Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-17 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Matt Dillon([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.13 15:27:08 +: Also, do performance testing with dynamic-linked verses static-linked binaries. Static-linked binaries may look larger, but they have a much lower dirty-page overhead then the dynamically linked equivalent. It depends

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-14 Thread David Gilbert
Ian == Ian Dowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ian In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Ian Gilbert write s: Is it not possible (or has nobody done it) to swap with the current diskless boot? Ian The patch (against RELENG_4) is below; I wonder should this just Ian be committed? We have certainly

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-13 Thread Paul Robinson
On Jul 13, David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What? You don't like TCL? Well then, be finished with your effort before the libh guys do. Good call. ;-) To me, the language choice is immaterial on the face of it. The value of the conversation was based upon some of the feature set that

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-13 Thread Nik Clayton
Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines installed in about an hour: http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ Or http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe/index.html N -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/

[hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-13 Thread David Gilbert
Thierry == Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thierry Alfred Perlstein wrote: Thierry [SNIP] http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ Thierry first : a big thank you for your paper : I finally could use Thierry PXE for diskless booting (not install, just running a full, Thierry

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-13 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Nik Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010713 05:51] wrote: Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines installed in about an hour: http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ Or http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe/index.html Whoa leet!

Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread David Gilbert
Thierry == Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thierry David Gilbert wrote: Thierry [SNIP] I'm still having trouble with diskless operation. If I specify the swap option in DHCP, the pxeboot chokes on it. If I don't specify the swap there, things boot, but I have no swap. There

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread Matt Dillon
:Thierry I don't know : my application was embedded and used much :Thierry less than the 128MBytes installed in the machines (thus no :Thierry swap!) : :I'm currently running in this configuration ... and have noticed that :the system will allow clean pages (largely loaded from the :executable's

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread David Gilbert
Matt == Matt Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt Right, you only need swap to be able to flush dirty pages. Matt Clean code (and even clean data) pages are simply dropped and Matt reloaded from the disk image later on if needed again. With Matt careful program management you can run

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread Matt Dillon
: :Is it not possible (or has nobody done it) to swap with the current :diskless boot? Of all people, I would have expected Matt to be able :to help :). Sure you can swap. I haven't diskless-booted a box in a few months so someone might have broken something, but I have definitely

Re: Swapping in diskless ? (was :Re: [hackers] Re: getting rid of sysinstall)

2001-07-13 Thread Ian Dowse
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Gilbert write s: Is it not possible (or has nobody done it) to swap with the current diskless boot? I do remember some problem with PXE and swap, but I forget the details or if it was resolved. The diskless setup that we have locally uses an MFS root image in

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Wed 2001-07-11 (19:02), Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: Terry Lambert([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.09 13:29:23 +: [...] There are too many steps. X11 is a distribution set, instead of a package. Etc. (I could go on forever). ...then let's wrap up a concept of a interpreter

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Paul Robinson
On Jul 11, Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some rough and spontaneuos ideas: - stripped down python interpreter runs as init Wow. If you think about it, that's quite a big departure from where FBSD is at the moment (or I'm missing the point). You might find a lot more people

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Paul Robinson([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.12 15:44:32 +: On Jul 11, Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some rough and spontaneuos ideas: - stripped down python interpreter runs as init Wow. If you think about it, that's quite a big departure from where FBSD is at the

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Paul Robinson
On Jul 12, Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perl might be superior in features at first glance but it has serious deficiencies in the resulting code style, due to it's nature it not simply enables programmers to do bad things[tm] but almost enforces them to do so. A sloppy

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Nick Popoff
Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - every class has properties which can be preloaded (unattended install functionality from 'recorded' install session or manually generated setup) - - remote install dialog ui using ethernet as transport (yay!) would be a nice idea How about

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Nick Popoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010712 14:30] wrote: Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - every class has properties which can be preloaded (unattended install functionality from 'recorded' install session or manually generated setup) - - remote install dialog ui using

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Alfred Perlstein wrote: [SNIP] Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines installed in about an hour: http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ -- -Alfred Perlstein [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Ok, who wrote this damn function called '??'? And why do my programs

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010712 16:54] wrote: Alfred Perlstein wrote: [SNIP] Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines installed in about an hour: http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ -- -Alfred Perlstein [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Re: getting rid of sysinstall

2001-07-12 Thread Matt Dillon
:Actually, this is what I did for Google, we were able to have 40 machines :installed in about an hour: : :http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/ : :-- :-Alfred Perlstein [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I did something similar at BEST, though back then it was a NFS bootp boot floppy.

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 06:06:07PM +0100, Paul Robinson wrote: On Jul 12, Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perl might be superior in features at first glance but it has serious deficiencies in the resulting code style, due to it's nature it not simply enables programmers to do

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-11 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Terry Lambert([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.09 13:29:23 +: [...] There are too many steps. X11 is a distribution set, instead of a package. Etc. (I could go on forever). ...then let's wrap up a concept of a interpreter language driven installer. redhat does it in python since years, so