Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: * Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand them a web interface to freely post short, often unintelligible snippets that are more suitable for Twitter than a FAQ page. There's a Thanks button feature in vBulletin that can be enabled to help catch the 'me too' type postings. Heh, yes. It may take a while to catch on, but it's nice to have it :D I've been posting to forums with the mozex Firefox extension and GNU Emacs for more than a couple of years now. Here's how a typical ``post to a forum'' session looks like for me now: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2961070181/ Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with firefox-3.0.4 ... It is. I'm using it with Firefox 3.0.4, after installing the plugin from this page: http://mozex.mozdev.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: * Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand them a web interface to freely post short, often unintelligible snippets that are more suitable for Twitter than a FAQ page. There's a Thanks button feature in vBulletin that can be enabled to help catch the 'me too' type postings. I've been posting to forums with the mozex Firefox extension and GNU Emacs for more than a couple of years now. Here's how a typical ``post to a forum'' session looks like for me now: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2961070181/ Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with firefox-3.0.4 ... Well, yes, but Its All Text does the same trick for text boxes and it is compatible. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 Wouldn't be without it! atb Glyn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 11:38 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: * Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-14 14:56:26 -0800]: opinion But why are we interested in converting people? That borders on religious, which an operating system should not be. I'm not saying we don't need new users -- I'm saying: if we took half the energy used converting people and applied it to fixing bugs and improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to convert. Build it (and secure/stabilise it) and they will come. Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like FreeBSD? Microsoft, Apple, etc. want more users on their OS because it increases their profits. But who gets more money if ten thousand users switch to FreeBSD? FreeBSD already has a large enough user base to attract the attention of developers deciding which platforms to target with their apps. But even if it didn't, it has a large developer community of its own, and they've done a great job porting apps, as well as creating new apps themselves. New users who are also developers can contribute to this effort, so it makes sense to actively recruit them. But why should we want to increase the number of ordinary, non-developer users? If these new users also contribute to the project, by working on documentation or other non-programming tasks, then it makes sense to actively recruit them too. Perhaps there's an implicit calculation that only x percent of new users will actually contribute to the project, so if you want/need C new contributors, you should aim to recruit N = C / x new users. Some of the comments in this thread have expressed one of the problems new users can bring: an expectation and demand that things work the way they used to on their old OS. People who voice these concerns want to preserve the Unix philosophy and culture, so they don't welcome immigrants who refuse to assimilate. They don't see those immigrants as potential contributors to the project; they see them as people who want to replace it with a different project altogether. ...which perhaps explains why some people want to impose something like a Unix citizenship test. Users can also contribute by helping to refine the requirements for software. For example, my son is an animator and he and I have often discussed various graphics tools. In his opinion, the Gimp is a powerful tool which provides almost every tool or technique an artist might want, but it's unusable because its user interface doesn't reflect the way artists actually do their work. He says this isn't just that they're used to Photoshop or whatever; there's something about the nature of the task that the Gimp fails to accommodate in a natural, effortless way. He says the Gimp feels like a tool designed by software engineers rather than artists. We need users like that, who aren't developers but who are experts in their own domain. How much of FreeBSD's strength as a server derives from the fact that so many of its users have been sysadmins with a keen awareness of the day-to-day problems in that domain? (It's also been an important fact that many of them are developers too.) So when new users appear and start requesting changes to make things more like the system they came from, we shouldn't automatically classify them as unassimilable immigrants. We should try to understand what they're really looking for, and whether or how our current software supports it. It's especially important to understand why they left their old home. What was the need that inspired them to consider a change? How did their old OS fail to meet that need? Sometimes our answer to them is going to be, No, sorry, our project isn't designed to do that or That isn't one of our project's goals. Maybe you should consider Project Y instead. There's nothing wrong with that kind of answer. It's coheres with the Unix philosophy of clarity of purpose (e.g., tools that do one thing and do it well.) So, in conclusion, we DON'T need new users because growing the userbase is good in itself. Sometimes growth is cancerous, and kills the body. We DO need new users insofar as they help us meet the goals of our project. (And sometimes new users suggest new goals for us to pursue.) -- Charlie Thats a very good point, and in my own case I'm not here to leach off the systems here. I make points of driver issues, but I so far have lacked the abilities to change this; ergo I turn to the lists... That won't be forever, my skills as a developer have grown and now its simply a matter of time to work on these projects. I have a skill such as mentioned here, in the manner of my users have a great deal of experience in their fields (including myself) and can make valid suggestions as to how to make things better. Better yet I'm trying enact some of those suggestions and test them locally with the users. I'm also trying to train my users to use
Re: re changing from vista
On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 11:54 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: * Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-16 15:21:27 +1000]: The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way, and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server environment. It also allows them to learn the *nix methodology and software. To the extent that Linux succeeds in making things just work, it will prevent or at least delay the user's learning the Unix way. Most of us got our Unix knowledge the old-fashioned way: we earned it. We stumbled over one problem or another and fought our way through to a solution. When things just work, only the technically curious will explore beneath the hood to see exactly how they work. Maybe we shouldn't make it a goal that every user should have that kind of deep-water knowledge? Should it really be a goal that every user become familiar with the shell and commandline tools? Why not let them live happily ever after in a point-and-click world? Maybe, but they will still hit some issues, and they will still find things very different than what they're used to in windows- this in itself is deep enough water for most that are very M$-centric. Why make it harder? Let them get used to the environment, see what actually happens when things are plugged in and what not, then eventually they will be forced to go to the cli to do exactly what they want. Once they get passed the initial chill of the water then they can ease into the *nix methods on the cli, and then they will be more comfortable to use Unix outright, solve the issues with the hardware/software/uses they wish to put it to. Maybe we differ in opinion just a little this way... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 22:53 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Still it goes, the OP is trying to get away from MS-Win, not find some non-MS clone in EVERY such post i see exactly opposite. they want windoze clones! they don't ask about how to learn unix, what to read, they didn't read even basic manuals, or if so - just glanced. actually - there is a market niche for true non-microsoft windoze clone! it's strange noone try to fill it. it's millions of $ to earn! Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. I think its a version of Wine on steroids... Also I think thats what Xandros and some of it's partners are doing. something working like windoze, running windoze .exe/.dll binaries and windows compatible installer but for example not requiring gig of RAM, powerful CPU running 10 times faster (not difficult to achieve) etc... i remember many years ago installing linux first time (linux was quite good that time). i spent 2 months on it reading everything needed and learning BEFORE asking questions on mailing lists! because i knew nothing about unix at first. I knew only DOS and windoze 95 before, DOS isn't an OS at all, but that is adventage too. but i needed something that made full use of my 25Mhz 486. Windoze definitely wasn't good in it. it just wasted hardware resources giving nothing. that's why i tried to seek something different. and found linux.. after some time NetBSD, then FreeBSD. today - most of these wannabe-FreeBSD-users just don't want to pay for windoze. nothing else! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. I think its a version of Wine on steroids... does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work. can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup? if yes - they NEED MORE ADVERTISEMENT. i will check it today on second disk. if it's OK i will start recommending it all people i know that use windoze. thanks for info. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
FreeBSD? i don't think so. While I can see the point you are trying to make, and it's a valid concern, I don't fully agree. What you are essentially hinting at is that having a forum will attract less experienced users. I don't think less experienced people are, for some reason, 'idiots', but it seems plausible enough that having a there are difference between less experienced and idiots. the latter are less experienced and WANT TO keep it that way. that's the difference. _large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that. with 100:1 signal/noise ratio experienced people will start to leave the community. or sooner. today we have at least 10:1 The web interface and ``editing in tiny boxes'' problem may be slightly please note that webforums will attract only one kind of people. those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list they will not become experienced unix users ever. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
I have the perfect solution for you since you know more than 80 - 90 percent of the subscribers to this list. Why not create you own operating system and then pick and choose who could use it. All of the source you need is freely available. because it will take too much time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't be Rolls-Royce anymore. This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then. FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever more users are using it. if it would be kept high quality i would be able to pay for it, unless the price will be horrendous. but it would not keep high quality - developers will start to get as much users and implement strange but trendy features just to increase income. This thought is totally against the Open Source vision: software for anyone. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to the perceived need to give former Windows users a user-friendly system? exactly. Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the advocacy mailing list. The OP's question probably should have been is it? it's not advocacy. it's a warning. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
