fsck -y and SU+J

2013-05-01 Thread RW
I see that if you run fsck on a filesystem with SU+J turned-on, fsck asks whether you want to use the journal. This causes a problem when running fsck -y. The traditional meaning of this command was: do a thorough, unconditional, non-interactive check; but now SU+J filesystems only get a journal

fsck can't determine fstype

2013-01-16 Thread Robert Huff
2012 amd64 gpart show identifies it as ad1 with partition 2 as type freebsd-ufs and label g_user. However: fsck /dev/ad1p2 fsck: could not determine filesystem type Adding -t ufs produces: huff@ fsck -t ufs /ad1p2 ** /dev/ad1p2 ** Last Mounted on /usr ** Phase 1 - Check

Re: fsck can't determine fstype

2013-01-16 Thread Waitman Gobble
to a system running: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Dec 30 12:52:09 EST 2012 amd64 gpart show identifies it as ad1 with partition 2 as type freebsd-ufs and label g_user. However: fsck /dev/ad1p2 fsck: could not determine filesystem type Adding -t ufs produces: huff

Re: How is zfs file system known in fsck?

2012-11-18 Thread Eric S Pulley
--On November 18, 2012 10:38:43 AM -0500 Lynn Steven Killingsworth blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi FreeBSD - On my PC-BSD 9.1 RC3 I need to run fsck on my internal storage drive. I would like to use I think: fsck -y -F -t ufs /dev The question is what should I place

Re: fsck not working on messed-up file system

2012-09-20 Thread Thomas Mueller
* PLEASE RERUN FSCK * Script done on Wed Sep 19 04:17:27 2012 Would this indicate a software bug, or is my Western Digital Caviar Green 3 TB hard drive failing? Either something was referencing sectors off the end of the disc, or the drive is failing. I'd be inclined

fsck not working on messed-up file system

2012-09-19 Thread Thomas Mueller
to do there. Choosing reset did not provide clean file-system unmount. I had to run fsck /dev/ada0p9 on the reboot, got unreadable sectors and eventually a prompt to run fsck again. I did this but got to an infinite loop, where I got the same prompt again to run fsck again, with the same

Re: fsck not working on messed-up file system

2012-09-19 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
, 4638292 used, 21162419 free (61643 frags, 2637597 blocks, 0.2% fragmentation) * FILE SYSTEM STILL DIRTY * * PLEASE RERUN FSCK * Script done on Wed Sep 19 04:17:27 2012 Would this indicate a software bug, or is my Western Digital Caviar Green 3 TB hard drive failing

Re: fsck not working on messed-up file system

2012-09-19 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:05:06 -0400 Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com wrote: Script started on Wed Sep 19 04:15:02 2012 fsck_ffs /dev/ada0p9 just to make sure: the partition was not mounted when you started fsck? Now I wonder if the file system is really fixed, with possibly some

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-18 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 23:53:55 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: Hmmm: acpi0: 030811 XSDT1017 on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: reservation of fec0, 1000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of fee0, 1000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of ffb8, 8 (3) failed acpi0:

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-18 Thread Bruce Cran
On 18/08/2012 07:09, Polytropon wrote: A can only guess: It probably means that the button is fixed (mounted) in the machine, e. g. at the front panel. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface : ACPI-compliant systems interact with hardware through

fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-17 Thread Gary Aitken
When my system hangs and I have to force it to power cycle, I sometimes have some fsck issues. So some questions: 1. It appears to me that the file system (ufs) is not writing stuff out when things are idle. If I do a sync manually and leave the machine idle and it crashes later, it comes

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-17 Thread Polytropon
, it often comes up needing fsck. Is there a way to configure the filesystem to cache but still write cached stuff at low priority? Note that even if the OS orders a data write, it's up to the disk driver to actually tell the disk to do it. And the disk then _has_ to do it. There is no real

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-17 Thread Gary Aitken
option? How does that work? sounds like magic of some sort... Or is this a whole login sequence with the shutdown at the end? Reboot did a deferred fsck. Is this intended? Personally, I'd rather wait some time to boot in a fully checked file system environment then dealing

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-17 Thread Polytropon
... Or is this a whole login sequence with the shutdown at the end? No, it's a system action using ACPI. No magic involved. :-) Reboot did a deferred fsck. Is this intended? Personally, I'd rather wait some time to boot in a fully checked file system environment then dealing

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-17 Thread Gary Aitken
On 08/17/12 21:17, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:44:10 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: On 08/17/12 19:05, Polytropon wrote: 2. When my machine hung (could not rlogin or ping), I powered off and rebooted. Does the machine have a soft power button and it is configured to issue a

