On Friday 08 October 2010 01:12:55 Robert Bonomi wrote:
he'll tell you: I need to review the copyright notices, licenses, and
distribution restricions on _each_and_every_ item in that package. Go
check _every_ file you intend to include, bring me a list showing
1) every file name
2)
El 07/10/2010 02:18 a.m., Rob Farmer escribió:
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:38, Gonzalo Nemmigne...@gmail.com wrote:
As a lawyer, no matter how much I review your set up, it´s a _fact_ that a
license place in a place like
/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c, that is to say, lost
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Randal L. Schwartz
mer...@stonehenge.com wrote:
[SNIP]
Or a third alternative... use the ACPI implementation from OpenBSD,
which doesn't have such a restriction.
Port it! I'll test it for you (on 9-CURRENT and, if possible, a
backport to 8-STABLE).
In your
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
Im saying what I already said.
And yet, you haven't really addressed my core point.
Consider the following scenario:
I write a tutorial on how to use GCC (a program originally written in
the US by a US citizen and stills
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
Im saying what I already said.
And yet, you haven't really addressed my core point.
...
My point is ...
If you have a point, then there´s no point
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
Im saying what I already said.
And yet, you haven't really addressed my
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 03:23, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:19, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
If you have a point, then there´s no point in me addressing your point
.. unless you are asking me for legal advice ..
Should that be the case, just let me know; I charge by the hour .. no
pro bono.
Seeing as your messages
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:23:02 +0200
From: Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se
To: Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com
Cc: RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping
export-restricted software in
On 10/07/2010 12:46 PM, Rob Farmer wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:19, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
If you have a point, then there´s no point in me addressing your point
.. unless you are asking me for legal advice ..
Should that be the case, just let me know; I charge by the hour
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:46:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Like it or not,
Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software
in the core
I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and
downright
On 10/7/10 6:47 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:46:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Like it or not,
Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software
in the core
I understand that entirely. Which is why it would
Glen == Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com writes:
Glen Can this thread go away now?
Only when the problem goes away.
Is there a comprehensive list of restrictive sublicenses, or pointers to
same, somewhere prominent at the top of the core distro?
Or maybe some tool that would dynamically
On 7/10/2010 8:23 PM, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote:
I would assume you already did that before walking into my office to
ask me about the set of licenses up for a review ... otherwise,
there´s no way to me to look close enough where I wasn´t asked to look
...
If you go tell your Dr. you have a
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 05:47:23PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
Pure and simple, _if_ there is software involved, there *MAY* be export-
control issues.
*ANYONE* in the business of exporting software _should_ be aware of that
fact, and as a matter of basic 'due diligence' know about _their_
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 7 18:28:10 2010
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:29:46 +1000
From: Danny Carroll f...@dannysplace.net
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Like it or not,
Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted
software in the core
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/178267
And yes, there it is, in /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c:
* 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this
* software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any
*
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 12:40:54 -0700
mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/178267
...
So, is such approval on file with the FreeBSD Foundation?
without first obtaining _any_ _required_ license or other
approval ...
It doesn't say
RW == RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com writes:
RW It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if it's
RW required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's needed if
RW it's needed.
But doesn't this then shift the burden to every exporter, knowing or
unknowing, willing or
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:16:37 -0700
Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com articulated:
RW == RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com writes:
RW It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if
RW it's required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's
RW needed if it's
Jerry == Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net writes:
But doesn't this then shift the burden to every exporter, knowing or
unknowing, willing or unwilling?
Seems like an onerous burden. Is it well-documented?
Jerry Are you familiar with the axiom:
Jerry Ignorantia juris non excusat or
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 02:16:37PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
RW == RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com writes:
RW It doesn't say approval is needed. It says that it's needed if it's
RW required by the appropriate agencies. In other words, it's needed if
RW it's needed.
But doesn't this
Erik == Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se writes:
Erik Since it essentially says that if you export it from the USA you will
Erik have to follow whatever laws and regulations covers such exports, it
Erik doesn't really add any burden since anybody doing such an export would
Erik be legally
El 06/10/2010 08:08 p.m., Randal L. Schwartz escribió:
Erik == Erik Trulssonertr1...@student.uu.se writes:
Erik Since it essentially says that if you export it from the USA you will
Erik have to follow whatever laws and regulations covers such exports, it
Erik doesn't really add any burden
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 14:46, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote:
I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and
downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well
aware of this restriction.
It hadn't occurred to *me* for example to
Rob == Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net writes:
Rob Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't
Rob materially change the situation any.
I agree, it doesn't change it materially.
But for the casual integrator, making it very visible would help.
--
Randal L. Schwartz -
Rob Farmer wrote:
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 14:46, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com
wrote:
I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and
downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well
aware of this restriction.
It hadn't occurred to
Michael Powell wrote:
[snip] export restrictions have to do with acpi? Is
acpi a copyrighted, patented, or trademark otherwise owned by some entity?
Quite possibly so as it is in contrib. I just have no idea who might own
it. Or how it would fall afoul of crypto export restrictions.
Looking
Michael == Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com writes:
Michael I was under the impression that the most onerous of these
Michael export rules and restrictions applied to crypto technology. If
Michael this is so, what I don't quite grasp is what do crypto export
Michael restrictions have to do
On Wednesday 06 October 2010 03:40 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/178267
And yes, there it is, in
/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c:
* 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly,
any of this * software or
Jung-uk == Jung-uk Kim j...@freebsd.org writes:
Jung-uk Please stop the FUD. ACPICA is actually triple-licensed, i.e.,
Jung-uk generic Intel software license, (three-clause) BSD-like license, and
Jung-uk GPLv2.
[...]
Jung-uk Historically FreeBSD never touched the license header. However, I
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:04, Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote:
I was under the impression that the most onerous of these export rules and
restrictions applied to crypto technology. If this is so, what I don't quite
grasp is what do crypto export restrictions have to do with acpi? Is
El 06/10/2010 11:18 p.m., Rob Farmer escribió:
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 14:46, Randal L. Schwartzmer...@stonehenge.com wrote:
I understand that entirely. Which is why it would be reasonable (and
downright ethical) to ensure that every FreeBSD integrator be made well
aware of this restriction.
El 07/10/2010 12:11 a.m., Randal L. Schwartz escribió:
Michael == Michael Powellnightre...@hotmail.com writes:
Michael I was under the impression that the most onerous of these
Michael export rules and restrictions applied to crypto technology. If
Michael this is so, what I don't quite
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:38, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote:
As a lawyer, no matter how much I review your set up, it´s a _fact_ that a
license place in a place like
/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c, that is to say, lost
amongs a gazillion files: _will_ scape any
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:08:35PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Erik == Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se writes:
Erik Since it essentially says that if you export it from the USA you will
Erik have to follow whatever laws and regulations covers such exports, it
Erik doesn't really
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