https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230857
Bjoern A. Zeeb changed:
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On 2018-Oct-04 08:44:11 +, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
>Looking at the commits they require near zero maintenance. What exactly
>is the burden here?
As various others have stated, this isn't true. All the code in FreeBSD has
an ongoing maintenance cost and is an impediment to adding new
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=231859
Mark Linimon changed:
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You are
I have a number of production servers that only have bge and I don't see that
listed in either category. None of them are running FreeBSD 12 yet as it has
not been released. Also there are some with rl. Those are add-on boards so
they could be changed, but would require extensive effort as
On 2018-Oct-04 14:38:51 +0200, Andrea Venturoli via freebsd-net
wrote:
>Older models, up to the first RPi3 still have a 100Mb/s NIC.
>I just happen to have an RPi3 and I'd really love to convert it to
>FreeBSD once 12.x is stable enough.
All the RPi variants have Ethernet to USB adapters.
In message <11826345-1b82-46cb-894c-e567725f8...@bway.net>, Charles
Sprickman v
ia freebsd-fcp writes:
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Cy Schubert wrote:
> >
> > I have rl, fxp, xl, dc, bge (which I have an uncommitted patch for), nfe, a
> nd sk. Not all are scheduled for removal but this
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 12:23:17PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 12:18 PM Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
> > 05.10.2018 0:38, Warner Losh wrote:
> >
> > > I'd also suggest that rl stands in stark contrast to the cs, wb, sn, smc,
> > > sf, tl, tx and vr drivers, which nobody has
>FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md)
Can I open a FCP to rename FCP to FBS (for FreeBSD BikeShed) ?
Guys... most if not all of these emails could have been sent to
directly Brooks without Cc'ing four mailing lists.
Then Brooks could revise his tallies
> On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Cy Schubert wrote:
>
> I have rl, fxp, xl, dc, bge (which I have an uncommitted patch for), nfe, and
> sk. Not all are scheduled for removal but this is my inventory for which I
> can test and am willing to help out with. Add iwn and ath too.
I also have a
04.10.2018 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote:
> You can buy used core i5 laptops for around $20 if you shop around.
And plus even more for overseas delivery.
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On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 11:58 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:47 AM Ian Lepore wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 11:38 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:26 AM Ian Lepore
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 12:18 PM Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> 05.10.2018 0:38, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> > I'd also suggest that rl stands in stark contrast to the cs, wb, sn, smc,
> > sf, tl, tx and vr drivers, which nobody has mentioned in this thread, and
> > which I doubt are in use in any FreeBSD
04.10.2018 23:22, Brooks Davis wrote:
> In an effort to save some email, we will be moving rl(4) to the list of
> drivers to STAY as it has proved itself to be popular. A few others
> appear to be well on their way so keep the reports coming.
And ste(4) please, as these are hardly replaceable
05.10.2018 0:38, Warner Losh wrote:
> I'd also suggest that rl stands in stark contrast to the cs, wb, sn, smc,
> sf, tl, tx and vr drivers, which nobody has mentioned in this thread, and
> which I doubt are in use in any FreeBSD system of any age today.
vr(4) mentioned in the STAY list or else
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=227259
Jonathan T. Looney changed:
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On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 11:38 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:26 AM Ian Lepore wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 10:21 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM Michelle Sullivan
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tech-lists
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:47 AM Ian Lepore wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 11:38 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:26 AM Ian Lepore wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 10:21 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM Michelle Sullivan
On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 10:21 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM Michelle Sullivan
> wrote:
>
> >
> > tech-lists wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm astonished you're considering removing rl given how common it is.
> > >
> > I'll second that comment - though no disrespect to
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:26 AM Ian Lepore wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 10:21 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM Michelle Sullivan
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > tech-lists wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm astonished you're considering removing rl given how common it
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 11:21:03AM -0500, Kevin Day wrote:
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Luciano Mannucci
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> While I have no objection for general direction, I have doubts about
> >> removal
> >>> of ste(4) and
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM Michelle Sullivan
wrote:
> tech-lists wrote:
> >
> > I'm astonished you're considering removing rl given how common it is.
