Re: Heimdal vs MIT KerberosV

2009-02-28 Thread Tim Judd
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Tom McLaughlin
tmcla...@sdf.lonestar.orgwrote:

 Mel wrote:

 On Thursday 26 February 2009 08:48:35 Tim Judd wrote:

 Building WITHOUT_KERBEROS and installing MIT-port, is best option to use
 that implementation. You may need to remove libraries by hand, not sure if
 make delete-old-libs covers it.


 Using WITHOUT_KERBEROS to build world IIRC will cause you to lose
 pam_{krb5,ksu} and GSSAPI support in ssh.  Depending on your environment,
 those might be useful.

 Other than the kadmin protocol differences why change from Heimdal to MIT?

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Frankly - it's a matter of exploration, learning and understanding of
everything all put together.

Secondly, it's because MIT offers a windows MIT KerberosV application and I
wanted to see them interact with each other.

Thirdly, src.conf(5) clearly states that the knob WITH_GSSAPI will
re-introduce that back into world.  And as a subnote, I don't know how to
use GSSAPI, don't know how to administer the API, or enable a service/daemon
to utilize GSSAPI.

Fourthly -- Loosing the pam_{krb5,ksu} is no sweat.  As the first, initial
play thing, I'd keep local accounts, enabling K5 and see how they interact.
Speaking of the interaction, it's the time to learn DNS SRV records, and K5
seems a useful go at it.


I may have forgotten a reason, but it's how my mind works, how I enjoy to
learn, and I'm not going to break the Internet doing it.  :)

LTNS, tmclaugh.  Haven't seen you around recently.

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Re: To meke Desktop FreeBSD setting up by Xorg -- under VMWare?

2009-02-28 Thread Stephan Lichtenauer


Am 28.02.2009 um 02:09 schrieb Warren Block:


On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, ?? ?? wrote:


Nice to meet you.
I'm japanese ,Katsurou Takahash.

I started to use FreeBSD to constitute my file server and I want to  
use FreeBSD as Desktop OS.
I would like to know how to setting FreeBSD as Desktop OS by Xorg  
on VMware Fusion act 2.

Or I want to know how to setting command by GUI.
I use MacBookPro 15inch USkeyboard.
If you know the way ,please tell me that.


pcbsd.org has a downloadable VMWare image.  Even if you don't use  
their whole setup, you can use their xorg.conf as a starting point.


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA


What you might also try to do is to just install FreeBSD in VMWare  
from the ISO images yourself, then install the compat6x port and  
afterwards install the VMWare tools from within VMWare. This not only  
installs a special VMWare driver for X.org (and automatically sets up  
xorg.conf) which allows you to set the resolution and lets the mouse  
leave the VM window without pressing Ctrl-Apple keys each time, this  
also installs the VMWare tools applet that can be used to reduce the  
VM disk image from time to time.


For infos about how to install the tools, have a look at the VMWare  
Fusion Help.


Best regards

Stephan

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Re: proftpd and sftp

2009-02-28 Thread Adam Vande More

Adam Vande More wrote:
I've got proftpd running on my server and on a whim tried an sftp 
connection for a website I was working on.  To my amazment, transfer 
speeds increase exponentially.  Getting a directory of about 300 files 
totaling around 5M takes around 10 minutes using default proftpd.conf 
in passive mode.  Same directory takes under 2 using sftp.  These 
options are in proftpd.conf


UseReverseDNS off
IdentLookups off

Why is proftpd so much slower than sftp and any pointers on increasing 
my proftpd performance?



I didn't receive a response on this so just reposting in hopes I do.
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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread FBSD UG


On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:


Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote:

Hi

I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is
planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly
because we need to pay for any upgrade or new add ons.



Hello...


I use a free version of the Leopard based on darwin (freebsd6) named
hackintosh  it is the google,
it is free, and just works...

You can even buy a standard notebook, and install.  I will transform
the notebook in an
apple leopard 10.


Tha's, ehm, quite illegal to say the 
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Re: Issues with PF and 7.1

2009-02-28 Thread Zinevich Denis

Hello.
Sorry, but i have no exact answer to your question.
I have problems with pf on 7.1 too.
But i`ve noticed difference between 7.1-p2 and 7.1-p3
My problem appears only in p3 not in p2
may your problem is fixed in p3 ?
Michael K. Smith - Adhost пишет:

** Apologies to folks already subscribed to p...@freebsd.org.  This was posted 
there as well but I'm not getting any responses at all so I thought it best to 
post it here as well. **


We are having memory issues with PF and 7.1p2 that we didn't experience with 
6.3.   Here's what happens.

# pfctl -f /usr/local/etc/pf.conf
/usr/local/etc/pf.conf:135: cannot define table smtpd_reject_policyd: Cannot 
allocate memory
/usr/local/etc/pf.conf:139: cannot define table smtpd_reject_spam: Cannot 
allocate memory
pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded
# pfctl -t smtpd_reject_policyd -T flush
94390 addresses deleted.
# pfctl -t smtpd_reject_spam -T flush
62464 addresses deleted.
# pfctl -f /usr/local/etc/pf.conf

So, after I flush the tables it loads.  Sometimes, however, we get a global out of memory 
error  DIOCADDRULE: Cannot allocate memory 

Here are my entries from pf.conf for various limits.  Everything else is 
defaults.

set limit tables 500
set limit table-entries 25
set limit { states 100, src-nodes 30, frags 10 }
set optimization normal
set skip on lo0
set state-policy if-bound
set timeout interval 300
set timeout src.track 1200

Finally, the box is using EM interfaces with VLAN's and has 4 Gig of physical 
RAM.  There are two PF boxes in Active/Failover and the errors show up on both, 
although they seem to show up more often on the Backup device, which seems odd.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  


Regards,

Mike

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Re: Odd DNS requests

2009-02-28 Thread George Davidovich
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 04:32:47PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
 Recently we've had a Mac notebook of some sort on our LAN, that likes
 to make these DNS queries from time to time, to no avail, as noticed
 on a filtering bridge between the LAN and the router+DNS at
 192.168.0.1:
 
