Re: mx1.freebsd.org
Hi, My postfix mail servers shows to messages in the queue saying (host mx1.FreeBSD.org[69.147.83.52] said: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [86.58.167.132] (in reply to RCPT TO command)) But when i do a lookup or a reverse lookup, i find my hostname, also from work and other ip, not only local ;) I am not sure if that helps but: dig -x 86.58.167.132 ;; ANSWER SECTION: 132.167.58.86.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR apz.dk. dig apz.dk ;; ANSWER SECTION: apz.dk. 3600IN A 86.58.131.227 I am not sure if that's the expected result. olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: open multiple xterms with script
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:07:47 +0200, Aggelidis Nikos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi to all the list,
i need some help... Is it possible to open four consoles as
root(authenticate yourself once), in each one run a specific program
and do this through a script? {bash or python).
i want to open 4 xterms in the four corners of the screen. In 3 xterms
i want to run specific applications needing root privileges and the
last i want it for administrative purposes.
what i have so far:
sudo xterm -e path/to/application1
sudo xterm -e path/to/application2
sudo xterm -e path/to/application3
sudo xterm
But this approach has the following problems:
1) i have only managed to get it to work as sudo not su
2) i haven't managed to position the 4 terminals correctly
in the 4 corners of the screen
Maybe this is a solution for you (or at least a point to start):
#!/bin/sh
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 1 -e su root -c app1
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 2 -e su root -c app2
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 3 -e su root -c app3
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 4 -e su root -c app4
The -geometry is set as ROWSxCOLS+X+Y, e. g. 80x25+0+0 for
the upper left corner. See man xterm for further options as
you could need them.
3) i want to be able to close and restart a single terminal.without
running again the whole script (this i am not sure if it is even
doable). For example if one of the applications hungs, then i want to
be able to restart this application, without running the whole script
again.
You could create a wrapper script that calls four scripts which
only start one of the four applications each.
~/bin/run_1:
#!/bin/sh
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 1 -e su root -c app1
~/bin/run_2:
#!/bin/sh
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 2 -e su root -c app2
~/bin/run_3:
#!/bin/sh
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 3 -e su root -c app3
~/bin/run_4:
#!/bin/sh
xterm -geometry blahblah -title App 4 -e su root -c app4
~/bin/run_all:
#!/bin/sh
~/bin/run_1
~/bin/run_2
~/bin/run_3
~/bin/run_4
Not very elegant and tidy, but should work. You could add some
checking to the first script mentioned so it gets a clue which
application is *not* running and restart it when called, not
starting those that are running again (second session).
--
Polytropon
From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
If motherboad is Supermicro X7SBE XEON 3000 with 2 Quad core processors Intel Harpertown E 5405 2.0Ghz 12M cache 1333FSB and 4 x 4Gb memory, what distribution of FreeBSD 7.0 applies: i386 or ia64 ? Why are the ISO's so different in size between i386 and ia64 (i386: disc1,2,3: 534, 728, 368Gb; ia64: 449Gb, 0,372 Gb, 0,372 Gb) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS partitioning
ad0a (/), ad0b (swap), ad0d (/var) etc... correct or not (then what)? You're mixing terminology here. :-) The use entire disk will create a slice for FreeBSD covering the complete disk. A slice is what MICROS~1 calls primary partition. Now the conclusion: Let's say you create a slice on ad0, it will be ad0s1. Now you can create partitions inside this slice as you by not using sysinstall (simple manual install) there is no need to create slices at all just disklabel works fine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Introduction
I don't know why, but it looks like I never crossed paths with FreeBSD. Only recently, I took a peek in the apparently well-written documentation. Now I have some spare time and also a spare machine (a Fujitsu Lifebook), and I thought I'd give FreeBSD a spin, just out of mere curiosity. unfortunately i was too unaware of *BSD systems and used linux, until it got so unusable with time i started to actively seek something else. Moved to NetBSD, then to FreeBSD ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sshit runs out of semaphores
Hiya I recently started (trying) to use sshit to filter the many brute force sshd attacks. However, it has never worked on my box. FreeBSD 7.0 p1. This morning it would only give a message (without exiting) Could not create semaphore set: No space left on device at /usr/local/sbin/sshit line 322 Every time it gets stopped by CTRL-C it leaves the shared memory behind, allocated. I am going to reboot later and double the number of semaphores (in loader.conf). I am running hobbit which uses 8, leaving only 2 free. This may solve this issue, but I'd appreciate any ideas and experienced advice. A side issue is that sshit will only filter rapid fire attacks, but I am also seeing 'slow fire' attacks, where an IP is repeated every 2 or 3 hours, but there seem to be a network of attackers because the name sequence is kept up across many incoming IP's. Is there any script for countering these attacks? If not I'll write one I think. -- DA Fo rsythNetwork Supervisor Principal Technical Officer -- Institute for Water Research http://www.ru.ac.za/institutes/iwr/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem configuring X: FreeBSD 6.4, Intel video card, Fujitsu lifebook
On 12/2/08, Niki Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just installed FreeBSD 6.4 on a Fujitsu lifebook. I'm quite new to FreeBSD (see previous post Introduction). Some time ago, I had bought (and partially read) Michael Urban's FreeBSD 6 Unleashed. I just worked through the initial chapters, and managed installing FreeBSD and configuring X just fine. Only I ran into trouble installing a desktop environment, since building gnome2-lite failed. I thought before doing anything, I'd get a more recent set of FreeBSD install discs, since the book includes 6.1, which seems a bit outdated. Now I did an install using a set of 6.4 install discs. Everything ran fine, except I can't get X to work anymore. Configuration: # Xorg -configure # mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf And then test: # startx X crashes with the following error message: Fatal server error: Couldn't find PLL settings for mode! I googled about this and found a few results... on the Ubuntu 8.10 bugtracker. Apparently the 'intel' video driver has some problems with my specific Intel video card. What now? Try to use the older 'i810' instead of 'intel'? But how would I do that? Simply replacing the corresponding Driver line in xorg.conf doesn't help. Because xf86-video-i810 conflicts with xf86-video-intel and for xf86-video-intel 'i810' is alias for 'intel' in xorg.conf. To really test 'i810' driver you should deinstall xf86-video-intel and install xf86-video-i810. -- Paul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
2008/12/2 Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Ebbe Hjorth wrote: Hi, All new XEON cpus are 64-bit spo use the 64 bit freebsd version. So this would point to ia64 distribution? But clicking op www.freebsd.com/where.html - Hardware notes/View tells for ia64: Currently supported processors are Itanium and Itanium2 There nothing about Intel XEON ?? I never googled it before, but 2 sec gave me http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/hardware.html#PROC-AMD64 So use the amd64 ;) 368 vs 372 is that the 64 bit is compiled for 64 bit, and uses a little more space. what is 368 vs 372 ?? The size difference you talked about (368 vs 0.372) / Ebbe 2008/12/2 Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] If motherboad is Supermicro X7SBE XEON 3000 with 2 Quad core processors Intel Harpertown E 5405 2.0Ghz 12M cache 1333FSB and 4 x 4Gb memory, what distribution of FreeBSD 7.0 applies: i386 or ia64 ? Why are the ISO's so different in size between i386 and ia64 (i386: disc1,2,3: 534, 728, 368Gb; ia64: 449Gb, 0,372 Gb, 0,372 Gb) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sshit runs out of semaphores
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DA Forsyth wrote: Hiya I recently started (trying) to use sshit to filter the many brute force sshd attacks. However, it has never worked on my box. FreeBSD 7.0 p1. This morning it would only give a message (without exiting) Could not create semaphore set: No space left on device at /usr/local/sbin/sshit line 322 Every time it gets stopped by CTRL-C it leaves the shared memory behind, allocated. I am going to reboot later and double the number of semaphores (in loader.conf). I am running hobbit which uses 8, leaving only 2 free. This may solve this issue, but I'd appreciate any ideas and experienced advice. A side issue is that sshit will only filter rapid fire attacks, but I am also seeing 'slow fire' attacks, where an IP is repeated every 2 or 3 hours, but there seem to be a network of attackers because the name sequence is kept up across many incoming IP's. Is there any script for countering these attacks? If not I'll write one I think. -- DA Fo rsythNetwork Supervisor Principal Technical Officer -- Institute for Water Research http://www.ru.ac.za/institutes/iwr/ Hi DA, I previously used sshit to defend against SSH brute-force attacks but never saw the semaphore problem that you reported. However, I recently switched to sshguard for other reasons, and it has worked well for defending against both high-speed and slow-speed attacks. You can get more information here: http://sshguard.sourceforge.net/ http://www.freshports.org/security/sshguard-ipfw/ Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJNTdC0sRouByUApARAt/uAKCkRzJ7f67aKhBxQNRrI9gI7eRu3QCeL+tA 2hG4DfmVSHFgOO+GvUiNniM= =oAa+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sshit runs out of semaphores
In response to DA Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hiya I recently started (trying) to use sshit to filter the many brute force sshd attacks. However, it has never worked on my box. FreeBSD 7.0 p1. This morning it would only give a message (without exiting) Could not create semaphore set: No space left on device at /usr/local/sbin/sshit line 322 Every time it gets stopped by CTRL-C it leaves the shared memory behind, allocated. Have a look at ipcs and ipcrm, which will save you the reboots. A side issue is that sshit will only filter rapid fire attacks, but I am also seeing 'slow fire' attacks, where an IP is repeated every 2 or 3 hours, but there seem to be a network of attackers because the name sequence is kept up across many incoming IP's. Is there any script for countering these attacks? If not I'll write one I think. My approach: http://www.potentialtech.com/cms/node/16 -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uninstalling kde3 meta-port
can try `pkg_delete -a` On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Leslie Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi How would you guys uninstall a meta-port? I'm considering a move to kde4 but I want a clean install, so I want to remove the kde3 meta-port first. Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem configuring X: FreeBSD 6.4, Intel video card, Fujitsu lifebook
Hi, I just installed FreeBSD 6.4 on a Fujitsu lifebook. I'm quite new to FreeBSD (see previous post Introduction). Some time ago, I had bought (and partially read) Michael Urban's FreeBSD 6 Unleashed. I just worked through the initial chapters, and managed installing FreeBSD and configuring X just fine. Only I ran into trouble installing a desktop environment, since building gnome2-lite failed. I thought before doing anything, I'd get a more recent set of FreeBSD install discs, since the book includes 6.1, which seems a bit outdated. Now I did an install using a set of 6.4 install discs. Everything ran fine, except I can't get X to work anymore. Configuration: # Xorg -configure # mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf And then test: # startx X crashes with the following error message: Fatal server error: Couldn't find PLL settings for mode! I googled about this and found a few results... on the Ubuntu 8.10 bugtracker. Apparently the 'intel' video driver has some problems with my specific Intel video card. What now? Try to use the older 'i810' instead of 'intel'? But how would I do that? Simply replacing the corresponding Driver line in xorg.conf doesn't help. Any suggestions? Niki Kovacs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
Hi, All new XEON cpus are 64-bit spo use the 64 bit freebsd version. 368 vs 372 is that the 64 bit is compiled for 64 bit, and uses a little more space. / Ebbe 2008/12/2 Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] If motherboad is Supermicro X7SBE XEON 3000 with 2 Quad core processors Intel Harpertown E 5405 2.0Ghz 12M cache 1333FSB and 4 x 4Gb memory, what distribution of FreeBSD 7.0 applies: i386 or ia64 ? Why are the ISO's so different in size between i386 and ia64 (i386: disc1,2,3: 534, 728, 368Gb; ia64: 449Gb, 0,372 Gb, 0,372 Gb) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why process memory starts so high up in virtual space with FreeBSD malloc?
