Re: how to enforce password change at first login
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:10:11AM +0100, Michael wrote: > Hi, > > How can I enforce a user to change his password at first login? > > I want to set up ssh access for my friends but I don't want to know > their passwords. And I don't trust they will change it just because I've > asked to do so. > > I was thinking I can create account with random password and provide it > to my users. Then the system would enforce password change at first login. > > Any clues, please? Something like: # pw usermod -p -1 Anyway, see pw(8). HTH, Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Random kernel blocking loop message (btx halted)
Hi folks, Sometimes (really rare), when I boot these messages appears in a infinite loop : http://markand.malikania.fr/Photo0393.jpg These messages are printed so fast that I can't read it, happily Scroll lock key let me take a picture. When this appears I have no solution instead rebooting with ctrl + alt + delete. My machine is running on a Intel DH55HC with FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE amd64. Cheers, -- David Demelier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
how to enforce password change at first login
Hi, How can I enforce a user to change his password at first login? I want to set up ssh access for my friends but I don't want to know their passwords. And I don't trust they will change it just because I've asked to do so. I was thinking I can create account with random password and provide it to my users. Then the system would enforce password change at first login. Any clues, please? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > > > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, > >that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the > >car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left > >and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written > >upon it, then a semicircle, then F. > > > > And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". That's okay - as long as it doesn't say "1/0" which would cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to get it replaced. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
> It's the same with computers. No matter what you want to do > with it, there IS something you need to learn, either BEFORE > you use it, or WHILE you're using it. With some simple means, > i. e. using the brain, reading, concluding, understanding, > THINKING, you're fine in this regards - because it's all > what is needed to advance to the required point. > I will add my $0.02 to this thread. Polytropon & others here, what they have suggested to OP, is that if he wants to succeed with FreeBSD, he will need to put some work into it. As with most things in life, this is very much true. There is not much handholding like Ubuntu/Mint/name-of-some-version-of-linux here, but in all of them, you have to invest a bit in them too! I am not an expert and I have run into some problems myself, but I can't blame the OS for not being easy or idiot proof. I have sometimes gotten into trouble but the folks here on the list have been very helpful and have answered most of time. Exceptions do exist when I was trying to update through ports system as I am not ***all there when it comes to updating FreeBSD with ports/cvsup/portmaster, ..., etc***, I have more experience from the Linux variants, Slackware/Fedora/Slax-now-Porteus/ etc, but that does not detract me from having two machines running FreeBSD one with XFCE as the desktop and one with KDE. I have not messed with the updates though :(, I can trash the machine easily and that is something one can easily do. The good thing is that there is plenty of documentation i.e, FAQ, handbook, and the expertise of this list is also a great thing to have. Also, I could say that some folks want to know if there is an easy way to Math like Geometry and some brillant mathematician said ``there is no royal path to geometry``. We can conclude the same for FreeBSD or other BSD that is out there :) Hope that you and other users out there don't give up and give it a shot. It is a great OS, just that one needs to invest some time and learn to work with it :) Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, >that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the >car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left >and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written >upon it, then a semicircle, then F. > And on a VW, it doesn't say "E" and "F" -- it says "0/1" and "1/1". -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpjhHYrRMDB7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:23:19 -0400, Jerry wrote: > Your approach to the problem neglects to factor in each individual's own > level of expertise and desires. I can just speak from my individual point of view. I do NOT claim that my experiences and knowledge are universal. Therefore, my view is limited, which I honestly can admit. > Example: there are millions of cars and drivers in the world. Ah, people LOVE car analogies. :-) > Now, how > many of those drivers truly want to do more than drive their vehicle > from point A to point B unencumbered by the nuances of their vehicle? > Now, if an individual wants to learn to be a class 1 mechanic, that is > fine; however, requiring it to just operate a vehicle is absurd. Let me use your example and make a computer relation projection into that analogy: People who want to use a car to get from A to be do not have to be class 1 mechanics. However, they need to know the rules of the traffic, all the funny signs and the lights, the round thing in the middle, the 4 round rubber things, the things where you press with feet, and that special magic key that makes the engine start. Denying that those require LEARNING and PRACTICING is just denying reality. Example: Tech: Driver tech support. How may I serve you? Driver: This my car doesn't start. T: I see. What is the car's brand name, model, manufacture year? D: I don't know. I bought it to get to the market, why would I give a damn. T: Alright, alright, relax. Let's try to fix it without this information (sigh). Is there any fuel in the tank? D: Hmm Fuel, you say. How would I know? T: Look at the control panel. Where does the arrow point, E or F? D: Where is the control panel? T: It should be tight behind the steering wheel, if you are sitting in the driver's chair. D: Ah! I see... There are a lot of arrows here, which one should I look at? T: Look at the one which has E or F written near it. There might be a gas station drawn near it as well. D: Ahhh! I see. The arrow points at zero. T: What do you mean, zero? D: Yes! Right at zero. And there is also x1000 written near the arrow. Is that the model of the car? X-1000? T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written upon it, then a semicircle, then F. D: Ahhh. I see, I see! The arrow is between E and F. T: Excellent! Then we know at least that you have fuel. Now let's check the battery. Do you see the steering wheel? D: Yeah. T: Press