> >
>
> I'll second that comment - though no disrespect to Brooks. Brooks as
> far as I can see is just the messenger.
>
Absent good data,
>>> Please direct replies to freebsd-arch <<<
A few points of clarification:
Rod correctly points out that this message makes it look like the FCP is
a done deal as written. This is not the case and we welcome feedback
on the entire proposal. IMO, soliciting input on the list of drivers
along
> On Oct 4, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Luciano Mannucci
> wrote:
>
>>> While I have no objection for general direction, I have doubts about
>> removal
>>> of ste(4) and especially rl(4). These are cheap 100Mbit VERY popular NICs
>>> sold in
tech-lists wrote:
I'm astonished you're considering removing rl given how common it is.
I'll second that comment - though no disrespect to Brooks. Brooks as
far as I can see is just the messenger.
--
Michelle Sullivan
http://www.mhix.org/
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:59 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:46 AM Cy Schubert
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm willing to help out with rl(4) as I have one here. Others, not
> > > scheduled for removal, that I can help one way or another are
People need to submit patches then. OTOH, they can all be moved to ports. IMO,
when pkgbase becomes a reality, much of this will become moot. People will be
able to mix and match base and ports packages.
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I created a new patch on reviews.freebsd.org
https://reviews.freebsd.org/D17411
I need to wait for mentor's approval before writing to re@
Thanks,
Vincenzo
Il giorno gio 4 ott 2018 alle ore 17:25 Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> ha scritto:
> > Hi Rodney,
> > Sure.
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:46 AM Cy Schubert
> wrote:
>
> > I'm willing to help out with rl(4) as I have one here. Others, not
> > scheduled for removal, that I can help one way or another are are NICs,
> > including wireless, currently installed here.
> >
>
> There's an iflib man page that's a
I have rl, fxp, xl, dc, bge (which I have an uncommitted patch for), nfe, and
sk. Not all are scheduled for removal but this is my inventory for which I can
test and am willing to help out with. Add iwn and ath too.
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:46 AM Cy Schubert
wrote:
> I'm willing to help out with rl(4) as I have one here. Others, not
> scheduled for removal, that I can help one way or another are are NICs,
> including wireless, currently installed here.
>
There's an iflib man page that's a decent place to
I'm willing to help out with rl(4) as I have one here. Others, not scheduled
for removal, that I can help one way or another are are NICs, including
wireless, currently installed here.
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> Hi Rodney,
> Sure. Is there a specific procedure for this, or should I just send the
> .diff to r...@freebsd.org?
Yes, there is a procedure:
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/ChangeRequestGuidelines
the specific details for when the release is ^head is
towards the bottom.
Thanks again,
>
>
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:43:33AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> As far as I know, none of the drivers listed could do 1Gbps.
Right. My point was that original proposal put 10/100 drivers into one
basket, which is IMHO not fair: 10Mbps cards are rarely seen and used,
100mbps are not, just like
Hi Rodney,
Sure. Is there a specific procedure for this, or should I just send the
.diff to r...@freebsd.org?
Thanks,
Vincenzo
Il giorno gio 4 ott 2018 alle ore 17:03 Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> ha scritto:
> > Hi,
> > I fixed this upstream in this commit
> >
>
> Hi,
> I fixed this upstream in this commit
> https://github.com/luigirizzo/netmap/commit/282f404ccb4fc777056a591127060e29657c9ab7
> I will apply the change into FreeBSD as soon as HEAD thaws.
This appears to be a man page change only,
please do submit that to r...@freebsd.org to be
committed
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 8:40 AM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 02:26:44PM +, Mark Linimon wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:44:11AM +, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> > > OK I guess I can understand removing 10 (I personally haven't seen
> > > one in a very long time) but
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 02:26:44PM +, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:44:11AM +, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> > OK I guess I can understand removing 10 (I personally haven't seen
> > one in a very long time) but 100 are omnipresent and most of my NICs
> > are in fact 100.