 16:13:05.020397 192.168.0.59.53207  192.168.0.1.53:  63162+ PTR? 
 b._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (57) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.021093 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.53207:  63162 NXDomain* 0/1/0 
 (128) (DF)
 16:13:05.215790 192.168.0.59.64633  192.168.0.1.53:  61059+ PTR? 
 db._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.216469 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.64633:  61059 NXDomain* 0/1/0 
 (129) (DF)
 16:13:05.226242 192.168.0.59.61635  192.168.0.1.53:  6749+ PTR? 
 r._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (57) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.226789 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.61635:  6749 NXDomain* 0/1/0 
 (128) (DF)
 16:13:05.237319 192.168.0.59.56300  192.168.0.1.53:  21450+ PTR? 
 dr._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.237842 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.56300:  21450 NXDomain* 0/1/0 
 (129) (DF)
 16:13:05.248440 192.168.0.59.60806  192.168.0.1.53:  10032+ PTR? 
 lb._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.249252 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.60806:  10032 NXDomain* 0/1/0 
 (129) (DF)
 
 What exactly are these hoping to discover, and what needs turning off
 in the Mac's setup (OSX, most likely a recent version) to quell them?

DNS-Based Service Discovery:
http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd.txt

Skip to the section titled: 

12. Discovery of Browsing and Registration Domains (Domain
Enumeration)'

when it gets boring.  There may be something more recent or more
authoritative, but that's what I have bookmarked.  

As for configuring the notebook, etc., perhaps someone else can chime
in.

-- 
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Re: Odd DNS requests

2009-02-28 Thread Michael Powell
Ian Smith wrote:

 Hi,
 
 recently we've had a Mac notebook of some sort on our LAN, that likes to
 make these DNS queries from time to time, to no avail, as noticed on a
 filtering bridge between the LAN and the router+DNS at 192.168.0.1:
 
 16:13:05.020397 192.168.0.59.53207  192.168.0.1.53:  63162+ PTR?
 b._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (57) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.021093 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.53207:  63162 NXDomain*
 0/1/0 (128) (DF)
 16:13:05.215790 192.168.0.59.64633  192.168.0.1.53:  61059+ PTR?
 db._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.216469 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.64633:  61059 NXDomain*
 0/1/0 (129) (DF)
 16:13:05.226242 192.168.0.59.61635  192.168.0.1.53:  6749+ PTR?
 r._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (57) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.226789 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.61635:  6749 NXDomain* 0/1/0
 (128) (DF)
 16:13:05.237319 192.168.0.59.56300  192.168.0.1.53:  21450+ PTR?
 dr._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.237842 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.56300:  21450 NXDomain*
 0/1/0 (129) (DF)
 16:13:05.248440 192.168.0.59.60806  192.168.0.1.53:  10032+ PTR?
 lb._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
 16:13:05.249252 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.60806:  10032 NXDomain*
 0/1/0 (129) (DF)
 
 What exactly are these hoping to discover, and what needs turning off in
 the Mac's setup (OSX, most likely a recent version) to quell them?
 
[snip]

Probably Avahi and/or Apple's Bonjour service. These are also known as 
ZeroConf services.

-Mike



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Regarding DVD/CD request

2009-02-28 Thread RAMASUBRAMANIAN VENKITESWARAN
Sir/Madam,
 I am a student studying in an Indian  University.I
recently heard of  FREE BSD Operating system.To have a try on the Operating
system I tried to download it.But,I could not download the Operating
system,since it is bulky.Can you send DVD/CDs of Free BSD by mail?
Please Reply.
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Re: Regarding DVD/CD request

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 RAMASUBRAMANIAN VENKITESWARAN ramanvenkatam...@gmail.com:
 Sir/Madam,
                     I am a student studying in an Indian  University.I
 recently heard of  FREE BSD Operating system.To have a try on the Operating
 system I tried to download it.But,I could not download the Operating
 system,since it is bulky.Can you send DVD/CDs of Free BSD by mail?
 Please Reply.
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Sure thing, It'd be a pleasure, just tell me where to send it to, and
the release.

Are you sure you're OK to run it though? An internet connection is
almost mandatory...

Chris

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Re: Regarding DVD/CD request

2009-02-28 Thread mail list

RAMASUBRAMANIAN VENKITESWARAN wrote:

Can you send DVD/CDs of Free BSD by mail?

AFAIK no.

You can download *-RELEASE-i386-bootonly which is small in size and give 
you an option to install over the internet
i.e you boot from it and if you want to install anything - base, kernel, 
man, src etc.. it fetch it over the internet from the ftp

note that you can use and http..
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Re: Regarding DVD/CD request

2009-02-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar

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Sure thing, It'd be a pleasure, just tell me where to send it to, and
the release.

Are you sure you're OK to run it though? An internet connection is
almost mandatory...

not that much. a DVD with a lots of packages, base system and system 
sources (at least kernel) should be enough.


even if something has to be downloaded, it won't be that much.

I don't know how does internet access in india looks, but if still mostly
pay-per-time they i fully understand a problem.

but if it's not pay-per-time it could be possible to install it over 
33kbps links with boot CD. slow but managable

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kernel #4

2009-02-28 Thread Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin


Hello guyz,

Here's a short question (was unable to find a google)

uname states my kernes as being: Freebsd-7.1-STABLE #4

What exactly is that #4 mean ?

Recompiled it 20 min. ago, so I figure it has something to do with maybe,  
I don't know, some sub-version of the sources ?

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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/27 Sergio de Almeida Lenzi le...@k1.com.br:
 Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu:

 On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote:
  Hi
 
  I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is
  planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly
  because we need to pay for any upgrade or new add ons.


 Hello...


 I use a free version of the Leopard based on darwin (freebsd6) named
 hackintosh  it is the google,
 it is free, and just works...

 You can even buy a standard notebook, and install.  I will transform
 the notebook in an
 apple leopard 10.

 It is a DVD of 4Gb..


 Sergio



Not only is that not what the OP is asking for, you're making us look
like criminals. Save your warez talk for other places please.

Chris
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Re: ZFS + Samba = nicely

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/26 Brad Pitney pitney.b...@googlemail.com:
 Hi

 can anyone help me?

 I am trying to setup a home file server with FreeBSD -CURRENT along with Samba

 Basically I have followed the wiki for ZFS and done the usual things
 for Samba like I have before with UFS.

 Basically my problem is that when I go to create a file or folder, the
 file server locks up, but I am able to switch terminals with ALT+Fn
 keys, everything else is locked solid

 --
 Best regards,
  Brad

Why are you running an unstable distribution with an unstable
filesystem for production servers??