right in the middle of it. D: (a loud beep) Hey! Is it supposed to do that? T: (rolls his eyes) Everything is allright, that's your honk. If it works, then the battery is fine. Now let's try to start the car. D: Well, damn, I'm telling you it doesn't start. That s why I'm calling, moron. T: (grits his teeth) Still, let s try again! Press the clutch pedal, press the brakes, and turn the key. D: Hey-hey! From the beginning. Where is this catch pedal? T: CLUTCH under the steering wheel on the left. Did you find it? D: Found it. T: Press it down as far as it goes. Good. Now, do you see two pedals under the steering wheel to the right? D: Yeah. T: The one on the left is the brake. Press it. Did you? D: Done. T: Now turn the key in the ignition. D: How would I do that, if I have both hands busy? T: Excuse me? D: I am pressing with the left hand on the catch, the right hand on the brake, how the hell am I supposed to turn the key? T: (chokes from laughter) Allright, let s try again, but this time, press the pedals with your feet. D: Feet? Is that possible? T: (still chokes from laughter) Yes, it is. D: Let's try. Hey, that's much easier! Why didn't you tell me right away? ... (some fuss is heard) Allright, I pressed it. T: Now turn the key in the ignition. D: Where is the ignition? T: In the base of the steering wheel, to the right. D: Hmmm. I have the hole, but there is no key there. T: Well, put it in. D: What? T: (loses his patience) The ignition key! D: How would I know which one is the ignition key? T: (grabs his head) It is usually the biggest key in the bunch. D: The bunch. T: Yes, where you keep the rest of the keys. D: Ahhh! Well, I lost it two days ago. So what, I need a key? T: (throws down the receiver) Bep... D: Hello??? *** Original source here: http://www.techtales.com/tftechs.php?m=200905#9322 I hope it's okay that I put the full text on-list. I have added some punctuation. So you see, even in the "easy world of cars", there definitely IS something you need to know. It's the same with computers. No matter what you want to do with it, there IS something you need to learn, either BEFORE you use it, or WHILE you're using it. With some simple means, i. e. using the brain, reading, concluding, understanding,
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:00:07 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister > wrote: > > Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered > > rather than simpler. > > The definition of "simple" is individual, it depends on > present knowledge and the ability of thinking (concluding, > deriving, understanding). > > Simple things SIMPLE, complex things POSSIBLE. FreeBSD > utilizes this approach by providing small "units" that > fulfill a certain purpose and that can be combined to > do something more complex, instead of trying to build > a "one size fits all" complex that denies the simplest > choices. Sadly, such things are more common in software > than you want them to be... > > > > > Those that have all the extra built-ins with no thinking required > > tend to be more complicated, not simpler. They just cover it up > > by allowing fewer choices -- as you imply above. > > A good preconfiguration does help. If common tasks are > already well prepared, built-ins can be very helpful. > Instead, you often find a "pile of garbage" in software > that you're forced to pick what you intend to use, always > hoping it will work as intended. If problems occur and > you want to diagnose what's wrong - well, big problem. > As nobody thought of doing so, you don't have the option > to diagnose anything. > > Is THAT simple? I don't think so. > > ++ > || > | An error occured! | > || > | (Yes) (No) (All) | > || > ++ > > :-) > > The often called attribute "simple" does take the opportunity > to LEARN. As it has been initially mentioned, the OP wants > to learn BSD. So how can anybody learn if there is no way to > do so, because the "simple" concept states: You'll do it THAT > way. You can't do it differently. If it doesn't work, it doesn't > work. Period. Reboot and try again. > > There's also the belief (as in church) that certain systems > or programs are simple because WHEN problems occur, they are > ignored, or solving them is delegated to somebody else who > has the knowledge and experience to do so. For the user, the > mystic "It's so simple, it does anything on its own!" prevails > and gets communicated to others, although it's just wrong. > Aggressive advertising also uses this approach. After all, > I'll repeat my statement: PCs are not simple. Face it, it's > a fact. :-) Your approach to the problem neglects to factor in each individual's own level of expertise and desires. Example: there are millions of cars and drivers in the world. Now, how many of those drivers truly want to do more than drive their vehicle from point A to point B unencumbered by the nuances of their vehicle? Now, if an individual wants to learn to be a class 1 mechanic, that is fine; however, requiring it to just operate a vehicle is absurd. When I was a kid, I use to tear down motors and rebuild them for competition racing. Today, I won't even waste my time changing the oil on my own car. I don't have the time to waste and I can easily afford to have others who want to do that for a living attend to it. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:37 -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: > To really learn any operating system, you have to approach it on its own > terms and be willing to accept that it has its own way of doing things. > Its own idioms and paradigms. It has its own history of design > decisions, unforeseen consequences and problem resolutions. Some > problems that arise on one OS never come up on another, because they > approach things from entirely different angles. A very well formed statement. > The whole point of learning more than one OS, in my opinion, is to > explore the strengths and weaknesses of different designs, development > philosophies and ways of using computers. Otherwise, you're just being > a software dilettante. You basically also learn "thinking approaches", to conclude things and to estimate facts. This of course requires the OS and programs to act in a deterministic way. When learning things about UNIX, you learn POSTABLE things. Even if something is differently named or done on various UNIXes, you *KNOW* that they actually are the same (or utilizing the same service, the same principles, the same ideas). Which this kind of knowledge, you can find your way around in ANY UNIX operating system (and often even in Linux) because those share imporant ideas, and don't abandon them just to look "new" and "shiny". If you know those basic stuff, you're even able to locate it deep inside software that claims to be "all new" and "all different". This enables you to adopt to many variations of the same "old thing" as you do know what's "inside" it. ONLY THIS KIND of essential basic knowledge makes you a real professional - in opposite to dilletantic artists in IT. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:43:47 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > It might even be useful to have an initial screen that offers options such > as "Experienced User, Minimal Prompts", "Familiar User, Additional Prompts > and "First Time User, Walk me through it step by step." Even GeoWorks Ensemble had that back in the early 90s: New user, average user, experienced user. Depending on the setting, more or less options where shown, and less or more defaults have been set. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue 29 Mar 2011 at 13:59:44 PDT Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. FreeBSD is just one OS. There are some other BSD's such as PC-BSD, but it is not like Lunix with many different candy coatings over the same chewy carmel center. In BSD, each is its own OS, although there are definite similarities. If you really mean to learn BSD, then download the latest FreeBSD RELEASE (which is 8.2 at the moment) installation ISO, burn it, install it, configure it and use it. Everything goes on it easily from /usr/ports/... Just follow the handbook. In FreeBSD, the handbook is your friend followed by the man pages and Google. They are very good compared to what you find elsewhere on other systems. If you are not willing to do that, then really you are not that interested in learning it, so why bother. To put what Jerry said in another way, if what you mean by "configuring FreeBSD to my liking" is making it look, feel and behave as much as possible like the Linux and Windows systems you're familiar with, you aren't really learning FreeBSD at all. To really learn any operating system, you have to approach it on its own terms and be willing to accept that it has its own way of doing things. Its own idioms and paradigms. It has its own history of design decisions, unforeseen consequences and problem resolutions. Some problems that arise on one OS never come up on another, because they approach things from entirely different angles. There are also some rather significant differences in the goals and tastes of the user communities associated with different OSes. BSD folk don't necessarily have the same interests as Linux folk, just as Mac people are different from Windows people, and Windows people are different from anyone in the world of Unix-like operatings systems. And Plan 9 people are different from all the rest of them put together. ;) The whole point of learning more than one OS, in my opinion, is to explore the strengths and weaknesses of different designs, development philosophies and ways of using computers. Otherwise, you're just being a software dilettante. So, just whack on FreeBSD and learn it. Once you know it pretty well you can play around with dual booting Lunix if you still want to or maybe you will discover the cleaner and more straightforward BSD system more to your liking and just stick with it. Who knows. It should only take a few days. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
--On March 29, 2011 2:23:48 PM -0700 Chip Camden wrote: Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What >> desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or >> Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however. Yes, but "keep it simple" need not mean "do everything for you." Often, a simpler design means more choices, and more choices means more responsibility and more steps to completion. I totally agree. However, there are different degrees of choices. For example, an installer that says, "Now it's time to partition your disk. Go do that, and when you finish, I'll return you to this screen for the next step." is demonstrably different from one that says, "Now it's time to partition your disk. Would you like me to use these displayed defaults? Or would you like to make your own decisions?" Then, once you've selected option 2 it says, "What would you like to name this partition? (note, you MUST have a root partition, represented by "/". The former is not "user friendly". The latter is more so. Yes, you can go to the Handbook and read about partitions, and you can google about them and learn more, but the first time you install FreeBSD and you're staring at that screen, it's daunting for some folks. It might even be useful to have an initial screen that offers options such as "Experienced User, Minimal Prompts", "Familiar User, Additional Prompts and "First Time User, Walk me through it step by step." -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:36 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered > rather than simpler. The definition of "simple" is individual, it depends on present knowledge and the ability of thinking (concluding, deriving, understanding). Simple things SIMPLE, complex things POSSIBLE. FreeBSD utilizes this approach by providing small "units" that fulfill a certain purpose and that can be combined to do something more complex, instead of trying to build a "one size fits all" complex that denies the simplest choices. Sadly, such things are more common in software than you want them to be... > Those that have all the extra built-ins with no thinking required > tend to be more complicated, not simpler. They just cover it up > by allowing fewer choices -- as you imply above. A good preconfiguration does help. If common tasks are already well prepared, built-ins can be very helpful. Instead, you often find a "pile of garbage" in software that you're forced to pick what you intend to use, always hoping it will work as intended. If problems occur and you want to diagnose what's wrong - well, big problem. As nobody thought of doing so, you don't have the option to diagnose anything. Is THAT simple? I don't think so. ++ || | An error occured! | || | (Yes) (No) (All) | || ++ :-) The often called attribute "simple" does take the opportunity to LEARN. As it has been initially mentioned, the OP wants to learn BSD. So how can anybody learn if there is no way to do so, because the "simple" concept states: You'll do it THAT way. You can't do it differently. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Period. Reboot and try again. There's also the belief (as in church) that certain systems or programs are simple because WHEN problems occur, they are ignored, or solving them is delegated to somebody else who has the knowledge and experience to do so. For the user, the mystic "It's so simple, it does anything on its own!" prevails and gets communicated to others, although it's just wrong. Aggressive advertising also uses this approach. After all, I'll repeat my statement: PCs are not simple. Face it, it's a fact. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: opening a shared object / failing with Undefined Symbol.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Giorgos Keramidas
wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jim wrote:
>> I have an application that opens two .so files with dlopen(3):
>> /usr/local/lib/libag_core.so
>> /usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so
>>
>> Both files exist
>> Running nm(1) against each produces a lot of output, showing all the
>> symbols I know to exist in each library.
