Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Julien Laffaye
On 8/24/2012 3:57 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: On 23 August 2012 18:19, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote: Hi, It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is confusing that running the command gets

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote: Hi, It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it is run vs.

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Sergey V. Dyatko
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:00:25 -0400 Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On 23 August 2012 22:55, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote: As far as I understand it, POLA is about changing existing things: okay, so forget POLA. My point is that a user following a how to or even *our*

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Florian Smeets
On 08/24/2012 10:15, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote: Hi, It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is confusing that running the command gets

INDEX|DESCRIBE-N not provided by portsnap server

2012-08-24 Thread Sergey V. Dyatko
Hi, I have a box with HEAD and I'm try setup my own pkgng repo with poudriere After `poudriere ports -c`: [skipped] /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/yeahconsole/ /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/yelp/ /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/zenity/ Building new

Re: INDEX|DESCRIBE-N not provided by portsnap server

2012-08-24 Thread Colin Percival
On 08/24/12 02:02, Sergey V. Dyatko wrote: After `poudriere ports -c`: [skipped] /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/yeahconsole/ /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/yelp/ /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/zenity/ Building new INDEX files... INDEX-7 not provided

Re: INDEX|DESCRIBE-N not provided by portsnap server

2012-08-24 Thread Sergey V. Dyatko
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:03:58 -0700 Colin Percival cperc...@freebsd.org wrote: On 08/24/12 02:02, Sergey V. Dyatko wrote: After `poudriere ports -c`: [skipped] /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/yeahconsole/ /usr/local/poudriere/ports/default/ports/x11/yelp/

RE: pkgng default release schedule (contd...)

2012-08-24 Thread Jeffrey Bouquet
A few more reasons (unless I have not seen some relevant documentation to the contrary) to not mandate pkgng as the default... Nowadays, one can save time by installing two ports which officially or unofficially conflict, and have /var/db/pkg entries for both, and even local workarounds (for

RE: pkgng default release schedule (contd...)

2012-08-24 Thread Chris Rees
On 24 Aug 2012 11:08, Jeffrey Bouquet jeffreybouq...@yahoo.com wrote: A few more reasons (unless I have not seen some relevant documentation to the contrary) to not mandate pkgng as the default... Why don't you phrase this as How can one ... so you sound less negative? Nowadays, one can save

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Alex Dupre
Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in case it is going to bootstrap. So, removing the prompt will make everybody happy? :-) What about a prompt with timeout? This is the first time pkg is run, I'll start bootstrapping in 10

PowerBroker Identity Services (Likewise-open) preliminary port update

2012-08-24 Thread Ganael LAPLANCHE
Hi Everyone, Following my previous post : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-June/068304.html and the acquisition of Likewise by BeyondTrust :

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in case it is going to bootstrap. So, removing the prompt will make everybody happy? :-) What about a prompt with timeout?

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in case it is going to bootstrap. So, removing the prompt will make everybody

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:50:30AM -0500, Bryan Drewery wrote: On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in case it is

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 8/24/2012 11:02 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:50:30AM -0500, Bryan Drewery wrote: On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has

Cannot upgrade php5-simplexml

2012-08-24 Thread Lars Eighner
I can't seem to upgrade textproc/php5-simplexml because the existing version has no recorded origin. pkg_delete won't delete it. pkgdb -F doesn't seem to detect anything wrong. deinstall doesn't work. I must have done something very bad a long time ago because I can't find any mention in

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other people's poorly written docs. This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expecting a tool to exist, which

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 1:15 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: BTW for people who haven't tested and want to share their opinion, here is how work /usr/sbin/pkg: it first checks if ${LOCALBASE}/sbin/pkg is there - if yes it directly execute

Fw: RE: pkgng default release schedule (s/ABI/API/g ...typo)

2012-08-24 Thread Jeffrey Bouquet
s/ABI/API/g Sorry! --- On Fri, 8/24/12, Jeffrey Bouquet jeffreybouq...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jeffrey Bouquet jeffreybouq...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: pkgng default release schedule (contd...) To: Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 1:28 PM Comments below. I've no

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 03:38:33PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 1:15 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: BTW for people who haven't tested and want to share their opinion, here is how work /usr/sbin/pkg: it first checks if

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Jonathan Anderson
On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base. But surely the whole point of pkgng is that people *will* use pkg as the default method of acquiring

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base. So, then they won't use it. I fail

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Jonathan Anderson
On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org (mailto:do...@freebsd.org) wrote: Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:47:26AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org (mailto:do...@freebsd.org) wrote: Let

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 5:33 PM, Glen Barber wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to need

Re: INDEX|DESCRIBE-N not provided by portsnap server

2012-08-24 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:02:59PM +0300 I heard the voice of Sergey V. Dyatko, and lo! it spake thus: Building new INDEX files... INDEX-7 not provided by portsnap server; INDEX-7 not being generated. DESCRIBE.7 INDEX-8 not provided by portsnap server; DESCRIBE.7 INDEX-8 not being generated.

P2 testing of pkg

2012-08-24 Thread Jeffrey Bouquet
pkg2ng fails to register anything: Undefined symbol _ThreadRuneLocale It tries; Each port is attempted to be registered. ... Unknown if that is because of the p2 having an earlier version of 9-STABLE than upon which was built /pkg/ ... As an aside, now that bsdstats.org has its port statistics

One more pkg non-default-please edge-case reasoning...

2012-08-24 Thread Jeffrey Bouquet
I should explain opposition to the deprecation of /var/db/pkg more fully (assuming it is to be obsoleted by pkg)... I am accustomed to using the /lookat/ port to view text files (such as +CONTENTS.) Multiple times weekly, I use its 's' key to search (a dialog box appears) bin so etc. This