Chris
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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Bernt Hansson

FBSD UG said the following on 2009-02-28 10:50:


On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:


Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote:

Hi

I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is
planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly
because we need to pay for any upgrade or new add ons.



Hello...


I use a free version of the Leopard based on darwin (freebsd6) named
hackintosh  it is the google,
it is free, and just works...

You can even buy a standard notebook, and install.  I will transform
the notebook in an
apple leopard 10.


Tha's, ehm, quite illegal to say the 
least...


Of course it isn't illegal. You can run any system you like on your own 
hardware.

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Re: kernel #4

2009-02-28 Thread Steve Bertrand
Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin wrote:
 
 Hello guyz,
 
 Here's a short question (was unable to find a google)
 
 uname states my kernes as being: Freebsd-7.1-STABLE #4
 
 What exactly is that #4 mean ?
 
 Recompiled it 20 min. ago, so I figure it has something to do with
 maybe, I don't know, some sub-version of the sources ?

No. It means that this is the fourth time that you've recompiled the
kernel (IIRC).

You will see #5 if you do another recompile.

Steve
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Re: Odd DNS requests

2009-02-28 Thread Ian Smith
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, George Davidovich wrote:
  On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 04:32:47PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
   Recently we've had a Mac notebook of some sort on our LAN, that likes
   to make these DNS queries from time to time, to no avail, as noticed
   on a filtering bridge between the LAN and the router+DNS at
   192.168.0.1:
   
   16:13:05.020397 192.168.0.59.53207  192.168.0.1.53:  63162+ PTR? 
   b._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (57) [tos 0x18]
   16:13:05.021093 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.53207:  63162 NXDomain* 
   0/1/0 (128) (DF)
   16:13:05.215790 192.168.0.59.64633  192.168.0.1.53:  61059+ PTR? 
   db._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
   16:13:05.216469 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.64633:  61059 NXDomain* 
   0/1/0 (129) (DF)
   16:13:05.226242 192.168.0.59.61635  192.168.0.1.53:  6749+ PTR? 
   r._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (57) [tos 0x18]
   16:13:05.226789 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.61635:  6749 NXDomain* 0/1/0 
   (128) (DF)
   16:13:05.237319 192.168.0.59.56300  192.168.0.1.53:  21450+ PTR? 
   dr._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
   16:13:05.237842 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.56300:  21450 NXDomain* 
   0/1/0 (129) (DF)
   16:13:05.248440 192.168.0.59.60806  192.168.0.1.53:  10032+ PTR? 
   lb._dns-sd._udp.0.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (58) [tos 0x18]
   16:13:05.249252 192.168.0.1.53  192.168.0.59.60806:  10032 NXDomain* 
   0/1/0 (129) (DF)
   
   What exactly are these hoping to discover, and what needs turning off
   in the Mac's setup (OSX, most likely a recent version) to quell them?
  
  DNS-Based Service Discovery:
  http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd.txt
  
  Skip to the section titled: 
  
   12. Discovery of Browsing and Registration Domains (Domain
   Enumeration)'
  
  when it gets boring.  There may be something more recent or more
  authoritative, but that's what I have bookmarked.  

Thankyou George.  Not tonight's bedtime reading but I'll get through it.

  As for configuring the notebook, etc., perhaps someone else can chime
  in.

On the face of it, it seems not a bad idea.  I'm not averse to using DNS 
in ways that some may consider impure, being more bothered by things I 
don't understand :)  I'll check the Mac's mDNS setup though, there's no 
sense it banging away forever on NXDOMAIN responses, that often anyway.

cheers, Ian
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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh



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List freebsd-po...@freebsd.org

Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook


2009/2/27 Sergio de Almeida Lenzi le...@k1.com.br:

Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote:
 Hi

 I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is
 planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly
 because we need to pay for any upgrade or new add ons.



for simple clarification. OSX is built on top of Darwin which is BASED on 
FreeBSD, but is not BSD. its BSD code built on top of the Mach kernel.
Ports are just the source code for the programs yer looking for anyway so 
there's nothing stopping you from doing stuff like installing OpenOffice or 
Gimp under OSX.
I've seen people replace the Quartz interface with Gnome before.  overall Im 
with you in abstaining from anything with the name apple attached to it 
since its all overpriced underpowered crap. 


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Re: ZFS + Samba = nicely

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh



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Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:35 AM
To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: ZFS + Samba = nicely


2009/2/26 Brad Pitney pitney.b...@googlemail.com:

Hi

can anyone help me?

I am trying to setup a home file server with FreeBSD -CURRENT along with 
Samba


Basically I have followed the wiki for ZFS and done the usual things
for Samba like I have before with UFS.

Basically my problem is that when I go to create a file or folder, the
file server locks up, but I am able to switch terminals with ALT+Fn
keys, everything else is locked solid

--
Best regards,
 Brad


Why are you running an unstable distribution with an unstable
filesystem for production servers??

Chris



Since when are home servers considered production level? 


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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh

-
From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM
To: FBSD UG free...@rgbaz.eu
Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook


FBSD UG said the following on 2009-02-28 10:50:


On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:


Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote:

Hi

I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is
planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly
because we need to pay for any upgrade or new add ons.



Hello...


I use a free version of the Leopard based on darwin (freebsd6) named
hackintosh  it is the google,
it is free, and just works...

You can even buy a standard notebook, and install.  I will transform
the notebook in an
apple leopard 10.


Tha's, ehm, quite illegal to say the least...


Of course it isn't illegal. You can run any system you like on your own 
hardware.



unless you actually READ the licensing on OSX that says It can only be 
installed on apple brand hardware 


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Re: Emacs doesn't want to support 256 colors in terminal window

2009-02-28 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 02:21:05AM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
 colors on the Windows terminal. For that I reconfigured putty/rxvt to 
 report the (logical) terminal type as xterm-256color. That didn't work 

ncurses has an rxvt-256color entry...

 so I tried to redefine the TERM environment variable on my account, but 
 that didn't work either. The problem seems to be with the Co value 
 defined for the xterm terminal type, because 'tput Co' shows 8 instead 
 of 256 for all physical/logical terminal configurations. I hope now it 
 is clear what I am running where.

tput is only going to show what's in the terminal database.
For xterm, that's normally 8 colors, unless someone's modified it.