have). while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would it is already popular within experienced users. number one or two. it's just enough. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
Hi, there are difference between less experienced and idiots. the latter are less experienced and WANT TO keep it that way. Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points are exagerrated to say the least. I am very happy that FBSD now has forums for users. No matter what you say not only less experience people use them. Not everyone loves email. Period. And this condesceding way of talking about possible FBSD users is what I am becoming sick of. I had the luck to be introduced to FBSD by a member of this list. He did so much to help me learn that I am now a happy user. You don't have to help people but appreciate that there are now more channels of communications than mailing lists. Online forums is just one example. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:23:07AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. I think its a version of Wine on steroids... does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work. can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup? if yes - they NEED MORE ADVERTISEMENT. i will check it today on second disk. if it's OK i will start recommending it all people i know that use windoze. ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it, and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer drama in recent days, which literally halted the project for months on end, and I don't know what became of that. But does it work (e.x. does it function)? Yes, it does. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. well it's an alpha state now as stated on their webpage. i wish they will finalize it withing reasonable time. it would be great. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points are exagerrated to say the least. exactly the same i heard years ago on NetBSD list, and more years ago on linux list. time showed that i was right. I am very happy that FBSD now has forums for users. it already had for years. just required to turn on brain for a minute or less to send subscription mail ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it, and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer drama in recent days, which literally halted the project for months on end, and I don't know what became of that. quite bad, as their donation page. if they want to do something real then more people (but less than 10) are needed and finally implement all functionality. they could sell it, instead of begging for donations But does it work (e.x. does it function)? Yes, it does. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:08 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that. with 100:1 signal/noise ratio experienced people will start to leave the community. or sooner. today we have at least 10:1 Let's not be too pessimistic, shall we? :D The web interface and ``editing in tiny boxes'' problem may be slightly please note that webforums will attract only one kind of people. those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list they will not become experienced unix users ever. We can help as much as we can, by subscribing and trying to keep the S:N ratio high, or we can start whining forever about how everyone _else_ should spend their own time. I think the later is not a good idea. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
Hi, it already had for years. just required to turn on brain for a minute or less to send subscription mail The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only because they have different preference than you. Regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www/xpi-mozex (was Re: Official FreeBSD Forums)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: | On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with | firefox-3.0.4 ... | | It is. I'm using it with Firefox 3.0.4, after installing the plugin | from this page: | | http://mozex.mozdev.org/ | Looks like the www/xpi-mozex port is a bit out of date. 1.9.5 in ports versus 1.9.9 available on-line. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll submit an update to the maintainer this evening. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 ~ 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate ~ Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREDAAYFAkkhPiIACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+Va98wCgik+ojzwwv6JqYh8ysyssL9Q9 SsYAn0y4FcChybrhBJprLrDTOP/zhIcC =36mo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only because they have different preference than you. it's not preference. it's self-limiting to just single interface for everything - WWW. today common trend. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
today we have at least 10:1 Let's not be too pessimistic, shall we? :D i'm realistic. those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list they will not become experienced unix users ever. We can help as much as we can, by subscribing and trying to keep the S:N ratio high, or we can start whining forever about how everyone _else_ should spend their own time. I think the later is not a good idea. there is not much place to help ALREADY, as there are maybe 2-3 on-topic questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can. but soon it will be much worse. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list they will not become experienced unix users ever. We can help as much as we can, by subscribing and trying to keep the S:N ratio high, or we can start whining forever about how everyone _else_ should spend their own time. I think the later is not a good idea. there is not much place to help ALREADY, as there are maybe 2-3 on-topic questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can. but soon it will be much worse. I beg to differ. I don't like playing the `old fart' card, but I've been a subscriber to questions for a decade or so. I haven't noticed any significant reduction in the quality of traffic. It still rocks as much as it did back in 1998 when I started lurking around here :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can. but soon it will be much worse. I beg to differ. I don't like playing the `old fart' card, but I've been a subscriber to questions for a decade or so. I haven't noticed any significant reduction in the quality of traffic. It still rocks as much as it did back in 1998 when I started lurking around here :) well there is a difference maybe this webforum could help by redirecting some kind of folks to it, making mailing list less noisy. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
maybe this webforum could help by redirecting some kind of folks to it, making mailing list less noisy. If we're talking about signal to noise ratio, this thread is getting pretty high on the noise end of the spectrum... -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I don't want appears as an impatient and I KNOW people that support FreeBSD are volunteers, I am a long time user of our prefered OS I just would like to have an estimation for the release of 7.1. I have two new production servers that will come tomorrow - If the release is a matter of days I'll wait a bit before installing them, - If it is a matter of monthes I'll install them with another release. Thanks a lot I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7.1
Hello I don't want appears as an impatient and I KNOW people that support FreeBSD are volunteers, I am a long time user of our prefered OS I just would like to have an estimation for the release of 7.1. I have two new production servers that will come tomorrow - If the release is a matter of days I'll wait a bit before installing them, - If it is a matter of monthes I'll install them with another release. Thanks a lot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
Ott Köstner wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What are the most serious bugs to expect? Greetings, O.K. It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step in and share their experiences. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) -- minix doesn't work well under high load. it's not even designed to do this. maybe it will change, and full DMA ide drivers. will be interesting. it's really well coded. I have the perfect solution for you since you know more than 80 - 90 percent of the subscribers to this list. Why not create you own operating system and then pick and choose who could use it. All of the source you need is freely available. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
On Monday 17 November 2008 13:01:53 Ott Köstner wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Not very. The -stable branches really are stable, 99% of the time. Just glance through /usr/src/UPDATING. The difference between RELENG_7 now and 7.1 when it comes out, is: - fixing of bugs that you would've noticed already (hardware issues, installer / boot code) - polishing (dotting i's and crossing t's) - even more testing then has been done already - 2 week long security review by the security team - the packages on the cdroms - output of uname -r The release is merely a snapshot of the source tree, that has had more eyes looking at it then normal. There are no guarantees. If your company policy requires you to run releases (+ their updates) on production servers, that would be the only good reason to install 7.0-p5. Otherwise, keep RELENG_7 and once 7.1 comes out, change csup tag to RELENG_7_1, recompile and you're done. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port
Vincent Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard port for ssh. 722. snip I've tried many variants but none have worked. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Hi, -e 'ssh -p722' should do it in theory I'm not certain if rsync over ssh honours the SSH_CONFIG(5) file(s) it should do though. If so it could also be added on a per host basis there. something like Host foo.example.com Port 722 User myuser IdentityFile /path/to/custom/key Hi Vince, I tested the ssh_config changes and indeed they work beautifully and give me an added layer of flexibility. This certainly seems to be the optimal solution for for different host configurations without having to change remote scripts. I hadn't even considered it. Again DUH! Hello! I can't thank you enough. ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
Manolis Kiagias wrote: I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What are the most serious bugs to expect? Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
