Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Roger Marquis]

Lowell Gilbert wrote:

"Thomas Mueller"  writes:

Why only the freebsd-ports mailing list and no others?
Other FreeBSD mailing lists get spam, and I thought freebsd-questions was
the biggest target for spam.


Why? 1) lack of volunteers with sufficent mailman and/or spam-filtering
experience, 2) lack of list admins with mailman moderation experience,
3) failure to accept experienced postmaster volunteers, and last but not
least 4) lack of list management policies based on best practice.


However -questions isn't one of them, because you can't ask
someone to subscribe to a list before asking for tech support.


We shouldn't need to subscribe to post to -questions, agreed 100%,
however, it takes very little skill or time to moderate posts from
unsubscribed and recently-subscribed posters.  Then again it also takes
little time or effort to configure postfix to score and hold the obvious
spam that continues to get forwarded to freebsd lists.  At least making
-ports subscriber-only is a small indication that someone on the
postmaster team recognizes there is an issue here.

IME,
Roger Marquis
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RE: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Carmel NY]

On Monday, December 11, 2017 9:17 AM, Lowell Gilbert stated:
> "Thomas Mueller"  writes:
> 
> > Why only the freebsd-ports mailing list and no others?
> >
> > Other FreeBSD mailing lists get spam, and I thought freebsd-questions was
> the biggest target for spam.
> 
> A fair number of FreeBSD lists *are* subscriber-only already.
> 
> However -questions isn't one of them because you can't ask someone to
> subscribe to a list before asking for tech support.

Excuse me, but I have had to subscribe to numerous lists before posting; i.e., 
the postfix forum
being an example. Peersonally, I think the FreeBSD team has dragged their feet 
on this matter
way to long to begin with.

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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Lowell Gilbert]

"Thomas Mueller"  writes:

> Why only the freebsd-ports mailing list and no others? 
>
> Other FreeBSD mailing lists get spam, and I thought freebsd-questions was the 
> biggest target for spam.

A fair number of FreeBSD lists *are* subscriber-only already.

However -questions isn't one of them, because you can't ask
someone to subscribe to a list before asking for tech support.
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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Kevin Oberman]

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:59 AM, Thomas Mueller  wrote:

> > The po...@freebsd.org (aka freebsd-ports@) mailing list now requires
> you to
> > subscribe to the list before posting. This brings us two important
> benefits:
>
> > * This should cut back tremendously on spam coming through the list.
>
> > * Users are more likely to find better answers to their questions: The
> first
> > three times a question is asked, it gets detailed replies. The fourth
> through
> > nth times usually get a one sentence reply.
>
> > This ONLY affects sending messages to the list. It does NOT affect:
> > - Receiving messages or replies
> > - Viewing the archives (https://www.freebsd.org/
> community/mailinglists.html)
> > - Searching the archives
>
> > If you have any questions about this, don't hesitate to ask!
>
> # Adam
>
>
> > Adam Weinberger
>
> Why only the freebsd-ports mailing list and no others?
>
> Other FreeBSD mailing lists get spam, and I thought freebsd-questions was
> the biggest target for spam.
>
> NetBSD mailing lista are also spam targets.
>
> Tom
>

While I don't have a list, when I changes my default "From:" address a
while back, i discovered that several FreeBSD lists are subscriber-only as
my posts started getting responses that my message was being held as I was
not a subscriber to the list.
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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Thomas Mueller]

> The po...@freebsd.org (aka freebsd-ports@) mailing list now requires you to
> subscribe to the list before posting. This brings us two important benefits:

> * This should cut back tremendously on spam coming through the list.

> * Users are more likely to find better answers to their questions: The first
> three times a question is asked, it gets detailed replies. The fourth through
> nth times usually get a one sentence reply.

> This ONLY affects sending messages to the list. It does NOT affect:
> - Receiving messages or replies
> - Viewing the archives (https://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html)
> - Searching the archives

> If you have any questions about this, don't hesitate to ask!

# Adam


> Adam Weinberger

Why only the freebsd-ports mailing list and no others? 

Other FreeBSD mailing lists get spam, and I thought freebsd-questions was the 
biggest target for spam.

NetBSD mailing lista are also spam targets.

Tom

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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Dave Horsfall]

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Tilman Keskinöz wrote:

I must be living in a parallel universe, checking 
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2017-December/thread.html 
there has been one (1) spam message getting through so far this month. 
That's a really tremendous amount of spam.


Sigh...  Confined yourself to just this month, eh?  Let's see:

aneurin% grep "^From owner-freebsd-ports" mail/spam
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sat Nov 22 17:36:08 2014
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Dec  2 03:52:59 2014
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Dec 11 04:01:46 2014
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Dec 19 12:00:36 2014
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Dec 25 22:54:27 2014
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Dec 31 21:38:16 2014
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun Jan  4 10:06:49 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Jan 20 04:03:42 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Jan 20 04:03:42 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Jan 20 04:05:03 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Jan 21 20:47:55 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Jan 21 22:57:46 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Feb  3 22:03:43 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Feb 11 00:35:37 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Feb 13 17:17:16 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Feb 16 15:22:30 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Feb 16 16:11:29 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Feb 16 19:11:56 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Feb 26 03:14:22 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun Mar  1 11:26:28 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Mar  3 01:01:43 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Mar  3 04:53:38 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Mar 13 20:27:26 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Mar 16 16:10:13 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Mar 20 22:29:08 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Mar 23 23:35:03 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Mar 24 05:26:46 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Mar 24 19:44:31 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Mar 24 21:34:22 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Mar 25 18:22:43 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Mar 26 16:31:13 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Apr  2 18:53:42 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Apr  3 16:30:36 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sat Apr  4 22:51:52 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Apr  8 07:03:19 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Apr  8 09:50:52 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Apr 17 06:44:32 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Apr 20 16:14:55 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Apr 23 15:07:29 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Apr 24 15:50:07 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun Apr 26 17:08:52 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Apr 28 04:43:05 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun May  3 14:20:03 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed May 13 18:03:20 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sat May 16 09:14:07 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun May 17 18:12:52 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun May 17 18:13:37 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun May 17 18:14:41 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun May 17 18:29:11 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun May 17 18:29:27 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Jun  4 01:06:06 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 10 13:24:49 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 17 00:06:35 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sat Jun 20 03:38:51 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sun Jun 21 13:57:18 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 24 16:35:07 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 24 18:12:26 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Fri Jun 26 04:17:51 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Sat Jun 27 15:20:54 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Jun 29 23:46:52 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 06:14:12 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 12:17:33 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 01:34:27 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Jul 27 19:28:20 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 28 02:21:15 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 28 21:42:17 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 28 23:30:16 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Thu Jul 30 17:20:58 2015
From owner-freebsd-po...@freebsd.org Mon Aug 17 09:09:15 2015
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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Lowell Gilbert]

Adam Weinberger  writes:

>> On 9 Dec, 2017, at 9:27, Adam Weinberger  wrote:
> I'll pass along a tip that I just sent to postmaster@: in the past (for
> other lists @FreeBSD.org), some folks have subscribed to receive the
> list mail at some address, but tried to post from a different address.

For my part, I may have to change my configuration slightly for the
mailbox in which I read this list. But if so, I should have done it
long ago in any case, for more-or-less unrelated reasons.
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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Douglas Thrift]

On 12/9/2017 3:13 PM, Tilman Keskinöz wrote:
> On 12/09/2017 17:27, Adam Weinberger wrote:
>> The po...@freebsd.org (aka freebsd-ports@) mailing list now requires you
>> to subscribe to the list before posting. This brings us two important
>> benefits:
>>
>> * This should cut back tremendously on spam coming through the list.
> 
> I must be living in a parallel universe, checking
> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2017-December/thread.html
> there has been one (1) spam message getting through so far this month.
> That's a really tremendous amount of spam.
> 
>> * Users are more likely to find better answers to their questions: The
>> first three times a question is asked, it gets detailed replies. The
>> fourth through nth times usually get a one sentence reply.
> 
> Is a moderator ensuring that messages from unsubscribed users, who just
> sent a mail to the maintainer of an unmaintained port get through?
> 
> Otherwise we will probably miss a lot of bug reports from Users who
> don't bother to subscribe.
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Even ports with maintainers have a CC for ports@ in the email links at
https://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html.
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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Tilman Keskinöz]

On 12/09/2017 17:27, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> The po...@freebsd.org (aka freebsd-ports@) mailing list now requires you
> to subscribe to the list before posting. This brings us two important
> benefits:
> 
> * This should cut back tremendously on spam coming through the list.

I must be living in a parallel universe, checking
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2017-December/thread.html
there has been one (1) spam message getting through so far this month.
That's a really tremendous amount of spam.

> * Users are more likely to find better answers to their questions: The
> first three times a question is asked, it gets detailed replies. The
> fourth through nth times usually get a one sentence reply.

Is a moderator ensuring that messages from unsubscribed users, who just
sent a mail to the maintainer of an unmaintained port get through?

Otherwise we will probably miss a lot of bug reports from Users who
don't bother to subscribe.
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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Dave Horsfall]

On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Adam Weinberger wrote:


* This should cut back tremendously on spam coming through the list.


Many many thanks!  Now if I can just get some other lists I'm on to see 
the light of day (Debian, I'm looking at you)...


Half-seriously, I'll probably stick with FreeBSD after all now (yes, that 
would've been a major factor in my decision to flee elsewhere).


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Re: The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Adam Weinberger]

On 9 Dec, 2017, at 9:27, Adam Weinberger  wrote:

The po...@freebsd.org (aka freebsd-ports@) mailing list now requires you  
to subscribe to the list before posting. This brings us two important  
benefits:


* This should cut back tremendously on spam coming through the list.

* Users are more likely to find better answers to their questions: The  
first three times a question is asked, it gets detailed replies. The  
fourth through nth times usually get a one sentence reply.


This ONLY affects sending messages to the list. It does NOT affect:
- Receiving messages or replies
- Viewing the archives  
(https://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html)

- Searching the archives

If you have any questions about this, don't hesitate to ask!


From dhw:

I'll pass along a tip that I just sent to postmaster@: in the past (for
other lists @FreeBSD.org), some folks have subscribed to receive the
list mail at some address, but tried to post from a different address.

To mitigate that, my suggestion has usually been for the affected folks
to *also* subscribe for the "posting" address, but use Mailman
facilities to set that subscription to "nomail."



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The ports@ list is now subscriber-post only

[Adam Weinberger]

The po...@freebsd.org (aka freebsd-ports@) mailing list now requires you to  
subscribe to the list before posting. This brings us two important benefits:


* This should cut back tremendously on spam coming through the list.

* Users are more likely to find better answers to their questions: The  
first three times a question is asked, it gets detailed replies. The fourth  
through nth times usually get a one sentence reply.


This ONLY affects sending messages to the list. It does NOT affect:
- Receiving messages or replies
- Viewing the archives (https://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html)
- Searching the archives

If you have any questions about this, don't hesitate to ask!

# Adam


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