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-17 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 22:14:47 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: On 08/17/12 21:17, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:44:10 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: On 08/17/12 19:05, Polytropon wrote: 2. When my machine hung (could not rlogin or ping), I powered off and rebooted. Does the machine

Re: fsck recoveries, configuration

2012-08-17 Thread Gary Aitken
On 08/17/12 22:23, Polytropon wrote: Also check the BIOS setup. In most cases, the default configuration will assign the button press to a soft power down, raising the proper signal via ACPI. You can also check dmesg's output: acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 acpi_button1:

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-23 Thread perryh
Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: MSDOS/PCDOS had no _documented_ functions to directly access the disks, bypassing the file system, but the functions _did_ exist. I'm sure you can provide the DOS 'function number' for those calls, and cites to published data confirming. They

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I could have provided specifics 25 years ago :) when I was involved with this stuff on a daily basis. I have no idea whether it was same as me. still it is off topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Thomas Mueller
Regarding the security of various methods of deleting data, I just saw in Office Depot's online ad for the coming week, which is the reason I couldn't post this any earlier: Need to discard an old PC but worried about protecting your identity? Let us securely erase your personal files and

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:52:17 -0400 From: Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Regarding the security of various methods of deleting data, I just saw in Office Depot's online ad for the coming week, which is the reason I couldn't post this any

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Duane Hill
Personally, I've always used a product from http://www.jetico.com/. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 at 17:06:04 UTC, g...@ross.cx confabulated: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:08:56 +0200, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 22/07/2012 16:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M'

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On 22/07/2012 17:14, Polytropon wrote: Furthermore, in your example using Cygnwin's dd _on_ the disk Cygnwin is currently running from, and the Windows it runs on too, doesn't seem like a very good idea. I assume it will result in a bluescreen soon and a _partially_ erased disk. Sorry, I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Sun Jul 22 10:03:46 2012 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:01:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk cc: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:14:02 +0200 Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? By the way, I remember I had a DD.EXE program on my old DOS system. I'm not sure if such a tool could operate on devices (instead of filesystem-based representations as drive

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 22 07:22:29 2012 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:19:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Let us

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 22 09:19:24 2012 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:01 +0100 From: Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? On 22/07/2012 11:38, Robert

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
...@mail.r-bonomi.com Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? On 22/07/2012 17:14, Polytropon wrote: Furthermore, in your example using Cygnwin's dd _on_ the disk Cygnwin is currently running from, and the Windows it runs on too, doesn't seem like a very good idea. I assume it will result

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From: Michael Ross g...@ross.cx Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:06:04 +0200 On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:08:56 +0200, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: Microsoft's format.exe can zero a volume, at least in the newer (2008) versions: /p:passes : Zeros every sector on the volume for the number of

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: I haven't had occasion to dissect a copy of format in years, I don't know if it still defaults to one write attemptto every sector on the disk. I read on the MS TechNet several years ago that it attempted three writes per

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
provided to the user, by the O/S can we finally stop this off topic thread? it was about fsck on FAT32 filesystem UNDER FREEBSD (because it is in freebsd-questions). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Michael Ross
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:01:41 +0200, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: I haven't had occasion to dissect a copy of format in years, I don't know if it still defaults to one write attemptto every sector on the disk. By default in Windows Vista, the format command writes zeros

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

2012-07-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Yes, in theory, they _could_ learn everything they need to know to do it themselves, but the list of things that a 'know nothing' Windows user has to dig out, understand, and _use_, is incredibly long and daunting. I know

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread perryh
Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: MSDOS/PCDOS had -no- O/S functions to directly access actual disk devices. The ONLY fuctionality provided to the user, by the O/S was filesystem based access. To get 'raw' device access, one had to bypass the O/S entirely, and use direct BIOS

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From per...@pluto.rain.com Sun Jul 22 22:15:48 2012 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:10:40 -0700 From: per...@pluto.rain.com To: bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: MSDOS/PCDOS had

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jul 19 03:21:28 2012 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:18:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? entitled

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:18:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Indeed. But getting GELI certified and approved by the relevant institutions and agencies isn't that easy either. Yet without no idea what are you

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl entitled to have opinions, *BUT* the Gospel According to Wojciech is -not- 'the answer' for everybody, in every situation. *IF* you ever learn that, Seems like you

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It seems like all you know how to do is engage in ignorant, uninformed, personal attacks/insults. if you would read more carefully then you will see clearly that i am personally attacked most often. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Seriously though, I wish people would stop feeding this TROLL. There is absolutely no upside to it. As has been stated so eloquently many times before, Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. so why you are continuing that thread? People

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: All I'm going to say is: 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area.