Manolis Kiagias wrote: Ott Köstner wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What are the most serious bugs to expect? Greetings, O.K. It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step in and share their experiences. I have just regular internet things running: apache22, mysql5, bind94, php5, postfix, dovecot, proftpd, clamav, spamassasin, snmpd... ...plus ipfw and pf Actually there is one strange thing what I described here before -- 'top' reporting incorrect process times. But this appeared already when I upgraded from FreBSD 6.3 to 7.0. The bug appears on all 7.++ machines, i386 and amd64. Everything is OK with single-threaded processes, but processes with multiple threades are reported incorrectly by top. Anybody else has experienced this? Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. the rule in question is: 'scrub in all' I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is not just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: Ott Köstner wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What are the most serious bugs to expect? Greetings, O.K. It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step in and share their experiences. I have just regular internet things running: apache22, mysql5, bind94, php5, postfix, dovecot, proftpd, clamav, spamassasin, snmpd... ...plus ipfw and pf I'm not sure why you're paranoid of 7.1-PRERELEASE (RELENG_7 at the present time). It seems like you installed it or upgraded to it, then became greatly concerned for strange reasons. I really don't think you have anything to worry about. The only gigantic difference, as I see it, is that the ULE scheduler is now the default (while in 7.0, 4BSD was default). I personally run all of the above services (minus bind94, clamav, and snmpd; I use the base system bind, do not care for AV software, and use bsnmpd where applicable), and I also run all of those services on servers in my co-location. We have a RELENG_7 box which is working fine doing all of the above, on a dual-core processor to boot. Actually there is one strange thing what I described here before -- 'top' reporting incorrect process times. But this appeared already when I upgraded from FreBSD 6.3 to 7.0. The bug appears on all 7.++ machines, i386 and amd64. Everything is OK with single-threaded processes, but processes with multiple threades are reported incorrectly by top. Anybody else has experienced this? Sounds familiar (not personally). There are efforts underway in CURRENT to improve top. I would recommend posting your top problem to -stable or -hackers. Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. the rule in question is: 'scrub in all' I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is not just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... No, it's perfectly fine. But your description of the problem is too terse, and the issue should be discussed on freebsd-pf not here. There *are* other problems with pf which have been fixed in RELENG_7 (7.1), and you can review my Wiki to see what those are. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HAL in GNOME
Hiya all, Can someone point me to URLs that explain how to set up HAL to work in GNOME? I'm using FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE. Somehow I can't find it with Google. -- Regards, Anthony M. Rasat Manager - Technical, Network and Support Division PT. Jawa Pos National Network Graha Pena Jawa Pos Group Building, 5th floor Jln. Raya Kebayoran Lama 12, Jakarta Barat 12210 Indonesia.- Phone 02132185562 Phone 081574217035 Fax 02153651465 Web http://www.jpnn.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:41:27 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to convert. Build it (and secure/stabilise it) and they will come. Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like FreeBSD? to some level - better driver support. but windows-converters-seeking-for-nicer-windows don't write drivers. this level is OK, more users can make only harm. exactly what happened with linux. as heavyweight sponsors did. they pay but request not just adding drivers but to add strange-but-trendy features and solutions that take system's quality down quickly. exactly that happened to NetBSD. i recently installed newest NetBSD version just to look at it. it was damn slow and even slower under high load!! not mentioning linux that got just billion$ total sposoring from IBM. Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It boots up quickly, detects all my devices, has accelerated 3D etc. Now I did move back to FreeBSD because I had problems with its autodetection system - in particular the graphics card wasn't configured properly. But that's a problem with Ubuntu specifically, and I could just as easily have switched to Debian or Gentoo where more manual configuration is required - just like in FreeBSD. One of the strengths of Linux is that if you find one of the new trendy features doesn't work, you can generally just build a new kernel - without including it. If it's user-space you don't like - well, that's a problem with the distribution, not linux itself. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HAL in GNOME
On Monday 17 November 2008 13:48:46 Anthony M. Rasat wrote: Can someone point me to URLs that explain how to set up HAL to work in GNOME? I'm using FreeBSD 7.0 RELEASE. Somehow I can't find it with Google. Top result: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=hal+gnome+freebsd -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. the rule in question is: 'scrub in all' I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is not just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... No, it's perfectly fine. But your description of the problem is too terse, and the issue should be discussed on freebsd-pf not here. OK. Thank you! Will subscribe to pf list. Just to finish this talk, the problem was with 'pop3s' protocol. Removing 'scrub' rule from firewall made it work perfectly well... There *are* other problems with pf which have been fixed in RELENG_7 (7.1), and you can review my Wiki to see what those are. ...and what is the address of this Wiki? Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:09:15PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: Also, there was a strange phenomenon with FreeBSD router with pf. the rule in question is: 'scrub in all' I do not knw, if this has anything to do with 7.1 issue. Maybe it is not just a good idea to have a 'scrub' rule on router... No, it's perfectly fine. But your description of the problem is too terse, and the issue should be discussed on freebsd-pf not here. OK. Thank you! Will subscribe to pf list. Just to finish this talk, the problem was with 'pop3s' protocol. Removing 'scrub' rule from firewall made it work perfectly well... There *are* other problems with pf which have been fixed in RELENG_7 (7.1), and you can review my Wiki to see what those are. ...and what is the address of this Wiki? Wow, I figured by now everyone had it. That's what I get for assuming. http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/Commonly_reported_issues -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing from vista
From: Bruce Cran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:35:02 AM Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It boots up quickly, detects all my devices, has accelerated 3D etc. Now I did move back to FreeBSD because I had problems with its autodetection system - in particular the graphics card wasn't configured properly. But that's a problem with Ubuntu specifically, and I could just as easily have switched to Debian or Gentoo where more manual configuration is required - just like in FreeBSD. One of the strengths of Linux is that if you find one of the new trendy features doesn't work, you can generally just build a new kernel - without including it. Unfortunately, the inability to be able to include the feature / improvement is also a negative factor. If it's user-space you don't like - well, that's a problem with the distribution, not linux itself. -- Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ZFS over iSCSI anyone ?
Hello Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. Issue: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html Patch: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ?
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. Issue: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html Patch: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html Thanks a lot for you quick answer ! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: host based authetication with OpenLDAP and FreeBSD
On Friday 14 November 2008 14:32, O. Hartmann wrote: Hello, I have a OT question and maybe some of the FreeBSD server admins here can help me out. [snip] Having nss_ldap and pam_ldap installed on every single FreeBSD server/box which is capable of being accessed I found in etc/ldap.conf the tags 'pam_filter' and 'pam_check_host_attr'. Setting latter to 'yes' implies having the 'host' attribute in each user's object located in OpenLDAP's DIT for the specific domain. But objectClass=account seems to conflict with objectClass=organizationalPeople which is a must in our configuration, so the host attribute is not of any further investigation. Did you not like the answer I gave you in April when you asked essentially the same question? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-April/174152.html For posterity (again) the extensibleObject auxiliary objectClass was introduced for precisely this reason - so that you could add any attribute the server knows about to an existing object which otherwise couldn't hold it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ?
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. Issue: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html Patch: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html Isn't this committed already? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: php5 Only IE Users can View Pages.
On Friday 14 November 2008 19:36, Martin McCormick wrote: I inherited a mrtg application thatnow is running on a FreeBSD6.3 system. Clients report that one can see the php pages when using Internet Explorer but not other browsers that should display the pages. Those customers see raw code. Any suggestion as to what I should be looking for? Hi Martin Bear in mind I'm answering off the top of my head, so you may need to do some digging. I have a feeling that Internet Explorer ignores the Content-Type header from the server and displays what it thinks you should see. If the server is not configured with a MIME type for .php, the default with Apache is to send the pages with a MIME type of text/plain. Internet Explorer will ignore this, interpret the page as HTML and display it, whereas almost every other browser will obey the server's instruction and therefore display the raw HTML as plain text without any interpretation. Check whether Apache has an AddType application/x-httpd-php .php line or similar in the config file. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help! (Re: 7.1)
Manolis Kiagias wrote: You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. Hi! I had my workstation running 7.0-STABLE. Perfectly well till today. Now I compiled and installed the latest 7.1-PRERELEASE and now Thunderbird and Firefox got really SLOW. Everything works, but Xorg is consuming time constatnly. Scrolling inbox is especially slow. Recompile Xorg, Thunderbird??? Any help available? CPU: 6.8% user, 0.0% nice, 10.9% system, 0.4% interrupt, 82.0% idle Mem: 329M Active, 310M Inact, 139M Wired, 2696K Cache, 112M Buf, 1214M Free Swap: 2000M Total, 2000M Free PID USERNAMETHR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 998 root 1 610 239M 160M select 0 5:42 16.36% Xorg 11866 ott 3 960 75596K 66008K ucond 0 0:00 8.40% opera 9280 ott 7 440 76156K 62604K ucond 0 0:00 0.98% thunderbird-bin Greetings, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvsup first time - connection refused
Hi, I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names from this list: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP I get a Connection refused error. Help.. Yony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
seg fault when pkg_delete
Hi, I have some trouble when make deinstall/pkg_delete some ports. I try to backtrace with gdb, and here is what I found when exec pkg_delete under gdb to remove p5-Module-Build-0.30: 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 any idea?? thanks!! TFC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CARP-Like Solution With Machines On Different Networks?