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Re: Regarding DVD/CD request

2009-02-28 Thread Chris


On Feb 28, 2009, at 12:49 AM, RAMASUBRAMANIAN VENKITESWARAN wrote:


Sir/Madam,
I am a student studying in an Indian  University.I
recently heard of  FREE BSD Operating system.To have a try on the  
Operating

system I tried to download it.But,I could not download the Operating
system,since it is bulky.Can you send DVD/CDs of Free BSD by mail?
Please Reply.
__


Yes, it is bulky for some of us. Not as bulky as an uncontrolled
auto update from Apple or Microsoft but still bulky. Dial-up is most
likely impractical and satellite risky. One has to presume that you
need nearly the entire installation and whether you download the
small disk and then add other installations or just download
the entire disk one, you still end up using more bandwidth than
a satellite connection wants to give you within a 24 hour period.

On some satellite ISPs, it's practically impossible to get FreeBSD
downloaded if you have much other additional communication
present on your connection. I have gone through the pain of using
ftp reget to download 200MB per day to get a new complete
installation CD. This avoids overrunning your quota but if you forget
it's running, the provider will shut you down for the day and most
likely when throttled, your download will eventually fail (at least
with Hughes, communications become unreliable when they throttle
your connections). You may extend the throttled time out for days
if you leave the download running after they apply the limits.

A good approach is to purchase the CD from FreeBSD Mall or
one of the places shown on the

http://www.freebsd.org/where.html

page. I have done this before and it takes about the same amount
of time for shipping as screwing around with reget within FTP. It
also supports FreeBSD.

Once you have this CD, you install and then immediately set up your
cvsup to upgrade the sources with whatever has changed since the
CD was made and then rebuild the world as shown in the
Handbook. Upgrading the sources and ports from your base CD
may take a day depending on your hardware but I've never blown
my quota doing it this way (versus forgetting I have the ftp running
trying to download an installation disk).

From then on, you just keep cvsup'ing across major and minor
releases and bandwidth throttles aren't an issue if you are careful.
Major releases will obviously use more bandwidth but it's not been
bad with cvsup. I've done several upgrades from 5 to 6, 6 to 7 etc
all on the satellite without blowing my fair use policy. By contrast,
I can't do one Apple upgrade for 10.5, it's quite hopeless at 675
unregulated MBs.

If you use a large number of large ports the experience might be
different. I don't use X windows and I would bet those downloads
are nasty during port upgrades. I know of no solution for that if
you are saddled with an unreliable ISP.

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Odd problem with DNS and IP change.

2009-02-28 Thread Andrei Brezan
Hello list,

I have a strange problem and I don't know what to relate it to. My ISP
changed my IP from (eg) 10.1.1.1 to 15.1.1.1. I have changed my zone
files to reflect that change.

dig -t mx domain.com results in mail.domain.com 3600 IN A 15.1.1.1
(the new ip). However when i try:

ping mail.domain.com it tries to get to 10.1.1.1 the old ip and gets
time to live exceeded fro an ip along the route. When i try to ping
domain.com it gets all ok as it pings the new ip. I've also tried dig
@(forwarders in named.conf) and they to got the correct mx dns entry for
domain.com.
In rc.conf i have hostname=mail.domain.com (eg), i haven't changed
it, i'm thinking it's something related to hostid or hostuid but i don't
know where to search for this topic.
If anyone has a clue what to try or where to look upon this behavior
please shed some light.

Thank you.


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mobile +40 740 089 315
email andrei [at] bsoft-company.ro
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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Bernt Hansson

Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25:

-
From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM
To: FBSD UG free...@rgbaz.eu
Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook


FBSD UG said the following on 2009-02-28 10:50:


On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:


Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote:

Hi

I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is
planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly
because we need to pay for any upgrade or new add ons.



Hello...


I use a free version of the Leopard based on darwin (freebsd6) named
hackintosh  it is the google,
it is free, and just works...

You can even buy a standard notebook, and install.  I will transform
the notebook in an
apple leopard 10.


Tha's, ehm, quite illegal to say the least...


Of course it isn't illegal. You can run any system you like on your 
own hardware.



unless you actually READ the licensing on OSX that says It can only be 
installed on apple brand hardware


It doesn't really matter much what they say in their eula. If i bought a 
copy then i can do/install whatever I want since there isn't any 
agreement between apple and me. For the agreement to be binding I must 
sign a contract with apple.

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Re: kernel #4

2009-02-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar


uname states my kernes as being: Freebsd-7.1-STABLE #4

What exactly is that #4 mean ?

Recompiled it 20 min. ago, so I figure it has something to do with maybe, I 
don't know, some sub-version of the sources ?


it means that you did config and compile in the same directory 4 times
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Re: Regarding DVD/CD request

2009-02-28 Thread Mehul Ved
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:19 PM, RAMASUBRAMANIAN VENKITESWARAN
ramanvenkatam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sir/Madam,
                     I am a student studying in an Indian  University.I
 recently heard of  FREE BSD Operating system.To have a try on the Operating
 system I tried to download it.But,I could not download the Operating
 system,since it is bulky.Can you send DVD/CDs of Free BSD by mail?
 Please Reply.

Where in India? There are people on the list from India, if you
specify the location more accurately possibly someone from nearby
location could send you the required CD/DVD's and provide guidance on
starting up with FreeBSD, as well.

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Re: Odd problem with DNS and IP change.

2009-02-28 Thread Andrei Brezan
Andrei Brezan wrote:
 Hello list,
 
   I have a strange problem and I don't know what to relate it to. My ISP
 changed my IP from (eg) 10.1.1.1 to 15.1.1.1. I have changed my zone
 files to reflect that change.
 
 dig -t mx domain.com results in mail.domain.com 3600 IN A 15.1.1.1
 (the new ip). However when i try:
 
 ping mail.domain.com it tries to get to 10.1.1.1 the old ip and gets
 time to live exceeded fro an ip along the route. When i try to ping
 domain.com it gets all ok as it pings the new ip. I've also tried dig
 @(forwarders in named.conf) and they to got the correct mx dns entry for
 domain.com.
   In rc.conf i have hostname=mail.domain.com (eg), i haven't changed
 it, i'm thinking it's something related to hostid or hostuid but i don't
 know where to search for this topic.
   If anyone has a clue what to try or where to look upon this behavior
 please shed some light.
 
