Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin

Hey all,

I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550 card.  It's 
a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots as a workaround is 
likely to be impossible.


I found this document on how to get it installed, in theory:

http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14850

But with no floppy, this is probably going to involve either transplanting 
the card (and drive array) to another machine JUST to do the install 
(translated: a serious pain in the ass).


If someone could explain why any of the following aren't possible, I'd 
love to know:


1) Making this driver part of the boot-time probe.  I can understand not 
including every SOUND CARD and MULTI-PORT SERIAL CARD in the generic 
kernel, but could we at least include the rest of the STORAGE modules?


2) Giving the ability to load a kernel module from somewhere else (an 
http/ftp url, maybe?)


3) Adding the kldload command to the emergency holographic shell (I was 
able to do an NFS mount from within it, but had no way to load the 
driver).


4) Allowing non-standard modules to reside on the CD, instead of loading 
from floppy (i.e. I see there's a twa module in the base system, why 
aren't the .ko's sitting around easily-accessible for sysinstall?)


If I'm missing some really obvious way of doing this, please let me know.

Thanks,

Dan Mahoney

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Re: sparc64 and perl 5.8.8 port test failures?

2007-01-03 Thread David Landgren

Steven D. Yee wrote:

I'm seeing multiple errors from make test and I can't seem to
figure out how to get rid of them. As far as I can
tell it builds correctly.


[...]


../lib/integer..NOK 10
#   Failed test 'left shift'
#   in ../lib/integer.t at line 49.
#  got: '-4292583424'
# expected: '-9223372036854775808'
# Looks like you failed 1 test of 11.
../lib/integer..dubious
 Test returned status 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
DIED. FAILED test 10
 Failed 1/11 tests, 90.91% okay


I did try building with WITHOUT_PERL_64BITINT=yes  but that didn't
seem to make a difference, although its possible that I screwed that
up since conf.sh still shows multiple references to 64 bit ints (even 
use64bitint is defined)

does anyone have any pointers as to what may be going on? or where to 
start looking?


This looks like the build is bringing in 64bitness when it shouldn't (or 
vice versa). The build process might have remnants of the previous 
config run lying around (in Policy.sh and/or config.sh). Step down into 
the build directory and delete these two files, and build again.


Or, better yet, just delete the entire ./work directory, and build it again.

Later,
DAvid

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Re: sparc64 and perl 5.8.8 port test failures?

2007-01-03 Thread David Landgren

Steven D. Yee wrote:

I'm seeing multiple errors from make test and I can't seem to
figure out how to get rid of them. As far as I can
tell it builds correctly.


[...]


../lib/integer..NOK 10
#   Failed test 'left shift'
#   in ../lib/integer.t at line 49.
#  got: '-4292583424'
# expected: '-9223372036854775808'
# Looks like you failed 1 test of 11.
../lib/integer..dubious
 Test returned status 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
DIED. FAILED test 10
 Failed 1/11 tests, 90.91% okay


I did try building with WITHOUT_PERL_64BITINT=yes  but that didn't
seem to make a difference, although its possible that I screwed that
up since conf.sh still shows multiple references to 64 bit ints (even 
use64bitint is defined)

does anyone have any pointers as to what may be going on? or where to 
start looking?


This looks like the build is bringing in 64bitness when it shouldn't (or 
vice versa). The build process might have remnants of the previous 
config run lying around (in Policy.sh and/or config.sh). Step down into 
the build directory and delete these two files, and build again.


Or, better yet, just delete the entire ./work directory, and build it again.

Later,
DAvid

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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Per olof Ljungmark

Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:

Hey all,

I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550 card.  
It's a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots as a workaround 
is likely to be impossible.


I don't think you need a driver - it's already there.
apropos 3ware
twa(4)- 3ware 9000/9500/9550 series SATA RAID controllers driver
twe(4)- 3ware 5000/6000/7000/8000 series PATA/SATA RAID adapter driver

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Re: How to reset /dev/dsp ?

2007-01-03 Thread Luke Dean



On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Lowell Gilbert wrote:


Luke Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I'm running FreeBSD 6.1.

My sound device shows up like this in my dmesg:
pcm0: Intel ICH5 (82801EB) port 0xd800-0xd8ff,0xdc00-0xdc3f mem
0xfc001000-0xfc0011ff,0xfc002000-0xfc0020ff irq 17 at device 31.5 on
pci0
pcm0: primary codec not ready!
pcm0: Avance Logic ALC658 AC97 Codec

My sound driver is compiled into the kernel:
device  sound
device  snd_ich

I've got a java application that I run through
diablo-jdk-1.5.0.07.01_1 that uses sound.  It's a game.  Partway
through the game, the sound stops working.  The people who make the
game have been aware of the problem for many months, but don't
understand what to do about it.
Okay, I can accept that.

What I can't accept is that this java application breaks the sound in
such a way that NOTHING can play sound anymore until I reboot the
machine!

If I attempt to play a movie with mplayer after the game has broken
the sound, it says:
[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file
or directory

However, the dsp device still exists in /dev:
[0:/dev ll dsp*
crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel  -   0,  51 Dec 29 21:36 dsp0.0
crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel  -   0,  54 Dec 29 21:37 dsp0.1
crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel  -   0,  52 Dec 29 19:24 dspW0.0
crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel  -   0,  55 Dec 29 19:24 dspW0.1
crw-rw-rw-  1 root  wheel  -   0,  57 Dec 29 19:24 dspr0.1

The sndstat device doesn't show any problem, if I'm reading the output
right:
[0:/dev cat /dev/sndstat
FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm)
Installed devices:
pcm0: Intel ICH5 (82801EB) at io 0xfc001000, 0xfc002000 irq 17 bufsz
16384  (1p/1r/0v channels duplex default)

Is there anything I can do short of rebooting the machine to get my
sound working when this happens?  I thought maybe there was something
I could do with devd or devctl to reset the device, but I can't figure
out how to do that.  I'm not even sure how to see the problem except
to attempt to play a sound.


Well, it's hard to say, because the hardware could be misbehaving, in
which case the software may not know what's going on.  It might be
interesting to see whether fstat(1) sees anything holding the dsp
devices.  You could also try using vchans, which would (in theory) let
you access the hardware from another device node after the first one
hangs.


fstat reveals that nothing is holding the dsp devices after the sound 
breaks.
I read a bit about vchans, then set up a few with sysctl 
hw.snd.pcm0.vchans=4.  I had to reboot first, because once the sound 
locks up, attempting to adjust this sysctl produces a device busy error. 
This produced some new dsp devices in /dev.
I ran the java app again, broke the sound, and found that all of the 
vchans produce the same device busy error when I use mplayer switches to 
specify which vchan to use.  (I was using commands like mplayer -ao 
oss:/dev/dsp0.1 blah.avi to test this.)


Whatever this java app is doing to break the sound breaks it for all 
device nodes.


Thanks for the idea anyway.  I learned something.
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Setting another machine as a firewall

2007-01-03 Thread Mohamad Babaei

Hi,

i want to set another machine as a firewall for my mail server to prevent
receiving huge number of spams each day.
so, how shuold i change my DNS to do this ?


Regards,
Mo
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Re: Setting another machine as a firewall

2007-01-03 Thread Olivier Nicole
 i want to set another machine as a firewall for my mail server to prevent
 receiving huge number of spams each day.
 so, how shuold i change my DNS to do this ?

Have your MX reccord to point to the firewall mail server.

But before you do that, you should make sure that the firewall is
set-up and configured and running.

Olivier
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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread perryh
 I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550
 card.  It's a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots
 as a workaround is likely to be impossible.

Any possibility of using a USB floppy drive?

 3) Adding the kldload command to the emergency holographic shell
 (I was able to do an NFS mount from within it, but had no way to
 load the driver).

Maybe put kldload on that NFS mount along with the module to be
loaded, and run it from there?
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what is operator group for?

2007-01-03 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Hi all

can anyone tell me what the operator group is for, or docs where I can
read about it? I see that /sbin/shutdown and /sbin/mk_snap_ffs are both 
executable by members and various things in /dev/ are mountable by them.


I want a regular user to be able to mount removeable media and shutdown 
the computer. If I make them a member of operator group what else am I

allowing them to do?

Thanks

Chris


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suidperl eats my CPU

2007-01-03 Thread Mohamad Babaei

Hi!

would some one tell me why suidperl process eats my CPU ?
i've installed qmail, qmailscanner  


Regards,
Mo.
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Re: sshd break-in attempt

2007-01-03 Thread Peter Nyamukusa
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:34, Eric wrote:
Hi,

Why don't you use the /etc/rc.firewall, its a good firewall too.

 Len Conrad wrote:
  In our 'periodic daily' report/email, (only the list goes on for
  hundreds of attempts). Anyhow, long story short; is there not an easy
  way to make sshd block or deny hosts temporarily if X number of
  invalid login attempts are made within a minute's time?
 
  to reduce the brute force attacks + voluminous logging, tell sshd to
  listen on port other than 22.
 
  google for tcp wrappers sshd for examples of how to use tcp wrappers
  in reactive blocking
 
  Len

 check out the denyhosts port as well. works great
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Re: how to fetch again a port from port distribution (ftp site)?

2007-01-03 Thread Peter Nyamukusa
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:16, RW wrote:
 On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:28:22 +0100

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  Hi
 
  I was trying to install mysql from port collection. But during
  downloading port from port distribution, my internet connection got
  broken for few minuts...
 
  now when I run make again... it tries to compile uncomplete
  downloaded src
 
  how can I get rid of this pre-fetched src, remove it and
The pre-feched src are in /usr/ports/distfiles/
you can delete the src file from there 
 
  how to fetch again a port from port distribution (ftp site) when src
  is already downloaded once?
you can also manually download the distribution files from and ftp site on 
another PC using a download manager which can resume in case of broken 
internet connection and simply copy the file in to /usr/ports/distfiles/ the 
run the make from the ports

 Firstly, the ports system should try to restart an existing download,
 I do this all the time. Secondly, even if a partial file cannot be
 completed, the port should not carry on building because the distfile
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 Either there is a bug here, or you have done something odd. Do you have
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Re: Setting another machine as a firewall

2007-01-03 Thread Peter Nyamukusa
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 11:34, Olivier Nicole wrote:
  i want to set another machine as a firewall for my mail server to prevent
  receiving huge number of spams each day.
  so, how shuold i change my DNS to do this ?
Also note that port 25 on the firewall should be open, either accepting email 
as an SMTP Gateway or redirecting incoming SMTP requests on port 25 to your 
mail server.

 Have your MX reccord to point to the firewall mail server.

 But before you do that, you should make sure that the firewall is
 set-up and configured and running.

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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread Rob Hurle

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, bobmc wrote:


After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.


I have:
export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
exec startkde
 as the last lines in my ~/.xinitrc file.  There's a few other lines 
to do with my Vietnamese keyboard input, but that's it.


Cheers,

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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread Rob Hurle

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, bobmc wrote:


After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.


I have:
export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
exec startkde
 as the last lines in my ~/.xinitrc file.  There's a few other lines to do with 
my Vietnamese keyboard input, but that's it.


Cheers,

Rob Hurle
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Re: linux compatability question

2007-01-03 Thread Jim Stapleton

Thank you, I had to use a different linux library (linux-dri I think),
but it ended up working.

-Jim Stapleton

On 12/27/06, Boris Samorodov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:02:39 -0500 Jim Stapleton wrote:

 I'm not sure what to do at this point, I'm trying to run a linux app
 (binary) that requires libGLU.so.1, and it's an x86 binary.

It requires a linux library.

 When I first ran it, it complained that the file libGLU.so.1 could not
 be found (it was in my /usr/X11R6/lib directory. I made a simlink with

And that is a FreeBSD one.

 that name to that file to /compat/linux/usr/X11R6/lib and now get this
 error:

 ./partiview: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libGLU.so.1:
 ELF file OS ABI invalid

Yes, the linux app tries to load a FreeBSD library.

 This is on an i950 based notebook (integrated intel graphics), using
 the i810 and vga drivers in X. FreeBSD 6.1,  X is either 6.8 or 6.9

 Any suggestions?

Remove your simlink and install graphics/linux-libGLU.


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good news for FreeBSD lovers who admin Stellent Content Manager, irrelevant news for everyone else...