>>
>> My application gets a null return from dlopen on the libag_gui.so.
>>
>> dlerror produces the following string:
>> "/usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so Undefined symbol "agTimingLock"
>>
>> $ nm /usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so | grep agTiming
>> U agTimingLock
>>
>> I'm guessing that means that agTimingLock is used in that library but
>> not defined?
>>
>> $ nm /usr/local/lib/libag_core.so | grep agTiming
>> 00141c00 B agTimingLock
>>
>> And this would mean that it is defined in libag_core.so?
>
> Yes, but it's in the uninitialized data section:
>
> % man nm
> ...
> "B"
> "b" The symbol is in the uninitialized data section (known as BSS).
>
> What is the "ag" library? Which version are you using? What sort of
> dlopen() call did you try to run?
>
The "ag" library is libagar ( http://libagar.org/ ):
The code amounts to the following:
void * coredl = dlopen("/usr/local/lib/libag_core.so", 0)
void * guidl = dlopen("/usr/local/lib/libag_gui.so", 0)
and the function:
int (*AG_InitCore)(const char * title, int flags);
int (*AG_InitGraphics)(const char * drv);
*((void *)AG_InitCore) = dlsym(coredl, "AG_InitCore");
*((void *)AG_InitGraphics) = dlsym(guidl, "AG_InitGraphics");
The prototypes for the AG_* functions match.
Thanks,
-Jim Stapleton
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Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:45:27 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I want to learn BSD. I may emphasize the word LEARN. You'll see why later on. :-) > I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro > is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, > word processing, etc.). This is a typical use for FreeBSD. For example, I'm using it as my home desktop for many years now. One thing to keep in mind: In opposite to the Linusi, FreeBSD does not come in different distributions. It is ONE operating system. The base system is standardized. You can install additional software by two means: either from source, using the ports collection, or from precompiled binary packages. Depending on your needs, one solution may be better than the other. You can also use both ways in combination. Systems like PC-BSD use the FreeBSD operating system (the base system) and come with software preinstalled and preconfigured. PC-BSD is very KDE-centric (which maybe is no problem). It also has a third way of installing software: It seems to be primarily intended to be friendly to those users who feel familiar with the strange concept of downloading stuff with a web browser when they want to install something. > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. There is EXCELLENT documentation that will help you: The FAQ and the handbook can be viewed online. They cover the most common things related to FreeBSD. The friendly community of this mailing list will also help you if you encounter a problem. Please be patient and read the documentation FIRST. Really, it is that simple, and it is important. > It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. Admittedly, building and configuring a system from scratch takes some time. It also REQUIRES you to have certain knowledge. Trial & error will lead you nowhere (except into problems). Still, as you wanted to LEARN FreeBSD, this is a good chance. You'll learn the basics of UNIX, which are ESSENTIAL if you want to survive in the UNIX world, no matter if you are on a BSD, on Linux, or on one of the commercial UNIXes; basically, you will find yourself in "learning by doing". > I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot > Linux and BSD. As I'm not a "multi-booter", I would assume that it is sufficient to add an entry to the GRUB configuration file to point to the slice / partition where you did install FreeBSD into. It should be /dev/sda, where is the correct partition number. FreeBSD also has its own boot loader. The default MBR boot system boots FreeBSD. You can also install the boot manager which would allow you to boot FreeBSD or Linux. I've been using it in the past, but that was maaany years ago. > I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. Do you plan to use FreeBSD in a VirtualBox environment or do you have the chance to install it on "real hardware"? If so - DO IT. You'll often see better results. There's also FreeSBIE. It's a lightweight and versatile FreeBSD live file system that you can boot AND USE from CD. It's very good for checking hardware compatibility. > I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, > and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. Maybe you should direct your PC-BSD related questions to the respective boards or mailing lists. > GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the > keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. Okay, that looks like a total no-go. > DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I'm not sure if this OS - derived from FreeBSD - is primarily intended for desktop use... but as the BSDs are multi-purpose operating systems (embedded, desktop, server, mixed forms), it should be possible... > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. I've been starting with Slackware in the 90s... :-) It taught me the UNIX basics that I can now apply ANYWHERE in the UNIX world. I'm not sure most "user-friendly" distros do that anymore, as they tend to hide the essential stuff behind GUIs. When there is no CLI, you won't learn ANYTHING. > It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes > codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like > user interface. The last point would be a no-go for me as I know much better interfaces (more user-friendly, more productive) from my "IT career". :-) Codecs are no problem on FreeBSD, you install them as any other software. Keep in mind that because of lawyer-blah, lobby-blah and idiots-blah the codecs are not included in the base system. > For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or > antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous > choice in the BSD world. All the BSDs have hardware requirements (for the respective operating systems) that make any "modern" Linux cry. Basically, you need to CHOOSE WISELY which software you use. There is lots of good stuff that can even turn "grampa-PCs" into usable wo
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > > > On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: > > > > >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop > > >> BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken > > >> of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > > > > > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could > > > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. > > > > There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however. > > > Yes, but "keep it simple" need not mean "do everything for you." Often, > a simpler design means more choices, and more choices means more > responsibility and more steps to completion. But often better eventual results. Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered rather than simpler. Those that have all the extra built-ins with no thinking required tend to be more complicated, not simpler. They just cover it up by allowing fewer choices -- as you imply above. jerry > > -- > .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com > ..o | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com > ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