Hello All, I'm attempting to put a redundant fail-over system in place for a machine that I manage for a non-profit organization of modest budget. For the time being, I'm most interested in having MySQL and HTTP connections roll over to a backup system in the event that the primary machine goes down for some reason, and then return control to the primary box once it returns - nothing particularly fancy. After doing some research on the matter, it looks like CARP would be a winning solution - but only if the backup system was on the same network segment as the primary box. Given that there's no money to colocate a second backup system at the same facility as the main machine (and protection against failure at the colo facility is one of the primary drivers for the failover setup), however, it looks like CARP wouldn't be useful. That said, are there any solutions which behave similarly to CARP that I could use for a pair of machines connected solely via the Internet? For now, I'd even be happy if there was some way to simply do TCP port-level proxying, so to speak (i.e. connections come in to a given machine, and are proxied to the main system if it's up, but go to the backup box if not)? Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide. Alex Kirk This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
Ott Köstner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What are the most serious bugs to expect? In addition to what others have said, note that there are numerous issues that have been fixed since 7.0. The most serious issues have been fixed for 7.0 (in the security branch), but there is still a good chance that you will have *fewer* problems with what you installed. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:06:34AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand what i write Unfortunately, the only one who doesn't understand would not be any of the other posters. The community is much more trustworthy than you give it credit. The community got us a valuable resource and will continue to do so if people who might take an interest aren't too put off by perpetual negative spinners. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: net-snmp port upgrade build error
R Dicaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi folks, After updating ports tree with portsnap fetch update, then running pkg_version -l '', pkg_version shows net-snmp is upgradable: pkg_version -l '' net-snmp pkg_replace net-snmp --- Replacing 'net-snmp-5.3.2_3' with 'net-snmp-5.3.2.3' --- Building '/usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp53' You may use the following build options: WITH_INETADDRESS_HACK=yes builds with the inetaddress hack WITH_TKMIB=yes Install a graphical Perl/Tk/SNMP based mib browser WITHOUT_DUMMY_VALUES=yesProvide 'placeholder' dummy values where the necessary information is not available. WITHOUT_PERL=yesDo not install the perl modules along with the rest of the net-snmp toolkit. WITHOUT_IPV6=yesDisable IPv6. DEFAULT_SNMP_VERSION=3Default version of SNMP to use. NET_SNMP_SYS_CONTACT=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Default system contact. NET_SNMP_SYS_LOCATION=somewhere Default system location. NET_SNMP_LOGFILE=/var/log/snmpd.log Default log file location for snmpd. NET_SNMP_PERSISTENTDIR=/var/net-snmp Default directory for persistent data storage. NET_SNMP_MIB_MODULES=host disman/event-mib smux mibII/mta_sendmail mibII/tcpTable ucd-snmp/diskio Optional mib modules that can be built into the agent === net-snmp-5.3.2.3 has known vulnerabilities: = net-snmp -- DoS for SNMP agent via crafted GETBULK request. Reference: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/daf045d7-b211-11dd-a987-000c29ca8953.html = Please update your ports tree and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net-mgmt/net-snmp53. ** Command failed (exit code 1): make UPGRADE_PKG=net-snmp-5.3.2_3 UPGRADE_PKG_VER=5.3.2_3 ** Fix the problem and try again. --- Processed 1: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped, 1 failed The port is trying to be upgraded with the same version as installed or? The version in ports is 5.4.2.1, and that's the one you want to have. I'm not sure why you didn't get it by using portsnap, but it's been in the tree for a couple of days already. Have you tried again? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:29:06PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. Issue: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html Patch: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html Isn't this committed already? The user tells me it is not, and that his replies to the patch author have gone ignored. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large binary, why not strip ?
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk stripping em all reduces their size dramatically I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? me too do I miss anything ? no. I am confused why both of you are seeing most of the programs installed this way. Can you confirm that this is true and not just an exaggeration? As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc). These are bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case basis. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 7.1
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:01:53PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: I don't think it is a matter of days, we have not even reached RC status yet on 7.1 On a production server you will probably wish to go with 7.0-RELEASE-p5. It would be trivial to upgrade to 7.1 by means of freebsd-update(8) when it is released. You probably don't want to risk 7.1-PRERELEASE on a server, but for anyone running workstations, desktops, laptops I think it is worth trying at this moment. I am a person, who made a mistake, installing 7.1 on my production server (actually RELENG_7 stable, which shows up as 7.1). My question is, how stupid is that mistake? Is it better to reinstall 7.0 before something really bad happens, or can I just let it run? What are the most serious bugs to expect? It is not that big of a problem. I've been tracking -STABLE on my destkop since 5.4 without major problems. Every once in a while you see a failure report for RELENG_7 from the tinderbox build cluster, which can mean that you shouldn't csup at that moment. And rarely there is a report on the stable mailing list that something's broken and you need to wait with updating until it's fixed. The most effort IMHO is switching between major versions because you then need to delete and rebuild all your installed ports. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp6XHpPKYunw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 7.1
Manolis Kiagias wrote: It all depends on the programs you run, your configuration, system load and so on. Bugs that may be present in the system, may simply not be applicable to you, if you are not using the specific part or feature that has the problem. While it is difficult to assess without knowing specific details, I think 7.1 is generally stable at the moment. Maybe people using it in production servers (if any) can step in and share their experiences. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm running a 7.1 prerelease from 10-31 on a dual core amd AM2 for mail with spamassassin, postfix, and procmail with a few virtual domains. So far, the only issue I've had is that some new device support was added causing the drive number to change, that was an easy fix once I saw what the issue was. Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvsup first time - connection refused
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: Hi, I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names from this list: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP I get a Connection refused error. Help.. First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) instead of the cvsup port. Then try one of the mirrors in say Greece or Italy or France. If that doesn't work, check that your firewall or router aren't blocking things. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpFGovK5yez3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: cvsup first time - connection refused
Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: Hi, I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names from this list: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP I get a Connection refused error. Help.. First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) instead of the cvsup port. That won't work at all with the standard cvs-supfile, which uses CVS mode. Then try one of the mirrors in say Greece or Italy or France. If that doesn't work, check that your firewall or router aren't blocking things. That's almost certainly the problem. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments?
* Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-14 17:32:34+]: depends on how they do their installs, i know of a couple hosting companies doing it already Hey! Which ones? Chiming in another rec for RootBSD as well. I've been a customer of theirs for a few months now and very pleased with their service. (Apart from being a customer, I have no other affiliation with them.) To respond to what another poster said on this thread about their clock, I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. I do run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only about 15ms away from true UTC. Thomas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: High Noonn DVD??
Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:27 +0100 Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100 Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able to play region 1 disks with mplayer? That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and libdvdcss is not sufficient as such. Which programs did you try? Do you get an error message? I tried mplayer, vlc and ogle and experienced the same symptoms like when this DVD drive was in virgin state (with no region-code set) and when I tried to play normal region 2 DVD, which means: * vlc - no output at all * mplayer - sound ok, video scrambled in colourful squares, producing a lot of errors like this: a52: CRC check failed! 0.046 ct: -0.029 21/ 18 11% 1% 23.4% 0 0 a52: error at resampling A: 1.5 V: 1.7 A-V: -0.197 ct: -0.036 23/ 20 11% 0% 22.8% 0 0 demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching framerate. a52: CRC check failed! 0.045 ct: 0.100 34/30 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 a52: error at resampling If this was a classical wrong region code problem, the disc shouldn't play at all. I just had a quick look at: /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer/work/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libdvdcss/libdvdcss.c An excerpt from the comment on top: * \li \b DVDCSS_METHOD: sets the authentication and decryption method * that \e libdvdcss will use to read scrambled discs. Can be one * of \c title, \c key or \c disc. * - \c key is the default method. \e libdvdcss will use a set of * calculated player keys to try and get the disc key. This can fail * if the drive does not recognize any of the player keys. * - \c disc is a fallback method when \c key has failed. Instead of * using player keys, \e libdvdcss will crack the disc key using * a brute force algorithm. This process is CPU intensive and requires * 64 MB of memory to store temporary data. * - \c title is the fallback when all other methods have failed. It does * not rely on a key exchange with the DVD drive, but rather uses a * crypto attack to guess the title key. On rare cases this may fail * because there is not enough encrypted data on the disc to perform * a statistical attack, but in the other hand it is the only way to * decrypt a DVD stored on a hard disc, or a DVD with the wrong region * on an RPC2 drive. Maybe there's a communication problem that prevents libdvdcss from detecting that the first two methods aren't working properly and that the last one has to be used. You could try patching mplayer to only use the last one. * ogle - the flood of these kernel messages with syslogd eating a lot of CPU: Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: acd0: setting up DMA failed Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: ata2: FAILURE - non aligned DMA transfer attempted After setting the region of my DVD drive to 2, I never experienced such errors (after uncountable number of local DVDs) until I got there region 1 ones. That's why I was so confident that libdvdcss is a problem. I think it's only part of the problem. Did you try playing or ripping the discs on a GNU/Linux system? Hmm, my home is currently FreeBSD-only. :-) But I managed to try it and - -- yes, it works. Strange. In the light of your post about LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S 9L08, is it possible that DVD drive causes all these problems? I assume this could be a controller problem as well. Trying another drive is probably the easiest way to find out. Fabian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: large binary, why not strip ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk stripping em all reduces their size dramatically I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? me too do I miss anything ? no. I am confused why both of you are seeing most of the programs installed this way. Can you confirm that this is true and not just an exaggeration? As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc). These are bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case basis. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before sending mail I manually stripped * in /usr/local/bin else I cud send u the o/p of `ls -lhS` yes, most is bit exaggerated...I perhaps was talking about first five binaries listed in increasing order of size... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pkg_delete core dump
hi, during recompiling some ports, I found my pkg_delete core dump on some ports (not all of them), when it dumped, it has something like this (print/acroread8): # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as i386-marcel-freebsd...(no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 (gdb) bt full #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. #1 0x0804b50c in ?? () No symbol table info available. #2 0x0810b1a0 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #3 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #4 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #5 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #6 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #7 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #8 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #9 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #10 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #11 0x0810b180 in ?? () ---Type return to continue, or q return to quit--- No symbol table info available. #12 0xbfbfd968 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #13 0x0804adc5 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #14 0x in ?? () No symbol table info available. #15 0x000c in ?? () No symbol table info available. #16 0x03e1 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #17 0x28174af5 in fwrite () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) (gdb) any idea?? thanks!! TFC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing lists. I don't like forums for the fact that I have to wade thro the web to get there, but I have no issues with these for FreeBSD as the announcement says they are a complement to our fine mailing lists. I prefer the mail to the forums ans ince mail is still there, I am happy as I still have my choice. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Sunday 16 November 2008 11:04:28 am Brad Davis wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. Thank you! For problem-solving and discussion my personal preference is still for mailing lists, but given this announcement I decided to check out the forums. I am impressed by the layout and design and the thought that has obviously gone into setting up the categories, etc. I think the Howto/FAQ section alone will be a tremendous resource even for those of us who generally stick to mailing lists. It's only been online for a day and I've already learned something by scanning the rapidly growing number of posts in that section. The forums also provide a valuable means for those of us who don't frequently contribute code to support the community in other ways. Timely, helpful answers to questions of all levels combined with moderation and involvement from a large community of users will make the site a valuable, lasting resource for the projet. I hope to contribute what I can and encourage others to do the same. Regards, John Nielsen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CARP-Like Solution With Machines On Different Networks?
On Nov 17, 2008, at 7:57 AM, Alex Kirk wrote: After doing some research on the matter, it looks like CARP would be a winning solution - but only if the backup system was on the same network segment as the primary box. Given that there's no money to colocate a second backup system at the same facility as the main machine (and protection against failure at the colo facility is one of the primary drivers for the failover setup), however, it looks like CARP wouldn't be useful. If you can't or aren't willing to pay for a second machine, I doubt that any clustering solution is going to be workable for you, frankly. Most of the high-availability clusters I know about depend either on a multipath SAN or NAS setup to provide a common filestorage point for cluster members to synchronize with (the quorum drive for M$ clustered SQL server, similar for Sybase ASE cluster or Oracle Parallel Server [now Oracle RAC]), or require something like a hardware loadbalancer (Foundry ServerIron, NetScaler, etc) which acts to distribute transactions only onto the parts of the cluster which are up and working. That said, are there any solutions which behave similarly to CARP that I could use for a pair of machines connected solely via the Internet? For now, I'd even be happy if there was some way to simply do TCP port-level proxying, so to speak (i.e. connections come in to a given machine, and are proxied to the main system if it's up, but go to the backup box if not)? Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide. TCP level proxying is suitable for shared read-only distribution of traffic (ie, such as static web content going against a pool of webservers, all of which can serve any of the traffic coming their way). IPFW + natd can do this much via: -redirect_address localIP[,localIP[,...]] publicIP These forms of -redirect_port and -redirect_address are used to transparently offload network load on a single server and distribute the load across a pool of servers. This function is known as LSNAT (RFC 2391). For example, the argument tcp www1:http,www2:http,www3:http www:http means that incoming HTTP requests for host www will be trans- parently redirected to one of the www1, www2 or www3, where a host is selected simply on a round-robin basis, without regard to load on the net. ...but this paradigm simply won't work for content-aware traffic (ie, anything which has a per-user session) and it definitely won't work for a database. MySQL clustering is a less expensive possibility than most of the vendors listed above (M$ SQLServer EE is $25K per CPU, Oracle RAC is $60K per CPU), but even so Sun wants to bill at $2500 per day for a week of consulting to set it up for you. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pkg_delete core dump
On Monday 17 November 2008 20:15:46 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: hi, during recompiling some ports, I found my pkg_delete core dump on some ports (not all of them), when it dumped, it has something like this (print/acroread8): # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as i386-marcel-freebsd...(no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 (gdb) bt full #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. #1 0x0804b50c in ?? () No symbol table info available. snip incomplete backtrace You will have to recompile pkg_delete with debug symbols to get any idea. To do so, do the following (providing you have sources in /usr/src): cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install make clean make obj make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' depend make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' all install If this gives errors, it's best to do a full buildworld/installworld. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: root /etc/csh
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:22:11AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] A statically-linked version of bash would waste significant amounts of memory, while a dynamically-linked/shared version would ease that pain. The same applies for any static vs. dynamic program. How so? Wouldn't a single in-memory instance of the bash text segment be shared among all bash processes, across all users? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/thread.html#36647 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/036654.html In response to the original post: The kernel's ELF linker/loader for executables will share the text and read-only segments for static executables. This is consistent with my understanding. A statically-linked bash will consume more space on disk, and more memory the first time it is loaded, but as with any other executable, the executable portion of the program will be re-used each time another bash is run. But I am not a developer or a kernel engineer, so if there is a way in which a statically-compiled bash ends up consuming more memory on each invocation for some reason, I'd appreciate an explanation as to why. Sincerely, -daniel -- http://dannyman.toldme.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvsup first time - connection refused
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:53:02PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: Hi, I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names from this list: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP I get a Connection refused error. Help.. First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) instead of the cvsup port. That won't work at all with the standard cvs-supfile, which uses CVS mode. And what mode does csup use that is different? The supfile that I successfully used with csup says *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7. The standard supfile shouldn't work unmodified anyway. The host CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org doesn't resolve. Which is probably for the best :) Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpC4ckya9CJT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: root /etc/csh
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:45:52AM -0800, Daniel Howard wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:22:11AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] A statically-linked version of bash would waste significant amounts of memory, while a dynamically-linked/shared version would ease that pain. The same applies for any static vs. dynamic program. How so? Wouldn't a single in-memory instance of the bash text segment be shared among all bash processes, across all users? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/thread.html#36647 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/036654.html In response to the original post: The kernel's ELF linker/loader for executables will share the text and read-only segments for static executables. This is consistent with my understanding. A statically-linked bash will consume more space on disk, and more memory the first time it is loaded, but as with any other executable, the executable portion of the program will be re-used each time another bash is run. We didn't get an answer to Oliver's question (see the bottom half of his mail): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-August/036653.html But I am not a developer or a kernel engineer, so if there is a way in which a statically-compiled bash ends up consuming more memory on each invocation for some reason, I'd appreciate an explanation as to why. Someone would need to go through and determine using nm or objdump (if possible), combined with procstat -v, to find how much would get wasted. It also depends on what options bash was built with. For example, I use WITHOUT_NLS everywhere, which decreases the overall footprint a bit. My (dynamic) bash binary on my box at home only links to libc and libncurses. As it stands presently, I am under the belief that the benefits of shared/dynamic outweigh static for specific environments. I think I mentioned it earlier in my mail, but on a machine with 1500 shell users, the benefits of shared/dynamic stand out (think: sshd and bash). I do understand your point and where you're coming from, though. It might not matter as much for bash, but I also worry the attitude would start to get applied to other shells (like zsh, which is *heavily* shared/dynamic). -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvsup first time - connection refused
On Monday 17 November 2008 20:48:20 Roland Smith wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:53:02PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:49:04PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: Hi, I'm running cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile with all kinds of host names from this list: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTE R-SGML-MIRRORS-IL-CVSUP I get a Connection refused error. Help.. First, you should run csup (which is now part of the base system) instead of the cvsup port. That won't work at all with the standard cvs-supfile, which uses CVS mode. And what mode does csup use that is different? check-out only, for the moment. The csup author already has posted work on -hackers for repo-copy mode a few months back. The OP mentions cvs-supfile, which suggests /usr/share/examples/cvsup/cvs-supfile. This supfile repo copies the entire FreeBSD cvs repository. To get anything useful, it needs to be checked out again, using cvs. This is mainly used for mirroring and if you want to get different branches to a machine in one download, maintain local patches etc. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments?