2007-01-03 Thread Jim Stapleton

This is by no way an official post, but in my current job I admin a
Stellent Content Server, which until recently only had
AIX/Linux/SunOS/Win32 as supported platforms (maybe one or two other
platforms that I've forgotten).

I was about to try installing it with the Linux Compatability Layer
where necessary, but right when I was going to start, all the images
dissapeared off their website. This morning I checked, and along with
the 7.6.2 (new sub-release?) I found a FreeBSD ISO.

So, really, if you were interested in SCM but couldn't find it in
FreeBSD, or wanted to move a system with it over to FreeBSD, you now
can. If you don't know what SCM is, then you probaly wasted your time
reading this message (sorry, I did warn you).

I'm just happy to see a nice piece of mainstream commercial software
on FreeBSD. It's not common enough as of yet.

-Jim Stapleton
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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 01:56, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
 Hey all,

 I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550 card.  It's
 a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots as a workaround is
 likely to be impossible.

 I found this document on how to get it installed, in theory:

 http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14850

 But with no floppy, this is probably going to involve either transplanting
 the card (and drive array) to another machine JUST to do the install
 (translated: a serious pain in the ass).

 If someone could explain why any of the following aren't possible, I'd
 love to know:

 1) Making this driver part of the boot-time probe.  I can understand not
 including every SOUND CARD and MULTI-PORT SERIAL CARD in the generic
 kernel, but could we at least include the rest of the STORAGE modules?

 2) Giving the ability to load a kernel module from somewhere else (an
 http/ftp url, maybe?)

 3) Adding the kldload command to the emergency holographic shell (I was
 able to do an NFS mount from within it, but had no way to load the
 driver).

 4) Allowing non-standard modules to reside on the CD, instead of loading
 from floppy (i.e. I see there's a twa module in the base system, why
 aren't the .ko's sitting around easily-accessible for sysinstall?)

 If I'm missing some really obvious way of doing this, please let me know.

 Thanks,

 Dan Mahoney

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when worst come to worst, i keep a usb floppy drive aroud for just those kinds 
of situations.

good luck,
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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-02 10:20, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All,

 I don't even have a clue how to start this one, so am looking for a
 little help.

 I've got a directory with a large number of gzipped files in it (over
 110k) along with a few thousand uncompressed files.

 I'd like to find the average uncompressed size of the gzipped files,
 and ignore the uncompressed files.

 How on earth would I go about doing that with the default shell (no
 bash or other shells installed), or in perl, or something like that.
 I'm no scripter of any great expertise, and am just stumbling over
 this trying to find an approach.

You can probably use awk(1) or perl(1) to post-process the output of
gzip(1).

The gzip(1) utility, when run with the -cd options will uncompress the
compressed files and send the uncompressed data to standard output,
without actually affecting the on-disk copy of the compressed data.

It is easy then to pipe the uncompressed data to wc(1) to count the
'bytes' of the uncompressed data:

for fname in *.Z *.z *.gz; do
if test -f ${fname}; then
gzip -cd ${fname} | wc -c
fi
done

This will print the byte-size of the uncompressed output of gzip, for
all the files which are currently compressed.  Something like the
following could be its output:

  220381
 3280920

This can be piped into awk(1) for further processing, with something
like this:

for fname in *.Z *.gz; do
if test -f $fname; then
gzip -cd $fname | wc -c
fi
done | \
awk 'BEGIN {
min = -1; max = 0; total = 0;
}
{
total += $1;
if ($1  max) {
max = $1;
}
if (min == -1 || $1  min) {
min = $1;
}
}
END {
if (NR  0) {
printf min/avg/max file size = %d/%d/%d\n,
min, total / NR, max;
}
}'

With the same files as above, the output of this would be:

min/avg/max file size = 220381/1750650/3280920

With a slightly modified awk(1) script, you can even print a running
min/average/max count, following each line.  Mmodified lines marked with
a pipe character (`|') in their leftmost column below.  The '|'
characters are *not* part of the script itself.

for fname in *.Z *.gz; do
if test -f $fname; then
gzip -cd $fname | wc -c
fi
done | \
awk 'BEGIN {
min = -1; max = 0; total = 0;
|   printf %10s %10s %10s %10s\n,
|   SIZE, MIN, AVERAGE, MAX;
}
{
total += $1;
if ($1  max) {
max = $1;
}
if (min == -1 || $1  min) {
min = $1;
}
|   printf %10d %10d %10d %10d\n,
|   $1, min, total/NR, max;
}
END {
if (NR  0) {
|   printf %10s %10d %10d %10d\n,
|   TOTAL, min, total / NR, max;
}
}'

When run with the same set of two compressed files this will print:

  SIZEMINAVERAGEMAX
220381 220381 220381 220381
   3280920 22038117506503280920
 TOTAL 22038117506503280920

Please note though that with a sufficiently large set of files, awk(1)
may fail to count the total number of bytes correctly.  If this is the
case, it should be easy to write an equivalent Perl or Python script,
to take advantage of their big-number support.

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Re: Setting another machine as a firewall

2007-01-03 Thread Matthew Seaman
Mohamad Babaei wrote:

 i want to set another machine as a firewall for my mail server to prevent
 receiving huge number of spams each day.
 so, how shuold i change my DNS to do this ?

Hmmm... I don't think a firewall is really the right technology to
achieve what you desire.  A firewall (in the general usage) is a
piece of software designed to filter network packets, or a machine
whose primary duty is to run such a filter.  Packet filters typically
look only at the ethernet and IP headers of any packets.  So they
can tell if an incoming packet is headed towards port 25 on your
mail server, but they've got no idea if the payload in that packet
is spam or not.  If you want to sound impressive to management you
can say that firewalls act at layers 2 and 3 of the OSI model, and
this is a layer 4 problem.

Technically the sort of software you need at layer 4 is a proxy
server -- ie. a protocol specific piece of software which can process
the incoming packet streams and respond to the sender exactly as if
it was the ultimate destination, but then apply any restrictions
required by your security policy and then hand-off the content
to the real end-user.  Web caches are a classic example of this sort
of thing.

Now, you can do exactly this for e-mail traffic.  However, as SMTP
servers, by their nature, are designed for the relaying of mail
traffic, in general you'ld just use another instance of an MTA to
be the firewall proxy server.  Obviously you need to think carefully
about the design here: simply making e-mail jump through two copies
of sendmail or exim or whatever won't get you any more security or
protection against spam  and just introduces additional points of
failure.  Good reasons for adding a mail relay at your border are
such things as:

   * we don't want to expose our Exchange server to the internet at
 large. because it's a security nightmare.

   * we have a large internal network with mailservers at several
 sites and we need to route SMTP traffic internally whilst
 still presenting a unified e-mail name space to the outside
 world.

   * we have so much incoming e-mail that we need to share out the
 load of spam filtering and providing mailbox services over
 a number of machines internally.

The alternative to implementing a proxy mail server on your firewall
is to set the firewall to simply direct e-mail traffic through to your
internal mail server.  If your internal networks are routeable from the
internet, then that is just a matter of writing filter rules to allow
the traffic.  If you're in the very common position of using NAT on
your firewall then you'll need to add configuration to allow incoming
connections to port 25 to be forwarded to your internal mail server --
'redirection' or 'binat' are commonly heard terms involved with doing
that.  Exactly how to do that depends on the firewalling software you're
using and the detail of the way your networks are constructed.  (There
are 3 packages available in the base FreeBSD distribution alone capable
of doing this job -- pf, ipfilter or IPFW+natd.  pf is what I'd
recommend.)

As far as DNS goes, combining a NAT'ing firewall with a mailserver on
a private interior network leads to another problem: the so-called
'split horizon', where the outside world needs to be able to look up
your mailserver in the DNS and ultimately resolve it to an external
IP address on your NAT gateway, but users on your internal networks
must resolve it to the address of the mailserver on your internal
network.  It simply doesn't work for internal machines to attempt
to connect to the public address on the outside of the NAT'ing firewall.

E-mail is a special case here: normally you can fudge such things by
putting the public addresses in the DNS but overriding them locally
by putting the internal addresses in /etc/hosts and setting
nsswitch.conf to prefer lookups from files rather than the DNS (which
is the default setting actually).

However e-mail doesn't co-operate: mail servers insist on using the
global DNS to look up the data they need when sending e-mail.  Partly
that's because there's no way of providing an equivalent to the MX
record from within /etc/hosts but mostly it is because both ends of
any e-mail transaction need to have the same idea about how names
resolve to IP numbers.  Therefore you will need to make provision in
the DNS for your internal systems to be able to lookup your mailserver
and receive the internal address, while the rest of the world sees the
public address.  You can do that either by having a separate internal
DNS server with the local data in it, or by using the 'views' facility
within BIND.  See: 

http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/arm93/Bv9ARM.ch06.html#view_statement_grammar

Now, lets suppose you've chosen to have a border SMTP relay on your
firewall (or, for larger sites, in your DMZ network).  Where should
you put the anti-virus and spam filtering function?  There or on the
internal mail server?  In principal 

Re: Root doesn't have permission to change permissions?

2007-01-03 Thread Steel City Phantom

   when i do chflags nouchg MP3 i get operation not supported.  and how
   can i have files open when the its currently unmounted?  the lock is
   the only thing in chflags that i see could make any difference.
   Robert Huff wrote:

Steel City Phantom writes:

  

 when i try to delete the mount point and recreate it i get the
 message device busy,


Not even root can dismount something while there are files open.

  

 when i try to change owners of the directory as root it says i
 don't have permission.


man chflags


Robert Huff
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Failure -Upgrading-archivers/p5-IO-Compress-Base./p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.001

2007-01-03 Thread Vizion


Thanks in advance to anyone who could please help me deal with these errors:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /var/cvsupconfig]# portupgrade -a
.
.

 ---  Upgrading 'p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.001' to 
 'p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002' 
 (archivers/p5-IO-Compress-Base)
 ---  Building '/usr/ports/archivers/p5-IO-Compress-Base'
 ===  Cleaning for perl-5.8.8
 ===  Cleaning for p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002
 ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
 = IO-Compress-Base-2.002.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist 
 in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
 = Attempting to fetch from 
 ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/perl/CPAN/modules/by-module/IO/.
 IO-Compress-Base-2.002.tar.gz 100% of   88 kB 
  215 kBps
 ===  Extracting for p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002
 = MD5 Checksum OK for IO-Compress-Base-2.002.tar.gz.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for IO-Compress-Base-2.002.tar.gz.
 ===   p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002 depends on file: 
 /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - 
 found
 ===  Patching for p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002
 ===   p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002 depends on file: 
 /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - 
 found
 ===   p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002 depends on file: 
 /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - 
 found
 ===  Configuring for p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.002
 Cannot load ExtUtils::MakeMaker: Can't locate Cwd.pm in @INC (@INC 
= contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach 
 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 
 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl 
 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) 
 at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 167.
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted 
 at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 167.
Compilation failed in require at (eval 4) line 1.
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted 
 at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 17.
 Compilation failed in require at ./Makefile.PL line 7.
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./Makefile.PL line 7.
 *** Error code 2

 Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/p5-IO-Compress-Base.
 ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa 
 /tmp/portupgrade.22498.11 
 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.001 
 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=2.001 make
 ** Fix the problem and try again.
 ---  Skipping 'bsdpan-CPAN-1.87' because it is held by user 
 (specify -f to 
 force)
---  Upgrading 'p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.001' to 
 'p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002' 
 (archivers/p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib)
 ---  Building '/usr/ports/archivers/p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib'
 ===  Cleaning for perl-5.8.8
 ===  Cleaning for p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002
 ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
 = Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist 
in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
 = Attempting to fetch from 
 ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/perl/CPAN/modules/by-module/C
ompress/.
Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002.tar.gz100% of  201 kB  234 kBps
===  Extracting for p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002
= MD5 Checksum OK for Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002.tar.gz.
= SHA256 Checksum OK for Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002.tar.gz.
===   p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - 
found
===  Patching for p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002
===   p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - 
found
===  Applying FreeBSD patches for p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002
===   p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - 
found
===  Configuring for p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.002
Cannot load ExtUtils::MakeMaker: Can't locate Cwd.pm in @INC (@INC 
contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) 
at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 167.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted 
at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 167.
Compilation failed in require at (eval 4) line 1.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted 
at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 17.
Compilation failed in require at ./Makefile.PL line 7.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./Makefile.PL line 7.
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib.
** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade.22498.37 
env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.001 
UPGRADE_PORT_VER=2.001 make
** Fix the problem and try again.
Thanks\
david

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Re: sshd break-in attempt

2007-01-03 Thread Michael

Per olof Ljungmark wrote:

Nathan Vidican wrote:
We keep getting attempts from what look like a username/password 
scanner utility to login to our servers externally via sshd. 
Thankfully, we're not ignorant enough to leave common account names 
open, however it is annoying to say the least. We're getting things 
like this:


Jan  1 09:07:34 fw sshd[66547]: Invalid user staff from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:35 fw sshd[66549]: Invalid user sales from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:36 fw sshd[66551]: Invalid user recruit from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:37 fw sshd[66553]: Invalid user alias from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:38 fw sshd[66555]: Invalid user office from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:38 fw sshd[66557]: Invalid user samba from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:39 fw sshd[66559]: Invalid user tomcat from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:40 fw sshd[66561]: Invalid user webadmin from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:41 fw sshd[66563]: Invalid user spam from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:42 fw sshd[66565]: Invalid user virus from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:43 fw sshd[66567]: Invalid user cyrus from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:43 fw sshd[66569]: Invalid user staff from 208.44.210.15
Jan  1 09:07:44 fw sshd[66571]: Invalid user oracle from 208.44.210.15

In our 'periodic daily' report/email, (only the list goes on for 
hundreds of attempts). Anyhow, long story short; is there not an easy 
way to make sshd block or deny hosts temporarily if X number of 
invalid login attempts are made within a minute's time? Must I use an 
external wrapper to accomplish this, or can it be done with options 
to sshd on it's own?