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:57:23 -0800, Yuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: The FreeBSD malloc(3) implementation can use either mmap() or sbrk() to obtain memory from the system. It does not 'waste a high percentage of memory' but it simply maps only high addresses (with an unmapped 'hole' in lower addresses). But the hole it leaves with MALLOC_OPTIONS='dM' is way larger than the one left by 'Dm' option. Usually malloc will keep allocating addresses higher than this initial value and will never come back and fill some parts of this gap. Therefore wasting this space. The 'D' and 'M' options set what malloc() will _prefer_, they do not force malloc() to use _only_ the particular type of memory space. As Dan explained in another post, both memory types will be used if there is need for more address space. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem configuring X: FreeBSD 6.4, Intel video card, Fujitsu lifebook
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 12:33:52 Niki Kovacs wrote: Hi, I just installed FreeBSD 6.4 on a Fujitsu lifebook. I'm quite new to FreeBSD (see previous post Introduction). Some time ago, I had bought (and partially read) Michael Urban's FreeBSD 6 Unleashed. I just worked through the initial chapters, and managed installing FreeBSD and configuring X just fine. Only I ran into trouble installing a desktop environment, since building gnome2-lite failed. I thought before doing anything, I'd get a more recent set of FreeBSD install discs, since the book includes 6.1, which seems a bit outdated. Now I did an install using a set of 6.4 install discs. Everything ran fine, except I can't get X to work anymore. Configuration: # Xorg -configure # mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf And then test: # startx X crashes with the following error message: Fatal server error: Couldn't find PLL settings for mode! I googled about this and found a few results... on the Ubuntu 8.10 bugtracker. Apparently the 'intel' video driver has some problems with my specific Intel video card. What now? Try to use the older 'i810' instead of 'intel'? But how would I do that? Simply replacing the corresponding Driver line in xorg.conf doesn't help. How doesn't it help? Is the driver loaded or not? Any relevant info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Ebbe Hjorth wrote: 2008/12/2 Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Ebbe Hjorth wrote: Hi, All new XEON cpus are 64-bit spo use the 64 bit freebsd version. I never googled it before, but 2 sec gave me http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/hardware.html#PROC-AMD64 So use the amd64 ;) Is the amd64 distribution mature enough, as compared to the i386? Aren't there any problems to be expected to arrive, months after initial install and way in the production usage ?? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uninstalling kde3 meta-port
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:38:02 +0100 Leslie Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you guys uninstall a meta-port? I'm considering a move to kde4 but I want a clean install, so I want to remove the kde3 meta-port first. Well, you might try navigating to the kde3 port /usr/ports/x11/kde3 and running: make deinstall. Alternately, you could try running something like 'pkg_delete'; i.e.: pkg_delete -vdf kde-3.5.10. -- Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
So use the amd64 ;) Is the amd64 distribution mature enough, as compared to the i386? yes Aren't there any problems to be expected to arrive, months after initial install and way in the production usage ?? no. the only reason that people use FreeBSD/i386 on 64-bit processors is that some binary-only drivers are only availaboe for i386. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
open multiple xterms with script
hi to all the list,
i need some help... Is it possible to open four consoles as
root(authenticate yourself once), in each one run a specific program
and do this through a script? {bash or python).
i want to open 4 xterms in the four corners of the screen. In 3 xterms
i want to run specific applications needing root privileges and the
last i want it for administrative purposes.
what i have so far:
sudo xterm -e path/to/application1
sudo xterm -e path/to/application2
sudo xterm -e path/to/application3
sudo xterm
But this approach has the following problems:
1) i have only managed to get it to work as sudo not su
2) i haven't managed to position the 4 terminals correctly
in the 4 corners of the screen
3) i want to be able to close and restart a single terminal.without
running again the whole script (this i am not sure if it is even
doable). For example if one of the applications hungs, then i want to
be able to restart this application, without running the whole script
again.
thanks in advance for your help,
nicolas
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote: the only reason that people use FreeBSD/i386 on 64-bit processors is that some binary-only drivers are only availaboe for i386. what kind of drivers would be missing for the amd64 distribution ??? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
stand-alone GTK2 wlan config tool?
Hello list, Are there any stand-alone, GTK2, wlan config apps out there (basic stuff, like viewing available networks, setting wpa key, connecting, etc.)? I'm using xfce, and the wlan plugin thingie can only show the signal strength, assuming i'm already connected. Thanks. -- Regards, Ghirai. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
What about DragonFlyBSD's new HAMMER FS? I hear it has similar capabilities as ZFS without the overhead. Though, strangely, I haven't really heard anyone discuss it even though it was released some months ago. it's maybe pre-pre-prerelease. it's not finished yet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
If motherboad is Supermicro X7SBE XEON 3000 with 2 Quad core processors Intel Harpertown E 5405 2.0Ghz 12M cache 1333FSB and 4 x 4Gb memory, what distribution of FreeBSD 7.0 applies: i386 or ia64 ? Why are the ISO's so different in size between i386 and ia64 (i386: disc1,2,3: 534, 728, 368Gb; ia64: 449Gb, 0,372 Gb, 0,372 Gb) ia64 is itanium. you need amd64. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Introduction
Hi, I'm an Austrian sysadmin living in Montpezat (South France), and a 100% GNU/Linux user since 2001. I've started with Slackware (7.1, I think) on a battered 486, hopped distros for some time, used Mandriva, Debian and then Slackware again for a few years. In the last two years or so, I've been mainly using a mix of CentOS (a Red Hat Enterprise Linux clone) and Fedora. I've been working as a writer for the french magazine Linux Pratique since 2004. For the last two years, my job consisted primarily in networking a series of small public libraries in eleven small towns around here, using 100% open source software. I don't know why, but it looks like I never crossed paths with FreeBSD. Only recently, I took a peek in the apparently well-written documentation. Now I have some spare time and also a spare machine (a Fujitsu Lifebook), and I thought I'd give FreeBSD a spin, just out of mere curiosity. Cheers from the sunny South of France, Niki Kovacs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
the only reason that people use FreeBSD/i386 on 64-bit processors is that some binary-only drivers are only availaboe for i386. what kind of drivers would be missing for the amd64 distribution ??? Nvidia!!! Regards, Johan Hendriks No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 2-12-2008 9:31 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
2008/12/2 Nathan Lay [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What about DragonFlyBSD's new HAMMER FS? I hear it has similar capabilities as ZFS without the overhead. Though, strangely, I haven't really heard anyone discuss it even though it was released some months ago. Well, that's because it doesn't :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If one has a system with 7 500Gb SATA disks in a hardware RAID6 (Areca Raid Controller), then (according to mail J.Chadwick 7 Nov 2008) they will show up as da (following naming convention for scsi disks although they are not). RAID6 will allow about 2,5 Tb for the 'user' (roughly 1 Tb will be consumed by the parity information of RAID6). How will this 2,5 Tb space present itself at the time of initial install of FreeBSD? Will this be a single 'disk' ad0 ? .. correct or not (then what)? If FreeBSD is to put on the system as only operating system (Fdisk: A = Use Entire disk), then will the BSD-partitions will show up as ad0a (/), ad0b (swap), ad0d (/var) etc... correct or not (then what)? Page 427 of the FreeBSD handbook states that due to the use of 32-bit integers to store the number of sectors is limited to 2^32 -1 sectors/disk = 2 TB. A layout could be a / 1Gb, b swap, d /root 20 Gb, (a /root partition is from an example of someone who claims that at boot FreeBSD checks the partions in background except for the / partition, by keeping / as small as possible, the time to boot can be mimimized .. correct? but will /root ever be something big ??) e /tmp 20 Gb, f /var 20 Gb, g /usr 20 Gb this leaves 2420 Gb which is more than 2 Tb, so you can't put all that in 1 filesystem h /home, you will need to split that in 2 BSD-paritions, but since you can't have more that 8 BSD-partitions (highest BSD-partition letter is h), you need to give up at least one of d, e, f, g. ... correct or not (then what)? What is the best scheme of BSD-partitioning in this case? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nvidia (Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution)
Johan Hendriks wrote: the only reason that people use FreeBSD/i386 on 64-bit processors is that some binary-only drivers are only availaboe for i386. what kind of drivers would be missing for the amd64 distribution ??? Nvidia!!! I am one ot these folks, using 32-bit FreeBSD on my desktop, just because of Nvidia drivers. Wanted to ask, maybe somebody here knows, is there any hope to expect 64 bit Nvidia drivers in some reasonable future? What is the problem with Nvidia? Why they do not provide 64 bit drivers? Regards, O.K. -- Testi oma Interneti kiirust / Test Your Internet speed: http://speedtest.zzz.ee/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 09:04:56 Beech Rintoul wrote: On Monday 01 December 2008 21:43:08 Javier Vasquez wrote: On 12/2/08, Javier Vasquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was reading chapter 4 of the handbook, as well as chapters 24 and 26... If I got it clear, I pretty much might get the base system updated by using freebsd-update script. Ports collection can get updated with portsnap, but that doesn't update neither the installed ports, nor the installed packages. To upgrade the installed ports, portmanager or portmaster or portupgrade can be used... However only portupgrade can be used to upgrade packages, right? Not sure about the others, I use portupgrade myself. But yes, you can update packages with portupgrade. Now, can something like portupgrade -a -PP to upgrade all packages without building a thing (might be that some don't get updated due to the lack of binary package yet, and in such case would dependencies be managed right)? Not sure what you mean by managed, but if there's no package there would be no dependent ports downloaded. If you do a portupgrade -aP (single P) it will go look for a package then compile it if it's not available. Compiling really isn't that bad even on an 800MHz box. Portupgrade -PP is detrimental for bandwidth. It's not really portupgrade's fault (well, partially, it shouldn't offer the feature), because it will quite often download Latest/foo.tbz, unpack it entirely and then say oops, I downloaded this useless package which is older or equal to what you have installed. When i started writing my own tools I quickly realized that the buildserver needs an index of the /packages/ it has. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD cannot power down
