Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-31 Thread Matthew Seaman
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: The RAID card itself may have a BBU, so during loss of power any cached data *on the card* will be attempt to be flushed to disk... except the PC (including hard disks -- unless they're powered from some other source) is already down/offline by this point. And let's not

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-30 Thread Rich Winkel
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 07:49:00PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote: Given that you don't have a BBU, what is the status of write caching on the individual hard drives? You'll have to use 3dm2 or the CLI equivalent to investigate this, as the RAID controller tends to hide that level of

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-30 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 06:12:07PM -0500, Rich Winkel wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 07:49:00PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote: Given that you don't have a BBU, what is the status of write caching on the individual hard drives? You'll have to use 3dm2 or the CLI equivalent to investigate

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-30 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:38:49PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: ... In this scenario, write caching on the disks is usually done by the controller itself (through a BIOS option), and not by FreeBSD. This should have read: ... usually enabled/disabled by the controller itself. :-) Sorry if

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-30 Thread Rich Winkel
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:38:49PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 06:12:07PM -0500, Rich Winkel wrote: Doesn't hw.ata.wc affect only card-level caching? hw.ata.wc causes the ata(4) subsystem to disable write caching on all disks attached to the subsystem. It does not

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-30 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 08:41:59PM -0500, Rich Winkel wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 04:38:49PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 06:12:07PM -0500, Rich Winkel wrote: Doesn't hw.ata.wc affect only card-level caching? hw.ata.wc causes the ata(4) subsystem to disable

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-30 Thread Rich Winkel
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 07:33:47PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: One of the main functions of softupdates is to order disk updates in such a way that the fs organizational integrity is maintained at all times. And we've recently found that this is simply not the case. The benefits of SU

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-30 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:05:43PM -0500, Rich Winkel wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 07:33:47PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: One of the main functions of softupdates is to order disk updates in such a way that the fs organizational integrity is maintained at all times. And we've

Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-29 Thread Rich Fairbanks
Hi, I'm new to FreeBSD (and UNIX in general), and I have read through the handbook and various websites to gain some insight on this question, but haven't found a concrete solution yet, and I'm hoping you guys can help. I'm wanting to build a FreeBSD 7.0 based file server for a small/medium

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-29 Thread Matthew Seaman
Rich Fairbanks wrote: Now, this is how I set up the array. I installed the card, popped in the drives. The card bios found the drives and allowed me to setup in RAID 5. Then, FreeBSD booted and found the disk as da0. I want the entire array to be one big chunk of space. In other words, I don't

Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-29 Thread Josh Paetzel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Seaman wrote: Rich Fairbanks wrote: Now, this is how I set up the array. I installed the card, popped in the drives. The card bios found the drives and allowed me to setup in RAID 5. Then, FreeBSD booted and found the disk as da0. I want

Raid question

2007-03-21 Thread Me
I currently have an Adaptec 2010S raid card and want to upgrade to a 2120S raid card. Any one know how to do this with out wiping out the data on the hard drive? Im currently running FreeBSD 4.10 and have both DPT and AAC drivers in my kernel Thanks

A snapshot-related FFS panic and a Mylex RAID question

2005-12-05 Thread Jan Srzednicki
Hi, I'm running FreeBSD 5.4-R with the official maintenance patches. I've recently encountered the following issue while doing 'dump -L' of an partition: kernel: panic: snapacct_ufs2: bad block That's pretty all I've got, because my Mylex controller doesn't want to be a dump device: [16:51]

ASUS A8N-SLI raid Question

2005-11-05 Thread Martin McCann
Hi all, I've recently updated to 64 bit (spending way to much money in the process!) and want to get freebsd 6.0 64 bit installed. I am running windows 64 on it (the main reason for the upgrade was games) so it will be dual boot. I have freebsd on a 32 bit system on a kvm switch, so it is

Re: ASUS A8N-SLI raid Question

2005-11-05 Thread jason henson
Martin McCann wrote: Hi all, I've recently updated to 64 bit (spending way to much money in the process!) and want to get freebsd 6.0 64 bit installed. I am running windows 64 on it (the main reason for the upgrade was games) so it will be dual boot. I have freebsd on a 32 bit system on a

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sandy Rutherford Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:09 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Alex Zbyslaw Subject: RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ) On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:00:09 -0700

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-23 Thread Sandy Rutherford
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:37:20 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seagate wrote a paper on this titled: Seagate Technology Paper 338.1 Estimating Drive Reliability in Desktop Computers and Consumer Electronic Systems that explains how they define MTBF. Basically, they

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sandy Rutherford Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:15 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ) On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:37:20 -0700, Ted

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-22 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sandy Rutherford Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:16 PM To: Alex Zbyslaw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ) On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:36:32 +0100

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-22 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P.U.Kruppa Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:28 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: P.U.Kruppa; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ) As for knowing if a disk has failed, I think

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-22 Thread Sandy Rutherford
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:00:09 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: With a RAID-1 card, mirroring, there are 2 ways to setup reads. The first way makes the assumption that you are mirroring purely for fault tolerance. In that case you would NOT see a ANY read from the second

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Bertrand
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P.U.Kruppa Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:28 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: P.U.Kruppa; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ) On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Ted

Re: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-22 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Steve Bertrand wrote: I know this technique isn't feasable in all situations, but I try to have duplicate hardware. Especially with my IDE RAID1 servers, I'll from time to time during a maintenance window pop one of the RAID disks out, throw it in another box and ensure BOTH machines boot up

Re: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-21 Thread Sandy Rutherford
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:36:32 +0100, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Sandy Rutherford Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:52 PM In order to boost read performance, a RAID card should interleave reading from a RAID-1 volume by reading alternately from

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sandy Rutherford Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:52 PM In order to boost read performance, a RAID card should interleave reading from a RAID-1 volume by reading alternately from one drive and then the other.

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-20 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P.U.Kruppa Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:37 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: P.U.Kruppa; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ) On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote

Re: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-20 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Sandy Rutherford Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:52 PM In order to boost read performance, a RAID card should interleave reading from a RAID-1 volume by reading alternately from one drive and then the other. You can see this in alternate blinking of the activity

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-20 Thread P.U.Kruppa
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What model of Proliant? ML 350 G4 Oh good, we have a customer that has been looking at one of these for FreeBSD and I'm glad to hear that you didn't have problems with it. Absolutely smooth - and I

Re: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-19 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
P.U.Kruppa wrote: our school has just received a new HP ProLiant and I set up FreeBSD 5.4 -RELEASE with a RAID 1 system on it (using ciss driver). Is there any software tool which can show me the state of the two SCSI discs (if one is failing or if they are mirrored sorrectly) or is it

Re: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-19 Thread P.U.Kruppa
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: P.U.Kruppa wrote: our school has just received a new HP ProLiant and I set up FreeBSD 5.4 -RELEASE with a RAID 1 system on it (using ciss driver). Is there any software tool which can show me the state of the two SCSI discs (if one is failing or if

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-19 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
What model of Proliant? Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P.U.Kruppa Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:56 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ) Hi everbody, our school has just received a new HP

RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-19 Thread P.U.Kruppa
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What model of Proliant? ML 350 G4 Uli. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P.U.Kruppa Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:56 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Yet another RAID

Re: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-19 Thread Sandy Rutherford
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:28:14 +0100, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A word of caution, though. A Linux system (which I help administer) had two SCSI disks mounted as RAID-1 through some kind of Adaptec controller. Recently the machine crashed and it transpires that one of the

Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

2005-06-18 Thread P.U.Kruppa
Hi everbody, our school has just received a new HP ProLiant and I set up FreeBSD 5.4 -RELEASE with a RAID 1 system on it (using ciss driver). Is there any software tool which can show me the state of the two SCSI discs (if one is failing or if they are mirrored sorrectly) or is it sufficient

Hardware Raid question

2005-01-18 Thread Jason Lieurance
Hello, I have a 5.2 FBSD system with a highpoint ATA raid controller and 2 x WD 200 ATA HD's. I created a Raid 1 array in the HP bios. dmesg output: ad4: 194481MB Maxtor 6B200P0 [395136/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA133 GEOM: create disk ad6 dp=0xc485b860 ad6: 194481MB Maxtor 6B200P0 [395136/16/63]

Re: Hardware Raid question

2005-01-18 Thread Mike Woods
Jason Lieurance wrote: I installed everything on 'ad4' but it I think I wanted to install it to 'ar0'. Am I right? Thanks. Yep, ar is the Atapi Raid driver, ad is just the individual disk :) -- Mike Woods IT Technician ___

Re: Hardware Raid question

2005-01-18 Thread Mike Woods
Mike Woods wrote: Yep, ar is the Atapi Raid driver, ad is just the individual disk :) s/Atapi/ata/ Less haste, more coffee, the key to better typing. -- Mike Woods IT Technician ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Hardware Raid question

2005-01-18 Thread Jason Lieurance
Mike Woods said: Jason Lieurance wrote: I installed everything on 'ad4' but it I think I wanted to install it to 'ar0'. Am I right? Thanks. Yep, ar is the Atapi Raid driver, ad is just the individual disk :) -- Mike Woods IT Technician Why does the os even detect the

Re: Hardware Raid question

2005-01-18 Thread Mike Woods
Why does the os even detect the individual drives when the raid card made it a single drive and the os install is after the raid bios??? Because the chipset provides means to control both single disks and arrays thus you get both, just the way that card chose to do things :) - Mike

Re: Hardware Raid question

2005-01-18 Thread Karl Denninger
On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:58:59PM +, Mike Woods wrote: Why does the os even detect the individual drives when the raid card made it a single drive and the os install is after the raid bios??? Because the chipset provides means to control both single disks and arrays thus you get

quick raid question

2003-07-19 Thread romero3000
Are there any SCSI raid controllers that have real-time array rebuild capabilities/tools for FreeBSD?? All of the ones I have used so far require reboot for rebuilding/modifying. Also are there any good tools for monitoring RAID Arrays??? ___ [EMAIL