 Thank you.
 
 

Disregard my noise. It was a file called hosts in /etc, changed there
the ip for mail.domain.com and now ping works ok.
Sorry about that.

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310280 Arad - Romania
mobile +40 740 089 315
email andrei [at] bsoft-company.ro
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[6.3] MySQL server doesn't start

2009-02-28 Thread Gilles
Hello

I successfully updated the Ports collection to compile MySQL 5.1.22,
but even after updating /etc/rc.conf, the server doesn't start but
doesn't say why:

==
# pkg_version -v | grep -i mysql
mysql-client-5.1.22needs updating (port has
5.1.30)
mysql-server-5.1.22needs updating (port has
5.1.30)
==
# cat /etc/rc.conf 
#BAD? mysql-server=YES
mysql_server=YES
==
[r...@freebsd ~/www]# ps aux | grep -i mysql
root  52112  0,0  0,1   468   336  p4  R+   18:15 0:00,00 grep -i
mysql
==
# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start
[r...@freebsd ~/www]# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server status
# 
==

There no information in /var/log/messages either.

Any idea what I could try to investigate is going on?

Thank you for any tip.

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THE HACKINTOSH

2009-02-28 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Hello...

Seems that I was acused of warez, pirate...,


So, please if you to to the site of hackintosh, you will
see that it is a Darwin, Macos is based on Darwin, and because
of the copyright (the famous GPL...) apple must give away
the software they use to build macos...
so there is Darwin if you look at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource
it show all the Leopards including the 10.5.6 (source code)...
I did not see any restriction of use, for darwin, (well may be a commercial 
use???)

If you start with a binary version 
(http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/images/darwinx86-801.iso.gz)
please note that it comes from the apple site...
and download the last one, with some work (in reality a lot) you will
end with a Leopard (TM) without apple marks...

I do not think this is ilegal, and I am not playing warez.

In fact I am doing the same thing with opensolaris... 
get opensolaris (binary), then get the sources (from sun) and compiling the 
gnome 2.24 on top of it
may be the final product be called hacklaris
I needed it because my clients needs internet and with it a good imfamious 
flash player... that, in FreeBSD
is not available with the stability I have on solaris... in fact, it is much 
more stable than the linux version
besides the virtual  (virtualbox, xen, zones) is far more stable on 
solaris
there are places (in the corporate world...) that the SUN brand counts... and 
counts a lot...

I think also that a person jump from the microsoft cage  to the apple cage  
he still is in the cage...
Users, nowadays (even the naive ones) soon realize that they need freedom. 
We, with FreeBSD, gives
us freedom, power, ease of use... 

Sergio

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Re: [6.3] MySQL server doesn't start

2009-02-28 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Gilles wrote:
 Hello

 I successfully updated the Ports collection to compile MySQL 5.1.22,
 but even after updating /etc/rc.conf, the server doesn't start but
 doesn't say why:

 ==
 # pkg_version -v | grep -i mysql
 mysql-client-5.1.22needs updating (port has
 5.1.30)
 mysql-server-5.1.22needs updating (port has
 5.1.30)
 ==
 # cat /etc/rc.conf 
 #BAD? mysql-server=YES
 mysql_server=YES
 ==
 [r...@freebsd ~/www]# ps aux | grep -i mysql
 root  52112  0,0  0,1   468   336  p4  R+   18:15 0:00,00 grep -i
 mysql
 ==
 # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start
 [r...@freebsd ~/www]# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server status
 # 
 ==

 There no information in /var/log/messages either.

 Any idea what I could try to investigate is going on?

 Thank you for any tip.

   
The /etc/rc.conf variable should be:

mysql_enable=YES

It will start then ;)
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RE: ClamAV execusion died without error messages

2009-02-28 Thread Ming Tang
Bill,

Thank you for the response.

I tried and did not figure out where is the problem. I am attaching the
command line prompts and clamd.log and freshclam.log content here.

ns1#
ns1# ./clamav-clamd.sh status
clamav_clamd is not running.
ns1# ./clamav-clamd.sh start
Starting clamav_clamd.
LibClamAV Warning: **
LibClamAV Warning: ***  The virus database is older than 7 days!  ***
LibClamAV Warning: ***   Please update it as soon as possible.***
LibClamAV Warning: **
ns1# ./clamav-clamd.sh status
clamav_clamd is not running.
ns1#

ns1# cat clamd.log
+++ Started at Sat Feb 28 10:43:36 2009
clamd daemon 0.94.1 (OS: freebsd5.4, ARCH: i386, CPU: i386)
Running as user clamav (UID 1#, GID 1#)
Log file size limited to 1048576 bytes.
Reading databases from /var/db/clamav
Not loading PUA signatures.
Loaded 455125 signatures.
LOCAL: Removing stale socket file /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock
LOCAL: Unix socket file /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock
LOCAL: Setting connection queue length to 15
Limits: Global size limit set to 104857600 bytes.
Limits: File size limit set to 26214400 bytes.
Limits: Recursion level limit set to 16.
Limits: Files limit set to 1.
Archive support enabled.
Algorithmic detection enabled.
Portable Executable support enabled.
ELF support enabled.
Mail files support enabled.
OLE2 support enabled.
PDF support enabled.
HTML support enabled.
Self checking every 1800 seconds.

..

ns1#
ns1# ./clamav-freshclam.sh status
clamav_freshclam is not running.
ns1# ./clamav-freshclam.sh start
Starting clamav_freshclam.
ns1# ./clamav-freshclam.sh status
clamav_freshclam is not running.
ns1#

ns1# cat freshclam1.log
--
freshclam daemon 0.94.1 (OS: freebsd5.4, ARCH: i386, CPU: i386)


Thanks.

- Ming
 


-Original Message-
From: Bill Moran [mailto:wmo...@potentialtech.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:57 PM
To: mtan...@comcast.net
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: ClamAV execusion died without error messages


In response to mtan...@comcast.net:
 
 
 My server is currently running on FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #0.
 
 
 
 I installed the port software, P5-Mail-ClamAV with sendmail along with 
 others: Spamassassin and Milter etc. Everything was compiled fine, and
sendmail is working with Spamassin too. However, when I
execute clamav-clamd.sh, clamav-freshclam.sh, both software start for a very
short momonet and died without any complaims. I could not see any clamav
items running by executing 'ps -axw'.
 