There are several ways to block the attacks, one pointed out by first 
respondent, we use Denyhosts and sshblock here.


Google should point you several others.
http://www.google.se/search?hl=enq=ssh+attacksbtnG=Google+Search
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As I have mentioned before here on this list, we use Blockhosts which 
has been extremely effective in blocking these after X number of attempts.


You can find it here:

http://www.aczoom.com/cms/blockhosts

Give it a go, I think you'll be very happy with the results.

Michael

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Help Please !

2007-01-03 Thread Mohamad Babaei

Hi!

why suidperl  rises my CPU usage to 100% ???
please help !

thanks
Mo
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BSD Host Counter

2007-01-03 Thread Net Warrior

Hi there guys and happy new year.

Maybe some can remind me the name of the script to install which helps to
gather information about how many hosts (FreeBSD)  are in
which counties, as far as I remember is under sysutils, but I'm not sure, I
was reading the list off line but could not find it the topic
of the discussion.

Lotta Thanx, sorry for the noise.
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Re: BSD Host Counter

2007-01-03 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 08:12, Net Warrior wrote:
 Hi there guys and happy new year.

 Maybe some can remind me the name of the script to install which
 helps to gather information about how many hosts (FreeBSD)  are in
 which counties, as far as I remember is under sysutils, but I'm not
 sure, I was reading the list off line but could not find it the
 topic of the discussion.

 Lotta Thanx, sorry for the noise.

sysutils/bsdstats is the beast you are looking for I believe.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel
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Re: external touchpad for Thinkpad T23? (fwd)

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Smith
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jurjen Middendorp wrote:

  On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 02:49:48AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
[..]
  I've just bought a Thinkpad T23, and I'm loving it .. but I'm not sure
  I'll ever be able to love its TrackPoint, being spoilt by the touchpad
  on my old Compaq Armada 1500c, with which I can be quite productive ..
  
  The only one I've been able to google up that looks nearly small enough
  to work with below the keyboard is the Adesso/Cirque EasyCat PS/2 or USB
  pad .. any chance these will (some value of) work with FreeBSD 6? 
  
  moused(8) only mentions the older (serial, and way too chunky) ALPS
  Glidepoint, and the Interlink Versapad which looks more the right sort
  of size, but appears to be no longer available?
  
  I'd appreciate any clues.

  Moused(8) doesn't mention the ALPS glidpoint nor the Interlink VersaPad. It 
  mentions
  the protocols those things use, so you could use all touchpad things that 
  use that
  protocol.

That's true.  I'm hoping someone has tried one or the other, or another. 

  But i can't say that i have ever used one, so you might want to wait and see 
  if
  there is someone that has actually used them.  Maybe you can find a computer 
  shop
  where you can try it?

Not around here; it'll be an ebay job I guess, and I'd rather not blow
what may come to A$100 shipped unless it has a fair chance of working
passably well .. I googled myself goggled but only found ads and press
releases, no critical reviews or user experiences.

  Anyway, if you buy the ps/2 touchpad specify the ps/2 proto... which is 
  actually
  described 15 lines below the ALPS gildepoint and 11 lines below versapad ;P 
  And
  the adesso usb touchpad is plug-and-play so i think that that one will work 
  if you
  set moused to 'auto' (don't forget usb-mice kernel options?).

Ta.  I'd usually prefer PS/2 but will need to hot-plug the pad, so USB.

  You might also want to have a look at the ion window-manager. Especially on 
  laptops
  it's a real pleasure to work with because it decreases the need to use a 
  mouse for
  things, so you don't have to carry a lot of stuff - besides your laptop.  
  And for
  simple stuff like clicking links in a browser you can use the trackpoint! :)

Thankyou for the tips Jurjen,

Cheers, Ian

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Re: Help Please !

2007-01-03 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Mohamad Babaei [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 why suidperl  rises my CPU usage to 100% ???
 please help !

It's probably a result of the script that suidperl is running.  Without
knowing what that is, however, we can't help much.

-- 
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Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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Re: Help Please !

2007-01-03 Thread Nathan Vidican

In response to Mohamad Babaei [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



why suidperl  rises my CPU usage to 100% ???
please help !



Please read: 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/


Your message will have been skipped over by many who could have or would 
have answered your question; I myself missed the initial question and 
only replied out of annoyance for your subject 'Help please!' - please 
do read the link I gave you above and re-post your question.


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Re: BSD Host Counter

2007-01-03 Thread Net Warrior

Thanks, nice to see my country listed, but there are much more, do not know
why it's only me.

Bytes.


2007/1/3, dawnshade [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Wednesday 03 January 2007 17:12, Net Warrior wrote:
 Hi there guys and happy new year.

 Maybe some can remind me the name of the script to install which helps
to
 gather information about how many hosts (FreeBSD)  are in
 which counties, as far as I remember is under sysutils, but I'm not
sure, I
 was reading the list off line but could not find it the topic
 of the discussion.

 Lotta Thanx, sorry for the noise.

/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats


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Multiple port versions

2007-01-03 Thread Vizion

Just been doing a check on installed applications. 

pkg_info shows multiple installed versions of autoconf, automake, db  gnupg. 
viz:

autoconf-2.13.000227_5 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x 
platforms 
autoconf-2.53_3 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms 
autoconf-2.59_2 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms 
automake-1.4.6_2GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.4)
automake-1.5_2,1GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.5)
automake-1.9.6  GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.9)
db4-4.0.14_1,1  The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
db42-4.2.52_5   The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.2
gnupg-1.4.6_3   The GNU Privacy Guard
gnupg-2.0.1 The GNU Privacy Guard

I used partupgrade -aF recently when, on reconsideration, it would have been 
better to have done portupgrade -F on specific ports!

What is the safest way to remove the earlier versions?

Thanks
David

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Re: Multiple port versions

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 03), Vizion said:
 Just been doing a check on installed applications. 
 
 pkg_info shows multiple installed versions of autoconf, automake, db
  gnupg. viz:
 
 autoconf-2.13.000227_5 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x 
 platforms 
 autoconf-2.53_3 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x 
 platforms 
 autoconf-2.59_2 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x 
 platforms 
 automake-1.4.6_2GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.4)
 automake-1.5_2,1GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.5)
 automake-1.9.6  GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.9)
 db4-4.0.14_1,1  The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
 db42-4.2.52_5   The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.2
 gnupg-1.4.6_3   The GNU Privacy Guard
 gnupg-2.0.1 The GNU Privacy Guard

Those are all separate ports that don't conflict with each other.  You
can check by running pkg_info -L on a couple of them and see that they
either install into their own subdirectories, or have version prefixes
on their files.

-- 
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lease line

2007-01-03 Thread anup roy
hi !
pls give me  what is lease line.
why do you use lease line?
what is the process of configure of lease line?


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Multiple port versions

2007-01-03 Thread Robert Huff

Vizion writes:

  What is the safest way to remove the earlier versions?

By not doing so.
Different ports use different versions of the same program;
this especially true with things like automake and autoconf.
(In the latter two instances there's a push on to unify some or all
of these ... but that day is not today.)
If I _had_ to do this, I would:

run pkgdb -F
for each port {
run pkg_info -R on each port
if and only if no other ports are listed under required
by, delete the port
run pkgdb -F
}


Robert Huff
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portaudit problem

2007-01-03 Thread Matt Juszczak
For some reason, portaudit is now showing 0 problems with my ports when 
yesterday it was showing about 9.


Did something happen that is going to cause me a lot of headaches?

-Matt
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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:
 Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
 ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure

According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
Why do you?

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RE: Multiple port versions

2007-01-03 Thread Vizion
Just a quick thank  everyone who responded so helpfully.. I guess its a case of 
leaving sleeping dogs well alone!! chuckles
\
Thanks v much

david

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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread bobmc
Rob Hurle wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, bobmc wrote:

 After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
 X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
 Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.

 I have:
 export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
 exec startkde
  as the last lines in my ~/.xinitrc file.  There's a few other lines
 to do with my Vietnamese keyboard input, but that's it.

Ok, that's a step forward since I put your startkde item in my .xinitrc.
However, KDE said unable to connect to X server until I included
X .  It works but something is still amiss. There is no KDE splash
background
and it seems kinda slow.

   ## .xinitrc
X 
exec startkde

## WindowMaker can be used instead of X  \ startkde ##
#xclock -geometry 50x50-1-1 
#xdaemon2 -geometry +0-70 
#wmaker #no  here!-BobMc-




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streaming/DOS

2007-01-03 Thread i18rabbit
i am interested in finding out the best
ways to stop denial-of-service attacks
on a live MP3 streaming server.  the
information presented has created a
large group of people that work
together to overwhelm the server
whenever the radio broadcast streams.
what is the most effective way to set
up an MP3 live streaming server to
automatically detect/block these
kind of DOS attacks?

i am not directly running the server,
but it is possible that i may do so,
and in the least, i do have an
advisory capacity with the
people that do (they are in
the MS Windows world which
i know nothing about), and
i would be interested to know
if FreeBSD has capabilities in
this area that Windows servers
do not.

things i thought of as possibilities
were setting up a free registration
which would force attackers to re-register
everytime they get banned - or some kind of
bandwidth limiting thing that would disconnect
IP's or 24-bit IP ranges if an IP downloaded
too much too fast - i don't know all the
possibilities, but it seems to me that
it should be possible to recognize
abusers and drop them from further
HTTP connections. 

any ideas would be greatly appreciated,
please ditto a copy of any replies
off-list - thanks.
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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread bobmc
dick hoogendijk wrote:
 On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:
   
 Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
 ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure
 

 According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
 Why do you?

   
After install, ttyv8 names xdm and says it is off. Changing it per the email
causes periodic prints on the text console making it unusable. So I left it
at the original setting.  -BobMc-


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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550
card.  It's a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots
as a workaround is likely to be impossible.


Any possibility of using a USB floppy drive?


Will the BSD installer recognize a USB floppy drive?


3) Adding the kldload command to the emergency holographic shell
(I was able to do an NFS mount from within it, but had no way to
load the driver).


Maybe put kldload on that NFS mount along with the module to be
loaded, and run it from there?


I had considered that, but feared hitting version issues.  Obviously 
sysinstall needs both mount and kldload functionality -- why aren't 
they in the emergency shell (For that matter, why isn't ls?)


If this many years later we're still emulating floppies, there's a 
problem, folks.