* Maxim Khitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 14:47:00+]: I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. I do run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only about 15ms away from true UTC. That's interesting. Can you post your `ntpq -p` output here? Sure: $ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == +clock.trit.net 192.12.19.20 2 u 529 1024 377 81.5542.870 6.477 +mail.honeycomb. 192.43.244.182 u 408 1024 377 44.091 10.986 8.250 *tuppy.intrepidh 64.142.103.194 2 u 413 1024 377 67.709 15.626 10.327 +clock3.redhat.c 66.187.233.4 2 u 445 1024 377 147.283 24.455 9.397 +204.34.198.40 .USNO. 1 u 409 1024 377 88.746 20.620 10.405 +tick.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 427 1024 377 20.848 18.916 8.212 +ntp-s1.cise.ufl .GPS.1 u 421 1024 377 45.709 18.067 9.222 LOCAL(0)LOCAL(0)10 l 18 64 3770.0000.000 0.004 This is what I pretty much used to eyeball my offset earlier. When ntpd is running, its polling interval stays very low (around 64 seconds) because it keeps having to reset the clock. My message log is filled with the following: Intersting, I see the same in my logs, but the frequency seems to be much less than yours, e.g. for the month of November: Nov 1 00:08:22 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.129649 s Nov 3 15:33:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.137509 s Nov 4 03:11:51 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.237734 s Nov 4 03:34:23 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.150326 s Nov 4 13:05:20 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.317738 s Nov 4 13:32:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.560629 s Nov 4 13:54:35 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.265391 s Nov 4 15:43:55 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.163660 s Nov 7 17:31:03 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.130039 s Nov 10 18:29:19 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.169785 s Nov 10 19:46:26 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.146554 s Nov 10 20:27:08 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.891811 s Nov 10 20:53:59 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.774636 s Nov 10 21:35:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.384227 s Nov 10 22:33:46 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.194131 s Nov 11 12:34:25 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.433002 s Nov 11 13:01:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.335592 s Nov 11 15:17:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.933537 s Nov 11 16:01:42 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.510371 s Nov 11 17:29:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.133244 s Nov 11 19:16:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.191431 s Nov 11 19:42:30 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.458738 s Nov 11 20:09:16 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.207999 s Nov 11 20:36:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.143897 s Nov 14 01:29:44 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.134492 s Nov 15 13:13:36 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.199937 s Nov 15 14:45:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.205131 s And so on... Could it be a problem with the hardware on host machine? I use the same ntp.conf file on several FreeBSD 7.1 servers, and the VPS is the only one that has this problem. I checked on my other FreeBSD boxes (all 7.0) and none of them (VPS or otherwise) exihibit this problem. I upgraded my VPS to 7.1 a few months ago, but I don't remember if I had this problem when using 7. Mine is a 7.0. Thomas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE Login Manager leaves unexpectedly
In FreeSBD 7.0, set up KDE 3.5. I want to change settings in KDE Settings/SystemAdministration / LoginManager (no shutdown possibility for a non-root privilege user) This asks for the root password, I enter the correct root password, click OK, and that dialog window closes and I back in the desktop ... Why ??? (the root password is certainly correct, if I change a letter, I get Incorrect Password; try again) I can choose 'ignore' and continue with non-root privileges, but when I want to change something that requires root privileges, same dialog box and when entering correct password, the dialog window closes... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:01:02PM -0500, N.J. Thomas wrote: * Maxim Khitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 14:47:00+]: I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. I do run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only about 15ms away from true UTC. That's interesting. Can you post your `ntpq -p` output here? Sure: $ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == +clock.trit.net 192.12.19.20 2 u 529 1024 377 81.5542.870 6.477 +mail.honeycomb. 192.43.244.182 u 408 1024 377 44.091 10.986 8.250 *tuppy.intrepidh 64.142.103.194 2 u 413 1024 377 67.709 15.626 10.327 +clock3.redhat.c 66.187.233.4 2 u 445 1024 377 147.283 24.455 9.397 +204.34.198.40 .USNO. 1 u 409 1024 377 88.746 20.620 10.405 +tick.usno.navy. .USNO. 1 u 427 1024 377 20.848 18.916 8.212 +ntp-s1.cise.ufl .GPS.1 u 421 1024 377 45.709 18.067 9.222 LOCAL(0)LOCAL(0)10 l 18 64 3770.0000.000 0.004 This is what I pretty much used to eyeball my offset earlier. When ntpd is running, its polling interval stays very low (around 64 seconds) because it keeps having to reset the clock. My message log is filled with the following: Intersting, I see the same in my logs, but the frequency seems to be much less than yours, e.g. for the month of November: Nov 1 00:08:22 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.129649 s Nov 3 15:33:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.137509 s Nov 4 03:11:51 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.237734 s Nov 4 03:34:23 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.150326 s Nov 4 13:05:20 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.317738 s Nov 4 13:32:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.560629 s Nov 4 13:54:35 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.265391 s Nov 4 15:43:55 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.163660 s Nov 7 17:31:03 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.130039 s Nov 10 18:29:19 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.169785 s Nov 10 19:46:26 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.146554 s Nov 10 20:27:08 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.891811 s Nov 10 20:53:59 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.774636 s Nov 10 21:35:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.384227 s Nov 10 22:33:46 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.194131 s Nov 11 12:34:25 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.433002 s Nov 11 13:01:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.335592 s Nov 11 15:17:45 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.933537 s Nov 11 16:01:42 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.510371 s Nov 11 17:29:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.133244 s Nov 11 19:16:41 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.191431 s Nov 11 19:42:30 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.458738 s Nov 11 20:09:16 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.207999 s Nov 11 20:36:06 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.143897 s Nov 14 01:29:44 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.134492 s Nov 15 13:13:36 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset +0.199937 s Nov 15 14:45:09 zaph ntpd[678]: time reset -0.205131 s What time counter source does this box have available? The following will list what's being used (hardware) and what's available (choice): sysctl kern.timecounter.choice sysctl kern.timecounter.hardware Other ideas: Look into the fudge operator of ntp.conf. Try deleting your ntp driftfile. Note that if you do this, it will take a day or two for things to level out. It tries to figure out the average skew rate your system clock has. And so on... Could it be a problem with the hardware on host machine? I use the same ntp.conf file on several FreeBSD 7.1 servers, and the VPS is the only one that has this problem. I checked on my other FreeBSD boxes (all 7.0) and none of them (VPS or otherwise) exihibit this problem. Then there's a very good possibility it's hardware-related. At my workplace, we've had two separate machines in the past couple months had clocks which went crazy -- ntpd reporting 4-5 seconds of skew every 25-30 minutes. In both cases, the problem turned out to be broken/bad hardware (crystal or TSC gone bad). Just something to keep in mind. :-) -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:38 PM, N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-14 17:32:34+]: depends on how they do their installs, i know of a couple hosting companies doing it already Hey! Which ones? To respond to what another poster said on this thread about their clock, I've not seen any problems with the clock on my RootBSD Xen system. I do run the ntpd in base and on average, my clock is usually only about 15ms away from true UTC. Thomas That's interesting. Can you post your `ntpq -p` output here? For me the problem is not just the inaccuracy without ntpd. When ntpd is running, its polling interval stays very low (around 64 seconds) because it keeps having to reset the clock. My message log is filled with the following: Nov 17 03:59:35 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.684038 s Nov 17 04:18:44 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.840754 s Nov 17 04:37:33 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.581726 s Nov 17 04:57:28 ntpd[568]: time reset +2.078004 s Nov 17 05:16:48 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.558386 s Nov 17 05:36:41 ntpd[568]: time reset +2.245156 s Nov 17 05:56:07 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.486516 s Nov 17 06:23:25 ntpd[568]: time reset +2.386411 s Nov 17 06:59:47 ntpd[568]: time reset +3.175640 s Nov 17 07:19:02 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.134997 s Nov 17 07:38:01 ntpd[568]: time reset +1.499600 s And so on... Could it be a problem with the hardware on host machine? I use the same ntp.conf file on several FreeBSD 7.1 servers, and the VPS is the only one that has this problem. Actually, that's another thing - I upgraded my VPS to 7.1 a few months ago, but I don't remember if I had this problem when using 7.0. Anyone know if there were changes made to 7.1 that would make the OS behave differently under Xen? - Max ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: www/xpi-mozex (was Re: Official FreeBSD Forums)
Matthew Seaman wrote: Looks like the www/xpi-mozex port is a bit out of date. 1.9.5 in ports versus 1.9.9 available on-line. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll submit an update to the maintainer this evening. ports/128945 Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
KDE Login Manager leaves unexpectedly (2)
Addendum at the end: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Pieter Donche wrote: In FreeSBD 7.0, set up KDE 3.5. I want to change settings in KDE Settings/SystemAdministration / LoginManager (no shutdown possibility for a non-root privilege user) This asks for the root password, I enter the correct root password, click OK, and that dialog window closes and I back in the desktop ... Why ??? (the root password is certainly correct, if I change a letter, I get Incorrect Password; try again) I can choose 'ignore' and continue with non-root privileges, but when I want to change something that requires root privileges, same dialog box and when entering correct password, the dialog window closes... When I first click at the bottom, the button 'Adminstrator Mode' same dialog box, that closes at correct root password, but I am still left in non-root privileges (although there is now a red line arround the dialog window) but most of the settings that one should be able to change are grey .. because I still am not yet in root-privilege mode the user I was logged in which is part ot the group wheel (I a terminal window I can do aan su -, give the root paswsword and have all root privileges) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD not stable enough for Xen environments?
* Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 12:08:49+]: Intersting, I see the same in my logs, but the frequency seems to be much less than yours, e.g. for the month of November: What time counter source does this box have available? kern.timecounter.choice: TSC(-100) i8254(0) dummy(-100) kern.timecounter.hardware: i8254 Other ideas: Look into the fudge operator of ntp.conf. Yeah, I'm already fudging my local clock a bit. From my ntp.conf: # local clock server 127.127.1.0 # don't trust local clock too much fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 Try deleting your ntp driftfile. Note that if you do this, it will take a day or two for things to level out. It tries to figure out the average skew rate your system clock has. Hmm, my drift file looks decent enough: $ cat /var/db/ntp.drift 10.047 And it's being updated regularly enough. Then there's a very good possibility it's hardware-related. I'll ask the hosting company about it though to see if anyone has brought this up. Thomas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE Login Manager leaves unexpectedly (3)
Second Addendum at the end: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Pieter Donche wrote: In FreeSBD 7.0, set up KDE 3.5. I want to change settings in KDE Settings/SystemAdministration / LoginManager (no shutdown possibility for a non-root privilege user) This asks for the root password, I enter the correct root password, click OK, and that dialog window closes and I back in the desktop ... Why ??? (the root password is certainly correct, if I change a letter, I get Incorrect Password; try again) I can choose 'ignore' and continue with non-root privileges, but when I want to change something that requires root privileges, same dialog box and when entering correct password, the dialog window closes... When I first click at the bottom, the button 'Adminstrator Mode' same dialog box, that closes at correct root password, but I am still left in non-root privileges (although there is now a red line arround the dialog window) but most of the settings that one should be able to change are grey .. because I still am not yet in root-privilege mode the user I was logged in which is part ot the group wheel (I a terminal window I can do aan su -, give the root paswsword and have all root privileges) Addendum 2: I tried with checking the 'remember password' in the dialog window and entered the root paswoord. the window closes as before but at any next try, I get nothing at all any more: Settings / System Administration / LoginManager shows a dancing icon for 20 seconds and then disappears, leaving me in the desktop (probably because of the same non-responsiveness to a correctly. How to remedy all this ??? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large binary, why not strip ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 06:40:34PM +, Masoom Shaikh wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk stripping em all reduces their size dramatically I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? me too do I miss anything ? no. I am confused why both of you are seeing most of the programs installed this way. Can you confirm that this is true and not just an exaggeration? As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc). These are bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case basis. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before sending mail I manually stripped * in /usr/local/bin else I cud send u the o/p of `ls -lhS` yes, most is bit exaggerated...I perhaps was talking about first five binaries listed in increasing order of size... Yeah the largest binaries are likely to be unstripped. You can use pkg_which (part of portupgrade) to work out which ports they came from, then send the mainainer a polite email and/or PR request that they be installed stripped. Bonus points if you come up with a patch to do this: in most cases it will be a simple matter of changing the port's do-install: target to use INSTALL_* macros instead of cp/bsdtar etc. This would be a good project to get some familiarity with the ports tree. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pkg_delete core dump
Hi Mel, thank you for your help, now I recompile pkg_install and run pkg_delete again, under print/acroread8 it still coredump. here is the result: # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as i386-marcel-freebsd... Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 (gdb) bt #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 #2 0x0804adc5 in requiredby (pkgname=0x0, list=0xbfbfe1a8, strict=0, filter=0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/deps.c:202 #3 0x08049c14 in undepend (p=0x0, pkgname=0x810b180 acroread8-8.1.2_2) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/perform.c:385 #4 0x0804a769 in pkg_do (pkg=0x810b180 acroread8-8.1.2_2) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/perform.c:286 #5 0x0804a981 in pkg_perform (pkgs=0x810c060) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/perform.c:112 #6 0x08049b2a in real_main (argc=3, argv=0xbfbfeb60) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/delete/main.c:163 #7 0x0804ab58 in main (argc=3, argv=0xbfbfeb60) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/pkgwrap.c:88 (gdb) bt full #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 result = Variable result is not available. (gdb) up #1 0x0804b50c in isinstalledpkg (name=0x0) at /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c:374 374 if (strcmp(memo-iip_name, name) == 0) (gdb) should I do a full buildworld/installworld? TFC On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 November 2008 20:15:46 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: hi, during recompiling some ports, I found my pkg_delete core dump on some ports (not all of them), when it dumped, it has something like this (print/acroread8): # gdb pkg_delete pkg_delete.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as i386-marcel-freebsd...(no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `pkg_delete'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libmd.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libmd.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 (gdb) bt full #0 0x2815dae6 in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.7 No symbol table info available. #1 0x0804b50c in ?? () No symbol table info available. snip incomplete backtrace You will have to recompile pkg_delete with debug symbols to get any idea. To do so, do the following (providing you have sources in /usr/src): cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install make clean make obj make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' depend make DEBUG_FLAGS='-ggdb' all install If this gives errors, it's best to do a full buildworld/installworld. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ZFS over iSCSI anyone ?