Hi all After a kernel recompilation on i386 RELENG_7 (not the latest), I cannot power down the machine. kldstat shows acpi.ko is loaded. It used to switch off but now the shutdown -p now halts the system with following messages: The operating system has halted. Please press any key to reboot. What else could I check to identify the cause? Appreciate your ideas on this. Kind regards Unga ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nvidia (Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution)
=?windows-1250?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= writes: I am one ot these folks, using 32-bit FreeBSD on my desktop, just because of Nvidia drivers. Wanted to ask, maybe somebody here knows, is there any hope to expect 64 bit Nvidia drivers in some reasonable future? What is the problem with Nvidia? Why they do not provide 64 bit drivers? For the same reason they don't provide up-to-date i386 drivers. This is a recurring thread; please search the mailing list archives. (Hint: try Zander nvidia as a search term.) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia (Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution)
Nvidia drivers. Wanted to ask, maybe somebody here knows, is there any hope to expect 64 bit Nvidia drivers in some reasonable future? What is the problem with Nvidia? Why they do not provide 64 bit drivers? because there are not enough pressure from clients? (by not buying them) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS partitioning
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Polytropon wrote: ad0 |---| the whole disk ad0s1 \--/ one slice ad0s1X \--/\---/\-/\-/\---/\/ partitions a b d e f g / swap /tmp /var/usr /home mount point OK this is clear.. a / 1Gb, b swap, d /root 20 Gb, (a /root partition is from an example of someone who claims that at boot FreeBSD checks the partions in background except for the / partition, by keeping / as small as possible, the time to boot can be mimimized .. correct? but will /root ever be something big ??) No no, / refers to the root partition. One way of setting up partitions is just to have one partition (one root parttion) and put everything on it, including /tmp, /var, /usr and /home. I know / is the root partition, but /root is the home-directory of the user root (/etc/passwd: root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh). I doubt this will ever be needed to be large? If its not large fsck neither will spend much time in it. So I guess it's just safe not to make this a separate BSD-partiton ? Another philosophy is to create partitions designated to their further use, just as I mentioned it above. Yes, but it's hard to find out what is best... I'm constantly swinged between the one (/ including /tmp /var /usr) and the other (all separate) option ... this leaves 2420 Gb which is more than 2 Tb, so you can't put all that in 1 filesystem h /home, you will need to split that in 2 BSD-paritions, but since you can't have more that 8 BSD-partitions (highest BSD-partition letter is h), you need to give up at least one of d, e, f, g. ... correct or not (then what)? I quite doubt that FreeBSD's UFS 2 cannot handle a 2 TB partition as a whole, but because I don't have sch large disks with UFS (I have ZFS for them), I cannot tell. Anyone else can tell? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with permissions and vi
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 10:32:48 Adam Zaleski wrote: Hello, I have a problem setting up some permissions to file and editing this file with vi.. I have two different examples to show you what I mean... First one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo some text some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ chmod 000 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l some_file.txt -- 1 netlest staff 10 2 gru 09:55 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo some other text some_file.txt -bash: some_file.txt: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cat some_file.txt cat: some_file.txt: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ chmod 600 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cat some_file.txt some text [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ Everythink was ok... And now.. another one [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo some text some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ chmod 000 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l some_file.txt -- 1 netlest staff 10 2 gru 09:55 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ vi some_file.txt Now ignore warnings with permission denied showing in vim.. and put some text into the some_file.txt and then :wq! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l some_file.txt -- 1 netlest staff 33 2 gru 10:23 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ cat some_file.txt cat: some_file.txt: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ chmod 600 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ cat some_file.txt aasda sd a some texs asdas d as [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ Why I am able to put some text into some_file.txt with chmod 000 using vi editor and why i can not do the same using echo??? Because you have write access on the directory and :wq with an exclamation mark !, forces the write, which in actuality removes the file and writes the editor contents to a new file, then restores permissions. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Ebbe Hjorth wrote: Hi, All new XEON cpus are 64-bit spo use the 64 bit freebsd version. So this would point to ia64 distribution? But clicking op www.freebsd.com/where.html - Hardware notes/View tells for ia64: Currently supported processors are Itanium and Itanium2 There nothing about Intel XEON ?? 368 vs 372 is that the 64 bit is compiled for 64 bit, and uses a little more space. what is 368 vs 372 ?? / Ebbe 2008/12/2 Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] If motherboad is Supermicro X7SBE XEON 3000 with 2 Quad core processors Intel Harpertown E 5405 2.0Ghz 12M cache 1333FSB and 4 x 4Gb memory, what distribution of FreeBSD 7.0 applies: i386 or ia64 ? Why are the ISO's so different in size between i386 and ia64 (i386: disc1,2,3: 534, 728, 368Gb; ia64: 449Gb, 0,372 Gb, 0,372 Gb) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Nvidia (Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution)
Nvidia drivers. Wanted to ask, maybe somebody here knows, is there any hope to expect 64 bit Nvidia drivers in some reasonable future? What is the problem with Nvidia? Why they do not provide 64 bit drivers? because there are not enough pressure from clients? (by not buying them) They missing some things in the kernel of FreeBSD so it has nothing to do with nvidia not willing it is FreeBSD who lacks support in the kernel for a 64bit NVIDIA driver. But like said before there are numoures threads about this. Regards, Johan Hendriks No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 2-12-2008 9:31 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS partitioning
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:56:44 +0100 (CET), Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FreeBSD is to put on the system as only operating system (Fdisk: A = Use Entire disk), then will the BSD-partitions will show up as ad0a (/), ad0b (swap), ad0d (/var) etc... correct or not (then what)? You're mixing terminology here. :-) The use entire disk will create a slice for FreeBSD covering the complete disk. A slice is what MICROS~1 calls primary partition. Now the conclusion: Let's say you create a slice on ad0, it will be ad0s1. Now you can create partitions inside this slice as you mentioned it, e. g. ad0s1a = /, ad0s1b = swap, ad0s1d = /tmp, ad0s1e = /var, ad0s1f = /usr and ad0s1g = /home. But if you're refering to ad0a, ad0b, ad0d etc. you're stating that there's no slice, implying that (if I see this correctly) it isn't possible to boot from that disk. Of couse, if you would intend to use a (physical) second disk for only the home partition, you could omit the slice and the partition and simply newfs ad1 - but that wasn't your question. ad0 |---| the whole disk ad0s1 \--/ one slice ad0s1X \--/\---/\-/\-/\---/\/ partitions a b d e f g / swap /tmp /var/usr /home mount point In case of dual booting, you usually have more than one slice on your disk, but what happens inside the FreeBSD slice is mostly the same. Page 427 of the FreeBSD handbook states that due to the use of 32-bit integers to store the number of sectors is limited to 2^32 -1 sectors/disk = 2 TB. A layout could be a / 1Gb, b swap, d /root 20 Gb, (a /root partition is from an example of someone who claims that at boot FreeBSD checks the partions in background except for the / partition, by keeping / as small as possible, the time to boot can be mimimized .. correct? but will /root ever be something big ??) No no, / refers to the root partition. One way of setting up püartitions is just to have one partition (one root parttion) and put everything on it, including /tmp, /var, /usr and /home. Another philosophy is to create partitions designated to their further use, just as I mentioned it above. For /, you would hardly need more than 1 GB. It just contains the kernel, basal system binaries, the configuration files and the directories that are mount points for all the other file systems. Even a 256 MB / partition should be enoung. e /tmp 20 Gb, f /var 20 Gb, g /usr 20 Gb this leaves 2420 Gb which is more than 2 Tb, so you can't put all that in 1 filesystem h /home, you will need to split that in 2 BSD-paritions, but since you can't have more that 8 BSD-partitions (highest BSD-partition letter is h), you need to give up at least one of d, e, f, g. ... correct or not (then what)? I quite doubt that FreeBSD's UFS 2 cannot handle a 2 TB partition as a whole, but because I don't have sch large disks with UFS (I have ZFS for them), I cannot tell. PS. Corrected subject (was missing). -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Johan Hendriks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only reason that people use FreeBSD/i386 on 64-bit processors is that some binary-only drivers are only availaboe for i386. what kind of drivers would be missing for the amd64 distribution ??? Nvidia!!! No Nvidia on that particular motherboard so the OP is on the safe side. @OP: I have just installed FBSD amd 64 2 weeks ago to benefit of +4 GB of RAM and until now i didn't have any kind of problem in compiling and running applications. My box is a web/mail/vpn/router/samba (yes i know there shouldn't be that many services on the box, but tell my boss that) and all the apps are working like a charm. v Regards, Johan Hendriks No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1824 - Release Date: 2-12-2008 9:31 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uninstalling kde3 meta-port
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 08:38:02 Leslie Jensen wrote:
How would you guys uninstall a meta-port?
I'm considering a move to kde4 but I want a clean install, so I want to
remove the kde3 meta-port first.
cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3
for dep in `make -V RUN_DEPENDS`; do
origin=${dep##*:};
portname=`make -C ${origin} -V PORTNAME`;
pkg_delete -Xf ^${portname}-[0-9\.,_]+\$;
done
cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves
make install
pkg_cutleaves -xg
Delete all leaves you are sure you don't need anymore, till no leaves are
left.