 
 
 My last executed piece software, clamav-milter.sh is complaining 
 missing and waiting for a socket, clam-milter.sorc.
 
 
 
 I did configuration for sendmail, but very littler on clamav. Can 
 anyone familiar with Clamav helps to provide a clue on what is going 
 wrong?

The rc script isn't going to tell you anything.

Look at your clamd.conf to see where it's logging to, then look at the log
files to see what's going wrong.

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THE HACKINTOSH

2009-02-28 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Hello...

Seems that I was acused of warez, pirate...,


So, please if you go to the site of hackintosh, you will
see that it is a Darwin, Macos is based on Darwin, and because
of the copyright (the famous GPL...) apple must give away
the software they use to build macos...
so there is Darwin if you look at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource
it show all the Leopards including the 10.5.6 (source code)...
I did not see any restriction of use, for darwin, (well may be a commercial 
use???)

If you start with a binary version 
(http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/images/darwinx86-801.iso.gz)
please note that it comes from the apple site...
and download the last one, with some work (in reality a lot) you will
end with a Leopard (TM) without apple marks...

I do not think this is ilegal, and I am not playing warez.

In fact I am doing the same thing with opensolaris... 
get opensolaris (binary), then get the sources (from sun) and compiling the 
gnome 2.24 on top of it
may be the final product be called hacklaris
I needed it because my clients needs internet and with it a good imfamious 
flash player... that, in FreeBSD
is not available with the stability I have on solaris... in fact, it is much 
more stable than the linux version
besides the virtual  (virtualbox, xen, zones) is far more stable on 
solaris
there are places (in the corporate world...) that the SUN brand counts... and 
counts a lot...

I think also that a person jump from the microsoft cage  to the apple cage  
he still is in the cage...
Users, nowadays (even the naive ones) soon realize that they need freedom. 
We, with FreeBSD, gives
us freedom, power, ease of use... 

Sergio

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screensaver blanktime in the kernel

2009-02-28 Thread Roy Stuivenberg
 Hello,

I would like to set screensaver blanktime in the kernel.
I have daemon_saver set in the kernel also, and all the needed components in
kernel.
When I set blanktime in rc.conf, it's not working.
After reboot, daemon_saver starts at the spot, but it's not returning
anymore.
The same goes for setting blanktime with vidcontrol -t seconds
I'm working without X11, just because i like that, but prefer to have a
screensaver in the console.
After spending few days about this issue, I'm hoping someone knows the
answer to this.
Help! ;)

Regards,
Roy.
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Re: THE HACKINTOSH

2009-02-28 Thread Charlie Kester

On Sat 28 Feb 2009 at 08:54:30 PST Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:

So, please if you to to the site of hackintosh, you will see that it is
a Darwin, Macos is based on Darwin, and because of the copyright (the
famous GPL...) apple must give away the software they use to build


I believe you're right.  It's important to distinguish between Darwin,
the kernel on which OS X is based, and the full OS X suite which
includes the Quartz graphics engine and Aqua user interface.  It's only
the latter which is restricted to Apple hardware.  As long as the
Hackintosh project isn't using any of the restricted software, there
shouldn't be any license violation.

But frankly, once you give up the things that give OS X its pretty
face, you might as well install FreeBSD instead.  
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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh

--
From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:26 AM
To: Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook


Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25:

-
From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM
To: FBSD UG free...@rgbaz.eu
Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook


FBSD UG said the following on 2009-02-28 10:50:


On 27 feb 2009, at 13:39, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:


Em Sex, 2009-02-27 às 14:45 +0300, z...@zaa.pp.ru escreveu:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:04:09PM +0530, Nataraj S Narayan wrote:

Hi

I hear that Mac OS X and later ones are based on FreeBSD. My wife is
planning to get a Macbook , which I don't quite approve. Mainly
because we need to pay for any upgrade or new add ons.



Hello...


I use a free version of the Leopard based on darwin (freebsd6) named
hackintosh  it is the google,
it is free, and just works...

You can even buy a standard notebook, and install.  I will transform
the notebook in an
apple leopard 10.


Tha's, ehm, quite illegal to say the least...


Of course it isn't illegal. You can run any system you like on your own 
hardware.



unless you actually READ the licensing on OSX that says It can only be 
installed on apple brand hardware


It doesn't really matter much what they say in their eula. If i bought a 
copy then i can do/install whatever I want since there isn't any agreement 
between apple and me. For the agreement to be binding I must sign a 
contract with apple.




read the license.

PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (LICENSE) CAREFULLY BEFORE 
USING THE SOFTWARE. BY USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY 
THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html 


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Re: THE HACKINTOSH

2009-02-28 Thread Sean Cavanaugh



--
From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi le...@lzt.com.br
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:54 AM
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Subject: THE HACKINTOSH


Hello...

Seems that I was acused of warez, pirate...,


So, please if you to to the site of hackintosh, you will
see that it is a Darwin, Macos is based on Darwin, and because
of the copyright (the famous GPL...) apple must give away
the software they use to build macos...
so there is Darwin if you look at 
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource

it show all the Leopards including the 10.5.6 (source code)...
I did not see any restriction of use, for darwin, (well may be a 
commercial use???)


Apple is NOT GPL. Since the code is based on BSD Licensed code, the don't 
have to do anything they don't want to. 


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Re: THE HACKINTOSH

2009-02-28 Thread Ross Cameron
Uhm not quite Sergio please see some correction's below

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
le...@lzt.com.brwrote:

 So, please if you to to the site of hackintosh, you will
 see that it is a Darwin, Macos is based on Darwin, and because
 of the copyright (the famous GPL...) apple must give away
 the software they use to build macos...


Mac OS X is build on MACH 3.0 and FreeBSD 5

MACH 3.0, requires both a 4.3BSD license (Apple has one because of
they're A-UX project years ago) and
a MACH license (from Cernegie Mellon Univercity -- which they have
because they bought NextSTEP).

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/mach/public/FAQ/license.info

FreeBSD is BSD licensed and as a result completely free system.
http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html

As you can see there is no GPL encumbered code in the kernel/initial
userland and therefore there is no must give away anything.