> ...I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt > it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). There is no distro in BSDworld. BSD family is complete operating system. Linux distros are a combination of a kernel and all the tools necessary for an operating system to work properly. > > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take > too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking... > BSD operatings system family has many member. Each one is develeoped with a common criteria that users and -almost- developers are the same people. So it is not a surprise that you had trouble with the configuration. The configuration troubles can be solved by reading the documentation and applying it. Also the hardware has got its nasty part. Not all hardware are BSD compatible. Some may work and some may not. Consult the release notes before attempting to installing and trying to configure the hardware. An unsupported piece of hardware would consume your time for nothing but pain. > > ...I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. > I have 10+ years old computers that could not run those Linux distributions you had mentioned but could easily run FreeBSD and OpenBSD current branches as well as STABLE and RELEASE. There is no analogous choice for BSD familiy of operatings systems from my point of view compared to Linux distros you've mentioned. There is no flash for BSD. Ypu need Linux compatibility and Linux stuff is needed to install flash. I do not nedd flash. No codec needed on my boxes. > > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? > There is no BSD distro. > > What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica > "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? > It is quite common that anyone can suggest PC-BSD for "easy to use" keeping in mind "casual computer user". Though I am not sure Paris or Jessica is "casual". I prefer FreeBSD and OpenBSD for my laptops and desktops also for servers, network management and for all kind of computing stuff. > > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD > distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. > Well, try to install OpenBSD as it is straight forward to install. OpenBSD doetects and configures all the hardware if supported. Installer is text based. Just answer the questions and you are done. Desktop is FVWM. You may not like the look and feel. You can install another desktop or window manager via packages. The ISO files for installation is quite small ~ 200MiB in size. Consult the OpenBSD FAQ before downloading and installing it. Patches are released as source code not binary. You have to compile and install patches, fallow the instructions of the relevent patches. And a couple of words: Read the documentationand make sure you understand it! Read the release notes and errata! Check the compatibility of the hardware you have! Backup you data! There is no BSD distro thing! BSD is direct descendent of UNIX! (so things are quite different in BSD realm) -- Gökşin Akdeniz (Gökşin Akdeniz) Anahtar parmakizi/key fingerprint = FE10 8C14 A144 4FDE BE18 D5E3 E758 F49A 8A5D F8AE [Son kullanma tarihi/expire date: 2011-06-08] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: > > On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: > > >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD > >> distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the > >> Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > > > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could > > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. > > There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however. > Yes, but "keep it simple" need not mean "do everything for you." Often, a simpler design means more choices, and more choices means more responsibility and more steps to completion. -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgppvyL57nMjx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
> But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take > too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to > enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and > DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install > and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too > many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my > Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. To boot FreeBSD, you need the code in the master boot record to simply pass control to the boot sector code sitting in the FreeBSD partiton. The boot sector code on the FreeBSD partition has everything it needs to boot FreeBSD. So, in GRUB: title FreeBSD root(hd0,2) makeactive chainloader +1 (hd0,2) means FreeBSD is on the 3rd partition of the hard drive. Side note: When you install FreeBSD there is an option to "don't touch the MBR" (master boot record). However in practice and with certain versions of FreeBSD I have found that even with the "don't touch" selected, it still modifies little things in the MBR. Therefore, I would recommend backing up the 512 bytes in the MBR on your system so that you can restore in case things become unbootable, which was the case for me when I installed CURRENT a few days ago. Another side note: FreeBSD might not be for the faint at heart. It's very powerful however. For me, FreeBSD is an opportunity to learn more about how computers actually work. And I'm delighted by the experience. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote: >> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD >> distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the >> Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could > handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however. > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a > distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word > processing, etc.). > > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take > too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to > enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. If you want to learn, then facing challenges is the best way to learn. Be prepared to spend some time doing research. Have two computers on hand, one with your FreeBSD, and another with linux or something known working on it that you can do your research on. Backup everything before you start, in case of the worst. I have wiped many machines by accident while learning (and as such learn the value of backups and how to restore systems). You will not master anything unless you actually put in the time and effort. Facing challenges will catalyse this process. Sincerely, William Brown Research & Teaching, Technology Services The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 CRICOS Provider Number 00123M - IMPORTANT: This message may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you think it was sent to you by mistake, please delete all copies and advise the sender. For the purposes of the SPAM Act 2003, this email is authorised by The University of Adelaide. pgp.mit.edu PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