--
Mel
Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
and never get to the software part.
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Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
My box is a web/mail/vpn/router/samba (yes i know there shouldn't be that many services on the box, but tell my boss that) and all the apps are working like a charm. his money his problem. overspending on hardware it's quite common, instead of paying more employees with the same money. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with permissions and vi
Hello, I have a problem setting up some permissions to file and editing this file with vi.. I have two different examples to show you what I mean... First one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo some text some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ chmod 000 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l some_file.txt -- 1 netlest staff 10 2 gru 09:55 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo some other text some_file.txt -bash: some_file.txt: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cat some_file.txt cat: some_file.txt: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ chmod 600 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cat some_file.txt some text [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ Everythink was ok... And now.. another one [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo some text some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ chmod 000 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l some_file.txt -- 1 netlest staff 10 2 gru 09:55 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ vi some_file.txt Now ignore warnings with permission denied showing in vim.. and put some text into the some_file.txt and then :wq! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l some_file.txt -- 1 netlest staff 33 2 gru 10:23 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ cat some_file.txt cat: some_file.txt: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ chmod 600 some_file.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ cat some_file.txt aasda sd a some texs asdas d as [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/t]$ Why I am able to put some text into some_file.txt with chmod 000 using vi editor and why i can not do the same using echo??? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uninstalling kde3 meta-port
Jerry skrev: On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:38:02 +0100 Leslie Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you guys uninstall a meta-port? I'm considering a move to kde4 but I want a clean install, so I want to remove the kde3 meta-port first. Well, you might try navigating to the kde3 port /usr/ports/x11/kde3 and running: make deinstall. Alternately, you could try running something like 'pkg_delete'; i.e.: pkg_delete -vdf kde-3.5.10. Well, I tried your first suggestion before I posted, and it only removes the meta-port but none of the ports it has installed. The second suggestion I have not tried because I want it to do a recursive deinstall without touching any ports that are dependencies of other installed ports. Maybe it is as simple as pkg_delete -r, but because I saw what happend when deinstaling the meta-port I felt I needed to ask to be sure. I could ofcourse deinstall kde, kdebase, kdehier and so forth but I'm looking for a smarter way to do it. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount problem after enabling serial console
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 08:52:58 Ji wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 02 December 2008 07:41:17 Ji wrote: Hi all, ... atapci0: Intel ICH9 SATA300 controller port 0xbc30-0xbc37,0xbc28-0xbc2b,0xbc38-0xbc3f,0xbc2c-0xbc2f,0xbc40-0xbc4f,0x bc5 0-0xbc5f irq 6 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci0: unable to map interrupt device_attach: atapci0 attach returned 6 There's your problem. Atapci0 can't get an interrupt, which is the ata controller that controls your disk. Thank you for your reply, Mel. There must be something wrong. What confused me is why the booting problem does not appear every time I reboot the computer and the serial console does work fine if it can boot. And I will really appreciate if you can specify my problem. Thanks a lot. I'm not sure. Your controller doesn't always get an interrupt, so could be the serial console and atapci bridge fight for it and who ever is first gets it. I would scoot this over to freebsd-hardware list and post a verbose boot without the serial console enabled and with. Also mention if your BIOS has an Enhanced or AHCI setting for the disk controllers and whether MSI interrupts are supported and enabled. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with permissions and vi
Why I am able to put some text into some_file.txt with chmod 000 using vi editor and why i can not do the same using echo??? I'm not exactly vi master or guru here but I think it's because you write vi with :wq! command. If you write tried to write some_file.txt with :w instead, vi would complaints cannot wrote blablabla and so on. I assumed you wanted to write-protect your file from unauthorised tempering attempt (either from you or other user) you can do that by changing ownership of the file to other user's, most popular probably to root's. I don't think vi can overwrite different owner's file unless permission flag's permit it. -- Regards, Anthony M. Rasat Manager - Technical, Network and Support Division PT. Jawa Pos National Network Graha Pena Jawa Pos Group Building, 5th floor Jln. Raya Kebayoran Lama 12, Jakarta Barat 12210 Indonesia.- Phone 02132185562 Phone 081574217035 Fax 02153651465 Web http://www.jpnn.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uninstalling kde3 meta-port
On Tue 2008-12-02 19:26:40 UTC+0530, Masoom Shaikh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How would you guys uninstall a meta-port? can try `pkg_delete -a` No Masoom, this is wrong advice. pkg_delete(1) manpage: -a, --all Unconditionally delete all currently installed packages. (Assuming you weren't trying to be funny) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On Tue 2008-12-02 00:41:58 UTC-0600, Javier Vasquez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was reading chapter 4 of the handbook, as well as chapters 24 and 26... If I got it clear, I pretty much might get the base system updated by using freebsd-update script. Ports collection can get updated with portsnap, but that doesn't update neither the intalled ports, nor the installed packages. To upgrade the installed ports, portmanager or portmaster or portupgrade can be used... However only portupgrade can be used to upgrade packages, right? Now, can something like portupgrade -a -PP to upgrade all packages without building a thing (might be that some don't get updated due to the lack of binary package yet, and in such case would dependencies be managed right)? Right. More into how things work, as ports and pacakages are not part of the base systems, are they somehow associated to a particular release (most probably not)? So that pretty much no matter the release, if packages and ports are kept up to date, they might be the same for all releases? There are downloadable packages that are regularly built from the latest ports tree. There are different packages available for different releases though (eg. 6.x vs 7.x, i386 vs amd64). The theory goes that you can use i386 packages built for (for example) 6.4 on a 6.3 system. Possibly all the way back to 6.0. If you're relying on prebuilt packages then ideally you should try to keep the base system updated where possible. I'm asking these questions since I'm evaluating moving to BSD, but I want to avoid compiling as much as possible since my box is 800MHz piii celeron with just 32KB of cache and 512MB of ram, and for it source based distributions have proven to be too much to handle, so my intention would be to live with binary packages and updates/upgrades only... Those specs should be fine if you're building small software such as Squid, Apache, Samba, etc. I build everything I need (http server + http cache + mail server + spam filter + more) from source using a 1 GHz Pentium III with 256 Mb (using portmaster). Firefox, GNOME or KDE would take a long time with 800 MHz. But I wouldn't really like to run those big apps at only 800 MHz either. There's no reason why you can't install the larger software from packages then just build the smaller stuff from source. With portupgrade -PP you're still going to have to keep your ports tree updated (I use portsnap) so it's not a lot of extra effort to build from source. Also if remaining under -STABLE, is all this possible? Kind of understood that openoffice.org can't be installed with pkg_add -r, so most probably if living under -STABLE automatic updates for openoffice.org won't show up... So this kinds of answers one previous question about the packages been independent from the base system release, it looks like they aren't... Not too sure what you're asking here, and I've never used -STABLE. Keep in mind though that you can't use freebsd-update if you're using -STABLE (AFAIK). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS partitioning
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Pieter Donche wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Polytropon wrote: ad0 |---| the whole disk ad0s1 \--/ one slice ad0s1X \--/\---/\-/\-/\---/\/ partitions a b d e f g / swap /tmp /var/usr /home mount point OK this is clear.. a / 1Gb, b swap, d /root 20 Gb, (a /root partition is from an example of someone who claims that at boot FreeBSD checks the partions in background except for the / partition, by keeping / as small as possible, the time to boot can be mimimized .. correct? but will /root ever be something big ??) No no, / refers to the root partition. One way of setting up partitions is just to have one partition (one root parttion) and put everything on it, including /tmp, /var, /usr and /home. I know / is the root partition, but /root is the home-directory of the user root (/etc/passwd: root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh). I doubt this will ever be needed to be large? If its not large fsck neither will spend much time in it. So I guess it's just safe not to make this a separate BSD-partiton ? You want to leave the /root directory in the root filesystem (partition eg ad0s1a or ad0a).Otherwise you could end up with your tail in a crack at just the wrong time. And, yes, don't put a lot of stuff in that /root directory. Another philosophy is to create partitions designated to their further use, just as I mentioned it above. Yes, but it's hard to find out what is best... I'm constantly swinged between the one (/ including /tmp /var /usr) and the other (all separate) option ... Depends a lot on how you use the system. Basically, you learn by experience of how that system is being used. That can change over time too and mean you want to shift your structure to something else - especially if you add more disk or start supporting some additional server service, etc. I generally suggest dividing into /, swap, /tmp, /usr, /var, /home in the beginning and then see how things go. Typically /var and /home are the ones that will grow, especially if you have a database which by default lives in /var and/or if you put home directories and web sites in /home which is what I suggest. As for ZFS issues, I don't know because I haven't had a place to play with it yet. Someday I will have a spare machine and extra disks... jerry this leaves 2420 Gb which is more than 2 Tb, so you can't put all that in 1 filesystem h /home, you will need to split that in 2 BSD-paritions, but since you can't have more that 8 BSD-partitions (highest BSD-partition letter is h), you need to give up at least one of d, e, f, g. ... correct or not (then what)? I quite doubt that FreeBSD's UFS 2 cannot handle a 2 TB partition as a whole, but because I don't have sch large disks with UFS (I have ZFS for them), I cannot tell. Anyone else can tell? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On Tue 2008-12-02 09:28:44 UTC+0100, Mel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Portupgrade -PP is detrimental for bandwidth. It's not really portupgrade's fault (well, partially, it shouldn't offer the feature), because it will quite often download Latest/foo.tbz, unpack it entirely and then say oops, I downloaded this useless package which is older or equal to what you have installed. Yes, this happens. -PP is not ideal for regular updates but it's still useful for when you have a new FreeBSD install with no packages installed, and want to get up and running quickly, grabbing the most recent binaries of all your favourite ports instead of building them all from source. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 17:13:58 andrew clarke wrote: On Tue 2008-12-02 09:28:44 UTC+0100, Mel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Portupgrade -PP is detrimental for bandwidth. It's not really portupgrade's fault (well, partially, it shouldn't offer the feature), because it will quite often download Latest/foo.tbz, unpack it entirely and then say oops, I downloaded this useless package which is older or equal to what you have installed. Yes, this happens. -PP is not ideal for regular updates but it's still useful for when you have a new FreeBSD install with no packages installed, and want to get up and running quickly, grabbing the most recent binaries of all your favourite ports instead of building them all from source. That's infinitely slower than pkg_add -r list of leaves. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (no subject)
