Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Monday 23 July 2012 17:48:50 Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:02:56 -0700 (PDT) > Jakub Lach articulated: > > > What I previously meant is that I had such pendrive, that > > without former formatting in Windows, didn't even show > > up as device in FreeBSD- was completely useless. >

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
What I previously meant is that I had such pendrive, that without former formatting in Windows, didn't even show up as device in FreeBSD- was completely useless. the result of XXI century "way" of programming - flash translator firmware in that case. They don't even read specs about USB stora

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Format without partition table? yes. Windows recognizes it properly except Win98/95 (which doesn't work with large USB drives anyway). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsu

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
However, after formatting it in Windows why duplicate it again in FreeBSD? It serves no purpose that I am aware of. By the way, it is too bad that FreeBSD is not able to take advantage of the "exFat" format fusefs-exfat in ports still i don't really care, i would reformat in as FAT32 anyway. _

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Jakub Lach
> However, after formatting it in Windows why duplicate it again in > FreeBSD? Just to check if it works as should, also trim sectors and whatever. Format without partition table? But in this case, no 1 reason was probably most important. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Jakub Lach articulated: > What I previously meant is that I had such pendrive, that > without former formatting in Windows, didn't even show > up as device in FreeBSD- was completely useless. > > That does not mean I didn't newfs_msdosfsed it after > tha

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Jakub Lach
> i have never seen USB 2.0 exceeding 35MB/s write and 40MB/s read. That means I essentially got what I wanted- as high read output as possible on USB 2.0. Thanks. Indeed 35MB/s-40MB/s is common reported maximum throughput. > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=64k count=1 > newfs_msdosfs /dev/da0

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
And USB 2.0 hard limit is 60MB/s. i have never seen USB 2.0 exceeding 35MB/s write and 40MB/s read. even when connecting SATA disk over USB-SATA bridge. 60MB/s is wire speed. USB have enormous protocol overhead. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org maili

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=1 to 15M runs, 13-14MB/s from actual files copied in mc to flash and 36-39MB/s file copied from flash to hdd in mc. dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/zero bs=15m gives 33MB/s read. and this is incredibly high as of any pendrive. Consider few things: - pendrive flash mappe

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Jakub Lach
Apparently my speeds are pretty decent, as this this advertised speed relates to read speed, and write one is pretty weak. People are reporting 62-70MB/s read and 17-31MB/s write. Are you saying that disk clearly bumping from 40MB/s read barrier (as I saw in midnight commander is my imagina

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Jakub Lach wrote: > Speaking of misunderstanding, that's certainly > possible. > > How much overhead is "normal" and alternatively, > why in FreeBSD USB 2.0 reports as "40MB/s" and > not other arbitrary number. > The overhead includes many different things includ

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Jakub Lach
Speaking of misunderstanding, that's certainly possible. How much overhead is "normal" and alternatively, why in FreeBSD USB 2.0 reports as "40MB/s" and not other arbitrary number. I hope I didn't sound like "PLEASE HELP I WANT USB 3.0 SPEEDS ON USB 2.0"... -- View this message in context

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jakub Lach wrote: > Hi, > > I was fortunate enough to buy USB 3.0 pendrive, > which actually works with FreeBSD just ripped from > package! (normal _empty_ FAT filesystem, no > garbageware added, no need to format). > > It actually bounces from 40MB/s limit when r

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Jakub Lach
18MB/s write is figure from few dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=1 to 15M runs, 13-14MB/s from actual files copied in mc to flash and 36-39MB/s file copied from flash to hdd in mc. dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/zero bs=15m gives 33MB/s read. Speaking of advertisements, yes I know but USB 3.0 drives w

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
which actually works with FreeBSD just ripped from package! (normal _empty_ FAT filesystem, no garbageware added, no need to format). zero difference. newfs_msdos take a moment. It actually bounces from 40MB/s limit when reading from it. Writing is about 18MB/s. Device is supposed to be "467

Re: "da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Jakub Lach
This could be deducted, but I will add for clarity, that I bought USB 3.0 pendrive to use in 2.0 port, to take advantage of 2.0 to the fullest (as 2.0 pendrives have slow flashes inside). -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/da0-40-000MB-s-transfers-What-was-r

"da0: 40.000MB/s transfers" What was rationale behind pegging USB 2.0 at 40MB/s?

2012-07-22 Thread Jakub Lach
Hi, I was fortunate enough to buy USB 3.0 pendrive, which actually works with FreeBSD just ripped from package! (normal _empty_ FAT filesystem, no garbageware added, no need to format). It actually bounces from 40MB/s limit when reading from it. Writing is about 18MB/s. Device is supposed to