Re: Removal of XAA acceleration in X.org, and older NVIDIA GeForce
On 2014-12-23 10:20, Mark Martinec wrote: Tijl Coosemans wrote: This card is still supported by x11/nvidia-driver-304 Mark Martinec wrote: Good suggestion! It does seem to draw screen and scroll much faster than NV (although it seems to stall from time to time (like unresponsive mouse) on a busy host). Will need to test more thoroughly tomorrow when poudriere builds will be over. Thanks! Actually it did not turn out well. Although nvidia-driver-304 with a GeForce 7300 GT does not suffer from slow scrolls and slow rendering of web pages, it frequently stalls (like every minute) and nothing happens for a dozen of seconds: mouse cannot move a cursor, a cursor may even temporarily disappear, typing on an xterm or konsole window is unresponsive. It appears as if a host is terribly busy, even though it is not (the yesterday's poudriere build was over, and I even rebooted the host, with nvidia driver loaded by a boot loader this time). After a dozen of seconds or so, things get back at being responsive again, until the next lockup. Occasionally a window may become scrambled, but rectifies itself after a while. After trying to work in this situation for a while, eventually screen turned black, with a host totally locked up - not even responding to ssh or ping or ctrl alt F1, or a soft ACPI power off button, so had to be forcibly rebooted. So in the end I had to revert back to the NV driver, which is now slow, but at least is stable and consistent. I guess we need to start looking for a new graphics board, quite unfortunate. Mark Michael Jung wrote: FWIW on i386 current r275874 I do no have these lockup issues with nvidia GeForce Go 7300 I did find that though loading the nvidia kernel module in /boot/loader.conf was not enough, I had to create a small xorg.conf simply containing Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation EndSection or GLX instead of NV-GLX would try to be loaded Sure, I did that. (actually, nvidia-xconfig did that for me) I also have both devd and hald running. Same here. So after a couple of days of suffering I gave up and ordered a new GeForce GT 730, arrived today. I was surprised that the nv driver reported that it is not supported. Switching to nvidia 340 driver now it works perfectly and is fast. So an eight year old GeForce 7300 GT or 7600 GS is too old to be supported by nv driver (and nvidia 304 driver was unstable with 7300, although it works with 7600 on another host on a lower resolution screen), yet a year old GT 730 is too young to be supported by nv. Luckily it works very well with nvidia-driver(-340). I wonder if 7300 GT + nvidia-driver-304 stuttering / holdups and instability can be due to a higher resolution of a monitor attached to that host, or (judging by the symptoms) may it be due to fighting over free memory with ZFS ARC under FreeBSD 10.1, which still seems unresolved: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=187594 Bug 187594 - [zfs] [patch] ZFS ARC behavior problem and fix Mark ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Removal of XAA acceleration in X.org, and older NVIDIA GeForce
Tijl Coosemans wrote: This card is still supported by x11/nvidia-driver-304 Mark Martinec wrote: Good suggestion! It does seem to draw screen and scroll much faster than NV (although it seems to stall from time to time (like unresponsive mouse) on a busy host). Will need to test more thoroughly tomorrow when poudriere builds will be over. Thanks! Actually it did not turn out well. Although nvidia-driver-304 with a GeForce 7300 GT does not suffer from slow scrolls and slow rendering of web pages, it frequently stalls (like every minute) and nothing happens for a dozen of seconds: mouse cannot move a cursor, a cursor may even temporarily disappear, typing on an xterm or konsole window is unresponsive. It appears as if a host is terribly busy, even though it is not (the yesterday's poudriere build was over, and I even rebooted the host, with nvidia driver loaded by a boot loader this time). After a dozen of seconds or so, things get back at being responsive again, until the next lockup. Occasionally a window may become scrambled, but rectifies itself after a while. After trying to work in this situation for a while, eventually screen turned black, with a host totally locked up - not even responding to ssh or ping or ctrl alt F1, or a soft ACPI power off button, so had to be forcibly rebooted. So in the end I had to revert back to the NV driver, which is now slow, but at least is stable and consistent. I guess we need to start looking for a new graphics board, quite unfortunate. Mark mark.martinec+free...@ijs.si wrote: /usr/ports/UPDATING: 20141219: AFFECTS: users of x11/xorg and all xorg ports AUTHOR: dumbb...