Re: The ports collection has some serious issues
> > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> On 2016-Dec-15 19:31:22 +0100, list-freebsd-ports at jyborn.se wrote: > >> Interestingly, the most vocal proponent of deleting portmaster and > >> portupgrade is the author/maintainer of synch. > > It's not interesting at all. Synth was in a large part created because > people were irrationally sticking with portmaster and more frighteningly > gaining new users. > Please don't judge what's rational and what's not, because it's community and when many people, even irrationally from your POV, sticking with portmaster, then it's worth to consider and look for a way to keep it up. > The point is that these tools are in great shape and to imply otherwise > needs proof. It's portmaster that's not receiving updates. > In current shape it works well for many people (and demanded by) in community, so why should it be removed ? You can warn as much as you want against, but you can't decide to remove. Hrant > John > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ___ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- Hrant Dadivanyan (aka Ran d'Adi)hrant(at)dadivanyan.net /* "Feci quod potui, faciant meliora potentes." */ ran(at)psg.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Removing documentation
> > Then allow me to be the second. But then, I find poudriere > > unusable on my build system (I don't use ZFS and my memory is > > apparently too limited). Portmaster just does the right thing. > > > > We get that you don't like portmaster. So please don't use it. > > But don't deprive the rest of us. -- George > > Did you actually install it, use it, and compare? > Or are you just saying this based on what you think it does? > > So far every former portmaster use that tried it (really tried it) has > switch with one possible exception (he didn't see the rationale for the > build logic so I don't know if he kept using it or not). > > And not one person until Mattias said portmaster was "easier". > > BTW, if your system is too limited for poudriere, then likely you > couldn't use tmpfs with Synth, so you'd lose out on a lot of > performance. It would still be better than live building though. It's fine that there is such an excellent tool as synth, but in server environment, when only a few ports are installed, having a management port with 17 dependencies is not reasonable. From the very beginning portmaster works fine for me and, as far as I can see, for many other people. >From my point it's mandatory to have a lightweight tool like postmaster is and the question should be how to maintain it, instead of how limited it is. Thank you, Hrant > ___ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- Hrant Dadivanyan (aka Ran d'Adi)hrant(at)dadivanyan.net /* "Feci quod potui, faciant meliora potentes." */ ran(at)psg.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Removing documentation
> On 2/9/2016 11:52 AM, Hrant Dadivanyan wrote: > > It's fine that there is such an excellent tool as synth, but in server > > environment, when only a few ports are installed, having a management port > > with 17 dependencies is not reasonable. > > Rather that parroting this phrase, I would like to see some technical > reasoning about this dependency criticism. Would you be willing to > provide that? > > What I would like to see you address is: > > 1) As was just stated earler this morning, having synth installed is 2 > packages: Synth itself and ncurses. These "17 dependences" are build > requirements and not installed. So what is "unreasonable" about that? > So will require any upgrade of synth by itself, correct ? If build from sources, of course. > 2) If 17 dependencies are such a concern, why would you not install it > via official freebsd packages? > Ports buiding is also official. Phrasing of your question sets the preference in favour of prebuilt packages, my preference is opposite. > 3) If there is a corporate policy to build everything from source, what > would be the issue to use an officially packaged Synth to build Synth > (along with the other packages) so that the locally built Synth could > replace the downloaded version? > In my case it's just a preference to build everything locally. > As established earlier both by text and the recently posted architecture > drawing, Synth is not in the critical path and removing it has no > adverse affects on a system so the whole, "I'll be left in a bad state > argument has been debunked" > > This is not a rhetorical set of questions, I would very much like to see > how you answer these, given your opinion on this is unreasonable. I > would like to understand how this is a problem and why there are no ways > to address it. > There is no need to address it, because of two quite different use cases. As far as I can see synth is excellent in some cases, my point is that portmaster is fine in some other ones. > thank you, > John -- Hrant Dadivanyan (aka Ran d'Adi)hrant(at)dadivanyan.net /* "Feci quod potui, faciant meliora potentes." */ ran(at)psg.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: sysutils/boxbackup
Hi, Thanks a lot, I confirm for 8.4 and 10.1 amd64 releases. Another local patch is gone out. Thank you, Hrant Hi! Could someone review and if everything is correct proceed with https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=194223 Done. -- p...@opsec.eu+49 171 3101372 6 years to go ! -- Hrant Dadivanyan (aka Ran d'Adi)hrant(at)dadivanyan.net /* Feci quod potui, faciant meliora potentes. */ ran(at)psg.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sysutils/boxbackup
Hello, Could someone review and if everything is correct proceed with https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=194223 Thank you, Hrant -- Hrant Dadivanyan (aka Ran d'Adi)hrant(at)dadivanyan.net /* Feci quod potui, faciant meliora potentes. */ ran(at)psg.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