> So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD > distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the > Sea" Simpson can handle it? To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive. -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpRQg722vvD7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a > distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word > processing, etc.). > > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take > too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to > enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and > DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install > and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too > many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my > Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. > > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, > well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, > and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I > recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the > analogous choice in the BSD world. > > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD > distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the > Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD > distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. FreeBSD is just one OS. There are some other BSD's such as PC-BSD, but it is not like Lunix with many different candy coatings over the same chewy carmel center. In BSD, each is its own OS, although there are definite similarities. If you really mean to learn BSD, then download the latest FreeBSD RELEASE (which is 8.2 at the moment) installation ISO, burn it, install it, configure it and use it. Everything goes on it easily from /usr/ports/... Just follow the handbook. In FreeBSD, the handbook is your friend followed by the man pages and Google. They are very good compared to what you find elsewhere on other systems. If you are not willing to do that, then really you are not that interested in learning it, so why bother. As for the Grub issue, I have dual booted FreeBSD alongside of various MS stuff many times with no problem and no need of Grub. I just make sure the MS is installed first and then use the FreeBSD MBR. It is quite plain and not pretty, but works just fine. I haven't tried W-7 yet. But, although I have installed numerous Linux machines, mostly CentOS, and they use Grub, I have never dual booted a Linux and never had to configure Grub to deal with that. I think, a long time and many versions ago, the FreeBSD MBR could boot the more well known Linuxen in a dual boot situation, but who knows how more weird it has gotten since then. I am quite certain that Grub will boot FreeBSD, because FreeBSD still uses the most standard, most common old fashioned DOS boot protocol to get started -- and just getting the first block read in and executing is all you need of the MBR which is what Grub is as well as FreeBSD MBR. So, just whack on FreeBSD and learn it. Once you know it pretty well you can play around with dual booting Lunix if you still want to or maybe you will discover the cleaner and more straightforward BSD system more to your liking and just stick with it. Who knows. It should only take a few days. jerry > > -- > Jason Hsu > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a > distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word > processing, etc.). > > But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take > too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to > enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and > DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install > and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too > many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my > Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. > > I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, > well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, > and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I > recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the > analogous choice in the BSD world. > > So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD > distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the > Sea" Simpson can handle it? > > Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD > distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. > I'm not sure I understand the question. Have you actually installed FreeBSD? Are you familiar with FreeBSD Ports system? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: Easiest desktop BSD distro
I've always "heard" PC-BSD is the way to go on the desktop, so if that's not going too well then I'm not sure. I don't think there is a BSD that Paris and Jessica would be able to install. Then again, that's not really what made them noteworthy. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hsu Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:45 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. -- Jason Hsu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system." ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Easiest desktop BSD distro
I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica "Chicken of the Sea" Simpson can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. -- Jason Hsu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Using "/etc/rc.d/netif start"
> In my experience, I've found it best to restart 'routing,' as well. > > /etc/rc.d/routing restart Yes indeed thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Using "/etc/rc.d/netif start"
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:40:19AM -0700, Nerius Landys thus spake: First off, I'm on 9.0-CURRENT-i386, but I don't think that will make a difference for purposes of my question. I think the freebsd-current folks are expecting questions that are much harder than this one. I'm trying to use /etc/rc.d/netif to bring down and bring back up all network interfaces, because I'm trying to get the correct entries in /etc/rc.conf for testing some extra network cards. So right now, my /etc/rc.conf looks like this: defaultrouter="192.168.0.254" hostname="elmer.i" ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.0.6 netmask 255.255.255.0" /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: domain i nameserver 192.168.0.254 I'm basically in a LAN. When I boot up this "elmer.i" machine, everything works well. Then, I do the following two commands: /etc/rc.d/netif stop /etc/rc.d/netif start After these, I'm still able to ping a raw IP LAN address such as 192.168.0.254. However, two problems start occurring: 1. I cannot ping an IP address that is outside of my LAN, e.g. ping 64.156.192.169 PING 64.156.192.169 (64.156.192.169): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No route to host 2. DNS (via 192.168.0.254 nameserver) won't work at first, but starts to magically work when I for example enable sshd and log in to elmer from another host on the LAN So the nut of my question is, I think "/etc/rc.d/netif stop" stops some additional things such as packet routing that the corresponding "/etc/rc.d/netif start" command won't start back up. So what is the best way to bring down the network and bring it back up again for purposes of testing /etc/rc.conf syntax? In my experience, I've found it best to restart 'routing,' as well. /etc/rc.d/routing restart -jgh -- Jason Helfman System Administrator experts-exchange.com http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_4830110.html E4AD 7CF1 1396 27F6 79DD 4342 5E92 AD66 8C8C FBA5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Using "/etc/rc.d/netif start"