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 10:56:44AM +0100, Pieter Donche wrote: If one has a system with 7 500Gb SATA disks in a hardware RAID6 (Areca Raid Controller), then (according to mail J.Chadwick 7 Nov 2008) they will show up as da (following naming convention for scsi disks although they are not). RAID6 will allow about 2,5 Tb for the 'user' (roughly 1 Tb will be consumed by the parity information of RAID6). How will this 2,5 Tb space present itself at the time of initial install of FreeBSD? Will this be a single 'disk' ad0 ? .. correct or not (then what)? It will start out looking like a single large disk /dev/da0. If FreeBSD is to put on the system as only operating system (Fdisk: A = Use Entire disk), then will the BSD-partitions will show up as ad0a (/), ad0b (swap), ad0d (/var) etc... correct or not (then what)? Page 427 of the FreeBSD handbook states that due to the use of 32-bit integers to store the number of sectors is limited to 2^32 -1 sectors/disk = 2 TB. A layout could be a / 1Gb, b swap, d /root 20 Gb, (a /root partition is from an example of someone who claims that at boot FreeBSD checks the partions in background except for the / partition, by keeping / as small as possible, the time to boot can be mimimized .. correct? but will /root ever be something big ??) No, it will not.Do not make /root a separate partition/filesystem. Leave it in / e /tmp 20 Gb, f /var 20 Gb, g /usr 20 Gb this leaves 2420 Gb which is more than 2 Tb, so you can't put all that in 1 filesystem h /home, you will need to split that in 2 BSD-paritions, but since you can't have more that 8 BSD-partitions (highest BSD-partition letter is h), you need to give up at least one of d, e, f, g. ... correct or not (then what)? If you really need this much disk, there must be a reason. What do you intend to put in it? My suggestion would be to put a lot more in /var because that is where data base utilities default to putting their data. Then you can reduce the amount left over to what would fit in /home. So, a:1 GB/ b:4 GBswap d:7 GB/tmp e: 20 GB/usrports can just be left here then f: 1024 GB/vardatabases live here g: remainder /home (Approximately 1536 GB) You can shift this around as you need. Maybe 2048 GB /home and 512 GB /var jerry What is the best scheme of BSD-partitioning in this case? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:25:24PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin While I agree that, without some kind of supporting argument, the statement that Linux systems are low end Unix replacements are kind of spurious sounding, I don't think that market share is really an effective metric for determination of the quality of a replacement for a given class of OS. I believe that he forgot to reference this article from ServerWatch. This shows more than a marginal increase in market share. It suggests that Sun and others have good reason to be nervous about their future prospects, and need to find new ways to make money. http://www.serverwatch.com/eur/article.php/3787586 Market share is still not an effective metric for determination of the quality of a replacement for a given class of OS. Your statements and the article to which you linked in no way contradict what I said. Even though the article whose URL you provided does talk about Linux suitability for certain tasks traditionally handled by commercial UNIX systems, market share itself is not a very effective metric except, perhaps, by accident -- because growing market share can indicate any of a number of different potential causes. On the other hand, both Unix and Linux have a long way to go before they can match Microsoft's ease of use on the GUI. I believe the best way to attack that problem is to find a new paradigm to replace the desktop, which is not a great interface model to begin with. I guess that depends on your definition of ease of use. In my little world, ease of use involves the ease, efficiency, and speed of task completion via an interface with which I'm familiar. It seems from what you said that in your little world ease of use means familiarity, since that's really the major win for MS Windows interfaces, to the majority of its users. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Friedrich Nietzche: Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity. pgpKqmFGb4VEh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:39:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: unix is not windows replacements. all of these GUI overlays for which that much noise is heard are not just overlays, but are poorly designed even more poorly than windows. Windows is poorly designed too but at least it's somehow complete. What are you -- a troll? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: Perl is, in intent, a cleaned up and summarized version of that wonderful semi-natural language known as 'Unix'. pgpnKFz2J6TBm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On Tue 2008-12-02 17:22:53 UTC+0100, Mel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Yes, this happens. -PP is not ideal for regular updates but it's still useful for when you have a new FreeBSD install with no packages installed, and want to get up and running quickly, grabbing the most recent binaries of all your favourite ports instead of building them all from source. That's infinitely slower than pkg_add -r list of leaves. Hmm. Yes. I'm trying to remember why I did not like pkg_add -r. On the other hand I may be imagining any preference I had towards portupgrade -PP. Sorry :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On 12/2/08, andrew clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 2008-12-02 00:41:58 UTC-0600, Javier Vasquez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was reading chapter 4 of the handbook, as well as chapters 24 and 26... If I got it clear, I pretty much might get the base system updated by using freebsd-update script. Ports collection can get updated with portsnap, but that doesn't update neither the intalled ports, nor the installed packages. To upgrade the installed ports, portmanager or portmaster or portupgrade can be used... However only portupgrade can be used to upgrade packages, right? Now, can something like portupgrade -a -PP to upgrade all packages without building a thing (might be that some don't get updated due to the lack of binary package yet, and in such case would dependencies be managed right)? Right. More into how things work, as ports and pacakages are not part of the base systems, are they somehow associated to a particular release (most probably not)? So that pretty much no matter the release, if packages and ports are kept up to date, they might be the same for all releases? There are downloadable packages that are regularly built from the latest ports tree. There are different packages available for different releases though (eg. 6.x vs 7.x, i386 vs amd64). The theory goes that you can use i386 packages built for (for example) 6.4 on a 6.3 system. Possibly all the way back to 6.0. If you're relying on prebuilt packages then ideally you should try to keep the base system updated where possible. I'm asking these questions since I'm evaluating moving to BSD, but I want to avoid compiling as much as possible since my box is 800MHz piii celeron with just 32KB of cache and 512MB of ram, and for it source based distributions have proven to be too much to handle, so my intention would be to live with binary packages and updates/upgrades only... Those specs should be fine if you're building small software such as Squid, Apache, Samba, etc. I build everything I need (http server + http cache + mail server + spam filter + more) from source using a 1 GHz Pentium III with 256 Mb (using portmaster). Firefox, GNOME or KDE would take a long time with 800 MHz. But I wouldn't really like to run those big apps at only 800 MHz either. There's no reason why you can't install the larger software from packages then just build the smaller stuff from source. With portupgrade -PP you're still going to have to keep your ports tree updated (I use portsnap) so it's not a lot of extra effort to build from source. Actually I don't run desktop managers, just plain fluxbox over X. And I use X mostly to browse the web. But any ways, I've run source based linux distributions in the past, and although it's fun, my box takes too much time to keep up with the rolling changes. So I've learned it's better to keep updating through binaries in this good old boxes... Also if remaining under -STABLE, is all this possible? Kind of understood that openoffice.org can't be installed with pkg_add -r, so most probably if living under -STABLE automatic updates for openoffice.org won't show up... So this kinds of answers one previous question about the packages been independent from the base system release, it looks like they aren't... Not too sure what you're asking here, and I've never used -STABLE. Keep in mind though that you can't use freebsd-update if you're using -STABLE (AFAIK). Ups, I didn't know that... so freebsd-update only works on -RELEASE's. I'm not sure that was explicit in the documentation, good to know, :) So the only way to live in -STABLE up to date is to keep the base system up to date through compilation... Thanks, -- Javier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS partitioning
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:17:40AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:56:44 +0100 (CET), Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FreeBSD is to put on the system as only operating system (Fdisk: A = Use Entire disk), then will the BSD-partitions will show up as ad0a (/), ad0b (swap), ad0d (/var) etc... correct or not (then what)? You're mixing terminology here. :-) The use entire disk will create a slice for FreeBSD covering the complete disk. A slice is what MICROS~1 calls primary partition. Now the conclusion: Let's say you create a slice on ad0, it will be ad0s1. Now you can create partitions inside this slice as you mentioned it, e. g. ad0s1a = /, ad0s1b = swap, ad0s1d = /tmp, ad0s1e = /var, ad0s1f = /usr and ad0s1g = /home. True. Too bad MS had to use the same terminology for slices as FreeBSD uses for subdivisions of slices. But, it won't be undone now, so the confusion will continue. But if you're refering to ad0a, ad0b, ad0d etc. you're stating that there's no slice, implying that (if I see this correctly) it isn't possible to boot from that disk. It is correct that this would imply no slice being created. But it is not correct that it could not be bootable. You can use bsdlabel to write the boot sector to ad0 instead of ad0s1 and it would be bootable - but would be what someone has enjoyed describing as a 'dangerously dedicated' disk. FreeBSD can deal with it, but other systems cannot. I don't know if you can do this from sysinstall though. I have never tried. But, it can be done by running bsdlabel by hand. Of couse, if you would intend to use a (physical) second disk for only the home partition, you could omit the slice and the partition and simply newfs ad1 - but that wasn't your question. Probably the 'dangerously dedicated' disk is more often used this way as an additional (second) drive that is not made bootable. In that case, it is unlikely that one would mount any of the partitions on '/' making it the root filesystem. That may be a problem. But, otherwise this looks probable or more likely it would have some swap to add to the first disk and all the rest in either the a or d partitions mounted as something like '/work' or /scratch'. ad0 |---| the whole disk ad0s1 \--/ one slice ad0s1X \--/\---/\-/\-/\---/\/ partitions a b d e f g / swap /tmp /var/usr /home mount point Have fun, jerry In case of dual booting, you usually have more than one slice on your disk, but what happens inside the FreeBSD slice is mostly the same. Page 427 of the FreeBSD handbook states that due to the use of 32-bit integers to store the number of sectors is limited to 2^32 -1 sectors/disk = 2 TB. A layout could be See my other message about this part. a / 1Gb, b swap, d /root 20 Gb, (a /root partition is from an example of someone who claims that at boot FreeBSD checks the partions in background except for the / partition, by keeping / as small as possible, the time to boot can be mimimized .. correct? but will /root ever be something big ??) No no, / refers to the root partition. One way of setting up püartitions is just to have one partition (one root parttion) and put everything on it, including /tmp, /var, /usr and /home. Another philosophy is to create partitions designated to their further use, just as I mentioned it above. For /, you would hardly need more than 1 GB. It just contains the kernel, basal system binaries, the configuration files and the directories that are mount points for all the other file systems. Even a 256 MB / partition should be enoung. e /tmp 20 Gb, f /var 20 Gb, g /usr 20 Gb this leaves 2420 Gb which is more than 2 Tb, so you can't put all that in 1 filesystem h /home, you will need to split that in 2 BSD-paritions, but since you can't have more that 8 BSD-partitions (highest BSD-partition letter is h), you need to give up at least one of d, e, f, g. ... correct or not (then what)? I quite doubt that FreeBSD's UFS 2 cannot handle a 2 TB partition as a whole, but because I don't have sch large disks with UFS (I have ZFS for them), I cannot tell. PS. Corrected subject (was missing). -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: To swap or not to swap
On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Anthony M. Rasat wrote: Fellas, I need opinions. Asus Eee PC, SSD storage, 512MB RAM, with GNOME and other desktop thingy (testing out of curiousity). Question is, swap or no swap? Remember, this is SSD, it is reasonable to have no swap. However, what if I wanted OpenOffice? This beast is memory hog AFAIK. Thanks for opinions. -- Anthony, SSD or no, I feel that you should treat it as you would any other hard disk. Plan for a swap space, albeit a smaller one than you would normally allocate perhaps. Cheers, Mikel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.12.02 11:09:53 +0100: What about DragonFlyBSD's new HAMMER FS? I hear it has similar capabilities as ZFS without the overhead. Though, strangely, I haven't really heard anyone discuss it even though it was released some months ago. it's maybe pre-pre-prerelease. it's not finished yet. It's already usable on DragonFly. DragonFLY itself is stable, but only supports one CPUIt probably will never be ported to FreeBSD due to API differences. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???
