On Thursday 24 February 2005 12:46 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Mike Hauber writes:
Found the thread... Have you tried installing an older
version?
No, but most of the problems I saw in my research were on 4.x
or older versions. This version (5.3) seems to run fine once
it's up; the
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:26:28 +0100,
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I got the impression that KDE was the one that everyone used.
Which window manager most closely approximates the GUI of traditional
UNIX workstations?
That would be twm. It is (I believe) the original
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:29:52 -0800
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Sandy Rutherford writes:
Do you mean multiple X servers or multiple window managers?
I guess I mean window managers. There's only one X server required, right?
Anyway, you answered my question.
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Mike Hauber writes:
Hmmm... I tend to view a wm about the same way I view win.exe
(not in the disrespectful way, of course) in the respect that
it's real purpose is to provide a pretty point and click menu
system (which I'm not knocking). It's very usefull and
palletable to some,
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Mike Hauber writes:
[...]
Well... There's a lot of options available. Personally, I prefer
something like blackbox for administrative logins. It's _very_
lightweight and (like all things should be), you pretty much
build it from the ground up.
What do you mean by
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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There are so many other WMs
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Robert Kim, Wireless Internet / Wifi Hotspot Advisor writes
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Different OS's? Marketshare...
any idea how many
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Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
What website is this exactly?
My own.
Would you like the stats to show different?
I don't care what they show, as long as they are accurate.
If your site is targeted to Windows users I would expect it
to have a high percentage of hits from Windows.
It's not
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
Note that Linux is doing much better against these measuring sticks
because the Linux community, for all their loud proclamations about
being GPL, has been steadily making Linux less and less
distinguishable from the commercial OSs. When for example was the last
time
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:30:35 -0800
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:21:06 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
Note that Linux is doing much better against these measuring sticks
because the Linux community, for all their loud proclamations about
being GPL, has been steadily making Linux less
Jacob S writes:
You must be looking at a different Linux community than the one I'm
familiar with. I thought boxed sets of Linux had gone out of retail
stores years ago.
I bought a copy of Mandrake Linux in a retail store yesterday. I saw
SuSE in the store, too. Computer stores have a wider
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
There have been a few exceptions. The Slackware site looked pretty
spartan compared to most of the others.
I was converted to FreeBSD from Slackware. If you want to go Linux and
maintain the freedom of configuration you have with FreeBSD (ie, just
edit the text file,
Laurence Sanford writes:
I was converted to FreeBSD from Slackware. If you want to go Linux and
maintain the freedom of configuration you have with FreeBSD (ie, just
edit the text file, which is in a sensable spot) and get ...whatever it
is you hope to get from linux - don't get me wrong,
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:49:55 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jacob S writes:
You must be looking at a different Linux community than the one I'm
familiar with. I thought boxed sets of Linux had gone out of retail
stores years ago.
I bought a copy of Mandrake Linux in
Jacob S writes:
You obviously didn't look at Debian then.
Yes, I did.
As to which will suit your purposes better; why not do a dual boot
between Linux and FreeBSD? They can co-exist happily.
I can't even successfully install a single OS on this machine, much less
two.
I tried to install
Jacob S writes:
Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the
computer store still gets to see an alternative once in a while.
I'm pretty sure I've seen Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, Fedora, and a couple
of other Linux versions in computer stores.
A few years ago, I bought my
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 01:28 pm, you wrote:
I can't even successfully install a single OS on this machine,
much less two.
What kind of problems are you having with FreeBSD? There was a
non-specific mention of errors regarding your hard drive, but
said everything was working ok.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:47 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jacob S writes:
Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the
computer store still gets to see an alternative once in a while.
I'm pretty sure I've seen Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, Fedora, and
On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Jacob S wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:47 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jacob S writes:
Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the
computer store still gets to see an alternative once in a while.
I'm pretty sure I've seen
Mike Hauber writes:
What kind of problems are you having with FreeBSD? There was a
non-specific mention of errors regarding your hard drive, but
said everything was working ok.
I mentioned the main error in a separate thread: After successfully
installing the OS, I simply cannot persuade
Jacob S writes:
So, FreeBSD is vulnerable to this same hypocrasy; where it is sold in
stores but still hailed as a free OS?
The FreeBSD was at an unbeatable price--I think it was only $10 or so,
just a bit more than the packaging cost. That's not the case for Linux,
which I see going for
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:32:50 -0700
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Jacob S wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:47 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jacob S writes:
Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user
On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Jacob S wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:47 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jacob S writes:
Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the
computer store still gets to
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 12:46 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Jacob S writes:
Good. I'm glad to see the average Windows user looking around the
computer store still gets to see an alternative once in a while.
I'm pretty sure I've seen Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, Fedora, and a
couple of
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Does that include X and KDE? I'm getting wild SCSI errors on FreeBSD
trying to install stuff, and I don't really know what that means, but it
doesn't appear to be corrupting anything, and it seems to be installing
software.