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
regulations have been tightened further recently as to mandate sector-level encryption of the hard disks as well, just to be on the sure(rer) side. At least in certain particularly sensitive areas. which may be a proof that governments know backdoors alloving recovery from encrypted drives

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: regulations have been tightened further recently as to mandate sector-level encryption of the hard disks as well, just to be on the sure(rer) side. At least in certain particularly sensitive areas. which

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Indeed. But getting GELI certified and approved by the relevant institutions and agencies isn't that easy either. Yet without no idea what are you talking about. For your own use you don't need anyones certification. You need safe solution. geli just do this. As for any government agencies

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
developed countries. Not really sure what you wanted to imply, as SMB looks like americanism to me. as well as SOHO. As not the first time, some people here when lacking arguments say i work for larger company. We have more servers in one place. Esp. second is nopt something to be proud

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for modern hard drives it was already proved that dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m is enough to make data

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
entitled to have opinions, *BUT* the Gospel According to Wojciech is -not- 'the answer' for everybody, in every situation. *IF* you ever learn that, Seems like you have 45 years of experience in words. nothing more. Aggression is normal today from such people, that have good position in some

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread jb
Jerry jerry at seibercom.net writes: ... I couldn't have said it better myself. Wojciech lives in his own little world, which is fine as long as he doesn't try to visit mine. He sounds like he works at a small Polish SMB, more commonly referred to as a SOHO in more developed countries. I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Otherwise, you may run the danger of building a wall around yourself. everyone should judge by his/her own brain which opinions are right. Actually in every moment i try to encourage EVERYONE to turn on his/her brain that we all have but rarely use. To be ever able to use ones brain

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Carmel
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for modern hard drives it was already

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
for very old drives it may not Would you be so kind as to point out the proof of that statement? sorry but i didn't save that article on hard drive. So no proof if you don't believe me i've actually read it. The main point is that you have - track - intra-track gap - finite precision of

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Jakub Lach
This topic went totally off, but anyway there are interesting bits, do you say that e.g. Gutmann method is totally unneeded? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728126.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Carmel
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:49:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: Otherwise, you may run the danger of building a wall around yourself. everyone should judge by his/her own brain which opinions are right. Actually in every moment i try to encourage EVERYONE to turn on his/her

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Michael Ross
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MFM_AFM_JANUSZ_REBIS_INFOCENTRE_PL_HDD_MAGNETIC_MEMORY_EVOLUTION.png -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728126.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
can add FreeBSD knowledge to their CV. That statement goes beyond stupid. At some point, everyone is a You proved well enough about what stupid means. esp your mail carmel...@hotmail.com that's truly a mail address that System Admin should be proud of ;) At least you don't worry about

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread jb
Wojciech Puchar wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: ... This should clear up some confusion. Will it ? Disk Wiping One Pass Is Enough http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wiping-one-pass-is-enough ... --- http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wiping-one-pass-is-enough-part-2-this-time-wi

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Jakub Lach
and just as good as random scrubs. That's still makes a robust procedure, even If overkill and dated (which isn't exactly bad thing). Thanks for replies. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728161.html Sent from the freebsd

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Bruce Cran
On 19/07/2012 09:15, Wojciech Puchar wrote: no. for modern hard drives it was already proved that dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m is enough to make data unreadable. for very old drives it may not How about data stored in remapped sectors, or any flash cache? The Secure Erase command

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Carmel wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
How about data stored in remapped sectors, or any flash cache? how about being able to restore random 0.1% of former user data. Not really useful. Flash cache is quite recent idea, nobody serious would like to scrap such a drive instead of reuse.

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
agencies recover overwritten data? at http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html at first - it should be asked can agencies recover your data without being overwritten first. just use geli(8) then second problem is even less problem. Finally use geli (or similar method)

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:26:57 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: agencies recover overwritten data? at http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html at first - it should be asked can agencies recover your data without being overwritten first. Sure, because it's stored

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 17 12:06:29 2012 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:02:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Surely SpinRite is more clever than that, i would bet otherwise. simple tools and free tools are always better You continue to demonstrate that you don't

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi Robert, cc questions@ cc postmaster@ (***) What I am is an information systems professional with 45 years experience. Interesting reading that your prior post. 'Edge of the track, turn up the op. amps' has been an interesting technique for decades, I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Jakub Lach
-offtopic- (...) like he works at a small Polish SMB, more commonly referred to as a SOHO in more developed countries. Not really sure what you wanted to imply, as SMB looks like americanism to me. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:58:22 +0200 From: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Hi Robert, cc questions@ cc postmaster@ (***) What I am is an information systems professional with 45 years experience. Interesting reading that your prior post

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of SpinRite. first - it is off topic. second - because all commercial software like that are designed for uneducated user, mostly try to automatically do everything. Which is a danger not help.

