Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-07 Thread Lars Eighner
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mel Flynn wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 19:29:24 Lars Eighner wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mel Flynn wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:38:40 Lars Eighner wrote: It's hard to resist the sales pitch (really, USB will work again on 8.0, we promise! [but we are going to

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-07 Thread Lars Eighner
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Doug Barton wrote: Lars Eighner wrote: Believe me, if I can get back to my printer, camera, and mp3 player all working (which last occurred about 6.2 or so) I'll never upgrade again. Of course it is kind of lonely when your release is orphaned, which happens in the blink

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-07 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 06 August 2009 23:56:32 Lars Eighner wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mel Flynn wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 19:29:24 Lars Eighner wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mel Flynn wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:38:40 Lars Eighner wrote: It's hard to resist the sales pitch (really,

Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Lars Eighner
Okay py25-cairo will not build with python26 But with python26 it won't build either. py26-cairo will build with python26 and replaces py25-cairo but x11-toolkits/py-gtk2 will not build with py26-cairo, but insists on py25-cairo which will not build with or without python26 I realize this

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread b. f.
but x11-toolkits/py-gtk2 will not build with py26-cairo, but insists on py25-cairo which will not build with or without python26 I realize this stuff is put together by object-oriented people who aren't really used to the expectation that stuff will, you know, actually work. You're chasing

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 19:10:07 Lars Eighner wrote: Would these things build if I deleted all 1619 installed packages and started from scratch, or are the circular gotchas built-in with python and qt? do not even ask this question if you have a working system. I realised this problem by

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread b. f.
Erich Dollansky wrote: I think that you hit the weakest point of FreeBSD. When a version number of a base port changes, hundreds or even thousands of ports have to be recompiled. It is basically the same effect as when the major version number of FreeBSD changes. The same is true of almost any

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 07 August 2009 am 08:44:44 b. f. wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: I think that you hit the weakest point of FreeBSD. When a version number of a base port changes, hundreds or even thousands of ports have to be recompiled. It is basically the same effect as when the major version

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Lars Eighner
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 19:10:07 Lars Eighner wrote: Would these things build if I deleted all 1619 installed packages and started from scratch, or are the circular gotchas built-in with python and qt? do not even ask this question if you have a

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Lars Eighner
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, b. f. wrote: If this would be synchronised with the main FreeBSD releases, it would have a minor effect on users. No one is _forcing_ you to update anything, or even to use ports at all. Believe me, if I can get back to my printer, camera, and mp3 player all working

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread b. f.
On 8/7/09, Erich Dollansky er...@apsara.com.sg wrote: Hi, On 07 August 2009 am 08:44:44 b. f. wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: I think that you hit the weakest point of FreeBSD. When a version number of a base port changes, hundreds or even thousands of ports have to be recompiled. It is

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 07 August 2009 am 09:29:59 Lars Eighner wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Erich Dollansky wrote: On 06 August 2009 pm 19:10:07 Lars Eighner wrote: do not even ask this question if you have a working system. I realised this problem by luck when I tried to update a single program which

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 07 August 2009 am 10:14:25 b. f. wrote: On 8/7/09, Erich Dollansky er...@apsara.com.sg wrote: On 07 August 2009 am 08:44:44 b. f. wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: If this would be synchronised with the main FreeBSD releases, it would have a minor effect on users. But please

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:38:40 Lars Eighner wrote: It's hard to resist the sales pitch (really, USB will work again on 8.0, we promise! [but we are going to trash your modem driver]) --- sooner or later one has to wise up. If you actually know how responsive in particular hps@ is at

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Lars Eighner
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mel Flynn wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:38:40 Lars Eighner wrote: It's hard to resist the sales pitch (really, USB will work again on 8.0, we promise! [but we are going to trash your modem driver]) --- sooner or later one has to wise up. If you actually know how

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 07 August 2009 am 11:29:24 Lars Eighner wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mel Flynn wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:38:40 Lars Eighner wrote: Done, months ago with all the core dump stuff. Still open. Umass still crashes the system if I plug the camera or the mp3 player in. (I

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Doug Barton
Lars Eighner wrote: Believe me, if I can get back to my printer, camera, and mp3 player all working (which last occurred about 6.2 or so) I'll never upgrade again. Of course it is kind of lonely when your release is orphaned, which happens in the blink of an eye, but if the kernel supports

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Mel Flynn
On Thursday 06 August 2009 19:29:24 Lars Eighner wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mel Flynn wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:38:40 Lars Eighner wrote: It's hard to resist the sales pitch (really, USB will work again on 8.0, we promise! [but we are going to trash your modem driver]) ---

Re: Ports completely and permanently hosed

2009-08-06 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:17:20AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 19:10:07 Lars Eighner wrote: Would these things build if I deleted all 1619 installed packages and started from scratch, or are the circular gotchas built-in with python and qt? do not even ask