Also the GPL is not a copyright it is a license. Two susinctly different
things.


 so there is Darwin if you look at
 http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource
 it show all the Leopards including the 10.5.6 (source code)...
 I did not see any restriction of use, for darwin, (well may be a commercial
 use???)


Darwin is well Darwin, Leopard is a userland codebase that sits ontop of
Darwin x.y.z

For more details : http://www.opensource.apple.com  and
http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/


 If you start with a binary version
 (http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/images/darwinx86-801.iso.gz)
 please note that it comes from the apple site...
 and download the last one, with some work (in reality a lot) you will
 end with a Leopard (TM) without apple marks...


Please see above commentary,... you will not end up with Leopard you will
land up with a Leopard-like Darwin.


 I do not think this is ilegal, and I am not playing warez.


Perfectly legal so long as you're not hacking/compiling a cracked/stolent
Aqua user interface onto you're Darwin.


 In fact I am doing the same thing with opensolaris...
 get opensolaris (binary), then get the sources (from sun) and compiling the
 gnome 2.24 on top of it
 may be the final product be called hacklaris


Why not just start with an OpenSolaris and update it??? Would save you a LOT
of work.


 I needed it because my clients needs internet and with it a good imfamious
 flash player... that, in FreeBSD
 is not available with the stability I have on solaris... in fact, it is
 much more stable than the linux version
 besides the virtual  (virtualbox, xen, zones) is far more stable on
 solaris
 there are places (in the corporate world...) that the SUN brand counts...
 and counts a lot...


None of this makes ANY sense,... I use many different Unices professionally
and see no real stability differences with Flash (maybe I just set it up
differently???)

As for the virtualization VirtualBox and Xen are cross platform so I don't
know where you're going there?

Solaris Zones are cool, but essentially replacable with BSD jails of Linux
virtual servers (not virtualized servers mind).

I think also that a person jump from the microsoft cage  to the apple
 cage  he still is in the cage...
 Users, nowadays (even the naive ones) soon realize that they need
 freedom.


Sometimes those cages (which I dont like either) provide nice
manuals/courses/user interfaces that less technical people prefer.
Lets not start an OS preeching war again lol

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   The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures.
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Re: THE HACKINTOSH

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Sergio de Almeida Lenzi le...@lzt.com.br:
 Hello...

 Seems that I was acused of warez, pirate...,


 So, please if you to to the site of hackintosh, you will
 see that it is a Darwin, Macos is based on Darwin, and because
 of the copyright (the famous GPL...) apple must give away
 the software they use to build macos...
 so there is Darwin if you look at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource
 it show all the Leopards including the 10.5.6 (source code)...
 I did not see any restriction of use, for darwin, (well may be a commercial 
 use???)

 If you start with a binary version
 (http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/images/darwinx86-801.iso.gz)
 please note that it comes from the apple site...
 and download the last one, with some work (in reality a lot) you will
 end with a Leopard (TM) without apple marks...

 I do not think this is ilegal, and I am not playing warez.

 In fact I am doing the same thing with opensolaris...
 get opensolaris (binary), then get the sources (from sun) and compiling the 
 gnome 2.24 on top of it
 may be the final product be called hacklaris
 I needed it because my clients needs internet and with it a good imfamious 
 flash player... that, in FreeBSD
 is not available with the stability I have on solaris... in fact, it is much 
 more stable than the linux version
 besides the virtual  (virtualbox, xen, zones) is far more stable on 
 solaris
 there are places (in the corporate world...) that the SUN brand counts... and 
 counts a lot...

 I think also that a person jump from the microsoft cage  to the apple 
 cage  he still is in the cage...
 Users, nowadays (even the naive ones) soon realize that they need freedom. 
 We, with FreeBSD, gives
 us freedom, power, ease of use...

 Sergio

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Your original post:

Hello...


I use a free version of the Leopard based on darwin (freebsd6) named
hackintosh  it is the google,
it is free, and just works...

You can even buy a standard notebook, and install.  I will transform
the notebook in an
apple leopard 10.

It is a DVD of 4Gb..


Sergio

--- End original post ---

There is no free version of 'the Leopard', and Darwin is NOT FreeBSD.

Your offer to 'transform the notebook into an apple leopard 10' meant
what, exactly? Put GNOME on top of Darwin, and call it Mac OS Leopard?

Also, where is this 'hackintosh' distribution? The first page of
Google from searching 'hackintosh' lead to most sites referring to
OSx86.

This is putting aside the fact that your post was useless to anyone
wanting to read anything other than 'look at me!', and completely
irrelevant to the topic at hand. And no-one said 'pirate' in the
mailing list.

Chris

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How to use portmanager/portmaster?

2009-02-28 Thread Frank Wißmann
Hi, list!
I have a problem using the above mentioned programs because there 
doesn't seem to be a manpage installed. Can anybody give me a clue on 
how to get help?

TIA Frank
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Re: How to use portmanager/portmaster?

2009-02-28 Thread Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:49:16 +0200, Frank Wißmann  
frank.wissman...@web.de wrote:



Hi, list!
I have a problem using the above mentioned programs because there
doesn't seem to be a manpage installed. Can anybody give me a clue on
how to get help?

TIA Frank



http://www.google.ro/search?hl=roq=portmanagerbtnG=C%C4%83utare+Googlemeta=



http://www.google.ro/search?hl=roq=portmasterbtnG=C%C4%83utaremeta=
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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net:
 Sean Cavanaugh skrev:
 --
 From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:26 AM
 To: Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook

 Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25:
 -
 From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM
 To: FBSD UG free...@rgbaz.eu
 Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook



 read the license.

 PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (LICENSE) CAREFULLY BEFORE
 USING THE SOFTWARE. BY USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY
 THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.

 NO. I'm not in any way binded by that eula. Those kind of non agreements
 is not legaly binding in Sweden. I MUST SIGN AN AGREEMENT to be binded
 by it.

 http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html

 They can write whatever they want. I'm not binded by it.

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Care to back that up?

Chris

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Re: kernel #4

2009-02-28 Thread Tim Judd
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote:

 Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin wrote:
 
  Hello guyz,
 
  Here's a short question (was unable to find a google)
 
  uname states my kernes as being: Freebsd-7.1-STABLE #4
 
  What exactly is that #4 mean ?
 
