0200, Sten Daniel S?rsdal wrote: all dependencies are as packages (in my case, i have several light-weight servers/routers that have no gcc/make capabilities). On things without gcc/make perhaps using pkg_add with binary packages would

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:07:34PM +0200, Sten Daniel S?rsdal wrote: Otherwise one needs to manually track dependencies (not a terribly difficult job) and make those as packages, and keep doing this until all dependencies are as packages (in my case, i have several light-weight

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Marcin Dalecki
Peter Jeremy wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:38:34PM -0700, Greg Shenaut wrote: Has it ever been suggested to create one or more dependencies ports (or more to the point, packages)? I think it might be pretty useful to have something like that so that all of the prerequisites can be installed

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 02), Marcin Dalecki said: What I hate somehow is the proliferation of scripting plugin interfaces which are optional in the src bunch but are not opt-in switches in the actual packages. One example can be vim sucking in perl ruby python and what a not. Esp. annoying is

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Wes Peters
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 04:07, Sten Daniel Sørsdal wrote: On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:38:34PM -0700, Greg Shenaut wrote: Has it ever been suggested to create one or more dependencies ports (or more to the point, packages)? I think it might be pretty useful to have something like that

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 11:53:51AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: portinstall -r -p pkgname will build a package for pkgname and all of it's dependencies. So will 'make package-recursive', as already suggested :-) Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Martin Brecher
First off, let me say that FreeBSD is one of the cleanest systems out there as the developers try to remove bigger packages from the base system instead of adding more bloat every release. One example would be the removal of perl from the base distribution in 5.x. As for perl and the other

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Igor Pokrovsky
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 04:58:43PM +0700, Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. What you propose? For example, I don't need Perl or

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Mario Freitas
On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 10:58, Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Michael W. Oliver
+--- On Monday, September 01, 2003 10:42, | Mario Freitas proclaimed: | | PS: Do you really need to compare windows HUGE UGLY and sluggish | kernel with FreeBSD's? | PS2:The monster has got a name, and it's not really a monster, is a | daemon, it's Chuck ehehe | It isn't Chuck, though this myth

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Mario Freitas
On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 15:23, Michael W. Oliver wrote: +--- On Monday, September 01, 2003 10:42, | Mario Freitas proclaimed: | | PS: Do you really need to compare windows HUGE UGLY and sluggish | kernel with FreeBSD's? | PS2:The monster has got a name, and it's not really a monster, is a |

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Greg Shenaut
In nuntio [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Dillon divulgat: I break as many depedencies as I possibly can out of a particular piece of software into separate distribution packages with their own dependency chains. The FreeBSD ports/packages system just happens to already do this to a high degree, because

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Ricardo Mesquita
Greg Shenaut wrote: In nuntio [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Dillon divulgat: I break as many depedencies as I possibly can out of a particular piece of software into separate distribution packages with their own dependency chains. The FreeBSD ports/packages system just happens to already do this to a

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Has it ever been suggested to create one or more dependencies ports (or more to the point, packages)? I think it might be pretty useful to have something like that so that all of the prerequisites can be installed at once. /usr/ports/misc/instant-workstation ? Well, in theory:

Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Denis Troshin
Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I install require them. Does exist a programming under unix

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Matthew Graybosch
On 16:58 Mon 01 Sep , Denis Troshin wrote: P.S. Under Windows it is possible to write not bad applications which depend just on libraries (KERNEL32, USER32, GDI32). And these libs exist on every base system!!! Is it possible in unix? Before I thought that unix programs very

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 01), Denis Troshin said: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I install

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Chris Dillon
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. At least the dependencies are taken care of for you automatically in FreeBSD, unlike some

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I install require them.

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Terry Lambert
Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. You're right. The authors of the offending software packages should not do that. It's going to