Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-25 Thread Victor Ivanov
Witness depositions, records, this sort of stuff. Don't try to dismiss laws as being senseless. They are still laws, and they will still be enforced against you if you step on the wrong toes, and whether you think they are senseless or not will not mean *a damn thing* to the people whose

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-24 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
-On [2221 08:00], Daniel C. Sobral ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, it was wrt to Playstation, Nintendo, Sega or something like that. M... I thinking it was probably wrt to SEGA, because there was also a trademark dispute related to a small string. :-) An american company tried to get a

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-23 Thread Victor Ivanov
Marco van de Voort wrote: [cut] The case centered on the fact that _copies_ of the disassembled object code had been made, to enable the reverse engineering. If I have the drivers and disassemble them "real-time" directly from the files (dlls, etc) and view the 'source' on the screen

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-23 Thread Marco van de Voort
Marco van de Voort wrote: [cut] [cut again] If I have the drivers and disassemble them "real-time" directly from the files (dlls, etc) and view the 'source' on the screen what is the difference between this and viewing the 'source' on the printer? and how can you recognise the exact

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-21 Thread Marco van de Voort
I've heard nothing about that. Was this done in relation to the whole controversy about the DVD decrypt software? No, it was wrt to Playstation, Nintendo, Sega or something like that. M... I thinking it was probably wrt to SEGA, because there was also a trademark dispute related

RE: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-21 Thread Koster, K.J.
Afaik the only way to circumvent this is, (and this is a wild guess, I'm not a lawyer) is if the r-e is done within an organisation. (e.g. GNU), and all users donate a penny to GNU to become a member. And members may use the driver. Does buying a FreeBSD cdrom count as becoming a

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-21 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Marco van de Voort wrote: They lost on a lower instance, but have just won on a higher instance under the merit of "fair use", since they had no legal alternative to obtain the specifications to the console (other than engaging in a contract deemed unacceptable). Unfortunately, the link

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Doug Rabson
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: hi * this might be a little offtopic... clueless mode i just messaged the guys from yamaha japan for specs on their pci audio chipsets to get some decent documentation to start torturing those ymf744 soundcards. no response. i mailed again.

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Luigi Rizzo
Me tooo... luigi i just messaged the guys from yamaha japan for specs on their pci audio ... please hit me with your suggestions, since i am starting to get very I have had more-or-less the same experience. I did get a response which completely misunderstood what I was asking and

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
-On [2220 14:14], Doug Rabson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: i just messaged the guys from yamaha japan for specs on their pci audio chipsets to get some decent documentation to start torturing those ymf744 soundcards. no response. i mailed

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
jeroen, could you give us some more details on that law, perhaps some pointers to documents - i could have our law department check that out /k Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 04:04:00PM +0100: -On [2220 14:14], Doug Rabson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun,

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: Well Doug, you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. And since you requested information from Yamaha and got none, you are now legally clean of action due to the law that you may disassemble/reverse engineer their drivers to obtain the

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Doug Rabson
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: Well Doug, you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. And since you requested information from Yamaha and got none, you are now legally clean of action due to the law that you may

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
OTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:54 PM Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: Well Doug, you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. And since you requested i

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Wes Peters
"Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: with my ymf744 it's a little different... things get vey tricky if you want to change a laptop's embedded audio chipset ;-) anyway, vaio n505x has a neomagic256av chipset onboard, i wonder why the sony boys implement a second chip for the audio stuff if the

Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

2000-02-20 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Many people have made this request. The following is what I remember of it. Notice, though, that... * I found the original link on the secret irc channel. * I'm under the impression that it was Asmodai who posted the link. Now, it was Asmodai who just said this is the EU law, so maybe the case I