-Dan


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DNS propagation problems - changed ip

2007-01-03 Thread Alex Teslik

Hello,

   I changed the ip address of my server (physical move to a new location)
and updated my dns. Logs show that everything is fine. I can get out to
other sites just fine, send email, and internally everything is working
fine. However, I updated on Jan 1st and the changes for the nameservers have
still not propagated out anywhere. Logs show no one hitting the server. I'm
starting to get worried.
   The db file has this data:

   2007010101  ; Serial (year,month,day,version_that_day)
   86400   ; refresh (1 day)
   7200; retry (2 hours)
   864 ; expire (100 days)
   86400 ) ; minimum (1 day)

So after 1 day external DNS's should update to the new info.
   The only other bit of info that I can't figure out is that in the logs
I'm getting this message:

Jan  2 02:44:16 gouda /kernel: arplookup 10.1.10.1 failed: host is not on
local network

but 10.1.10.1 has nothing to do with my network, so I have no idea which
service is trying to get to this. I grepped all etc and usr/local/etc bu
nothing have that ip.

Finally, nslookup is working on any address including my own. Thats makes me
think DNS is working properly... Any ideas on what else I can check that
might not be right?

Thanks
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Re: DNS propagation problems - changed ip

2007-01-03 Thread Chuck Swiger

Alex Teslik wrote:

   I changed the ip address of my server (physical move to a new location)
and updated my dns. Logs show that everything is fine. I can get out to
other sites just fine, send email, and internally everything is working
fine. However, I updated on Jan 1st and the changes for the nameservers 
have still not propagated out anywhere. Logs show no one hitting the server. I'm

starting to get worried.


Did you change your nameserver's registered IP address with your DNS 
registrar?  Double-check the whois entry for the domain(s) in question...


--
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Re: BSD Host Counter

2007-01-03 Thread dawnshade
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 17:12, Net Warrior wrote:
 Hi there guys and happy new year.

 Maybe some can remind me the name of the script to install which helps to
 gather information about how many hosts (FreeBSD)  are in
 which counties, as far as I remember is under sysutils, but I'm not sure, I
 was reading the list off line but could not find it the topic
 of the discussion.

 Lotta Thanx, sorry for the noise.

/usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread bobmc
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550
 card.  It's a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots
 as a workaround is likely to be impossible.

 Any possibility of using a USB floppy drive?

 Will the BSD installer recognize a USB floppy drive?

 3) Adding the kldload command to the emergency holographic shell
 (I was able to do an NFS mount from within it, but had no way to
 load the driver).

 Maybe put kldload on that NFS mount along with the module to be
 loaded, and run it from there?

 I had considered that, but feared hitting version issues.  Obviously
 sysinstall needs both mount and kldload functionality -- why
 aren't they in the emergency shell (For that matter, why isn't ls?)

 If this many years later we're still emulating floppies, there's a
 problem, folks.

 -Dan

Dan: If this many years later we're still emulating floppies.

Hey, it works for Slackware  :-)

You reminded me of the following article which stated (in 2004) that
sysinstall
was semioffically at end of life?  -Bob-

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/fbsd-from-scratch/why.html


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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:


Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:

Hey all,

I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550 card.  It's 
a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots as a workaround is 
likely to be impossible.


I don't think you need a driver - it's already there.
apropos 3ware
twa(4)- 3ware 9000/9500/9550 series SATA RAID controllers driver
twe(4)- 3ware 5000/6000/7000/8000 series PATA/SATA RAID adapter driver


Oh I'm sorry, then why didn't I just install the OS?  Because it said no 
drives found!


The card doesn't probe at boot, and there's an elaborate howto on 3ware's 
site that describes HOW to get it to probe at boot.


While I myself stated that the driver DOES appear to be in the base, for 
whatever reason the kernel on the install CD doesn't include it, nor the 
ability to kldload a module from anyplace easy.


-Dan


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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread Ian Smith
  Message: 17
  Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:50:01 -0800
  From: James Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Message: 28
   Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:20:08 -0800
   From: Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   I don't even have a clue how to start this one, so am looking for a little 
   help.
   
   I've got a directory with a large number of gzipped files in it (over
   110k) along with a few thousand uncompressed files.

If it were me I'd mv those into a bunch of subdirectories; things get
really slow with more than 500 or so files per directory .. anyway .. 

   I'd like to find the average uncompressed size of the gzipped files,
   and ignore the uncompressed files.
   
   How on earth would I go about doing that with the default shell (no
   bash or other shells installed), or in perl, or something like that.
   I'm no scripter of any great expertise, and am just stumbling over
   this trying to find an approach.
   
   Many thanks for any help,
   
   Kurt
  
  Hi, Kurt.

And hi, James,

  Can I make some assumptions that simplify things?  No kinky filenames, 
  just [a-zA-Z0-9.].  My approach specifically doesn't like colons or 
  spaces, I bet.  Also, you say gzipped, so I'm assuming it's ONLY gzip, 
  no bzip2, etc.
 
  Here's a first draft that might give you some ideas.  It will output:
  
  foo.gz : 3456
  bar.gz : 1048576
  (etc.)
  
  find . -type f | while read fname; do
file $fname | grep -q compressed  echo $fname : $(zcat $fname | wc 
  -c)
  done

 % file cat7/tuning.7.gz
 cat7/tuning.7.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix

Good check, though grep gzip compressed excludes bzip2 etc.

But you REALLY don't want to zcat 110 thousand files just to wc 'em,
unless it's a benchmark :) .. may I suggest a slight speedup, template:

 % gunzip -l cat7/tuning.7.gz
 compressed  uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name
 13642 38421  64.5% cat7/tuning.7

  If you really need a script that will do the math for you, then
  pip the output of this into bc:
  
  #!/bin/sh
  
  find . -type f | {
  
  n=0
  echo scale=2
  echo -n (
  while read fname; do
-if file $fname | grep -q compressed
+if file $fname | grep -q gzip compressed
then
-  echo -n $(zcat $fname | wc -c)+
+  echo -n $(gunzip -l $fname | grep -v comp | awk '{print $2}')+ 
  n=$(($n+1))
fi
  done
  echo 0) / $n
  
  }
  
  That should give you the average decompressed size of the gzip'ped
  files in the current directory.

HTH, Ian

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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Tom Judge wrote:


Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:



Hi Dan,

I have installed FreeBSD on several systems with 9550 controllers.  The 
driver is available in sysinstall from 6.1 Release. (I installed from a 6.1 
Release CD)


This was the 9650, actually.

-Dan

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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Tom Judge

Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:

Hey all,

I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550 card.  
It's a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots as a workaround 
is likely to be impossible.


I found this document on how to get it installed, in theory:

http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14850

But with no floppy, this is probably going to involve either 
transplanting the card (and drive array) to another machine JUST to do 
the install (translated: a serious pain in the ass).


If someone could explain why any of the following aren't possible, I'd 
love to know:


1) Making this driver part of the boot-time probe.  I can understand not 
including every SOUND CARD and MULTI-PORT SERIAL CARD in the generic 
kernel, but could we at least include the rest of the STORAGE modules?


2) Giving the ability to load a kernel module from somewhere else (an 
http/ftp url, maybe?)


3) Adding the kldload command to the emergency holographic shell (I was 
able to do an NFS mount from within it, but had no way to load the driver).


4) Allowing non-standard modules to reside on the CD, instead of loading 
from floppy (i.e. I see there's a twa module in the base system, why 
aren't the .ko's sitting around easily-accessible for sysinstall?)


If I'm missing some really obvious way of doing this, please let me know.



Hi Dan,

I have installed FreeBSD on several systems with 9550 controllers.  The 
driver is available in sysinstall from 6.1 Release. (I installed from a 
6.1 Release CD)


Hope that helps

Tom

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3ware 9650 Support

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
According to the 3ware site this card is supported as of FreeBSD 6.1.  I 
previously posted with it as the 9550, but the end result is I hadn't 
slept enough, it's the 9650SE-4LPML.


I checked the CVS sources for the twa driver, they haven't been touched in 
many months so I don't feel it's likely support has been added within 
there.  Anyone have any idea how to make this card work?


-Dan Mahoney

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Well, what was it then?

I think it was some mixture of Rubbing Alcohol, and Desenex(TM) Foot
Powder, because my feet feel okay, and my back doesn't hurt, but my
stomach is killing me!

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Re: Problem with built-in USB memory card reader

2007-01-03 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Alexander Pohoyda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Everything works perfect if the system is started with a memory card
 inserted into the reader.

 The problem arises when the system is started without the memory card
 inserted.  Since the reader is built-in (permanently attached to the
 motherboard), it is detected by the system at startup and no umass
 device is created.  Inserting a memory card at some later time has no
 visible effect whatsoever.

 I'm using the 5.4 release.  Is there a solution for this?

USB handling would be better in a more recent release of FreeBSD, but
I think you should be getting the basic da(4) device, just not the
slices (which aren't there yet) if the medium isn't available at
boot.  Is that the case?  [I haven't done this in a while, and don't
have access to a card reader at the moment.]
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Re: gdm automatic login

2007-01-03 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Alla Gofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hello Joe!

  

 I followed the suggestion that you gave in following link about gdm
 automatic login

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-August/054439.
 html

 and my portable computer also hangs on login screen after I reboot.

 The message is Authentication failed. Letters must be typed in the
 correct case.

That advice doesn't seem to be correct any more; the default PAM
configuration should be appropriate for use with GDM.  [I think; 
I don't actually use gdm, so I can't test this.]
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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread Kurt Buff

On 1/2/07, James Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip my problem description

Hi, Kurt.

Can I make some assumptions that simplify things?  No kinky filenames,
just [a-zA-Z0-9.].  My approach specifically doesn't like colons or
spaces, I bet.  Also, you say gzipped, so I'm assuming it's ONLY gzip,
no bzip2, etc.


Right, no other compression types - just .gz.

Here's a small snippet of the directory listing:

-rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt   108208 Dec 21 06:15 dummy-zKLQEWrDDOZh
-rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt24989 Dec 28 17:29 dummy-zfzaEjlURTU1
-rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt30596 Jan  2 19:37 stuff-0+-OvVrXcEoq.gz
-rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt 2055 Dec 22 20:25 stuff-0+19OXqwpEdH.gz
-rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt13781 Dec 30 03:53 stuff-0+1bMFK2XvlQ.gz
-rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt11485 Dec 20 04:40 stuff-0+5jriDIt0jc.gz



Here's a first draft that might give you some ideas.  It will output:

foo.gz : 3456
bar.gz : 1048576
(etc.)

find . -type f | while read fname; do
  file $fname | grep -q compressed  echo $fname : $(zcat $fname | wc -c)
done


If you really need a script that will do the math for you, then
pip the output of this into bc:

#!/bin/sh

find . -type f | {

n=0
echo scale=2
echo -n (
while read fname; do
  if file $fname | grep -q compressed
  then
echo -n $(zcat $fname | wc -c)+
n=$(($n+1))
  fi
done
echo 0) / $n

}

That should give you the average decompressed size of the gzip'ped
files in the current directory.



Hmmm

That's the same basic approach that Giogos took, to uncompress the
file and count bytes with wc. I'm liking the 'zcat -l' contstruct, as
it looks more flexible, but then I have to parse the output, probably
with grep and cut.

Time to put on my thinking cap - I'll get back to the list on this.

Kurt
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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Wednesday, January 03, 2007 17:17:17 +0100 dick hoogendijk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:

Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure


According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
Why do you?


Where does it say that?  According to the online docs 
(http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kdm/configuring-your-system-for-kdm.html)

'For FreeBSD, edit /etc/ttys and find the line like this:

ttyv8   /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon  xterm   off secure

and edit it to this:

ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm  xterm   on secure'

But that's not the same as saying don't use -nodaemon.

According to the FreeBSD Handbook 
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.html#X11-WM-KDE-DETAILS)


'To enable kdm, the ttyv8 entry in /etc/ttys has to be adapted. The line 
should look as follows:


ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon xterm on secure'

If you detach the parent process, what happens when the child process dies? 
Will the parent respawn another child without initd running?


In any case, I did what the Handbook stated, because I trust that the 
FreeBSD developers know what they're doing, and that's what they told the 
guys that write the docs to use for kdm.  Someone with more knowledge than 
I have would have to explain the technical aspects of that choice.


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/

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Re: termcaps: xdm vs. startx

2007-01-03 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So if I run xdm on startup, when I log in, my up arrow gives '[[A' instead
 of command history, backspace, other keys have similar effects.  If I log in
 then do startx, everything works as expected.  It's really not an issue for
 me, I'm just curious.  I tried changing the line in /etc/ttys from . on
 xterm. to .on xterm-color with no apparent effects.  I presume
 there is some difference in terms of login scripts with xdm vs. startx?