@freebsd.org The X.Org server (x11-servers/xorg-server) is updated to 1.14. http://blogs.freebsdish.org/graphics/2014/11/19/xserver-1-14-update-ready/ Changes since xserver 1.12 The most visible change is the removal of XAA. This is a 2D acceleration method which was deprecated some time ago, in favor of EXA or Intel-specific’s UXA or SNA. For the end user, this means that some drivers (xf86-video-*) are not supported anymore, mostly for older GPUs according to Phoronix. If you encounter this case, please let us know. Ouch!!! Upgrading X -related ports went with no problems (FreeBSD 10.1), but I didn't realize the outcome would be so terrible. Scrolling or refreshing a full-screen page in a web browser now feels like in the good old days of a 19200 bps line and a glass terminal. Even scrolling or paging through plain text with 'less' or editor on a KDE konsole or xterm feels sluggish. Certainly the size of the display does not help in this regards (2560x1600). The Xorg.0.log reports: NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT at 02@00:00:0 Now I fear that upgrading ports on my other workstation (GeForce 7600 GS) would lead to similar results. I know these graphics boards are not the latest of breed (the CPU and mb are still fairly decent). They were chosen for being fan-less, and coping sufficiently well with 2D and text even on largish displays. So is my only choice now replacing graphics with heat- and noise- sources I don't really need, or being stuck with frozen ports? I wonder if I'm the only one in this situation. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
nvida Go 7300 working - WAS: Removal of XAA acceleration in X.org, and older NVIDIA GeForce
On 2014-12-23 10:20, Mark Martinec wrote: Tijl Coosemans wrote: This card is still supported by x11/nvidia-driver-304 Mark Martinec wrote: Good suggestion! It does seem to draw screen and scroll much faster than NV (although it seems to stall from time to time (like unresponsive mouse) on a busy host). Will need to test more thoroughly tomorrow when poudriere builds will be over. Thanks! Actually it did not turn out well. Although nvidia-driver-304 with a GeForce 7300 GT does not suffer from slow scrolls and slow rendering of web pages, it frequently stalls (like every minute) and nothing happens for a dozen of seconds: mouse cannot move a cursor, a cursor may even temporarily disappear, typing on an xterm or konsole window is unresponsive. It appears as if a host is terribly busy, even though it is not (the yesterday's poudriere build was over, and I even rebooted the host, with nvidia driver loaded by a boot loader this time). After a dozen of seconds or so, things get back at being responsive again, until the next lockup. Occasionally a window may become scrambled, but rectifies itself after a while. After trying to work in this situation for a while, eventually screen turned black, with a host totally locked up - not even responding to ssh or ping or ctrl alt F1, or a soft ACPI power off button, so had to be forcibly rebooted. So in the end I had to revert back to the NV driver, which is now slow, but at least is stable and consistent. I guess we need to start looking for a new graphics board, quite unfortunate. Mark FWIW on i386 current r275874 I do no have these lockup issues with nvidia GeForce Go 7300 I did find that though loading the nvidia kernel module in /boot/loader.conf was not enough, I had to create a small xorg.conf simply containing Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation EndSection or GLX instead of NV-GLX would try to be loaded grep GLX Xorg.0.log-without-xorg.conf [ 21401.540] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 304.125 Mon Dec 1 20:18:39 PST 2014 [ 21401.540] Loading extension GLX [ 21401.782] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) grep GLX Xorg.0.log-with-xorg.conf [ 21298.014] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 304.125 Mon Dec 1 20:18:39 PST 2014 [ 21298.014] Loading extension GLX [ 21298.839] Loading extension NV-GLX [ 21298.931] (II) Initializing extension GLX http://mail.mikej.com/Xorg.0.log-without-xorg.conf http://mail.mikej.com/Xorg.0.log-with-xorg.conf I also have both devd and hald running. --mikej ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Removal of XAA acceleration in X.org, and older NVIDIA GeForce
/usr/ports/UPDATING: 20141219: AFFECTS: users of x11/xorg and all xorg ports AUTHOR: dumbb...