With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if it's really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory utilization, speed, stability, etc... So, my question is this... If you were building a brand new 6.3/7.0 server with decent performance (dual core, 32 Bit OS - because of known compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...) what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues when there are power hits? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???
With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if it's really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory utilization, no speed, stability, etc... So, my question is this... If you were building a brand new 6.3/7.0 server with decent performance (dual core, 32 Bit OS - because of known compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...) what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS? i use UFS everywhere. it's ACTUALLY high performance, just lacking ZFS fancy features. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 02 December 2008 17:13:58 andrew clarke wrote: On Tue 2008-12-02 09:28:44 UTC+0100, Mel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Portupgrade -PP is detrimental for bandwidth. It's not really portupgrade's fault (well, partially, it shouldn't offer the feature), because it will quite often download Latest/foo.tbz, unpack it entirely and then say oops, I downloaded this useless package which is older or equal to what you have installed. Yes, this happens. -PP is not ideal for regular updates but it's still useful for when you have a new FreeBSD install with no packages installed, and want to get up and running quickly, grabbing the most recent binaries of all your favourite ports instead of building them all from source. That's infinitely slower than pkg_add -r list of leaves. Don't use portupgrade -NPP package. ;-) But portupgrade -PP package really *upgrades* packages. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
It's already usable on DragonFly. DragonFLY itself is stable, but only supports one CPUIt probably will never be ported to FreeBSD due to API differences. time to wait and see if they will really make dragonfly faster than FreeBSD (it's their goal)... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: To swap or not to swap
Fellas, I need opinions. Asus Eee PC, SSD storage, 512MB RAM, with GNOME and other desktop thingy (testing out of curiousity). Question is, swap or no swap? Remember, this is SSD, it is reasonable to have no swap. However, what if I wanted OpenOffice? This beast is memory hog AFAIK. Thanks for opinions. without gnome openoffice starts without problems on 256MB RAM without storage. no - don't use swap on SSD. simply remove unneeded bloat (gnome/kde etc) and 512MB will be more than plenty ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: To swap or not to swap
Anthony, SSD or no, I feel that you should treat it as you would any other hard disks doesn't wear on writes. SSD do ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installation on a Dell Poweredge R805
I'm having an issue installing FreeBSD 7 AMD64 on a Dell Poweredge R805. The system starts to boot, throws several mpt_cam_event 0x12 and 0x16 errors, presents the boot menu, and then crashes with a Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode and then wants to reboot. This is a dual CPU, quad core Opteron 2352 system with 8GB RAM and dual SAS on a PERC6 controller. I've tried various memory and BIOS settings to see if I can get it to boot, but it either does the bits describe above, or hangs hard. Any and all suggestions appreciated. --Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
Pieter Donche wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Ebbe Hjorth wrote: Hi, All new XEON cpus are 64-bit spo use the 64 bit freebsd version. So this would point to ia64 distribution? But clicking op www.freebsd.com/where.html - Hardware notes/View tells for ia64: Currently supported processors are Itanium and Itanium2 There nothing about Intel XEON ?? No -- ia64 is the Itanium chip. Use amd64 for Xeons -- it covers all recent multi-core Intel chips as well as the AMD 64bit processors. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
Pieter Donche wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Ebbe Hjorth wrote: Hi, All new XEON cpus are 64-bit spo use the 64 bit freebsd version. So this would point to ia64 distribution? But clicking op www.freebsd.com/where.html - Hardware notes/View tells for ia64: Currently supported processors are Itanium and Itanium2 There nothing about Intel XEON ?? No -- ia64 is the Itanium chip. Use amd64 for Xeons -- it covers all recent multi-core Intel chips as well as the AMD 64bit processors. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FreeBSD 7.0: which distribution
Pieter Donche wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Ebbe Hjorth wrote: Hi, All new XEON cpus are 64-bit spo use the 64 bit freebsd version. So this would point to ia64 distribution? But clicking op www.freebsd.com/where.html - Hardware notes/View tells for ia64: Currently supported processors are Itanium and Itanium2 There nothing about Intel XEON ?? No -- ia64 is the Itanium chip. Use amd64 for Xeons -- it covers all recent multi-core Intel chips as well as the AMD 64bit processors. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: To swap or not to swap
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 04:56:52PM +, Anthony M. Rasat wrote: Fellas, I need opinions. Asus Eee PC, SSD storage, 512MB RAM, with GNOME and other desktop thingy (testing out of curiousity). Question is, swap or no swap? Remember, this is SSD, it is reasonable to have no swap. However, what if I wanted OpenOffice? This beast is memory hog AFAIK. Thanks for opinions. First, please break your lines at around 70 characters. It makes it much easier to read and to respond. Yes, have some swap. The system uses this space for more than swapping out processes. It uses it for paging and for crash dumping. The rule of thumb is 2.2 times memory size. jerry -- Regards, Anthony M. Rasat Manager - Technical, Network and Support Division PT. Jawa Pos National Network Graha Pena Jawa Pos Group Building, 5th floor Jln. Raya Kebayoran Lama 12, Jakarta Barat 12210 Indonesia.- Phone 02132185562 Phone 081574217035 Fax 02153651465 Web http://www.jpnn.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 19:03:44 Boris Samorodov wrote: Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 02 December 2008 17:13:58 andrew clarke wrote: On Tue 2008-12-02 09:28:44 UTC+0100, Mel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Portupgrade -PP is detrimental for bandwidth. It's not really portupgrade's fault (well, partially, it shouldn't offer the feature), because it will quite often download Latest/foo.tbz, unpack it entirely and then say oops, I downloaded this useless package which is older or equal to what you have installed. Yes, this happens. -PP is not ideal for regular updates but it's still useful for when you have a new FreeBSD install with no packages installed, and want to get up and running quickly, grabbing the most recent binaries of all your favourite ports instead of building them all from source. That's infinitely slower than pkg_add -r list of leaves. Don't use portupgrade -NPP package. ;-) But portupgrade -PP package really *upgrades* packages. Don't assume that the @pkgdep lines in a given package on the FreeBSD servers will always point to an existing package. If it doesn't, watch what happens: Latest/foo.tbz based on s/@name (.*)-[^-]+$/$1/ extract foo.tbz entirely, rather then just +CONTENTS which is the first file in the tar archive find out that foo = foo-older-then-installed and discard the package I've solved this myself with an index format like this: # bzcat /var/pkg/7-stable/All/INDEX.bz2 |tail -1 archivers/zip:zip-3.0.tbz:72f4fcc337c74240eaa8ae989a452835231fe7ff32c7469094e3a5fe411d7430:181194 $origin:$pkgname.tbz:$sha256:$size High level view: Compare btree of /var/db/pkg with btree of indexfile, download and upgrade. Saves bogus downloads and doesn't need a portstree. Cons: buildserver needs to periodically create the index, index needs to be downloaded. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD and hardware??
On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:25:24PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On the other hand, both Unix and Linux have a long way to go before they can match Microsoft's ease of use on the GUI. I believe the best way to attack that problem is to find a new paradigm to replace the desktop, which is not a great interface model to begin with. I guess that depends on your definition of ease of use. In my little world, ease of use involves the ease, efficiency, and speed of task completion via an interface with which I'm familiar. It seems from what you said that in your little world ease of use means familiarity, since that's really the major win for MS Windows interfaces, to the majority of its users. Here are two simple tests for ease of use. 1. View a tree of files and directories, some local some remote mounts. Highlight a random group of those objects. Move the entire group in one motion by dragging and dropping the collection to a new location in the tree. 2. Do an SMB mount of remote directories onto the desktop or your home directory. Open any application and access files in that directory as easily as when they are on the local drive. I have not been able to do either of these on Ubuntu 7.10 or XFCE/Slackware 12. In the first case, I need to cut and paste the individual files one at a time. I can't even move a directory. In the second, I have been unable to get Amarok, vlc, xine or any other multimedia application I have tried, to recognize the SMB mounted directory. It is invisible to them. At the application level there should be absolutely no difference between a local drive and a mounted remote drive, no matter what protocol was used to mount it. The application should not need to implement smb:// itself. I am not even going to talk about how difficult it is to find and modify basic configuration files, particularly after the LSB crowd really screwed everything up. Once you fix basic problems like these, then we can talk about how to redefine ease of use. Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: any way to turn a pdf file into something OCR-able?