You presume correctly.  The manual for each describe the full set of
options, but users will typically have a .xsession file in their home
directories for the former, and .xinitrc for the latter.

/etc/ttys is not relevant.  How the xterms get started within the X 
session is the key.
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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread Kurt Buff

On 1/3/07, Ian Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Message: 17
  Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:50:01 -0800
  From: James Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Message: 28
   Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:20:08 -0800
   From: Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   I don't even have a clue how to start this one, so am looking for a little 
help.
  
   I've got a directory with a large number of gzipped files in it (over
   110k) along with a few thousand uncompressed files.

If it were me I'd mv those into a bunch of subdirectories; things get
really slow with more than 500 or so files per directory .. anyway ..


I just store them for a while - delete them after two weeks if they're
not needed again. The overhead isn't enough to worry about at this
point.


   I'd like to find the average uncompressed size of the gzipped files,
   and ignore the uncompressed files.
  
   How on earth would I go about doing that with the default shell (no
   bash or other shells installed), or in perl, or something like that.
   I'm no scripter of any great expertise, and am just stumbling over
   this trying to find an approach.
  
   Many thanks for any help,
  
   Kurt
 
  Hi, Kurt.

And hi, James,

  Can I make some assumptions that simplify things?  No kinky filenames,
  just [a-zA-Z0-9.].  My approach specifically doesn't like colons or
  spaces, I bet.  Also, you say gzipped, so I'm assuming it's ONLY gzip,
  no bzip2, etc.
 
  Here's a first draft that might give you some ideas.  It will output:
 
  foo.gz : 3456
  bar.gz : 1048576
  (etc.)
 
  find . -type f | while read fname; do
file $fname | grep -q compressed  echo $fname : $(zcat $fname | wc 
-c)
  done

 % file cat7/tuning.7.gz
 cat7/tuning.7.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix

Good check, though grep gzip compressed excludes bzip2 etc.

But you REALLY don't want to zcat 110 thousand files just to wc 'em,
unless it's a benchmark :) .. may I suggest a slight speedup, template:

 % gunzip -l cat7/tuning.7.gz
 compressed  uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name
 13642 38421  64.5% cat7/tuning.7

  If you really need a script that will do the math for you, then
  pip the output of this into bc:
 
  #!/bin/sh
 
  find . -type f | {
 
  n=0
  echo scale=2
  echo -n (
  while read fname; do
-if file $fname | grep -q compressed
+if file $fname | grep -q gzip compressed
then
-  echo -n $(zcat $fname | wc -c)+
+  echo -n $(gunzip -l $fname | grep -v comp | awk '{print $2}')+
  n=$(($n+1))
fi
  done
  echo 0) / $n
 
  }
 
  That should give you the average decompressed size of the gzip'ped
  files in the current directory.

HTH, Ian



Ah - yes, I think that's much better. I should have thought of awk.

At some point, I'd like to do a bit more processing of file sizes,
such as trying to find out the number of IP packets each file would
take during an SMTP transaction, so that I could categorize overhead a
bit, but for now the average uncompressed file size is good enough.

Thanks again for your help!

Kurt
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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread Kurt Buff

On 1/2/07, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 2007-01-02 10:20, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can probably use awk(1) or perl(1) to post-process the output of
gzip(1).

The gzip(1) utility, when run with the -cd options will uncompress the
compressed files and send the uncompressed data to standard output,
without actually affecting the on-disk copy of the compressed data.

It is easy then to pipe the uncompressed data to wc(1) to count the
'bytes' of the uncompressed data:

for fname in *.Z *.z *.gz; do
if test -f ${fname}; then
gzip -cd ${fname} | wc -c
fi
done

This will print the byte-size of the uncompressed output of gzip, for
all the files which are currently compressed.  Something like the
following could be its output:


I put together this one-liner after perusing 'man zcat':

find /local/amavis/virusmails -name *.gz -print | xargs zcat -l  out.txt

It puts out multiple instances of stuff like this:

compressed  uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name
1508  3470  57.0% stuff-7f+BIOFX1-qX
1660  3576  54.0% stuff-bsFK-yGcWyCm
9113 17065  46.7% stuff-os1MKlKGu8ky
...
...
...
10214796  17845081  42.7% (totals)
compressed  uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name
7790 14732  47.2% stuff-Z3UO7-uvMANd
1806  3705  51.7% stuff-9ADk-DSBFQGQ
9020 16638  45.8% stuff-Caqfgao-Tc5F
7508 14361  47.8% stuff-kVUWa8ua4zxc

I'm thinking that piping the output like so:

find /local/amavis/virusmails -name *.gz -print | xargs zcat -l |
grep -v compress | grep-v totals

will do to suppress extraneous header/footer info



This can be piped into awk(1) for further processing, with something
like this:

for fname in *.Z *.gz; do
if test -f $fname; then
gzip -cd $fname | wc -c
fi
done | \
awk 'BEGIN {
min = -1; max = 0; total = 0;
}
{
total += $1;
if ($1  max) {
max = $1;
}
if (min == -1 || $1  min) {
min = $1;
}
}
END {
if (NR  0) {
printf min/avg/max file size = %d/%d/%d\n,
min, total / NR, max;
}
}'

With the same files as above, the output of this would be:

min/avg/max file size = 220381/1750650/3280920

With a slightly modified awk(1) script, you can even print a running
min/average/max count, following each line.  Mmodified lines marked with
a pipe character (`|') in their leftmost column below.  The '|'
characters are *not* part of the script itself.

for fname in *.Z *.gz; do
if test -f $fname; then
gzip -cd $fname | wc -c
fi
done | \
awk 'BEGIN {
min = -1; max = 0; total = 0;
|   printf %10s %10s %10s %10s\n,
|   SIZE, MIN, AVERAGE, MAX;
}
{
total += $1;
if ($1  max) {
max = $1;
}
if (min == -1 || $1  min) {
min = $1;
}
|   printf %10d %10d %10d %10d\n,
|   $1, min, total/NR, max;
}
END {
if (NR  0) {
|   printf %10s %10d %10d %10d\n,
|   TOTAL, min, total / NR, max;
}
}'

When run with the same set of two compressed files this will print:

  SIZEMINAVERAGEMAX
220381 220381 220381 220381
   3280920 22038117506503280920
 TOTAL 22038117506503280920

Please note though that with a sufficiently large set of files, awk(1)
may fail to count the total number of bytes correctly.  If this is the
case, it should be easy to write an equivalent Perl or Python script,
to take advantage of their big-number support.


I'll try to parse and understand this, and see if I can modify it to
suit the output I'm currently generating.

Many thanks for the help!

Kurt
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Re: question

2007-01-03 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Juan Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi, I installed freeBSD 6.1-RELEASE on my Compaq ADM4, and when I
 input the command, Xorg -configure, theres some errors:

 dlopen: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/newport_drv.so: Undefined
 symbol XAAFall back0ps
 (EE) Failed to load /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/newport_drv.so
 (EE) Failed to load module newport (loader failed, 7)
 (++) Using config file: /root/xorg.conf.new


 I dont know whats wrong with it, I installed Xorg and its libraries
 but for some reason it cant find the modules, any help?

That module isn't supposed to be installed, anyway.  
How did it get into your configuration file?
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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-03 10:42, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1/2/07, James Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip my problem description
 Hi, Kurt.
 
 Can I make some assumptions that simplify things?  No kinky filenames,
 just [a-zA-Z0-9.].  My approach specifically doesn't like colons or
 spaces, I bet.  Also, you say gzipped, so I'm assuming it's ONLY gzip,
 no bzip2, etc.

 Right, no other compression types - just .gz.

 Here's a small snippet of the directory listing:

 -rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt   108208 Dec 21 06:15 dummy-zKLQEWrDDOZh
 -rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt24989 Dec 28 17:29 dummy-zfzaEjlURTU1
 -rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt30596 Jan  2 19:37 stuff-0+-OvVrXcEoq.gz
 -rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt 2055 Dec 22 20:25 stuff-0+19OXqwpEdH.gz
 -rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt13781 Dec 30 03:53 stuff-0+1bMFK2XvlQ.gz
 -rw-r-  1 kurt  kurt11485 Dec 20 04:40 stuff-0+5jriDIt0jc.gz

 Here's a first draft [...]

 Hmmm

 That's the same basic approach that Giogos took, to uncompress the
 file and count bytes with wc. I'm liking the 'zcat -l' contstruct, as
 it looks more flexible, but then I have to parse the output, probably
 with grep and cut.

Excellent.  I didn't know about the -l option of gzip(1) until today :)

You can easily extract the uncompressed size, because it's always in
column 2 and it contains only numeric digits:

gzip -l *.gz *.Z *.z | awk '{print $2}' | grep '[[:digit:]]\+'

Then you can feed the resulting stream of uncompressed sizes to the awk
script I sent before :)

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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-03 10:28, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I put together this one-liner after perusing 'man zcat':
 
 find /local/amavis/virusmails -name *.gz -print | xargs zcat -l  out.txt
 
 It puts out multiple instances of stuff like this:
 
 compressed  uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name
 1508  3470  57.0% stuff-7f+BIOFX1-qX
 1660  3576  54.0% stuff-bsFK-yGcWyCm
 9113 17065  46.7% stuff-os1MKlKGu8ky
 ...
 ...
 ...
 10214796  17845081  42.7% (totals)
 compressed  uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name
 7790 14732  47.2% stuff-Z3UO7-uvMANd
 1806  3705  51.7% stuff-9ADk-DSBFQGQ
 9020 16638  45.8% stuff-Caqfgao-Tc5F
 7508 14361  47.8% stuff-kVUWa8ua4zxc
 
 I'm thinking that piping the output like so:
 
 find /local/amavis/virusmails -name *.gz -print | xargs zcat -l |
 grep -v compress | grep-v totals
 
 will do to suppress extraneous header/footer info

Sure.  This is also better than grabbing the second column
unconditionally, which I suggested before :)
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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, John Nielsen wrote:


1) Boot to complete install CD
2) Go into Fixit mode (not just the emergency shell)
3) # sysctl kern.module_path=/dist/boot/kernel
4) # kldload twa
5) # exit
6) proceed with installation

This shouldn't be necessary though, since twa is included in GENERIC for
both FreeBSD 6.1 and 6.2 (did you say what version you were trying to
install?).

Now, if your controller is too new to be included in the shipping version
of twa then that's another matter. If you have a binary kernel module that
uses a different driver name from the vendor you could use the same general
approach, but you'd want to configure your network interface and set up
your NFS mount prior to step 3, and include the appropriate NFS path in the
sysctl command in step 3.


This is the case.  I've emailed the folks in charge so that the new 
version of the 3ware drivers can be included in newer versions of FreeBSD.



Forgot to mention you'd also need to manually copy the vendor driver and
modify /boot/loader.conf on the newly installed system so it could actually
boot.. you could easily take care of that from the fixit mode shell after the
installation, though.


Yup.  In the case of a module name collision, is it safe to rename my 
module so that subsequent system builds won't overwrite it (i.e. rename if 
from twa.ko to twa2.ko) or will that break something?)


-Dan

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will it work?

2007-01-03 Thread X X
Hello,
I want to have a home server on my network. I have a
pc with AMD Athlon xp 2200+ processor, 1gb ddr ram, 2-
500gb hard drives, 10/100 lan. I need it to serve
files to 5 computers. It has to allow remote access
from outside the network by administrator. It has to
allow me to serve 2 websites. It has to be a ftp
server. It needs to work with both windows and macs on
the network. It has to have the ability to run
automated backups to either internal hd (like raid
mirroring) or usb external hd. It will be connected to
the home network by wired ethernet. It will NOT have
to dhcp (router does that). Is there a way to set up
freebsd to work as this type of server? 
Thank you


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kde and kooka

2007-01-03 Thread Steel City Phantom

sorry if this is the wrong list

i updated to kde 3.5.4 and now kooka doesn't see my scanner.  the 
scanner is listed in the boot log, sane-find-scanner finds it no 
problem.  but when i load kooka it doesn't see it.  from within kooka if 
i go to choose scanner, i don't even get a dialog box up.  is there some 
switch i forgot or don't know about when i updated kdegraphics?


thanks
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FreeBSD Architecture

2007-01-03 Thread Nerenberg Daniel D 1stLt AFIT/ENG

   Is there a diagram somewhere that = describes how FreeBSD is
   organized?  For example, Linux has the = following diagram:

   3DPicture

   From everything I have found this = diagram also applies to FreeBSD
   simply by replacing the Linux kernel = with the FreeBSD kernel.  Is
   this accurate?  I attached a .doc = with the diagram just in case the
   above diagram does not come through = for some reason.

