RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RW Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:40 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD? On Wednesday 21 September 2005 19:00, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Tuesday 20 September

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-22 Thread RW
On Wednesday 21 September 2005 19:00, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Tuesday 20 September 2005 14:52, Ashley Moran wrote: RW wrote: Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies to specify MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard. I have never gotten grief

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-22 Thread Bob Middaugh
: IE in FreeBSD? On Wednesday 21 September 2005 19:00, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Tuesday 20 September 2005 14:52, Ashley Moran wrote: RW wrote: Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies to specify MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-21 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Frank Jahnke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:33 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: IE in FreeBSD? One example: how do you suggest that complex forms in PDF format

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-21 Thread RW
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 15:50, Dimitar Vasilev wrote: If you use openoffice and then export to PDF it ok. If you're able to write your resume in PostScript and then convert it to PDF that would be perfect solution. Regards, You are missing the point. I'm not asking for advice about how

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-21 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RW Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 7:25 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD? On Tuesday 20 September 2005 14:52, Ashley Moran wrote: RW wrote: For example, if you

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-21 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:12 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD? Sorry, that was a bit harsh to Frank. I was talking primarily of Ted since he

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-21 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frank Jahnke Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:47 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mario Hoerich; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: IE in FreeBSD? Uh, Ted? It really is customary

Re: IE in FreeBSD

2005-09-21 Thread Frank Jahnke
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 14:52, Ashley Moran wrote: Why not submit your CV as a PDF? Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies to specify MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard. I have never gotten grief when I tell the recruiter that I do not

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread RW
On Thursday 15 September 2005 02:28, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: As a result the existence of these programs discourages interest in native FreeBSD programs, and encourages people not to wholeheartedly switch over to FreeBSD. That would be true if you could download any windows software, run the

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread Ashley Moran
RW wrote: However bad wine is for day to day use, and however good the native alternatives get, there remain occasions when it is essential to use an industry-standard Microsoft application. For example, if you are applying for a job, you have to check that your cv/resume views correctly on a

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread RW
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 14:52, Ashley Moran wrote: RW wrote: For example, if you are applying for a job, you have to check that your cv/resume views correctly on a real microsoft word. Why not submit your CV as a PDF? Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies to

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread Dimitar Vasilev
If you use openoffice and then export to PDF it ok. If you're able to write your resume in PostScript and then convert it to PDF that would be perfect solution. Regards, -- Димитър Василев Dimitar Vassilev ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread jonas
hi! On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:24:38 +0100 RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies to specify MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard. this may be a bit offtopic :) ... but i think we agree that this situation is not good. is there any

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread Dimitar Vasilev
The standarts we are speaking are per company basis - e.g. West European governments are slightly shifting to Linux as a desktop, while others strictly mention what formats of resumes they accept on their recruitment sites. In most cases of big companies I have seen, they say that prefer HTML or

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread Michael W. Holdeman
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 11:19 am, jonas wrote: hi! On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:24:38 +0100 RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies to specify MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard. this may be a bit offtopic :) ... but i think

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-20 Thread Kevin Kinsey
jonas wrote: hi! On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:24:38 +0100 RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it's common for companies and recruitment agencies to specify MS Word documents only. It's a de facto standard. this may be a bit offtopic :) ... but i think we agree that this situation is not

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-19 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Mario Hoerich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:07 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD? # Ted Mittelstaedt: # On Behalf Of Frank Jahnke filled

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-19 Thread Frank Jahnke
On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 10:58 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: And as for basic apps like wordprocessors and such - well I have to remind you that you yourself already argued in a previous post that this entire scenario of yours that your talking about here specifically dealt with apps that are

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-19 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, Garrett Cooper wrote: Frank Jahnke wrote: On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 10:58 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: And as for basic apps like wordprocessors and such - well I have to remind you that you yourself already argued in a previous post that this entire scenario of yours

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-18 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P.U.Kruppa Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:44 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Garrett Cooper; FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: IE in FreeBSD? On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: My opinion on WINE

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-18 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frank Jahnke Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:58 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: IE in FreeBSD? An alternative always exists. It depends on how

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-18 Thread Mario Hoerich
# Ted Mittelstaedt: # On Behalf Of Frank Jahnke filled out and saved on a FreeBSD system? PDF doesn't belong in complex forms that are filled out online. I use PDF at my job and we use it for one use only - contracts. A contract must be in paper with a human's signature on it to have

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-18 Thread Frank Jahnke
One example: how do you suggest that complex forms in PDF format are filled out and saved on a FreeBSD system? PDF doesn't belong in complex forms that are filled out online. I didn't say these were filled on on line -- that can be done just fine with OSS or the free Adobe Reader

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-16 Thread Frank Jahnke
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 22:12 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: My opinion on WINE is that it merely harms people who are writing software for FreeBSD. I often hear this said, but I don't think it is true. I saw this kill OS/2. I ran OS/2 exclusively as a desktop OS for a number of

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-15 Thread Karel Miklav
Yuan Jue wrote: Does anybody successfully run Internet Explorer under Wine in FreeBSD? What should I do to get it run? Any suggestion will be appreciated. I recommend qemu emulator too. It's easy to install, you get native platform and it's not that slow (even usable on a 366MHz notebook).

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-15 Thread Frank Jahnke
My opinion on WINE is that it merely harms people who are writing software for FreeBSD. If I write a wordprocessor for Linux or FreeBSD and try to sell it, why would a customer buy it when he can just use his Microsoft Word under Wine? As a result the existence of these programs

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-15 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sep 15, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Frank Jahnke wrote: My opinion on WINE is that it merely harms people who are writing software for FreeBSD. If I write a wordprocessor for Linux or FreeBSD and try to sell it, why would a customer buy it when he can just use his Microsoft Word under Wine?

Re: IE in FreeBSD

2005-09-15 Thread Frank Jahnke
Sorry I can't continue this as a thread -- I get this as a digest and unless I'm copied, I can't. My opinion on WINE is that it merely harms people who are writing software for FreeBSD. If I write a wordprocessor for Linux or FreeBSD and try to sell it, why would a customer buy it when he

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-15 Thread Michael W. Holdeman
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 11:21 pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Let's quit beating around the bush, shall we? The only vendor that custom tailors their content to IE and who will not correct gross HTML coding errors on their website and in their products is Microsoft. Everybody else, if

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-15 Thread P.U.Kruppa
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:40 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD? On Sep 14, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I run it in a window under the remote desktop port. Of course you need a real windows box somewhere

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-15 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Frank Jahnke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: IE in FreeBSD? My opinion on WINE is that it merely harms people who are writing software

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Yuan Jue
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 23:46, Matt Kosht wrote: Does anybody successfully run Internet Explorer under Wine in FreeBSD? What should I do to get it run? Any suggestion will be appreciated. I would suggest instead of Wine using an RDP client (rdesktop in ports for example) and run IE

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Mark Kane
Yuan Jue wrote: Hello, all Does anybody successfully run Internet Explorer under Wine in FreeBSD? What should I do to get it run? Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thanks. I don't know if you've already seen this, but the WINE Application DB may have info on how others got it to run:

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:55:25PM +0800, Yuan Jue wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 23:46, Matt Kosht wrote: Does anybody successfully run Internet Explorer under Wine in FreeBSD? What should I do to get it run? Any suggestion will be appreciated. I would suggest instead of Wine

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I run it in a window under the remote desktop port. Of course you need a real windows box somewhere... Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Yuan Jue Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: IE in

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sep 14, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I run it in a window under the remote desktop port. Of course you need a real windows box somewhere... Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Yuan Jue Sent: Wednesday, September 14,

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:40 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD? On Sep 14, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I run it in a window under the remote desktop port. Of course you need a real windows box

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Eric Schuele
Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:55:25PM +0800, Yuan Jue wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 23:46, Matt Kosht wrote: Does anybody successfully run Internet Explorer under Wine in FreeBSD? What should I do to get it run? Any suggestion will be appreciated. I would suggest

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sep 14, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Eric Schuele wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:55:25PM +0800, Yuan Jue wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 23:46, Matt Kosht wrote: Does anybody successfully run Internet Explorer under Wine in FreeBSD? What should I do to get it run?

Re: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Roger Merritt
At 19:22 14/9/2005 -0700, Garret Cooper wrote: On Sep 14, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Eric Schuele wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:55:25PM +0800, Yuan Jue wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 23:46, Matt Kosht wrote: Does anybody successfully run Internet Explorer under

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger Merritt Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:09 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IE in FreeBSD? At 19:22 14/9/2005 -0700, Garret Cooper wrote: You don't mention *why* you need IE

RE: IE in FreeBSD?

2005-09-14 Thread Frank Jahnke
There is also a petition circulating to encourage CodeWeavers to port their CrossOver Office product to BSD. It should be able to run IE. Not tomorrow, mind you, but soon (if the petition and its follow-on efforts succeed, and I think it will). Please sign if this might help you. The petition