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:23:09PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Roland Smith writes: pdftotext fail on the large [32MB] file I've got. Is there any other way I can translate this huge textfile to ascii or html or text? Please define fail in this context? I've used pdftotxt on documents exceeding 40MB. However there are of course things that don't work; 1) Some PDFs are just wrappers around JPEG images. In this case there is no text for pdftotext to convert = epic fail. In this case convert from the ImageMagick port will get you a series of .jpg/.gif/.whatever. Read the manual carefully before attempting; also note this can be a slow process. Which still doesn't give plain text. But in this case one would need an OCR app. There is a new one available in ports called cuneiform. It is supposed to be quite good, but I haven't had the need to try it yet. I've tried gocr and tesseract in the past but was not really impressed with them. For short documents it's easier to do the OCR with the Mk I eyeball brain. :-) You'll have to completely check an OCR-ed document for errors anyway. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpxQMfB0hnro.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's already usable on DragonFly. DragonFLY itself is stable, but only supports one CPUIt probably will never be ported to FreeBSD due to API differences. time to wait and see if they will really make dragonfly faster than FreeBSD (it's their goal)... http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html Good luck to them, they need it :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: To swap or not to swap
Yes, have some swap. The system uses this space for more than swapping out processes. It uses it for paging and for crash dumping. The rule of thumb is 2.2 times memory size. why not 2.17? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:25:24PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On the other hand, both Unix and Linux have a long way to go before they can match Microsoft's ease of use on the GUI. I believe the best way to attack that problem is to find a new paradigm to replace the desktop, which is not a great interface model to begin with. I guess that depends on your definition of ease of use. In my little world, ease of use involves the ease, efficiency, and speed of task completion via an interface with which I'm familiar. It seems from what you said that in your little world ease of use means familiarity, since that's really the major win for MS Windows interfaces, to the majority of its users. Here are two simple tests for ease of use. 1. View a tree of files and directories, some local some remote mounts. Highlight a random group of those objects. Move the entire group in one motion by dragging and dropping the collection to a new location in the tree. 2. Do an SMB mount of remote directories onto the desktop or your home directory. Open any application and access files in that directory as easily as when they are on the local drive. I have not been able to do either of these on Ubuntu 7.10 or XFCE/Slackware 12. In the first case, I need to cut and paste the individual files one at a time. I can't even move a directory. In the second, I have been unable to get Amarok, vlc, xine or any other multimedia application I have tried, to recognize the SMB mounted directory. It is invisible to them. At the application level there should be absolutely no difference between a local drive and a mounted remote drive, no matter what protocol was used to mount it. The application should not need to implement smb:// itself. I am not even going to talk about how difficult it is to find and modify basic configuration files, particularly after the LSB crowd really screwed everything up. Once you fix basic problems like these, then we can talk about how to redefine ease of use. Bob McConnell ease of use is always relative to the person using. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:25:24PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On the other hand, both Unix and Linux have a long way to go before they can match Microsoft's ease of use on the GUI. I believe the best way to attack that problem is to find a new paradigm to replace the desktop, which is not a great interface model to begin with. I guess that depends on your definition of ease of use. In my little world, ease of use involves the ease, efficiency, and speed of task completion via an interface with which I'm familiar. It seems from what you said that in your little world ease of use means familiarity, since that's really the major win for MS Windows interfaces, to the majority of its users. Here are two simple tests for ease of use. 1. View a tree of files and directories, some local some remote mounts. Highlight a random group of those objects. Move the entire group in one motion by dragging and dropping the collection to a new location in the tree. 2. Do an SMB mount of remote directories onto the desktop or your home directory. Open any application and access files in that directory as easily as when they are on the local drive. I have not been able to do either of these on Ubuntu 7.10 or XFCE/Slackware 12. In the first case, I need to cut and paste the individual files one at a time. I can't even move a directory. In the second, I have been unable to get Amarok, vlc, xine or any other multimedia application I have tried, to recognize the SMB mounted directory. It is invisible to them. At the application level there should be absolutely no difference between a local drive and a mounted remote drive, no matter what protocol was used to mount it. The application should not need to implement smb:// itself. I am not even going to talk about how difficult it is to find and modify basic configuration files, particularly after the LSB crowd really screwed everything up. Once you fix basic problems like these, then we can talk about how to redefine ease of use. Bob McConnell also, my vlc sees any mounted drive or directory, no matter the protocol. so does mplayer, etc. i don't know why your system doesn't operate correctly, but i don't have that issue at all. e,g: /mnt/Azureus Downloads this mount is mounted over samba from a computer on the other side of the house, and i see everything on it and play my files over the network. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
Wojciech Puchar wrote: What about DragonFlyBSD's new HAMMER FS? I hear it has similar capabilities as ZFS without the overhead. Though, strangely, I haven't really heard anyone discuss it even though it was released some months ago. it's maybe pre-pre-prerelease. it's not finished yet. I don't think HAMMER intends to implement a significant portion of ZFS's features. In particular, IIRC Matt specifically said he won't do anything about volume management (the data storage / RAID layer of ZFS) which among many other things means no ad-hoc file system creation. Also, HAMMER needs to be vacuumed periodically by design (the reason for this seems to me similar to that of pgsql) which isn't a particularly nice design. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 01:41:43PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:25:24PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: On Behalf Of Chad Perrin On the other hand, both Unix and Linux have a long way to go before they can match Microsoft's ease of use on the GUI. I believe the best way to attack that problem is to find a new paradigm to replace the desktop, which is not a great interface model to begin with. I guess that depends on your definition of ease of use. In my little world, ease of use involves the ease, efficiency, and speed of task completion via an interface with which I'm familiar. It seems from what you said that in your little world ease of use means familiarity, since that's really the major win for MS Windows interfaces, to the majority of its users. Here are two simple tests for ease of use. 1. View a tree of files and directories, some local some remote mounts. Highlight a random group of those objects. Move the entire group in one motion by dragging and dropping the collection to a new location in the tree. That's easy. Actually easier with just a simple mv command. Who cares about drag and drop. That is harder. 2. Do an SMB mount of remote directories onto the desktop or your home directory. Open any application and access files in that directory as easily as when they are on the local drive. Works fine around here. jerry I have not been able to do either of these on Ubuntu 7.10 or XFCE/Slackware 12. In the first case, I need to cut and paste the individual files one at a time. I can't even move a directory. In the second, I have been unable to get Amarok, vlc, xine or any other multimedia application I have tried, to recognize the SMB mounted directory. It is invisible to them. At the application level there should be absolutely no difference between a local drive and a mounted remote drive, no matter what protocol was used to mount it. The application should not need to implement smb:// itself. I am not even going to talk about how difficult it is to find and modify basic configuration files, particularly after the LSB crowd really screwed everything up. Once you fix basic problems like these, then we can talk about how to redefine ease of use. Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
Once you fix basic problems like these, then we can talk about how to redefine ease of use. Bob McConnell ease of use is always relative to the person using. Ease of use is also relative to the training investment. In X, a moderate investment some 20-odd years ago still pays, even through the evolvement of interfaces like KDE, which follows the same general structure. With certain other commercial products, you get to learn it again, and again, and again. What I've had to re-learn to support Windows 1.1, 2.0. 3.0. 3.11, 95, NT, ME, 2000, XP, and Vista has changed dramtically over the years, and they're not done making it usable for the lowest common denominator yet, especially when you throw in de-enhancements like (un)FriendlyTree, a.k.a. Where the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] are my files?!?!?!. This is why I can easily justify teaching my elders FreeBSD -- they unquestionably have more to learn, but they only learn it once, so the investment pays off. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: To swap or not to swap
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:01:22PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Yes, have some swap. The system uses this space for more than swapping out processes. It uses it for paging and for crash dumping. The rule of thumb is 2.2 times memory size. why not 2.17? Sounds good to me.Takes one more character to type... jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: To swap or not to swap
Yes, have some swap. The system uses this space for more than swapping out processes. It uses it for paging and for crash dumping. The rule of thumb is 2.2 times memory size. why not 2.17? Sounds good to me.Takes one more character to type... and both 2.2 and 2.17 is nonsense. the only rule is use as much as needed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
This is why I can easily justify teaching my elders FreeBSD -- they unquestionably have more to learn, but they only learn it once, so the investment pays off. but most people don't like to learn. even once. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
I don't think HAMMER intends to implement a significant portion of ZFS's it intends to implement what's needed. anyway - lets wait when it will be really finished ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS partitioning
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:53:23 +0100 (CET), Pieter Donche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know / is the root partition, but /root is the home-directory of the user root (/etc/passwd: root:*:0:0:Charlie :/root:/bin/csh). I doubt this will ever be needed to be large? There is no special advice about what /root should contain. As you mentioned correctly, this content belongs to the system administrator root. In the most cases I've seen, root stores a backup of configuration files and useful scripts that no one else should be able to use. And when you take into mind that many users use the sudo command instead of logging in as root, there's less use for this directory. My thought: It won't get large. If its not large fsck neither will spend much time in it. So I guess it's just safe not to make this a separate BSD-partiton ? No separate partition, correct. It's okay to make / at 1 GB max, and fsck won't run for long. Yes, but it's hard to find out what is best... I'm constantly swinged between the one (/ including /tmp /var /usr) and the other (all separate) option ... In fact, there is no the best, it completely depends on what you're going to do with the system. It has been explained before, but I'd like to mention some advantages of the partitions approach and the one partition approach: The first one allows you to dump / restore data partition-wise, but when a partition is occupied 100%, the trouble starts. You don't have this problem when you have everything on one partition, but a runaway disk space consumer (e. g. a faulty program) can occupy all disk space causing problems for processes that would like to write to /tmp or /var. Finally, changing the paradigm would usually be combined with a complete re-installation. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
time to wait and see if they will really make dragonfly faster than FreeBSD (it's their goal)... http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html Good luck to them, they need it :) indeed:) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firefox Compile Issues
I am compiling firefox 3. It just hangs at these lines. /usr/ports/www/firefox3/work/mozilla/security/nss/cmd/shlibsign/FreeBSD7.0_OPT.OBJ/shlibsign -v -i /usr/ports/www/firefox3/work/mozilla/dist/lib/libsoftokn3.so ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
Tyson Boellstorff wrote: Once you fix basic problems like these, then we can talk about how to redefine ease of use. Bob McConnell ease of use is always relative to the person using. Ease of use is also relative to the training investment. In X, a moderate investment some 20-odd years ago still pays, even through the evolvement of interfaces like KDE, which follows the same general structure. With certain other commercial products, you get to learn it again, and again, and again. What I've had to re-learn to support Windows 1.1, 2.0. 3.0. 3.11, 95, NT, ME, 2000, XP, and Vista has changed dramtically over the years, and they're not done making it usable for the lowest common denominator yet, especially when you throw in de-enhancements like (un)FriendlyTree, a.k.a. Where the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] are my files?!?!?!. This is why I can easily justify teaching my elders FreeBSD -- they unquestionably have more to learn, but they only learn it once, so the investment pays off. you basically lengthened what i said. :-) also, using classic menus from xp and up looks like win95 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD and hardware??
