Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-27 Thread Adam Weinberger 
> On 26 Oct, 2017, at 16:32, Dave Horsfall  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> 
>> You can opt out of spam by sending "unsubscribe" to 
>> freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org.
> 
> So were you born a jerk, or did you have to work at it?

That about sums that up.

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Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-27 Thread Matthias Apitz 
Every now and then some single SPAM is passing through freebsd-* lists and
always the mails generated and folks moaning are a lot more than just
this single SPAM mail. Why people can not juster filter those mails
away, for example with SpamAssassin (as I do), or just silently hit the
DEL or whatever button is in your MUA for this purpose.

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Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-27 Thread David Wolfskill 
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:13:20AM +0200, Jan Bramkamp wrote:
> ...
> I would like to help fighting the spam problem on the FreeBSD.org 
> mailing lists. Can you put me in contact with the right people?
> 
> -- Jan Bramkamp

 would be the appropriate email address -- both
for offers of help and pointing out perceived issues (whether it's the
existence of spam, problems sending mail to a list, or just about
anything involving the email infrastructure at FreeBSD.org).

Peace,
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Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-27 Thread Jan Bramkamp 

On 27.10.17 01:24, Mark Linimon wrote:

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 07:50:40AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:

Is it official FreeBSD policy to allow spammers free reign on this
list, or is the list owner merely incompetent?

or is it 3) spam is a never-ending arms race, and the volunteers are
struggling to keep up?
It is and low latency human moderation of all mailinglists is an 
unrealistic expectation.

Honestly, I do not understand why people make posts like this.
Most precise low maintenance spam filtering works on meta that gets 
mangled too badly by mailing lists to be usable afterwards. From the 
point of view of spam filters the messages relayed by the mailing list 
originate in from a valid MX of freebsd.org. Combining a strict postfix 
setup with postscreen and postgrey solved the spam problem for my 
domains with one exception: the FreeBSD mailing lists. To keep the 
signal to noise ratio on those acceptable I had to deploy a content 
based spam filter and have not yet found a good enough configuration for 
it. While not fair it is very tempting to blame the operators and I'm 
surprised how some spam campaigns manage to get unchanged content 
relayed through the FreeBSD mailing lists for months.

Speaking as someone who, behind the scenes, helps people try to stay
motivated, all you're doing is make other people's lives miserable --
including mine.
I would like to help fighting the spam problem on the FreeBSD.org 
mailing lists. Can you put me in contact with the right people?


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Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-27 Thread Sijmen J. Mulder 

Hi all,

Op 27-10-2017 om 08:56 schreef Thomas Mueller:

I believe spam is filtered by software, a spam-suspicious message is sent to 
the moderator.

Spam filters should not filter out good messages, thus some spam gets through.

But freebsd-questions seems to get the most spam of all FreeBSD emailing lists, 
much more than freebsd-ports..


I do mind the spam here and especially on -questions but I just wanted 
to say that I really appreciate the work of the volunteers behind these 
lists.


Sijmen
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Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-27 Thread Thomas Mueller 
> On 26 Oct, 2017, at 14:50, Dave Horsfall  wrote:

> Is it official FreeBSD policy to allow spammers free reign on this list, or 
> is the list owner merely incompetent?

I believe spam is filtered by software, a spam-suspicious message is sent to 
the moderator. 

Spam filters should not filter out good messages, thus some spam gets through.

But freebsd-questions seems to get the most spam of all FreeBSD emailing lists, 
much more than freebsd-ports..

Tom

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Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-26 Thread Mark Linimon 
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 07:50:40AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> Is it official FreeBSD policy to allow spammers free reign on this
> list, or is the list owner merely incompetent?

or is it 3) spam is a never-ending arms race, and the volunteers are
struggling to keep up?

...

Honestly, I do not understand why people make posts like this.

Speaking as someone who, behind the scenes, helps people try to stay
motivated, all you're doing is make other people's lives miserable --
including mine.

mcl
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Re: Spam on -ports

2017-10-26 Thread Adam Weinberger 
> On 26 Oct, 2017, at 14:50, Dave Horsfall  wrote:
> 
> Is it official FreeBSD policy to allow spammers free reign on this list, or 
> is the list owner merely incompetent?

You can opt out of spam by sending "unsubscribe" to 
freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org.

# Adam


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Spam on -ports

2017-10-26 Thread Dave Horsfall 
Is it official FreeBSD policy to allow spammers free reign on this list, 
or is the list owner merely incompetent?


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