@freebsd.org The X.Org server (x11-servers/xorg-server) is updated to 1.14. http://blogs.freebsdish.org/graphics/2014/11/19/xserver-1-14-update-ready/ Changes since xserver 1.12 The most visible change is the removal of XAA. This is a 2D acceleration method which was deprecated some time ago, in favor of EXA or Intel-specific’s UXA or SNA. For the end user, this means that some drivers (xf86-video-*) are not supported anymore, mostly for older GPUs according to Phoronix. If you encounter this case, please let us know. Ouch!!! Upgrading X -related ports went with no problems (FreeBSD 10.1), but I didn't realize the outcome would be so terrible. Scrolling or refreshing a full-screen page in a web browser now feels like in the good old days of a 19200 bps line and a glass terminal. Even scrolling or paging through plain text with 'less' or editor on a KDE konsole or xterm feels sluggish. Certainly the size of the display does not help in this regards (2560x1600). The Xorg.0.log reports: NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT at 02@00:00:0 Now I fear that upgrading ports on my other workstation (GeForce 7600 GS) would lead to similar results. I know these graphics boards are not the latest of breed (the CPU and mb are still fairly decent). They were chosen for being fan-less, and coping sufficiently well with 2D and text even on largish displays. So is my only choice now replacing graphics with heat- and noise- sources I don't really need, or being stuck with frozen ports? I wonder if I'm the only one in this situation. Mark ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Removal of XAA acceleration in X.org, and older NVIDIA GeForce
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:45:35 +0100 Mark Martinec mark.martinec+free...@ijs.si wrote: /usr/ports/UPDATING: 20141219: AFFECTS: users of x11/xorg and all xorg ports AUTHOR: dumbb...@freebsd.org The X.Org server (x11-servers/xorg-server) is updated to 1.14. http://blogs.freebsdish.org/graphics/2014/11/19/xserver-1-14-update-ready/ Changes since xserver 1.12 The most visible change is the removal of XAA. This is a 2D acceleration method which was deprecated some time ago, in favor of EXA or Intel-specific’s UXA or SNA. For the end user, this means that some drivers (xf86-video-*) are not supported anymore, mostly for older GPUs according to Phoronix. If you encounter this case, please let us know. Ouch!!! Upgrading X -related ports went with no problems (FreeBSD 10.1), but I didn't realize the outcome would be so terrible. Scrolling or refreshing a full-screen page in a web browser now feels like in the good old days of a 19200 bps line and a glass terminal. Even scrolling or paging through plain text with 'less' or editor on a KDE konsole or xterm feels sluggish. Certainly the size of the display does not help in this regards (2560x1600). The Xorg.0.log reports: NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT at 02@00:00:0 Now I fear that upgrading ports on my other workstation (GeForce 7600 GS) would lead to similar results. I know these graphics boards are not the latest of breed (the CPU and mb are still fairly decent). They were chosen for being fan-less, and coping sufficiently well with 2D and text even on largish displays. So is my only choice now replacing graphics with heat- and noise- sources I don't really need, or being stuck with frozen ports? I wonder if I'm the only one in this situation. This card is still supported by x11/nvidia-driver-304 ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Removal of XAA acceleration in X.org, and older NVIDIA GeForce
Tijl Coosemans wrote: This card is still supported by x11/nvidia-driver-304 Good suggestion! It does seem to draw screen and scroll much faster than NV (although it seems to stall from time to time (like unresponsive mouse) on a busy host). Will need to test more thoroughly tomorrow when poudriere builds will be over. Thanks! Mark 2014-12-22 20:18, je Tijl Coosemans napisal mark.martinec+free...@ijs.si wrote: /usr/ports/UPDATING: 20141219: AFFECTS: users of x11/xorg and all xorg ports AUTHOR: dumbb...@freebsd.org The X.Org server (x11-servers/xorg-server) is updated to 1.14. http://blogs.freebsdish.org/graphics/2014/11/19/xserver-1-14-update-ready/ Changes since xserver 1.12 The most visible change is the removal of XAA. This is a 2D acceleration method which was deprecated some time ago, in favor of EXA or Intel-specific’s UXA or SNA. For the end user, this means that some drivers (xf86-video-*) are not supported anymore, mostly for older GPUs according to Phoronix. If you encounter this case, please let us know. Ouch!!! Upgrading X -related ports went with no problems (FreeBSD 10.1), but I didn't realize the outcome would be so terrible. Scrolling or refreshing a full-screen page in a web browser now feels like in the good old days of a 19200 bps line and a glass terminal. Even scrolling or paging through plain text with 'less' or editor on a KDE konsole or xterm feels sluggish. Certainly the size of the display does not help in this regards (2560x1600). The Xorg.0.log reports: NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT at 02@00:00:0 Now I fear that upgrading ports on my other workstation (GeForce 7600 GS) would lead to similar results. I know these graphics boards are not the latest of breed (the CPU and mb are still fairly decent). They were chosen for being fan-less, and coping sufficiently well with 2D and text even on largish displays. So is my only choice now replacing graphics with heat- and noise- sources I don't really need, or being stuck with frozen ports? I wonder if I'm the only one in this situation. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