First off, I'm on 9.0-CURRENT-i386, but I don't think that will make a difference for purposes of my question. I think the freebsd-current folks are expecting questions that are much harder than this one. I'm trying to use /etc/rc.d/netif to bring down and bring back up all network interfaces, because I'm trying to get the correct entries in /etc/rc.conf for testing some extra network cards. So right now, my /etc/rc.conf looks like this: defaultrouter="192.168.0.254" hostname="elmer.i" ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.0.6 netmask 255.255.255.0" /etc/resolv.conf looks like this: domain i nameserver 192.168.0.254 I'm basically in a LAN. When I boot up this "elmer.i" machine, everything works well. Then, I do the following two commands: /etc/rc.d/netif stop /etc/rc.d/netif start After these, I'm still able to ping a raw IP LAN address such as 192.168.0.254. However, two problems start occurring: 1. I cannot ping an IP address that is outside of my LAN, e.g. > ping 64.156.192.169 PING 64.156.192.169 (64.156.192.169): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: No route to host 2. DNS (via 192.168.0.254 nameserver) won't work at first, but starts to magically work when I for example enable sshd and log in to elmer from another host on the LAN So the nut of my question is, I think "/etc/rc.d/netif stop" stops some additional things such as packet routing that the corresponding "/etc/rc.d/netif start" command won't start back up. So what is the best way to bring down the network and bring it back up again for purposes of testing /etc/rc.conf syntax? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: reverse dns in bind9
hey guys, ok I fixed the reverse zone file and now it's working perfectly! @ IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com. bluethundr.gmail.com. ( 2011032901 ;serial 14400 ;refresh 3600 ;retry 604800 ;expire 10800;minimum ) 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.IN NS ns1.yournameserver.com. 42 IN PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. 43 IN PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. 44 IN PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. LBSD2# host 192.168.1.42 42.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Jon Radel wrote: > On 3/29/11 12:05 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: >> >> hello >> >> no crabby comments on restart at all! >> >> LBSD2# /etc/rc.d/named restart >> Stopping named. >> Waiting for PIDS: 4970. >> Starting named. >> >> Ah but yes some complaints from the logs >> >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: >> ignoring out-of-zone data (summitnjhome.com) >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: >> master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:11: unexpected end of line >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: dns_master_load: >> master/summitnjhome-reverse.db:10: unexpected end of input >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: >> loading from master file master/summitnjhome-reverse.db failed: >> unexpected end of input >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: zone 1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN: not >> loaded due to errors. >> Mar 29 04:59:47 LBSD2 named[5469]: running >> >> >> >> Tho I am not sure why it's complaining about unexpected end of input >> >> this is the whole file > > Really? Judging from the line numbers in the log messages, you're missing > about 3 lines that, I would hope, include something like > > IN SOA ns1.summitnjhome.com bluethunder.gmail.com ( >> >> 201103271 ; Serial, todays date + todays serial >> 8H ; Refresh >> 2H ; Retry >> 4W ; Expire >> 1D) ; Minimum TTL >> NS ns1.summitnjhome.com. >> summitnjhome.com. > > doesn't make much sense as data in this zone, error message 1 > ^ Whoa, Nelly, where's the rest of this line? error > message 2 > > Oh, never mind, I'm so out of here.ignore all that stuff below, messages > 3 and 4 > >> 42 PTR LCENT01.summitnjhome.com. >> 43 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> 44 PTR LBSD2.summitnjhome.com. >> 45 PTR LCENT02.summitnjhome.com. >> 46 PTR LCENT03.summitnjhome.com. >> 47 PTR LCENT04.summitnjhome.com. >> 23 PTR virtcent01.summitnjhome.com. >> 24 PTR virtcent02.summitnjhome.com. >> 21 PTR virtcent03.summitnjhome.com. >> 26 PTR virtcent04.summitnjhome.com. >> 27 PTR virtcent05.summitnjhome.com. >> 28 PTR virtcent06.summitnjhome.com. >> 29 PTR virtcent07.summitnjhome.com. >> 30 PTR virtcent08.summitnjhome.com. >> 31 PTR virtcent09.summitnjhome.com. >> 32 PTR virtcent10.summitnjhome.com. >> 33 PTR virtcent11.summitnjhome.com. >> 34 PTR virtcent12.summitnjhome.com. >> 35 PTR virtcent13.summitnjhome.com. >> 36 PTR virtcent14.summitnjhome.com. >> 37 PTR virtcent15.summitnjhome.com. >> 38 PTR virtcent16.summitnjhome.com. >> 39 PTR virtcent17.summitnjhome.com. >> 40 PTR virtcent18.summitnjhome.com. >> 41 PTR virtcent19.summitnjhome.com. >> >> > > -- > > --Jon Radel > j...@radel.com > > -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Can't rebuild kernel with ZFS v15
Thank you for responding. For two reasons I know it's running zfs v14 after the rebuild: 1) During boot, a message shows: ZFS Filesystem version 4 ZFS Storage pool version 14 2) After getting to the failed root mount point of the boot (after it fails to mount my zfs root), I enter: ufs:/dev/ad4s1a to get to my boot partition (which must remain UFS obviously, hehe), and try to mount my pools with the 'zfsmount' command, however it errors with something similar to: "storage pool version does not match" I can only get my system working again by manually moving /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.bad (or whatever) and replacing it with the previous kernel. :( On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:40:17 -0500, krad wrote: On 28 March 2011 10:37, Andre Goree wrote: Hello, Ever since I upgraded to 8.2 a few weeks ago, I can't seem to rebuild my kernel without it being built with ZFS v14 rather than v15. This is a problem because I'm using root on ZFS and my box won't boot after the kernel rebuild and reboot. At first I thought it was because I rebuilt the kernel without rebuilding world, however the same thing happens even after getting up-to-date sources and rebuilding world. Anyone else having this problem? Thanks in advance. Andre Goree an...@drenet.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" what is making you think you are running zfs v14? Are you looking at zpool status? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- Andre Goree an...@drenet.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Can't rebuild kernel with ZFS v15
On 28 March 2011 10:37, Andre Goree wrote: > Hello, > > Ever since I upgraded to 8.2 a few weeks ago, I can't seem to rebuild my > kernel without it being built with ZFS v14 rather than v15. This is a > problem because I'm using root on ZFS and my box won't boot after the kernel > rebuild and reboot. > > At first I thought it was because I rebuilt the kernel without rebuilding > world, however the same thing happens even after getting up-to-date sources > and rebuilding world. Anyone else having this problem? > > Thanks in advance. > > Andre Goree > an...@drenet.info > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > what is making you think you are running zfs v14? Are you looking at zpool status? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: printf() leak?