Well, I don't use KDE because I don't
Andrew L. Gould writes:
You can still find FreeBSD at Fry's Electronics and MicroCenter. I
don't know if CompUSA still carries it. I have mixed feelings about
FreeBSD 5.0-5.2.1 being sold in the retail market.
How so? Seems like it would be a good idea to me.
I see that one can still
Laurence Sanford writes:
Well, I don't use KDE because I don't particularly like heavyweight
software unless I need it ...
Heavyweight in the sense of resources required, or complexity, or what?
I got the impression that KDE was the one that everyone used.
Which window manager most closely
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:39:08 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jacob S writes:
So, FreeBSD is vulnerable to this same hypocrasy; where it is sold
in stores but still hailed as a free OS?
The FreeBSD was at an unbeatable price--I think it was only $10 or so,
just a bit
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Laurence Sanford writes:
Well, I don't use KDE because I don't particularly like heavyweight
software unless I need it ...
Heavyweight in the sense of resources required, or complexity, or what?
I got the impression that KDE was the one that everyone used.
Which
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:24:36 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrew L. Gould writes:
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Fourth, I appreciate all the hard work that goes into developing and
packaging an operating system and its related applications. I am
happy to pay for the convenience of an operating
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 02:24 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Andrew L. Gould writes:
You can still find FreeBSD at Fry's Electronics and MicroCenter. I
don't know if CompUSA still carries it. I have mixed feelings
about FreeBSD 5.0-5.2.1 being sold in the retail market.
How so?
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
I'm still quite ambivalent about it. I keep wondering if Linux is
different enough and useful enough to be worth dedicating this machine
to it ... or if I should just continue with FreeBSD and install X on the
machine (and KDE, probably, since it seems to be popular,
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 02:34 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Mike Hauber writes:
What kind of problems are you having with FreeBSD? There was
a non-specific mention of errors regarding your hard drive,
but said everything was working ok.
I mentioned the main error in a separate
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Laurence Sanford writes:
Well, I don't use KDE because I don't particularly like heavyweight
software unless I need it ...
Heavyweight in the sense of resources required, or complexity, or what?
I got the impression that KDE was the one that everyone used.
Hmm,
Is it possible to install multiple X servers on the same machine so that
one can fire up whichever one strikes one's fancy at a given time?
I don't see why not, although it'd probably be more common to simply
kill one wm session and start another to save resources. Maybe it's
possible. I
markzero wrote:
Is it possible to install multiple X servers on the same machine so that
one can fire up whichever one strikes one's fancy at a given time?
I don't see why not, although it'd probably be more common to simply
kill one wm session and start another to save resources. Maybe
This is certainly possible. You need to start X via something other than
startx as you must manually set DISPLAY vars. I have run two X servers on
my machine many times - one running a local desktop environment and the
other running a WM from a remote box over SSH (for no particular reason
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
[...] I keep wondering if [...] I should just continue with FreeBSD
and install X on the machine (and KDE, probably, since it seems to be
popular, although I welcome suggestions).
Which window manager is the closest to classic UNIX window managers
Mike Hauber writes:
Found the thread... Have you tried installing an older version?
No, but most of the problems I saw in my research were on 4.x or older
versions. This version (5.3) seems to run fine once it's up; the only
problem is getting the machine to boot it. Also, I'm getting those
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:24:36 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED
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There are so many other WMs. It all depends
Robert Kim, Wireless Internet / Wifi Hotspot Advisor wrote:
Different OS's? Marketshare...
any idea how many major OS's are out there today and what market share
they have?
i think
WIN 70%
Lin 20%
Apple 5%
Where did you get these numbers?
so who is the other 5 % ???
Well, other than *BSD,
Robert Kim, Wireless Internet / Wifi Hotspot Advisor skrev:
Different OS's? Marketshare...
any idea how many major OS's are out there today and what market share
they have?
i think
WIN 70%
Lin 20%
Apple 5%
so who is the other 5 % ???
Well. First of all windows is NOT an operatingsystem, it's
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Robert Kim, Wireless Internet / Wifi Hotspot Advisor skrev:
Different OS's? Marketshare
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 06:01:44PM +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Robert Kim, Wireless Internet / Wifi Hotspot Advisor skrev:
Different OS's? Marketshare...
any idea how many major OS's are out there today and what market share
they have?
i think
WIN 70%
Lin 20%
Apple 5%
so who is
Robert Kim, Wireless Internet / Wifi Hotspot Advisor writes:
any idea how many major OS's are out there today and what market share
they have?
Fresh stats from my Web server:
Windows . . . . . . . . . . 93.5118 %
Macintosh . . . . . . . . . 4.7794 %
Unknown . . . . . . . . . . 1.2731 %
Of Anthony
Atkielski
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Robert Kim, Wireless Internet / Wifi Hotspot Advisor writes:
any idea how many major OS's are out there today and what market share
they have?
Fresh stats from
: Wood, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Different OS's? Marketshare
Here is a link to some stats for WebServers
http://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.php
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