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:29:06PM +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44:23PM +0100, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello Does anyone has tried to use ZFS over iSCSI ? Another FreeBSD user recently brought to my attention problems with iSCSI on FreeBSD. There is a patch available which fixes the issue, but I felt you might want to know about it beforehand. Issue: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003383.html Patch: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2008-February/003387.html Isn't this committed already? The user tells me it is not, and that his replies to the patch author have gone ignored. It looks like the iSCSI developer disappeared - I got a bounce message (in French) on the last e-mail :( signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: re changing from vista
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 10:23 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Try ReactOS- it's exactly that. I think its a version of Wine on steroids... does it really work - i mean all (or most at least) programs work. can user simply put say - M$ Office CD/DVD and click setup? if yes - they NEED MORE ADVERTISEMENT. i will check it today on second disk. if it's OK i will start recommending it all people i know that use windoze. thanks for info. Its currently a VM image so just use that - saves scratching a hard drive... Go to the vmware site and its located in the appliances section. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: You can register and start using our new service here: http://forums.FreeBSD.org How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List bridge? Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally, freebsd-questions@ could be bidirectionally mirrored to the forums, so we won't lose all those helpful people from freebsd-questions@ to the forums! Another advantage is that each of us subscribers could still automatically get a copy of posts, so we can archive them locally, as we do now with the mailing lists. Please give it a thought. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
cpghost wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: You can register and start using our new service here: http://forums.FreeBSD.org How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List bridge? Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally, freebsd-questions@ could be bidirectionally mirrored to the forums, so we won't lose all those helpful people from freebsd-questions@ to the forums! Another advantage is that each of us subscribers could still automatically get a copy of posts, so we can archive them locally, as we do now with the mailing lists. Please give it a thought. Thanks, -cpghost. I think this would likely cause a riot, at least with freebsd-questions. I think it is a better idea to leave them separate. A few things like resolving categories alone could end up being a problem. Do you not allow people to start new threads? If you do, where do they end up on the forum? Steve signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 04:23:55PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: cpghost wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: You can register and start using our new service here: http://forums.FreeBSD.org How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List bridge? Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally, freebsd-questions@ could be bidirectionally mirrored to the forums, so we won't lose all those helpful people from freebsd-questions@ to the forums! Another advantage is that each of us subscribers could still automatically get a copy of posts, so we can archive them locally, as we do now with the mailing lists. Please give it a thought. Thanks, -cpghost. I think this would likely cause a riot, at least with freebsd-questions. I think it is a better idea to leave them separate. A few things like resolving categories alone could end up being a problem. Do you not allow people to start new threads? If you do, where do they end up on the forum? Steve Hmmm... yes, on second thought not such a bright idea. But perhaps a bridge to an archiving-only mailing list (freebsd-forums@) similar to freebsd-cvs@ for forum posts could be set up anyway? IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting forum thread, because not everyone looks regularly there, but missing a catchy subject line in an MUA from the forums may be more difficult. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dlsym can't use handle returned by dlopen?
Don't mean to nag, but is there any news on this? regards, Markus Markus Hoenicka writes: Jeremy Chadwick writes: As promised: http://www.malkavian.com/~jdc/myprog.tar.gz This test program indeed works as expected. However, this doesn't quite reflect the situation in libdbi. I took your files and modified them accordingly, see: http://libdbi.sourceforge.net/downloads/dlsymtest.tar.gz To run the test use: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./myprog We need to set the environment variable to let the linker pick up a shared object that gmake builds. myprog.c now just calls a function which is provided in libmylib (built from mylib.c). The latter file does most of what your test case did in myprog.c. The second major change is that myshared.so is linked against libmysqlclient (just like a libdbi database driver is linked against the client library). myfunc now calls a MySQL function to show that it is accessible (if you don't have libmysqlclient handy, you can replace it with whatever function from some .so is convenient) Finally, libmylib tries to obtain a pointer to that MySQL function by means of a dlsym call. This new dlsym call, in contrast to the existing one that acesses myfunc in myshared.so, indeed fails: myint = 0xdeadbeef (3735928559) == entered myfunc() == double = 3.141590 ==mysql client version is 50051 == exiting myfunc() dlsym() in shared lib failed: Undefined symbol mysql_get_client_version So, to make the problem clear again: while dlsym works when accessing symbols in dlopen()ed objects, it fails to access symbols which are linked into such an object if you use the handle returned by dlopen(). This is different from other OSes. regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with mhoenicka) http://www.mhoenicka.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Markus Hoenicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with mhoenicka) http://www.mhoenicka.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
shrink ntfs
Hi all, Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Mar 18 nov 2008 01:35:38 CET ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shrink ntfs
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 01:39:48AM +0100, Albert Shih wrote: Hi all, Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? No, it cannot. There are a couple of utilities that come with FreeBSD but, at last check, they did not handle NTFS. I have successfully used Partition Magic version 7.0 (8.0 is crap) as long as it is not on a USB drive. It won't handle USB and 8.0 will not either even though it claims it will. I have also successfully used 'gparted' which is downloadable. It worked for NTFS and also worked fine with USB disk. There is yet another one whose name I don't remember now. Download gparted and burn a CD to boot and do the work. Or, buy Partition Magic 7.0 and build the floppies. Don't try using either on a running system.. jerry Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Mar 18 nov 2008 01:35:38 CET ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:38:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting forum thread, because not everyone looks regularly there, but missing a catchy subject line in an MUA from the forums may be more difficult. I second that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 10:40 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: ReactOS is somewhat of a joke at this point. I've personally tried it, and I cannot see how it can be taken seriously until its cleaned up and made much more user-friendly. There's also been some developer drama in recent days, which literally halted the project for months on end, and I don't know what became of that. quite bad, as their donation page. if they want to do something real then more people (but less than 10) are needed and finally implement all functionality. they could sell it, instead of begging for donations If you start selling software like that, you end up just like another M $. Me personally I don't like the software and system introduced by M$, so thats why I've moved to more secure systems like FOSS. I'd rather spend my time working with a community like this fixing issues than wasting time solving issues with win32 setups which simply don't hold water. But does it work (e.x. does it function)? Yes, it does. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
they could sell it, instead of begging for donations If you start selling software like that, you end up just like another M $. of course not like that. but with total of ca 2000$ donations over 2 years it doesn't make sense. Me personally I don't like the software and system introduced by M$, so thats why I've moved to more secure systems like FOSS. I'd rather spend my time working with a community like this fixing issues than wasting time solving issues with win32 setups which simply don't hold water. me too. i don't use windows and windows-like environments. but again - there is a place for competition on that field. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official FreeBSD Forums
Unfortunately, the only one who doesn't understand would not be any of the other posters. The community is much more trustworthy than you give it credit. The community got us a valuable resource and will continue to do so if people who might take an interest aren't too put off by perpetual negative spinners. we'll see within 2 yaers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
realtime network replication
Hello all, I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re changing from vista
not mentioning linux that got just billion$ total sposoring from IBM. Could you point out some of those strange-but-trendy features? I tried Ubuntu for a while on my laptop and it more or less Just Works. It very slow and badly under high load ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: realtime network replication
On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? Most people use a network file system (ie, NFS, Samba/CIFS, etc) for this sort of thing -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shrink ntfs
I doubt the FreeBSD install CD will do that. However, I'd get a copy gparted on a live CD. That'll do what you want. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Mar 18 nov 2008 01:35:38 CET ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: realtime network replication
Ok, I have /home on one server, I need to REPLICATE /home to another server in realtime. Kinda like a mirror, but over a network. I don't want to use rsync because its not realtime. -Original Message- From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 17, 2008 8:28 PM To: Ansar Mohammed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: realtime network replication On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? Most people use a network file system (ie, NFS, Samba/CIFS, etc) for this sort of thing -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
smbfs 2 GB file size limit
I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs a network NTFS share I have a 2 GB size limit on files. I checked the handbook and list archives but have not found a solution. Supposedly there is an smbmount as part of the standard samba, but that doesn't seem to install from any of the samba ports. Any help would be appreciated. -Derek derek at computinginnovations.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shrink ntfs
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt the FreeBSD install CD will do that. However, I'd get a copy gparted on a live CD. That'll do what you want. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) ) I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk. If I've a laptop come with winxp ? How can I shrink the WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? I have used gparted with a windows xp tablet and it worked. Sam Fourman Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: realtime network replication
On 11/17/2008 19:32, Ansar Mohammed wrote: Ok, I have /home on one server, I need to REPLICATE /home to another server in realtime. Kinda like a mirror, but over a network. I don't want to use rsync because its not realtime. Something along the lines of this maybe: http://phaq.phunsites.net/2006/08/11/realtime-file-system-replication-on-freebsd/ (Disclaimer I've not used the procedure above.) -Original Message- From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 17, 2008 8:28 PM To: Ansar Mohammed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: realtime network replication On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote: I need to replicate /home between two freebsd servers in real time (no scheduled rsyncs) What are my options? Most people use a network file system (ie, NFS, Samba/CIFS, etc) for this sort of thing -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Eric signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature