Re: clicky driver

2009-12-27 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 02:11:55AM -0500, b. f. wrote: Anybody know how I can redirect the beep to my speakers? I miss the confirmation that vi/vim puts out. Outside of X, our kbdcontrol(1) offers pitch and duration (but not volume) control for the console bell via the -b

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-27 Thread b. f.
On 12/27/09, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 02:11:55AM -0500, b. f. wrote: A BEL-per-key drove me beyond the limits back in '99; that isn't the answer, but to key a truncated bell, a click, at something well below middle-C: yes, this kind of

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-27 Thread Ian Smith
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:34 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 01:19:49AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:22 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: [..] Wow; the stuff I've never heard about:-) --I just tried spkrtest and

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-27 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 07:54:02PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:34 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 01:19:49AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:22 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: [..] Wow; the stuff I've never

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-27 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 03:18:51AM -0500, b. f. wrote: On 12/27/09, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 02:11:55AM -0500, b. f. wrote: A BEL-per-key drove me beyond the limits back in '99; that isn't the answer, but to key a truncated bell, a click, at

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Matthew Seaman
Gary Kline wrote: The short answer [Guess] is no, I dont think so. If getting the keys to have an auditory feedback with beeps or shorter clicks were that easy, it would have been done after 15 years. Even Linux lacks this--and I'd bet Minux too. Uh, it was done

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Nick Barnes
At 2009-12-26 09:36:14+, Matthew Seaman writes: Uh, it was done years ago. Look at the xset(1) manual page -- there are options there to turn on key-click. They've been there since before the millennium as I recall. Most people find key-click intensely annoying (even more so if it's on

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Polytropon
//* OFFLIST On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:50:48 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:53:43PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:37:13 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: There are a few who actually *do* have text-only pages. And fewer do

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:43:56 +0100, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:47:49PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: Nothing tactile, and because neither Linux nor BSD has an audio click, not even that. Sun does have a command line It should. The X window system

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:22 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: What I've got to do is pick up where I kwit ten years ago with the kernel driver code and drop the the code to make the speaker-audio create tiny, brief clicks, preferably low, thunky sounds like ye

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:01:07 +0100, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: //* OFFLIST Sorry, hit the wrong button - I hope it doesn't bother anyone. If it does, don't read it. Outdoor concert will start today at 3 p.m., but if it rains a 3 p.m., we'll already begin at 1 p.m. :-) -- Polytropon

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Ian Smith
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:22 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 01:10:45AM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:37:13 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: at first I'm lookings for a cots (commericial,

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 09:36:14AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote: Gary Kline wrote: The short answer [Guess] is no, I dont think so. If getting the keys to have an auditory feedback with beeps or shorter clicks were that easy, it would have been done after 15 years. Even Linux

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 01:14:46PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:22 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: What I've got to do is pick up where I kwit ten years ago with the kernel driver code and drop the the code to make the speaker-audio create tiny,

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:42:33 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Oh, yeah. In the late 80's when I joined my Nth startup and worked with several fellow hackers in a large room, my Sun was the only one with the click turned on. It drove my fellow programmers nuts,

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 01:19:49AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:22 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 01:10:45AM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:37:13 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:34 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Thanks! I just listened to the opening few notes of Star Trek [!] But very faint and I don't know if the dinky BEL is a chip or a real speaker. You can determine it easily: If you plug something into

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 01:18:48PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:01:07 +0100, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: //* OFFLIST Sorry, hit the wrong button - I hope it doesn't bother anyone. If it does, don't read it. Ja vohl; I caught it. 'Most everybody know my

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 03:07:34PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 01:19:49AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:22 -0800 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 01:10:45AM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Fri,

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-26 Thread b. f.
Anybody know how I can redirect the beep to my speakers? I miss the confirmation that vi/vim puts out. Outside of X, our kbdcontrol(1) offers pitch and duration (but not volume) control for the console bell via the -b flag. The volume is often dependent upon the hardware and/or

clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Gary Kline
People, Some of you know that I've been working on a speech-computer: a small, easily portable computer than virtually anyone can afford. (To be fair, there is a touchscreen device that uses Windows. If you have at least $9,000 to spend.] I

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:47:49 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: If someone in the kernel-side would work with me and add the Audio click, I will look at some of the netbooks to see how usable they are. One problem might occur when the desired device doesn't have a

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:01:31PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:47:49 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: If someone in the kernel-side would work with me and add the Audio click, I will look at some of the netbooks to see how usable they are. One

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:37:13 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: at first I'm lookings for a cots (commericial, off-the-shelf) solution. The XO has stereo speakers and so do the notebooks. I am thinking of the 'PC speaker'; something that would sound for

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:53:43PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:37:13 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: at first I'm lookings for a cots (commericial, off-the-shelf) solution. The XO has stereo speakers and so do the notebooks. I am thinking of the

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Chris Whitehouse
Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:37:13 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: at first I'm lookings for a cots (commericial, off-the-shelf) solution. The XO has stereo speakers and so do the notebooks. I am thinking of the 'PC speaker'; something that would sound for

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:47:49PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: Nothing tactile, and because neither Linux nor BSD has an audio click, not even that. Sun does have a command line It should. The X window system provides a way to get keyclicks with xset(1). The command 'xset c 100'

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 01:10:45AM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:37:13 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: at first I'm lookings for a cots (commericial, off-the-shelf) solution. The XO has stereo speakers and so do the notebooks. I

Re: clicky driver

2009-12-25 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 02:43:56AM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:47:49PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: Nothing tactile, and because neither Linux nor BSD has an audio click, not even that. Sun does have a command line It should. The X window system provides a