   Thank you in advance for all your = help.
   Respecfully,
   Daniel Nerenberg

   = LinuxArchitecture.doc
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Emacs vs XEmacs: which to choose for plain console using?

2007-01-03 Thread a
What are advantages and disadvantages of xemacs over emacs?
Which to choose for plain console using?

Elisej Babenko

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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread John Nielsen
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 14:18, John Nielsen wrote:
 On Wednesday 03 January 2007 12:34, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
  On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
   Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
   Hey all,
  
   I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550 card.
   It's a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots as a
   workaround is likely to be impossible.
  
   I don't think you need a driver - it's already there.
   apropos 3ware
   twa(4)- 3ware 9000/9500/9550 series SATA RAID controllers driver
   twe(4)- 3ware 5000/6000/7000/8000 series PATA/SATA RAID adapter driver
 
  Oh I'm sorry, then why didn't I just install the OS?  Because it said no
  drives found!
 
  The card doesn't probe at boot, and there's an elaborate howto on 3ware's
  site that describes HOW to get it to probe at boot.
 
  While I myself stated that the driver DOES appear to be in the base, for
  whatever reason the kernel on the install CD doesn't include it, nor the
  ability to kldload a module from anyplace easy.

 You were on the right track with the emergency shell, but the Fixit mode
 (now included on disk 1 for your convenience) gives you a lot more
 flexibility (inclusion of ls is just the start!). Have you tried
 something like this?

 1) Boot to complete install CD
 2) Go into Fixit mode (not just the emergency shell)
 3) # sysctl kern.module_path=/dist/boot/kernel
 4) # kldload twa
 5) # exit
 6) proceed with installation

 This shouldn't be necessary though, since twa is included in GENERIC for
 both FreeBSD 6.1 and 6.2 (did you say what version you were trying to
 install?).

 Now, if your controller is too new to be included in the shipping version
 of twa then that's another matter. If you have a binary kernel module that
 uses a different driver name from the vendor you could use the same general
 approach, but you'd want to configure your network interface and set up
 your NFS mount prior to step 3, and include the appropriate NFS path in the
 sysctl command in step 3.

Forgot to mention you'd also need to manually copy the vendor driver and 
modify /boot/loader.conf on the newly installed system so it could actually 
boot.. you could easily take care of that from the fixit mode shell after the 
installation, though.
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Re: Easier way to install on 3ware 9550 card?

2007-01-03 Thread John Nielsen
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 12:34, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
  Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
  Hey all,
 
  I have a new system with NO FLOPPY CONTROLLER and a 3ware 9550 card. 
  It's a 1u system -- sticking extra things into PCI slots as a workaround
  is likely to be impossible.
 
  I don't think you need a driver - it's already there.
  apropos 3ware
  twa(4)- 3ware 9000/9500/9550 series SATA RAID controllers driver
  twe(4)- 3ware 5000/6000/7000/8000 series PATA/SATA RAID adapter driver

 Oh I'm sorry, then why didn't I just install the OS?  Because it said no
 drives found!

 The card doesn't probe at boot, and there's an elaborate howto on 3ware's
 site that describes HOW to get it to probe at boot.

 While I myself stated that the driver DOES appear to be in the base, for
 whatever reason the kernel on the install CD doesn't include it, nor the
 ability to kldload a module from anyplace easy.

You were on the right track with the emergency shell, but the Fixit mode 
(now included on disk 1 for your convenience) gives you a lot more 
flexibility (inclusion of ls is just the start!). Have you tried something 
like this?

1) Boot to complete install CD
2) Go into Fixit mode (not just the emergency shell)
3) # sysctl kern.module_path=/dist/boot/kernel
4) # kldload twa
5) # exit
6) proceed with installation

This shouldn't be necessary though, since twa is included in GENERIC for both 
FreeBSD 6.1 and 6.2 (did you say what version you were trying to install?).

Now, if your controller is too new to be included in the shipping version of 
twa then that's another matter. If you have a binary kernel module that uses 
a different driver name from the vendor you could use the same general 
approach, but you'd want to configure your network interface and set up your 
NFS mount prior to step 3, and include the appropriate NFS path in the sysctl 
command in step 3.

HTH,

JN
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Re: Emacs vs XEmacs: which to choose for plain console using?

2007-01-03 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What are advantages and disadvantages of xemacs over emacs?


At one point, there was substantial disagreement amongst the Emacs  
developers about how to add support for new windowing systems besides  
X11, and this ended up forking the project; for a while, XEmacs had  
much better native font-handling and color management on non-X11  
platforms like Windows, NEXTSTEP/MacOS X, etc.


Most of those changes have been reverse-merged into the main Emacs  
tree since, so the differences are no longer as significant.



Which to choose for plain console using?


Under the console or a normal terminal useage, there's no real  
difference.


--
-Chuck

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FreeBSD Installer vs RedHat Linux Fedora Core Installer?

2007-01-03 Thread Peter aka SweetPete

Hello, I used to be on this mailing list several years ago, and have
recently rejoined.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png

  vs.

http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.html#sn-booting-from-disc
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png

Could I begin a thread (now) about a comparison (and relatively
inferiorness) of the following two installers please??  I WOULD run
FreeBSD at home instead of Fedora if the installer were more .erm,
Microsoftly.

Do you among the developer circle hear this kind of thing from time to time?

Mucho oblingato con queso (cheese).

-Peter
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Re: FreeBSD Architecture

2007-01-03 Thread Kurt Buff

Try this:

http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201702452

The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System, by
Marshall Kirk McKusick, George V. Neville-Neil


Kurt

On 1/3/07, Nerenberg Daniel D 1stLt AFIT/ENG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   Is there a diagram somewhere that  describes how FreeBSD is
   organized?  For example, Linux has the  following diagram:

   3DPicture

   From everything I have found this  diagram also applies to FreeBSD
   simply by replacing the Linux kernel  with the FreeBSD kernel.  Is
   this accurate?  I attached a .doc  with the diagram just in case the
   above diagram does not come through  for some reason.

   Thank you in advance for all your  help.
   Respecfully,
   Daniel Nerenberg

LinuxArchitecture.doc


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Re: FreeBSD Installer vs RedHat Linux Fedora Core Installer?

2007-01-03 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Peter aka SweetPete [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello, I used to be on this mailing list several years ago, and have
 recently rejoined.
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.html
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png
 
vs.
 
 http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.html#sn-booting-from-disc
 http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png
 
 Could I begin a thread (now) about a comparison (and relatively
 inferiorness) of the following two installers please??  I WOULD run
 FreeBSD at home instead of Fedora if the installer were more .erm,
 Microsoftly.
 
 Do you among the developer circle hear this kind of thing from time to time?

This seems to come up over and over again.  About every other month.

The developers are aware of it.  The general consensus is that yes, our
installer could be nicer/prettier/easier/etc

However, until someone either takes the time to write a better one, or
foots some cash to get a better one written, or blackmails a developer
in to doing it or something else, we still have what we have.

I think the biggest problem is that the installer is good enough -- so
nobody is particularly interested in rewriting it until it's not good
enough any more -- even though it could be better.

-- 
Bill Moran
Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Robert Huff

This is probably staring me in the face:

if [ ! -d foo] 
then mkdir foo
fi

gives me:

[: missing ]

Looking at rc.subr I see:

if [ ! -d $linkdir ]; then
   warn $_me: the directory $linkdir does not exist.
   return 1
fi


Robert Huff
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Re: what is operator group for?

2007-01-03 Thread Rico Secada
On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:30:49 +
Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Chris

You could run a: find / -type f -group operator 
to see all files where operator is the group.

Forgive me if I am wrong but I actually think this is the best way to find out.

 Hi all
 
 can anyone tell me what the operator group is for, or docs where I can
 read about it? I see that /sbin/shutdown and /sbin/mk_snap_ffs are both 
 executable by members and various things in /dev/ are mountable by them.
 
 I want a regular user to be able to mount removeable media and shutdown 
 the computer. If I make them a member of operator group what else am I
 allowing them to do?
 
 Thanks
 
 Chris
 
 
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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
   This is probably staring me in the face:
 
 if [ ! -d foo] 
   then mkdir foo
 fi
 
   gives me:
 
 [: missing ]
 
   Looking at rc.subr I see:
 
 if [ ! -d $linkdir ]; then
warn $_me: the directory $linkdir does not exist.
return 1
 fi

The ; after the ] ?

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Which version of BIND to use on FreeBSD 6.1?

2007-01-03 Thread patrick

I'm trying to figure out which is the best version of BIND to use on
FreeBSD 6.1? I've always stuck with FreeBSD's base version, and since
upgrading from FreeBSD 4.x to 6.1, that meant moving from BIND 8.3.x
to 9.3.2. I've encountered numerous problems since moving to 9.3.2
which primarily revolve around exponential increases in memory and CPU
usage.

On our BIND 8.3.x setup, we have 750 master domains. Memory usage is
just shy of 70MBs. On our new server with BIND 9.3.2, we have
currently 140 master domains, and memory usage continually grows until
FreeBSD cuts it off. I have discovered the max-cache-size option
which allows me set an upper limit, but when the named process hits
that limit, it starts eating up all available CPU cycles. I've seen
some similar reports from other users, but haven't found any real
solutions.

While browsing the ports tree, I found I have my pick of BIND 8.3.x,
8.4.x, and a ports version of 9.3.x (not sure exactly how this differs
from base -- more current?). Our needs are fairly basic -- we have a
few DNS servers, and each are masters and slaves, helping one another
out. We're not using DNSSEC or anything. I'm wondering what other
people are generally using, and which version works best for them?

Thanks,

Patrick
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Re: FreeBSD Installer vs RedHat Linux Fedora Core Installer?

2007-01-03 Thread Steve Franks

As a recent BSD initiate, I can say, if you read all the details, and use
the defaults for everything (especially 'A' for label) (except most people
want X-user for the distribution), then everything works great.

Have you looked at PC-BSD?  They seem to want to be more MS-like, but I
found they have next to no documentation, and they break things that are
perfectly doable in regular free-bsd by reading the handbook.  Also pc-bsd
is KDE-centric, and I'm more of a XFCE  Gnome lover.

My overall reaction: What the installer lacks in
goodness/utility/pick-an-adjective, the handbook more than makes up for,
if you don't mind reading it.  It has answered pretty much all of my
questions.  It's a hell of a resource, and I wish the same existed for MS
(although with Vista, I'm really not planning on using MS anymore anyway).

Steve

On 1/3/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In response to Peter aka SweetPete [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello, I used to be on this mailing list several years ago, and have
 recently rejoined.


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.html

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png

vs.


http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.html#sn-booting-from-disc
 http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png

 Could I begin a thread (now) about a comparison (and relatively
 inferiorness) of the following two installers please??  I WOULD run
 FreeBSD at home instead of Fedora if the installer were more .erm,
 Microsoftly.

 Do you among the developer circle hear this kind of thing from time to
time?

This seems to come up over and over again.  About every other month.

The developers are aware of it.  The general consensus is that yes, our
installer could be nicer/prettier/easier/etc

However, until someone either takes the time to write a better one, or
foots some cash to get a better one written, or blackmails a developer
in to doing it or something else, we still have what we have.

I think the biggest problem is that the installer is good enough -- so
nobody is particularly interested in rewriting it until it's not good
enough any more -- even though it could be better.

--
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Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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RE: FreeBSD Installer vs RedHat Linux Fedora Core Installer?

2007-01-03 Thread Jim Stapleton

I have made a post like this before, so I can hardly criticise you for
that, though my goal was more to try to consolidate a group to work on
the issue.

I'll say this, while the graphics aren't as pretty as those of many
Linux distros, the FreeBSD installer is a lot more user friendly and
workable in 6.x than it was in 5.2 (5.3?) when I had tried it
previously. It may not be a pretty GUI, but it has the functionality
and flexibility, in fact, a bit more than even the GUIs of those I'd
say, and it's not user-unfriendly anymore.