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:23:49PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: This is why I can easily justify teaching my elders FreeBSD -- they unquestionably have more to learn, but they only learn it once, so the investment pays off. but most people don't like to learn. even once. You need to begin speaking for yourself rather than that reluctant expert character called Most People. You seem to do quite well working out issues that you encounter in your work, but everytime you start quoting this Most People guy you seem to get lost in the weeds. Let Most People speak for himself and deal with his own problems. FreeBSD has done quite well and developed an excellent product when people applied themselves to create solutions for the problems they were actually having and allowed Most People to do the same with his issues. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cups from latest portsnap and CURRENT
is there a magic foo i need to make it work? sees my printer, says its printing, finishes job, and yet.. no paper. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mx1.freebsd.org
Hi, My postfix mail servers shows to messages in the queue saying (host mx1.FreeBSD.org[69.147.83.52] said: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [86.58.167.132] (in reply to RCPT TO command)) But when i do a lookup or a reverse lookup, i find my hostname. Does mx1.freebsd.org have an old dns? / Ebbe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Swapping to MMC (Was: To swap or not to swap)
Anthony M. Rasat wrote: The rule of thumb is 2.2 times memory size. why not 2.17? Sounds good to me.Takes one more character to type... and both 2.2 and 2.17 is nonsense. the only rule is use as much as needed It's fun watching you fellas argue about 0.03 thing. I put in your opinions in kinda pros or cons to swap in Asus Eee PC like following: Pros: 1) System requires swap. Period. 2) Swap may need size in range between 2.17 times to 2.22 time or whatever size it need. This is not prohibited by Eee's SSD size (4GB btw, 701 series). Cons: 1) Since SSD is manufactured have limited lifetime (around 100,000 times write operation or so, I read it somewhere), swapping to SSD is more likely not a wise thing to do. Two against one. I concurr that swap is needed. However since SSD in 701 series is not removable, having a bad sector in SSD is one thing you don't want to have. So the questions are, because Asus Eee have MMC reader built in, is it wise to swap to MMC? Since MMC is presumably slower on write operation than SSD, isn't it become bottleneck for system performances? And what happened if FreeBSD kernel suddenly lose its swap file by absent-minded human? Is it going to be just angry or having massive heart attack? I might as well change the subject. There. FYI I asked those questions because I don't have any MMC to play with. In here 1GB MMC is about USD 5 or so. Not exactly expensive but it's late, I have to continue playing FreeBSD in Eee tommorrow. Thanks again for your opinions. i have a very small machine with ssd drive, the write issue is pretty much null on the very newest ones.. but that is neither here nor there. i'm using a high speed sd card for my swap and a couple other things, there is not drop in performance with, in fact, its reads /writes are faster than my hd. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sshit runs out of semaphores
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 04:54:27 Bill Moran wrote: In response to DA Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hiya I recently started (trying) to use sshit to filter the many brute force sshd attacks. However, it has never worked on my box. FreeBSD 7.0 p1. This morning it would only give a message (without exiting) Could not create semaphore set: No space left on device at /usr/local/sbin/sshit line 322 Every time it gets stopped by CTRL-C it leaves the shared memory behind, allocated. Have a look at ipcs and ipcrm, which will save you the reboots. A side issue is that sshit will only filter rapid fire attacks, but I am also seeing 'slow fire' attacks, where an IP is repeated every 2 or 3 hours, but there seem to be a network of attackers because the name sequence is kept up across many incoming IP's. Is there any script for countering these attacks? If not I'll write one I think. My approach: http://www.potentialtech.com/cms/node/16 I use denyhosts which adds the IP to a file called hosts_deny.ssh. It will keep the IP for however many days you set it for so a repeat even hours later will just get bounced. -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
Ivan Voras([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.12.02 20:00:46 +0100: Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's already usable on DragonFly. DragonFLY itself is stable, but only supports one CPUIt probably will never be ported to FreeBSD due to API differences. time to wait and see if they will really make dragonfly faster than FreeBSD (it's their goal)... http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html Good luck to them, they need it :) That's a stupid benchmark. DragonFly doesn't have SMP support yet. As already mentioned, they don't have SMP yet. Scalable SMP is the ultimate goal though, and once they get rid of giant lock, the SMP won't take that long. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Swapping to MMC (Was: To swap or not to swap)
I put in your opinions in kinda pros or cons to swap in Asus Eee PC like following: Pros: 1) System requires swap. Period. it doesn't. Cons: 1) Since SSD is manufactured have limited lifetime (around 100,000 1 for MLC flash it uses. after every rewrite flash gets less reliable and keeps data for shorter time. new flash chip guarrantes 10 years data persistency using standard error correction, after 9000 rewrites it's about 1 year etc. and: SSD disks emulates disks instead of using flash-designed filesystem. they do LOTS of extra writes for worn up management, mapping tables. you can safely assume 2 times more data written in reality than requested. assuming 4GB flash, 1*4GB/2=20TB of writes and flash is dead. not that much with swapping IO ranged in megabytes/s ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
That's a stupid benchmark. DragonFly doesn't have SMP support yet. my benchmark is to start it install programs i use commonly and compare it to other system. on single-core machine i tested FreeBSD is faster. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???
Don O'Neil([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.12.02 08:57:58 -0800: With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if it's really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory utilization, speed, stability, etc... From everything I've read people use it in production successfully, but not without some tweaking or testing. That said, I would love to see XFS ported. IIRC you can't resize gvinum volumes on the fly either, if that's the case, that would also be a nice feature. On Linux I can resize LVM volumes, and then resize a live XFS without having to unmount it. Takes seconds. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
time to wait and see if they will really make dragonfly faster than FreeBSD (it's their goal)... http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html Good luck to them, they need it :) That's a stupid benchmark. DragonFly doesn't have SMP support yet. So? Look at just the UP scores then. From the above page: UP performance on FreeBSD 7 is 2.6 times higher than dragonfly UP performance and 1.8 times higher than freebsd 4 UP performance. Please explain how DragonFly's lack of SMP affects the UP performance? Also, from an end user perspective, you can hardly get a computer these days that only has one core. SMP performance is very relevant from that perspective. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
Le 01/12/2008 à 09:59:15-0600, Kirk Strauser a écrit I have ZFS on my 7.1-PRERELEASE system, and while it does some spiffy things, in general I'm a bit underwhelmed. PROS: Adding new filesystems on a whim is really nice. It has a lot of really cool other features that I will probably never need. CONS: I have nearly 3GB of wired RAM, but it doesn't seem to be all that fast. For example, starting an Amanda backup on a UFS2 filesystem would get through the estimate phase almost instantly on a system that had been up for several days because of cached filesystem data. On ZFS, it still limps along even if I just finished the last backup a few minutes earlier. Other than saying I'm using ZFS, I don't seem to have much to show for it. WTF: Raidz and top-level vdevs cannot be removed from a pool. At this point, I'm almost ready to go back to good ol' UFS2, but I'd hate to give up that easy addition of new filesystems. I *could* have a single 700GB root FS but that just doesn't seem right. Are there any good, tested GEOM- based ways of getting that functionality, perhaps along the lines of using something like gvirstor and growfs as needed? Maybe my message is little in the wrong mailing-list I'm have choosing ZFSunder Solaris because for some special purpose I need a big space (~30To). So I've two Sun X4500 with Solaris x86-64 After one year I can say ZFS is fantastic file system for (IMHO) those reason : Don't have fsck (for 30To is very very useful) Snapshots is instantly make. You can put any number files in on directory (of course depend you context but it's useful for me) Very very rock solid. For the last item, I can say that because they are «big» bug in the kernel of Solaris when I start to using it. The effect is the server ... reboot when it's heavy load on SATA controller. So I've many reboot (~30) in very short time. Event that I never lost any bits of information on my FS. To come back to FreeBSD, I'm using FreeBSD since 10 years, UFS is very slow, and when UFS2 is release I'm very happy to switch to UFS2. Now FreeBSD have ZFS, and I'm using it inmy scracth because I don't really need ZFS on my server when they are ~ 100-1024Go disk. I'm using ZFS only on my personnal computer (more because to make test and send bug reports than because I'm really use ZFS) Of course when ZFS is fully integrated and very solid under FreeBSD, I'm going to very happy and use it. But at this moment for production and for «small» FS I'm not really need ZFS. I think ZFS become indispensable when the FS continue to growing ... a fsck on 4 To is very very long. When ZFS is stable ZFS UFS2 ext3 UFS1 at this moment UFS2 ZFS ext3 UFS1 Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26 Heure local/Local time: Mar 2 déc 2008 22:25:20 CET ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
performance and 1.8 times higher than freebsd 4 UP performance. Please explain how DragonFly's lack of SMP affects the UP performance? doesn't affect of course. yes dragonflybsd is slower. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
To come back to FreeBSD, I'm using FreeBSD since 10 years, UFS is very slow, and when UFS2 is release I'm very happy to switch to UFS2. simply turn on softupdates and turn off atime ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disenchanted with ZFS; alternatives?
Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.12.02 22:14:55 +0100: That's a stupid benchmark. DragonFly doesn't have SMP support yet. my benchmark is to start it install programs i use commonly and compare it to other system. on single-core machine i tested FreeBSD is faster. Good things come to those who wait. IMO the best thing about DragonFly is what and how you can build on top of it. Compared to other BSDs it has a rewritten kernel, and this work continues. It will be much easier to build clustering on top of this kernel. HAMMER already supports replication, and from following this list I know some people want this feature like yesterday. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