On 29/03/2011 09:59, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi David,
It seems printf() always alloc something and does not free it:
What compiler and what optimizations? Most compilers will optimize a
printf without any special formatting into a puts call instead of a
printf call.
I was using clang / gcc without any optimisations.
For example clang -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer (which I use for clarity
here) outputs this code:
.file "leak.c"
...
main: # @main
# BB#0: # %entry
subl$12, %esp
movl$str, (%esp)
calll puts
xorl%eax, %eax
addl$12, %esp
ret
.Ltmp0:
...
str:
.asciz "Hi"
.size str, 3
...
[snip]
==67840== suppressed: 4,096 bytes in 1 blocks
Lets take a look at what valgrind says immediately after this:
==14481== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v
One of the lines we get is
--14508-- used_suppression: 1 libc puts leak
I didn't see this one, thanks!
Which means it is a known issue and has been specially marked as to
avoid being reported by valgrind.
Lets take a look to see where this suppression happens: in
/usr/local/lib/valgrind/default.supp we find
{
libc puts leak
Memcheck:Leak
fun:malloc
obj:/lib/libc.so.7
obj:/lib/libc.so.7
obj:/lib/libc.so.7
fun:puts
fun:main
}
After some investigation I was able to find the following commit:
http://p4db.freebsd.org/chv.cgi?CH=168767 which shows when this
suppression was added and by whom.
I trust that if you are interested in the details of why this leak is
detected you have the skills to follow up on this by yourself :-)
Thanks a lot for the details.
Thank you for trying to make FreeBSD better!
:-)
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Re: printf() leak?
Hi David,
> It seems printf() always alloc something and does not free it:
What compiler and what optimizations? Most compilers will optimize a
printf without any special formatting into a puts call instead of a
printf call.
For example clang -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer (which I use for clarity
here) outputs this code:
.file "leak.c"
...
main: # @main
# BB#0: # %entry
subl$12, %esp
movl$str, (%esp)
calll puts
xorl%eax, %eax
addl$12, %esp
ret
.Ltmp0:
...
str:
.asciz "Hi"
.size str, 3
...
[snip]
> ==67840== suppressed: 4,096 bytes in 1 blocks
Lets take a look at what valgrind says immediately after this:
==14481== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v
One of the lines we get is
--14508-- used_suppression: 1 libc puts leak
Which means it is a known issue and has been specially marked as to
avoid being reported by valgrind.
Lets take a look to see where this suppression happens: in
/usr/local/lib/valgrind/default.supp we find
{
libc puts leak
Memcheck:Leak
fun:malloc
obj:/lib/libc.so.7
obj:/lib/libc.so.7
obj:/lib/libc.so.7
fun:puts
fun:main
}
After some investigation I was able to find the following commit:
http://p4db.freebsd.org/chv.cgi?CH=168767 which shows when this
suppression was added and by whom.
I trust that if you are interested in the details of why this leak is
detected you have the skills to follow up on this by yourself :-)
Thank you for trying to make FreeBSD better!
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printf() leak?
Hello,
It seems printf() always alloc something and does not free it:
#include
#include
int
main(void)
{
printf("Hi\n");
return 0;
}
and valgrind ./a.out:
==67840==
==67840== HEAP SUMMARY:
==67840== in use at exit: 4,096 bytes in 1 blocks
==67840== total heap usage: 1 allocs, 0 frees, 4,096 bytes allocated
==67840==
==67840== LEAK SUMMARY:
==67840==definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==67840==indirectly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==67840== possibly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==67840==still reachable: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
==67840== suppressed: 4,096 bytes in 1 blocks
(The experience on Linux does not leak)
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Re: Tape drive for backup soloution
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:18 +1030 William Brown wrote: > Are there any recommendations that you can make about compatible > solutions. My knowledge in this area is limited. My needs are not so big and I use HP Ultrium 448 (LTO-2) drive, but I'm sure that buying HP's LTO-2 drive will be nice solution for you. btw, I recently switched from Bacula to Amanda, but I'm just in the process of moving to (Free)PCBSD, but I'm sure drive is supported well. Otoh, I also heard that IBM's drives are not bad and usually cheaper than HP brand. Sincerely, Gour -- “In the material world, conceptions of good and bad are all mental speculations…” (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) http://atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: CDBF17CA signature.asc Description: PGP signature
