Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-15 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:35:15 +0100): On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:20:59 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:58:58 +0100): Actually having dependencies package version mismatches

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-14 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:38:37 +0100): On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:14:46 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:18:10 +0100): On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:20:59 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-14 Thread RW
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:20:59 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:58:58 +0100): Actually having dependencies package version mismatches needn't cause any significant problems. It does cause problems. You

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-13 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:18:10 +0100): On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:20:59 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:58:58 +0100): On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:33:22 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-13 Thread RW
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:14:46 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:18:10 +0100): On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:20:59 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 11 Aug 2007

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-12 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 02:07:17PM -0700 I heard the voice of Jeremy Chadwick, and lo! it spake thus: I'm aware it manages all of the regular /var/db/pkg files just like the pkg_* tools do. It has to for it to play nice. But it also maintains a separate database for (I think) versioning and

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-12 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:58:58 +0100): On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:33:22 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 03:02:53PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: 5. pkg_delete port I see. In step 5, pkg_delete port wont work if port is

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-12 Thread RW
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:20:59 +0200 Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:58:58 +0100): On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:33:22 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 03:02:53PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan

How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Hi, Just a question that struck me today. Before there were the portupgrade and other tools for upgrading installed applications to their newer versions, how did things work out? Did one upgrade applications through a series of make deinstall reinstall commands (I wonder if these commands

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:03:33PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Just a question that struck me today. Before there were the portupgrade and other tools for upgrading installed applications to their newer versions, how did things work out? Did one upgrade applications through a series of

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Tobias Roth
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:03:33PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Hi, Just a question that struck me today. Before there were the portupgrade and other tools for upgrading installed applications to their newer versions, how did things work out? Did one upgrade

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 01:33:57AM -0700 I heard the voice of Jeremy Chadwick, and lo! it spake thus: I'm one of those administrators who does not want something like portupgrade on his systems; I do not believe in having two separate databases maintaining dependencies and what's installed

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: Along those lines, yes. I'm one of those administrators who does not want something like portupgrade on his systems; I do not believe in having two separate databases maintaining dependencies and what's installed (portupgrade vs. base system pkg_* tools). Lots of

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 11:37:22AM +0200, Tobias Roth wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:03:33PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Hi, Just a question that struck me today. Before there were the portupgrade and other tools for upgrading installed applications to

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 11:37:22AM +0200, Tobias Roth wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:03:33PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Hi, Just a question that struck me today. Before there were the portupgrade and other tools for upgrading installed

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 09:01:27PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 11:37:22AM +0200, Tobias Roth wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:03:33PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Hi, Just a question that struck me today.

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread David Ericson Thiel
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:03:33PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Did one upgrade applications through a series of make deinstall reinstall commands (I wonder if these commands take care of dependencies too) or was there any other way? I used pkg_version -c, which has now been removed. It

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Kris Kennaway wrote: I'm curious now -- how does portupgrade (that's the tool I know/ use so I'll use that as an example) do its upgrading? I have seen that in case of an upgrade in builds the newer version, uninstalls the previous one (even though it might be required by other apps), and then

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 10:51:41AM -0700, David Ericson Thiel wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:03:33PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Did one upgrade applications through a series of make deinstall reinstall commands (I wonder if these commands take care of dependencies too) or was

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 03:02:53PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: 5. pkg_delete port I see. In step 5, pkg_delete port wont work if port is required by others right? So you delete those apps too? Could be a lot of stuff to uninstall, right? Absolutely correct. That might seem like a

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 05:42:30AM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: portupgrade manages all the regular /var/db/pkg/*/* files just like any other tool. It's got its db files, sure, but they're caches, not alternate masters. I've never seen a sync mismatch (or rather, I see them all the time,

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread RW
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:33:22 -0700 Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 03:02:53PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: 5. pkg_delete port I see. In step 5, pkg_delete port wont work if port is required by others right? So you delete those apps too? Could be a

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 03:02:53PM +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: 5. pkg_delete port I see. In step 5, pkg_delete port wont work if port is required by others right? So you delete those apps too? Could be a lot of stuff to uninstall, right? Absolutely correct.

Re: How did upgrading applications happen before portupgrade etc?

2007-08-11 Thread Doug Barton
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Afaik portmaster's beauty is that it doesn't have any dependencies like portuprade does. Doesn't require ruby etc, so upgrades to them don't cause problems like they could with portupgrade. (Again, haven't used portmaster, so I don't know; this