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 07/17/2012 11:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of SpinRite. first - it is off topic. second - because all commercial software like that are designed for uneducated user, mostly try to automatically

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:36:07 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of SpinRite. first - it is off topic. second - because all commercial software like that are designed for uneducated

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Jul 16 01:17:33 2012 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:15:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Cc: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? read

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Surely SpinRite is more clever than that, i would bet otherwise. simple tools and free tools are always better You continue to demonsteate that you don't know what you don't know. are you another sponsored by some recovery tool commercial producer?

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
read attempts. In worst case, there will be gaps in the result. Surely SpinRite is more clever than that, i would bet otherwise. simple tools and free tools are always better ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd Even

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 15 16:31:45 2012 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:29:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? totally in error. SpinRite will attempt

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Jerry
: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd conv=sync,noerror This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to professional-grade tools like

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to professional-grade tools like Spinrite. With the settings the resident infallible expert on everything *SNORT* recommends, dd will make _one_ attempt to read each

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Mark Felder
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to professional-grade tools like Spinrite. I bet you are a big fan of homeopathic treatments too, aren't you? ___

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robison, Dave
On 07/16/2012 10:10, Mark Felder wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to professional-grade tools like Spinrite. I bet you are a big fan of homeopathic treatments too, aren't you?

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
` Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:03:37 -0500 From: Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? SpinWrong is a scam, Gibson is a fraud, and this conversation is pure marketing gibberish. I thought most had overcome this credulity years ago. It appears I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Jul 16 12:12:47 2012 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:10:34 -0500 From: Mark Felder f...@feld.me Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Chris Hill
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012, Adam Vande More wrote: SpinWrong is a scam, Gibson is a fraud, and this conversation is pure marketing gibberish. I thought most had overcome this credulity years ago. It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
SpinWrong is a scam, Gibson is a fraud, and this conversation is pure marketing gibberish. maybe you exaggerate but this is what i feel in that discussion. instead of help - seemed like marketing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
not in the vicinity of the root directory. But I am old school, and paranoid, so I'd really like to run the FAT32 equivalent of fsck on the thing, to clean up any filesystem glitches. Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.comwrote: Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? /sbin/fsck_msdosfs -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? fsck_msdosfs but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. When recovering data from FAT32 i've proven myself what is actually a better tool

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:56:22 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? fsck_msdosfs but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use Window's Scandisk. If you

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Bruce Cran
On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern Windows (XP and newer) you'll want to use chkdsk ( e.g. 'chkdsk /F C:' ). -- Bruce Cran

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread John Levine
Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? There's fsck_msdosfs, part of the base system. Regular fsck should call it automatically if you run it on a FAT filesystem. R's, John ___ freebsd

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Bruce Cran wrote: On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern Windows (XP and newer) you'll want to use chkdsk ( e.g. 'chkdsk /F C:' ).

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
If you absolutely, positively have to recover the drive, I would recommend SpinRite 6 http://www.grc.com/intro.htm. Its not free; again i would recommend standard windows scandisk. such tools as the other utilities are usually not better. make sure you have full disk backup anyway

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Bruce Cran
On 15/07/2012 19:43, Wojciech Puchar wrote: both do the same 'scandisk' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message CA+tpaK0H=L8pcSkOxxAekfy2rQV49-sWof0FDPsutb8=04b...@mail.gmail.com , Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.comwrote: Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message 5002b996.2000...@cran.org.uk, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern Windows (XP and newer) you'll want to

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:43:57 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Bruce Cran wrote: On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Polytropon
such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? /sbin/fsck_msdosfs Thank you. That sure sounds like it ought to do the trick. It will do its job: Check the file system's integrity. From that point, you will either have the answer that everything

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:48:23 +0200 Polytropon articulated: For example, make an 1:1 copy using dd (or ddrescue or dd_rescue) of the disk. Work with a copy of that copy. Do not alter the disk. Then use tools that do the job of recovery (see my list postings about that topic, they contain a

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd conv=sync,noerror ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd Even better, recoverdisk /dev/da0 /dev/da1 -- Adam

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:29:39 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd conv=sync,noerror Even though it doesn't use different algorithms, programs

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