Additionally, it's worth the switch now, simply for the fact that
although the learning curve is a touch higher when things work, it's a
lot lower when fixing things that don't, add to that the fact that
more of the listed supported stuff just works without the hassle you
get on Linux, it's well worth the switch.

-Jim Stapleton
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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Robert Huff wrote:

if [ ! -d foo]
then mkdir foo
fi


You want a space before the ] and a semicolon after it.

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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Kevin Downey

On 1/3/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In response to Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


   This is probably staring me in the face:

 if [ ! -d foo]
   then mkdir foo
 fi

   gives me:

 [: missing ]

   Looking at rc.subr I see:

 if [ ! -d $linkdir ]; then
warn $_me: the directory $linkdir does not exist.
return 1
 fi

The ; after the ] ?

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you need a space before the ']'

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Re: Problem with built-in USB memory card reader

2007-01-03 Thread Alexander Pohoyda
Lowell Gilbert writes:

 Alexander Pohoyda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Everything works perfect if the system is started with a memory card
  inserted into the reader.
 
  The problem arises when the system is started without the memory card
  inserted.  Since the reader is built-in (permanently attached to the
  motherboard), it is detected by the system at startup and no umass
  device is created.  Inserting a memory card at some later time has no
  visible effect whatsoever.
 
  I'm using the 5.4 release.  Is there a solution for this?
 
 USB handling would be better in a more recent release of FreeBSD, but
 I think you should be getting the basic da(4) device, just not the
 slices (which aren't there yet) if the medium isn't available at
 boot.  Is that the case?  [I haven't done this in a while, and don't
 have access to a card reader at the moment.]

Yes, exactly.  If no memory cards were inserted at the boot, only
da(4) devices are created and inserting/removing memory cards
afterwards has no visible effect.  This behavior is well known also
for external USB card readers, but those are easily
detached/re-attached which triggers their re-scanning.

I'm asking because Ms Windows somehow gets the insertion event and
mounts the memory card automatically.  So that is be possible.

Does anybody know how that is done?

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Re: Emacs vs XEmacs: which to choose for plain console using?

2007-01-03 Thread Andrey Slusar
Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:41:57 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What are advantages and disadvantages of xemacs over emacs?
 Which to choose for plain console using?

Emacs by default is very usable in plain FreeBSD сonsole, also
XEmacs is not.
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DB43 sysmlink problem

2007-01-03 Thread doug
I have installed db43-4.3.29. The install sets up symlinks to the db commands
as:

   /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3@ - db43/db_dump

As non of the symlinks work, it appears to me they should be set up as:

   /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3@ - /usr/local/bin/db43/db_dump

Is this correct, or am I missing something?

_
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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 03), Robert Huff said:
 
   This is probably staring me in the face:
 
 if [ ! -d foo] 
   then mkdir foo
 fi
 
   gives me:
 
 [: missing ]
 
   Looking at rc.subr I see:
 
 if [ ! -d $linkdir ]; then
warn $_me: the directory $linkdir does not exist.
return 1
 fi

You need a space between foo and ] .

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Re: FreeBSD Installer vs RedHat Linux Fedora Core Installer?

2007-01-03 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:42:35AM -0800, Peter aka SweetPete wrote:

 Hello, I used to be on this mailing list several years ago, and have
 recently rejoined.
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.html
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png
 
   vs.
 
 http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.html#sn-booting-from-disc
 http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png
 
 Could I begin a thread (now) about a comparison (and relatively
 inferiorness) of the following two installers please??  I WOULD run
 FreeBSD at home instead of Fedora if the installer were more .erm,
 Microsoftly.

I would suggest starting a separate list for this.
This topic has been beat to death on this list and everyone
is weary of it.

You can fish through the archives for lots of posts.

It comes down to most FreeBSD users do not want a cuter Gui-er installer
that interferes with just doing things in a straightforward way nor
one that makes decisions for them.   They want to boot it, pick what
they need (not what some self-named guru thinks they need) and then
let it run.

It is acknowledged that some pieces of the installer might be getting
a bit old and creaky, but it works and you only use it once per install.
There are lots of other things to work on that get used lots of times
per day that people can put their time in to, plus advances in the
general design and implementation of some advanced features for the OS.
So, you won't get much sympathy on weaknesses in the installer that
only gets used twice per year and especially to make it more (ugghh gaaag)
microslothty.

There are people who have created their own contained install versions
of FreeBSD that includes their own favorite install choices and glob
of ports, made a bootup CD of it that will plunk that on a machine.
You could play with one of those or make up your own.   It takes some
big initial work, but is pretty easy after that.One that comes to
mind is Freesbie and there are others.

So, make up your own list to jaw about your favorite install choices
and ports set and create your own contained install version.
Have fun and avoid being thought a troll by trying to jam this subject 
down people's throats yet one more time.

jerry

 
 Do you among the developer circle hear this kind of thing from time to time?
 
 Mucho oblingato con queso (cheese).
 
 -Peter
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Re: will it work?

2007-01-03 Thread Bart Silverstrim


On Jan 3, 2007, at 1:16 PM, X X wrote:


Hello,
I want to have a home server on my network. I have a
pc with AMD Athlon xp 2200+ processor, 1gb ddr ram, 2-
500gb hard drives, 10/100 lan. I need it to serve
files to 5 computers. It has to allow remote access
from outside the network by administrator. It has to
allow me to serve 2 websites. It has to be a ftp
server. It needs to work with both windows and macs on
the network. It has to have the ability to run
automated backups to either internal hd (like raid
mirroring) or usb external hd. It will be connected to
the home network by wired ethernet. It will NOT have
to dhcp (router does that). Is there a way to set up
freebsd to work as this type of server?


Will it work?  Yes, you can do that.

Should you?  If you're absolutely green around the collar, you need  
to get a book like the FreeBSD Unleashed book and/or the FreeBSD  
bible, where it can step you through the steps necessary to configure  
this.


You're asking several questions at once.

For example, access from the outside in.  For what services?  SSH?   
Windows sharing?  It could be something as simple as just forwarding  
port 22 to your server from the home router.  Windows sharing?  Much  
more complicated...you're talking about using a VPN to do that.


Web sites...you probably would want Apache with virtual hosting.   
Possible, more complicated than many people want to try tackling as a  
first project.


Your server would need a static, not DHCP, address.

Automated backups?  That can be done with some kind of cron script or  
using Amanda.  I'd strongly recommend an external hard drive or two  
so you can move them offsite, and if storage allows, use RAID 1 on  
your drives just to have better drive integrity.


FTP services should not be hard, using something like ProFTP.  But  
why?  Is it just you using this network, or family with their own  
accounts?  Random strangers?


I ask because a lot of file transfers can be done using SSH/SCP  
(using a utility on the Mac like Fugu, and Windows should have a  
utility like that using SSH in the background).  You'll also want to  
use something like ClamAV and chkrootkit and rkhunter on your system  
to check for intrusion, and probably also add on some kind of file  
integrity system like Tripwire.


If you're considering printers, I'd strongly urge you to splurge on a  
network printer from HP.  That way they can be used when computers  
are off, and setting them up are just a matter of pointing a virtual  
port or printer setup to an hp port on a particular IP address  
(plus, of course, the driver for that model printer).  I found that  
it gets kind of weird to configure a Unix system to pose as a Windows  
system to hand out Windows printer shares to non-Windows (ie, Mac)  
systems.  It can be done, but...well, maybe it's just me.


Anyway, get the big books that go over the details of the type of  
project you're looking at, and break down your project into  
individual goals.  As you worded the question it can indeed be done,  
but if you've never done anything like this before it may be a bit  
much to swallow in one fell swoop unless you have a buddy or two  
that's familiar with this type of setup.


-Bart
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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:07:43PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote:

 
   This is probably staring me in the face:
 
 if [ ! -d foo] 
   then mkdir foo
 fi
 
   gives me:
 
 [: missing ]

It is probably not telling you ':' missing but ';' missing.
It goes after the ']', plus I think the space before ']' is required.

jerry

 
   Looking at rc.subr I see:
 
 if [ ! -d $linkdir ]; then
warn $_me: the directory $linkdir does not exist.
return 1
 fi
 
 
   Robert Huff
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Re: FreeBSD Installer vs RedHat Linux Fedora Core Installer?

2007-01-03 Thread bobmc

   Bill Moran wrote:

In response to Peter aka SweetPete [1][EMAIL PROTECTED]:



Hello, I used to be on this mailing list several years ago, and have
recently rejoined.

[2]http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.h
tml
[3]http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png

   vs.

[4]http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.
html#sn-booting-from-disc
[5]http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png

Could I begin a thread (now) about a comparison (and relatively
inferiorness) of the following two installers please??  I WOULD run
FreeBSD at home instead of Fedora if the installer were more .erm,
Microsoftly.

Do you among the developer circle hear this kind of thing from time to time?


This seems to come up over and over again.  About every other month.

The developers are aware of it.  The general consensus is that yes, our
installer could be nicer/prettier/easier/etc

However, until someone either takes the time to write a better one, or
foots some cash to get a better one written, or blackmails a developer
in to doing it or something else, we still have what we have.

I think the biggest problem is that the installer is good enough -- so
nobody is particularly interested in rewriting it until it's not good
enough any more -- even though it could be better.



   Coincidently, issue 68 of linuxuser.co.uk has a positive review of
   Fedora 6.
   But Cons: Anacoda installer is clumsy and poorly designed, due for a
   major overhaul.  (in the reviewer's opinion).  It looks fine to me?
   I like Mepis Linux for it's superior usability and attention to
   detail. But in
   FreeBSD I am looking for a lightweight efficient OS that can run a
   media
   management system (TBD) on a low-power Mini-ITX computer.
   IMO, iterative and incremental developement in the FOSS way is more
   effective than paradigm shift.  Therefore, the existing sysinstall
   program
   can be improved by setting up a mini-project to do just that.
   I am sure there are plenty of ideas to improve usability.  How about
   replacing most of these sequential dialogues with  tabbed panels where
   you
   can check settings in any order?  -Bob-

References

   1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   2. 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.html
   3. 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png
   4. 
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.html#sn-booting-from-disc
   5. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png
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Re: DB43 sysmlink problem

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 03), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 I have installed db43-4.3.29. The install sets up symlinks to the db
 commands as:
 
/usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3@ - db43/db_dump
 
 As non of the symlinks work, it appears to me they should be set up as:
 
/usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3@ - /usr/local/bin/db43/db_dump
 
 Is this correct, or am I missing something?

The command works for me.  What error are you getting?

$ db_dump-4.3 -V
Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.3.29: (September  6, 2005)
$ which db_dump-4.3
/usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3
$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  12 Nov  8 10:55 /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3 - 
db43/db_dump
$ 

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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Kevin Downey

On 1/3/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:07:43PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote:


   This is probably staring me in the face:

 if [ ! -d foo]
   then mkdir foo
 fi

   gives me:

 [: missing ]

It is probably not telling you ':' missing but ';' missing.
It goes after the ']', plus I think the space before ']' is required.

jerry


   Looking at rc.subr I see:

 if [ ! -d $linkdir ]; then
warn $_me: the directory $linkdir does not exist.
return 1
 fi


   Robert Huff
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the ';' is not required if the 'then' statement is not on the same
line as the 'if' statement.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% sh
$ if echo foo

then
echo bar
fi

foo
bar


sorry for the repeat jerry
(gmail's reply defaults to replying to just the sender and not everyone)


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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Matthew Seaman
Robert Huff wrote:
   This is probably staring me in the face:
 
 if [ ! -d foo] 

Missing space   ^ here.  

ie:

if [ ! -d foo ]
then
mkdir foo
fi

or perhaps more succinctly:

[ -d foo ] || mkdir foo

or best of all, maybe just:

mkdir -p foo

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD Installer vs RedHat Linux Fedora Core Installer?

2007-01-03 Thread Garrett Cooper
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Hash: SHA1

bobmc wrote:
Bill Moran wrote:
 
 In response to Peter aka SweetPete [1][EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 
 
 Hello, I used to be on this mailing list several years ago, and have
 recently rejoined.
 
 [2]http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.h
 tml
 [3]http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png
 
vs.
 
