Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-25 Thread Royce Williams
Colin, adding you to this thread with proposed patch (two options) for freebsd-update, below. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Honest question, have you been building things from source under debian's ports or are you using their version of pkg? the latter

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-25 Thread Randy Bush
Royce Williams ro...@tycho.org wrote: Colin, adding you to this thread with proposed patch (two options) for freebsd-update, below. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Honest question, have you been building things from source under debian's ports or are

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-25 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 03:29:23PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: Royce Williams ro...@tycho.org wrote: Colin, adding you to this thread with proposed patch (two options) for freebsd-update, below. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Honest question,

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-25 Thread Randy Bush
Use freebsd-update fetch install to update staying in the currently running RELEASE branch. So you just get security updates and errata. ty! ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 23.03.2014 01:18, schrieb Matthew Seaman: PACKAGESITE support in pkg.conf has been dropped entirely in 1.3 which is in alpha at the moment. I need to double check, but that should mean those error messages will go away too. To be blunt, anyone who wants to use FreeBSD for production does

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-23 Thread Lee Dilkie
On 3/22/2014 15:29, Esa Karkkainen wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 03:49:34AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: and i have two 9 systems where i try to use freebsd-update. also a time-consuming rabbit hole leading nowhere pleasant. e.g. # freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.2-RELEASE-p3 Lose the -p3,

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Randy Bush
from another team member, also a long time freebsd user of decades firefox build bombs because something has hardwired gcc47, which is not installed, so firefox's ./configure bombs testing hello world. Attempting to figure out what has hardwired gcc47 quickly leads down an entire

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 3/22/14 11:12 AM, Randy Bush wrote: from another team member, also a long time freebsd user of decades firefox build bombs because something has hardwired gcc47, which is not installed, so firefox's ./configure bombs testing hello world. Attempting to figure out what has

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Randy Bush
What about using pkg(1) and what version of FreeBSD are you on? what about standing on my left foot and chewing gum? you're down in the kinky world where the customer has to spend serious time and energy to get around brokenness in your product. this is a well-known recipe for losing

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 3/22/14 11:19 AM, Randy Bush wrote: What about using pkg(1) and what version of FreeBSD are you on? what about standing on my left foot and chewing gum? you're down in the kinky world where the customer has to spend serious time and energy to get around brokenness in your product. this is

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Randy Bush
I'm nursing a touch of a foul mood too. (The missus and I were out at a birthday party last night a little later than we should have.) sympathies. don't drink, though freebsd ports causes me to reconsider I'm going to gym to shake out the bad attitudes, what are you doing? going back to

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 3/22/14 11:38 AM, Randy Bush wrote: I'm nursing a touch of a foul mood too. (The missus and I were out at a birthday party last night a little later than we should have.) sympathies. don't drink, though freebsd ports causes me to reconsider It might loosen you up! I'm going to gym to

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Randy Bush
Honest question, have you been building things from source under debian's ports or are you using their version of pkg? the latter and i have two 9 systems where i try to use freebsd-update. also a time-consuming rabbit hole leading nowhere pleasant. e.g. # freebsd-update upgrade -r

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote: from another team member, also a long time freebsd user of decades firefox build bombs because something has hardwired gcc47, which is not installed, so firefox's ./configure bombs testing hello world. Attempting to figure out what has

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 3/22/14 11:49 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Honest question, have you been building things from source under debian's ports or are you using their version of pkg? the latter Ok then, well then you should be using pkg if you want to do a fair apples to apples comparison. Otherwise you're

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote: from another team member, also a long time freebsd user of decades firefox build bombs because something has hardwired gcc47, which is not installed, so firefox's

Fwd: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Freddie Cash
Forgot to reply to list. Typos and terseness brought to you by the LG G2 running SlimKat. -- Forwarded message -- From: Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com Date: Mar 22, 2014 12:09 PM Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux To: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com Cc: On Mar 22, 2014 11

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Randy Bush
Ok then, well then you should be using pkg if you want to do a fair apples to apples comparison. as i said, pkg also fails every day in weird and wonderful ways. That is quite annoying! I don't happen to use FreeBSD update, but honestly posting a log of this as a fresh message to the

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Esa Karkkainen
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 03:49:34AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: and i have two 9 systems where i try to use freebsd-update. also a time-consuming rabbit hole leading nowhere pleasant. e.g. # freebsd-update upgrade -r 9.2-RELEASE-p3 Lose the -p3, because freebsd-update will get you to the

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread CyberLeo Kitsana
On 03/22/2014 01:57 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote: snip At least testing branches would be appreciated. Something like ivoras@ suggested two years ago?

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 03/22/14 14:00, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: On 03/22/2014 01:57 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote: snip At least testing branches would be appreciated. Something like ivoras@

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Royce Williams
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: [snip] there will always be a few bugs. otoh, with freebsd ports, there may be a few working paths, but they are damned hard to find. and there is very viable competition. many long time freebsd users are leaving, yes

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 22/03/2014 23:15, Royce Williams wrote: To this day, I still have an 8.3 jail that complains: pkg: PACKAGESITE in pkg.conf is deprecated. Please create a repository configuration file ... but I don't actually have a pkg.conf in that jail, and 'grep -r PACKAGESITE /' yields no hits.

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:19:21 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: What about using pkg(1) and what version of FreeBSD are you on? what about standing on my left foot and chewing gum? you're down in the kinky world where the customer has to spend serious time and energy to get around

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Randy Bush
strange. Whenever I come in touch with Linux, I have the feeling that the people better would have kept Windows on their machine. the first time i logged on to a linux system, i said `ls`, it came out in color, and i walked away. i have been a freebsd lover for a couple of decades, and 4.3

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Chad J. Milios
On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 03/22/14 14:00, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: On 03/22/2014 01:57 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote:

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Chad J. Milios
On Mar 22, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: strange. Whenever I come in touch with Linux, I have the feeling that the people better would have kept Windows on their machine. +1, liked, upvoted, favorited, pinned, retweeted the first time i logged on to a linux system, i

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-22 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:40:36 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: strange. Whenever I come in touch with Linux, I have the feeling that the people better would have kept Windows on their machine. the first time i logged on to a linux system, i said `ls`, it came out in color, and i

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-18 Thread Alfred Perlstein
Ugh, that's a mess, I haven't seen that personally, but I just tend to pull from git, although that takes a long time. Using git lets me keep local changes easily. The other option that works is just using portsnap. I think portsnap auto or portsnap alfred should work for getting your the

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-18 Thread Randy Bush
Ugh, that's a mess, I haven't seen that personally, but I just tend to pull from git, although that takes a long time. Using git lets me keep local changes easily. The other option that works is just using portsnap. I think portsnap auto or portsnap alfred should work for getting your

Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux

2014-03-18 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 3/18/14, 9:56 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Ugh, that's a mess, I haven't seen that personally, but I just tend to pull from git, although that takes a long time. Using git lets me keep local changes easily. The other option that works is just using portsnap. I think portsnap auto or portsnap