>
Warner Losh wrote:
[lots of stuff snipped]
>That's why that one way to get the driver off the list is to convert to
>iflib. That greatly reduces the burden by centralizing all the stupid,
>common things of a driver so that we only have to change one place, not
>dozens.
I can probably do this for
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:44:11AM +, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> OK I guess I can understand removing 10 (I personally haven't seen
> one in a very long time) but 100 are omnipresent and most of my NICs
> are in fact 100.
Sigh. If you really plan to still be using i386 and 10/100 ether in
In message
, Warner Losh writes:
>Most of these drivers have had dozens or hundreds of commits each over the
>years to keep up with the API changes. This acts as a tax on innovation
>because it's such a pain in the back side to change all the drivers in the
>tree.
As one who has been
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 2:45 AM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> Looking at the commits they require near zero maintenance. What exactly
> is the burden here?
>
I believe that characterization is incorrect. There's a burden. And it's
death of a thousand cuts. And many of those cuts have been inflicted
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Luciano Mannucci
wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:03:01 +0700
> Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> > > The current list of drivers that will STAY in the tree is:
> > >
> > > dc, ffec, fxpl, hme, le, sis, vr, xl
> >
> > "fxpl" should have been "fxp" here, I suppose.
>
Yes.
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:03:01 +0700
Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> > The current list of drivers that will STAY in the tree is:
> >
> > dc, ffec, fxpl, hme, le, sis, vr, xl
>
> "fxpl" should have been "fxp" here, I suppose.
>
> While I have no objection for general direction, I have doubts about
On 10/4/18 2:06 PM, Christoph Moench-Tegeder wrote:
(heck, even RPis have a GBit interface
Only the 3B.
Older models, up to the first RPi3 still have a 100Mb/s NIC.
I just happen to have an RPi3 and I'd really love to convert it to
FreeBSD once 12.x is stable enough.
BTW, I also use fxp
Alexey Dokuchaev writes:
> Looking at the commits they require near zero maintenance.
Please do not confuse “nobody is maintaining them” with “they don't need
maintenance”, because they do. And please assume good faith. Brooks
asked for people to speak up if they care about some of the drivers
I also call for keeping of the ste(4) driver.
We use several 4-head D-LinkDFE-580TX cards. Removing their support would
incur serious expenses for us for replacement hardware.
> On 4 Oct 2018, at 09:03, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
> 04.10.2018 4:05, Brooks Davis wrote:
>
> Please
## Alexey Dokuchaev (da...@freebsd.org):
> > FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md)
> > outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD 12
>
> Holy shit! OK I guess I can understand removing 10 (I personally haven't
> seen one in a very long
On 03/10/18 22:05, Brooks Davis wrote:
We are solictiting
feedback on the list of drivers to be excepted from removal.
The current list of drivers slated for REMOVAL is:
ae, bfe, bm, cs, dme, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, rl, sf, smc, sn,
ste, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe
Please do not remove rl. I have
On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 09:05:16PM +, Brooks Davis wrote:
FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md)
outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD 12
and remove them in FreeBSD 13 to reduce the burden of maintaining and
improving the network
On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 09:05:16PM +, Brooks Davis wrote:
> FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md)
> outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD 12
Holy shit! OK I guess I can understand removing 10 (I personally haven't
seen one in a very
Hi,
I fixed this upstream in this commit
https://github.com/luigirizzo/netmap/commit/282f404ccb4fc777056a591127060e29657c9ab7
I will apply the change into FreeBSD as soon as HEAD thaws.
Cheers,
Vincenzo
Il giorno gio 4 ott 2018 alle ore 00:36 K. Macy ha
scritto:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at
04.10.2018 4:05, Brooks Davis wrote:
Please direct replies to freebsd-arch <<<
>
> FCP-01010 (https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md)
> outlines a plan to deprecate most 10/100 Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD 12
> and remove them in FreeBSD 13 to reduce the burden of maintaining
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