 [4]http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.
 html#sn-booting-from-disc
 [5]http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png
 
 Could I begin a thread (now) about a comparison (and relatively
 inferiorness) of the following two installers please??  I WOULD run
 FreeBSD at home instead of Fedora if the installer were more .erm,
 Microsoftly.
 
 Do you among the developer circle hear this kind of thing from time to time?
 
 
 This seems to come up over and over again.  About every other month.
 
 The developers are aware of it.  The general consensus is that yes, our
 installer could be nicer/prettier/easier/etc
 
 However, until someone either takes the time to write a better one, or
 foots some cash to get a better one written, or blackmails a developer
 in to doing it or something else, we still have what we have.
 
 I think the biggest problem is that the installer is good enough -- so
 nobody is particularly interested in rewriting it until it's not good
 enough any more -- even though it could be better.
 
 
 
Coincidently, issue 68 of linuxuser.co.uk has a positive review of
Fedora 6.
But Cons: Anacoda installer is clumsy and poorly designed, due for a
major overhaul.  (in the reviewer's opinion).  It looks fine to me?
I like Mepis Linux for it's superior usability and attention to
detail. But in
FreeBSD I am looking for a lightweight efficient OS that can run a
media
management system (TBD) on a low-power Mini-ITX computer.
IMO, iterative and incremental developement in the FOSS way is more
effective than paradigm shift.  Therefore, the existing sysinstall
program
can be improved by setting up a mini-project to do just that.
I am sure there are plenty of ideas to improve usability.  How about
replacing most of these sequential dialogues with  tabbed panels where
you
can check settings in any order?  -Bob-
 
 References
 
1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/using-sysinstall.html
3. 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/main1.png
4. 
 http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-beginninginstallation.html#sn-booting-from-disc
5. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/figs/bootprompt.png

Rather than saying Blah installer is better than FreeBSD installer,
could you provide specific examples of where and how it could be better?

My only complaint with the installer deals with the binary repository
when downloading/fetching binaries for the first time from behind a NAT
(Netgear router); many times the installer fails after a period of time
due to a checksum or extraction error. However, my complaints may not
coincide with other's complaints.

Also, an interesting thing is that sysinstall required (at least in my
case) a clean filesystem / partition tables every time I tried to
install. Whenever I installed with a partially or complete filesystem,
sysinstall would die every single time when installing when fetching /
extracting sources.
- -Garrett
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Re: OT: stupid sh scripting question

2007-01-03 Thread Garrett Cooper
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Kevin Downey wrote:
 On 1/3/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:07:43PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote:

 
This is probably staring me in the face:
 
  if [ ! -d foo]
then mkdir foo
  fi
 
gives me:
 
  [: missing ]

 It is probably not telling you ':' missing but ';' missing.
 It goes after the ']', plus I think the space before ']' is required.

 jerry

 
Looking at rc.subr I see:
 
  if [ ! -d $linkdir ]; then
 warn $_me: the directory $linkdir does not exist.
 return 1
  fi
 
 
Robert Huff

 the ';' is not required if the 'then' statement is not on the same
 line as the 'if' statement.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% sh
 $ if echo foo
 then
 echo bar
 fi
 foo
 bar

Right. As many people have said on the list already, the only issue with
the original script is with the lack of a space between the last quote
for foo and ]. test(1) likes having that extra space and will not
work properly without it.

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RSS feed search and notification program

2007-01-03 Thread Noah

Hi there,

I am looking for an program that notifies me when specific text and/or 
search criteria appears in an RSS feed.


is there anything out there that people enjoy using?

It would be even better if the application would send notification 
emails to me.


Cheers,

Noah
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Re: Problem with built-in USB memory card reader

2007-01-03 Thread Alexander Pohoyda
Micah wrote:

 Alexander Pohoyda wrote:
 
  Lowell Gilbert writes:
  
  Alexander Pohoyda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  Everything works perfect if the system is started with a memory card
  inserted into the reader.
  
  The problem arises when the system is started without the memory card
  inserted.  Since the reader is built-in (permanently attached to the
  motherboard), it is detected by the system at startup and no umass
  device is created.  Inserting a memory card at some later time has no
  visible effect whatsoever.
  
  I'm using the 5.4 release.  Is there a solution for this?
  USB handling would be better in a more recent release of FreeBSD, but
  I think you should be getting the basic da(4) device, just not the
  slices (which aren't there yet) if the medium isn't available at
  boot.  Is that the case?  [I haven't done this in a while, and don't
  have access to a card reader at the moment.]
  
  Yes, exactly.  If no memory cards were inserted at the boot, only
  da(4) devices are created and inserting/removing memory cards
  afterwards has no visible effect.  This behavior is well known also
  for external USB card readers, but those are easily
  detached/re-attached which triggers their re-scanning.
  
  I'm asking because Ms Windows somehow gets the insertion event and
  mounts the memory card automatically.  So that is be possible.
  
  Does anybody know how that is done?
  
 
 There is a hack, but I can't quite remember it. I think it was true
  /dev/da0 to get devfs to reread the partitions and create the dev
 entires. I haven't been able to get to a reader to test it
 though. Test on a junk media card just in case I'm totally off base.

After some experiments in FreeBSD 4.9, I found out that just running
the fdisk on da(4) device will enable to mount partitions on it:

$ fdisk /dev/da0
*** Working on device /dev/da0 ***
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=495 heads=2 sectors/track=16 (32 blks/cyl)

parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=495 heads=2 sectors/track=16 (32 blks/cyl)

Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 1,(Primary DOS with 12 bit FAT)
start 25, size 15783 (7 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 10;
end: cyl 493/ head 1/ sector 16
The data for partition 2 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 3 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 4 is:
UNUSED
$ mount /dev/da0s1
Success

This should be automatically done by the system, I suppose.


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Re: Problem with built-in USB memory card reader

2007-01-03 Thread Micah

Alexander Pohoyda wrote:

Lowell Gilbert writes:


Alexander Pohoyda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Everything works perfect if the system is started with a memory card
inserted into the reader.

The problem arises when the system is started without the memory card
inserted.  Since the reader is built-in (permanently attached to the
motherboard), it is detected by the system at startup and no umass
device is created.  Inserting a memory card at some later time has no
visible effect whatsoever.

I'm using the 5.4 release.  Is there a solution for this?

USB handling would be better in a more recent release of FreeBSD, but
I think you should be getting the basic da(4) device, just not the
slices (which aren't there yet) if the medium isn't available at
boot.  Is that the case?  [I haven't done this in a while, and don't
have access to a card reader at the moment.]


Yes, exactly.  If no memory cards were inserted at the boot, only
da(4) devices are created and inserting/removing memory cards
afterwards has no visible effect.  This behavior is well known also
for external USB card readers, but those are easily
detached/re-attached which triggers their re-scanning.

I'm asking because Ms Windows somehow gets the insertion event and
mounts the memory card automatically.  So that is be possible.

Does anybody know how that is done?



There is a hack, but I can't quite remember it. I think it was true  
/dev/da0 to get devfs to reread the partitions and create the dev 
entires. I haven't been able to get to a reader to test it though. Test 
on a junk media card just in case I'm totally off base.


- Micah
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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On Wednesday, January 03, 2007 17:17:17 +0100 dick hoogendijk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
 
 Where does it say that?  According to the online docs
 'For FreeBSD, edit /etc/ttys and find the line like this:
 ttyv8   /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon  xterm   off secure
 and edit it to this:
 ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm  xterm   on secure'
 But that's not the same as saying don't use -nodaemon.

To me at least it sounds like the kde / kdm developers say what I have to
do on a FreeBSD machine, don't you?
I agree the words don't use -nodaemon are not used, but they are not in
their command line.
 
 According to the FreeBSD Handbook 
 'To enable kdm, the ttyv8 entry in /etc/ttys has to be adapted. The line
 should look as follows:
 ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon xterm on secure'
 In any case, I did what the Handbook stated, because I trust that the
 FreeBSD developers know what they're doing, and that's what they told
 the guys that write the docs to use for kdm.  Someone with more
 knowledge than I have would have to explain the technical aspects of
 that choice.

The handbook is kind of a fbsd bible. I must say it's very thorough.
Absolutely _the_ book to read when you run a fbsd flavour. Still I hope
that someone more technical than I am will explain some more on this
topic.

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Re: DB43 sysmlink problem

2007-01-03 Thread doug
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Dan Nelson wrote:

 In the last episode (Jan 03), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  I have installed db43-4.3.29. The install sets up symlinks to the db
  commands as:
 
 /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3@ - db43/db_dump
 
  As non of the symlinks work, it appears to me they should be set up as:
 
 /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3@ - /usr/local/bin/db43/db_dump
 
  Is this correct, or am I missing something?

 The command works for me.  What error are you getting?

 $ db_dump-4.3 -V
 Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.3.29: (September  6, 2005)
 $ which db_dump-4.3
 /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3
 $ ls -l /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3
 lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  12 Nov  8 10:55 /usr/local/bin/db_dump-4.3 - 
 db43/db_dump
 $

Dan, thanks for responding. I occasionally feel the need to embarrass myself.
Reading carefully/learning to type might also help. I guess I had to cut and
paste you command to see my error.

_
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Re: Which version of BIND to use on FreeBSD 6.1?

2007-01-03 Thread Derek Ragona
I am using the default 9.X that is installed with 6.1.  The only problems I 
have had is that startup options changed and required another define in 
rc.conf.


-Derek


At 02:41 PM 1/3/2007, patrick wrote:

I'm trying to figure out which is the best version of BIND to use on
FreeBSD 6.1? I've always stuck with FreeBSD's base version, and since
upgrading from FreeBSD 4.x to 6.1, that meant moving from BIND 8.3.x
to 9.3.2. I've encountered numerous problems since moving to 9.3.2
which primarily revolve around exponential increases in memory and CPU
usage.

On our BIND 8.3.x setup, we have 750 master domains. Memory usage is
just shy of 70MBs. On our new server with BIND 9.3.2, we have
currently 140 master domains, and memory usage continually grows until
FreeBSD cuts it off. I have discovered the max-cache-size option
which allows me set an upper limit, but when the named process hits
that limit, it starts eating up all available CPU cycles. I've seen
some similar reports from other users, but haven't found any real
solutions.

While browsing the ports tree, I found I have my pick of BIND 8.3.x,
8.4.x, and a ports version of 9.3.x (not sure exactly how this differs
from base -- more current?). Our needs are fairly basic -- we have a
few DNS servers, and each are masters and slaves, helping one another
out. We're not using DNSSEC or anything. I'm wondering what other
people are generally using, and which version works best for them?

Thanks,

Patrick
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Re: DNS propagation problems - changed ip

2007-01-03 Thread Derek Ragona
Your registrar for the domain maintains actual IP's for your authoritative 
DNS servers.  If you moved those from one IP to another, update the 
registrars record to reflect the new addresses.


-Derek


At 10:30 AM 1/3/2007, Alex Teslik wrote:

Hello,

   I changed the ip address of my server (physical move to a new location)
and updated my dns. Logs show that everything is fine. I can get out to
other sites just fine, send email, and internally everything is working
fine. However, I updated on Jan 1st and the changes for the nameservers have
still not propagated out anywhere. Logs show no one hitting the server. I'm
starting to get worried.
   The db file has this data:

   2007010101  ; Serial (year,month,day,version_that_day)
   86400   ; refresh (1 day)
   7200; retry (2 hours)
   864 ; expire (100 days)
   86400 ) ; minimum (1 day)

So after 1 day external DNS's should update to the new info.
   The only other bit of info that I can't figure out is that in the logs
I'm getting this message:

Jan  2 02:44:16 gouda /kernel: arplookup 10.1.10.1 failed: host is not on
local network

but 10.1.10.1 has nothing to do with my network, so I have no idea which
service is trying to get to this. I grepped all etc and usr/local/etc bu
nothing have that ip.

Finally, nslookup is working on any address including my own. Thats makes me
think DNS is working properly... Any ideas on what else I can check that
might not be right?

Thanks
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Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory

2007-01-03 Thread James Long
 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 04:46:43 +1100 (EST)
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 Subject: Re: Batch file question - average size of file in directory
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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 ... you REALLY don't want to zcat 110 thousand files just to wc 'em,
 unless it's a benchmark :)

Quite right!  Well played.

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