  Recompiled it 20 min. ago, so I figure it has something to do with
  maybe, I don't know, some sub-version of the sources ?

 No. It means that this is the fourth time that you've recompiled the
 kernel (IIRC).

 You will see #5 if you do another recompile.

 Steve


Actually this is the 5th time --- computers start counting at zero.
#0 first time
#1 second time
#2 third time
#3 fourth time
#4 fifth time  and on...

To reset this, you have to remove the build directory for the kernel and
re-config, recompile.

This number has NOTHING to do with the state of the sources, it just keeps
track of how many times the kernel has been built from the same build
directory.
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Re: kernel #4

2009-02-28 Thread Steve Bertrand
Tim Judd wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote:
 
 Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin wrote:
 Hello guyz,

 Here's a short question (was unable to find a google)

 uname states my kernes as being: Freebsd-7.1-STABLE #4

 What exactly is that #4 mean ?

 Recompiled it 20 min. ago, so I figure it has something to do with
 maybe, I don't know, some sub-version of the sources ?
 No. It means that this is the fourth time that you've recompiled the
 kernel (IIRC).


 Actually this is the 5th time --- computers start counting at zero.

Wow, what a nice technicality you have found!

If computers start counting at zero, and if the system-installed
kernel starts at zero, how many times has the user taken the bus?

;)

Steve
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Re: kernel #4

2009-02-28 Thread Tim Judd
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote:

 Tim Judd wrote:
  On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca
 wrote:
 
  Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin wrote:
  Hello guyz,
 
  Here's a short question (was unable to find a google)
 
  uname states my kernes as being: Freebsd-7.1-STABLE #4
 
  What exactly is that #4 mean ?
 
  Recompiled it 20 min. ago, so I figure it has something to do with
  maybe, I don't know, some sub-version of the sources ?
  No. It means that this is the fourth time that you've recompiled the
  kernel (IIRC).
 

  Actually this is the 5th time --- computers start counting at zero.

 Wow, what a nice technicality you have found!

 If computers start counting at zero, and if the system-installed
 kernel starts at zero, how many times has the user taken the bus?

 ;)



int rand($infinity);

Hope that satisfies you.  If not, the answer to it is 42.  See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/guide/answer.shtml


Thank you for your time :)
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Re: How to use portmanager/portmaster?

2009-02-28 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 07:49:16PM +0100, Frank Wißmann wrote:
 Hi, list!
 I have a problem using the above mentioned programs because there 
 doesn't seem to be a manpage installed. Can anybody give me a clue on 
 how to get help?

Both do have manpages. What kind of error do you get when you try
e.g. 'man portmaster'? It might be that your manual pages setup is broken.

You can read the manpage with the following command sequence:

  gzip -cd /usr/local/man/man8/portmaster.8.gz | groff -Tascii -man | less

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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
 NO. I'm not in any way binded by that eula. Those kind of non agreements
 is not legaly binding in Sweden. I MUST SIGN AN AGREEMENT to be binded
 by it.

That.
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Re: kernel #4

2009-02-28 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:47:27 -0500, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote:
 Tim Judd wrote:
  Actually this is the 5th time --- computers start counting at zero.
 
 Wow, what a nice technicality you have found!
 
 If computers start counting at zero, and if the system-installed
 kernel starts at zero, how many times has the user taken the bus?

And how does the computer count more than 1 (which is 2) when
he does only understand 0 and 1? :-)



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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net:
 Lord Blackadder skrev:
 Bernt Hansson wrote:
 Sean Cavanaugh skrev:
 --
 From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:26 AM
 To: Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook

 Sean Cavanaugh said the following on 2009-02-28 16:25:
 -
 From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:32 AM
 To: FBSD UG free...@rgbaz.eu
 Cc: freebsd-questions questi...@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Ports on Macbook
 read the license.

 PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (LICENSE) CAREFULLY BEFORE
 USING THE SOFTWARE. BY USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY
 THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.
 NO. I'm not in any way binded by that eula. Those kind of non agreements
 is not legaly binding in Sweden. I MUST SIGN AN AGREEMENT to be binded
 by it.

 http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosx.html
 They can write whatever they want. I'm not binded by it.

 I'm sorry to disappoint you, Bernt, but under Swedish law any kind of
 agreement is legally binding. Even just a handshake.

 Yes. But clicking yes or no is not a handshake or oral agreement
 acording to Swedish law.

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Again, back it up? You're just expecting us to believe your
interpretation of the law.

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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net:
 Chris Rees skrev:
 NO. I'm not in any way binded by that eula. Those kind of non agreements
 is not legaly binding in Sweden. I MUST SIGN AN AGREEMENT to be binded
 by it.

 That.

 OK.

 http://www.marknadsdomstolen.se/


I can't find anything on that site referring to that. I'm off now
anyway, perhaps I'll reply in the morning if there's any real proof.

Chris

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where is gtk+-2?

2009-02-28 Thread gahn

Hi all:

Which is the package gtk+-2 located under /usr/ports?

Thanks

 


  
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Re: How to use portmanager/portmaster?

2009-02-28 Thread Frank Wißmann
Am Samstag 28 Februar 2009 21:42:35 schrieb Roland Smith:
 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 07:49:16PM +0100, Frank Wißmann wrote:
  Hi, list!
  I have a problem using the above mentioned programs because there
  doesn't seem to be a manpage installed. Can anybody give me a clue
  on how to get help?

 Both do have manpages. What kind of error do you get when you try
 e.g. 'man portmaster'? It might be that your manual pages setup is
 broken.
I get the message No manual entry for portmaster, but using your 
command I can read it. man man e. g. works perfectly.
But there comes up another question (or two):
How can I use it with all ports/packages?
And will it upgrade my packages too, or is there something special I 
have to look for, because I have mostly installed by pkg_add -r?

TIA Frank

 You can read the manpage with the following command sequence:

   gzip -cd /usr/local/man/man8/portmaster.8.gz | groff -Tascii -man |
 less

 Roland



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Re: where is gtk+-2?

2009-02-28 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:10:01 -0800 (PST), gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi all:
 
 Which is the package gtk+-2 located under /usr/ports?

Are you searching for /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20?

From the pkg-descr file: GTK+ essentially provides the building
blocks from which GUIs can be built. [...] GTK+-2 is a very stable
release, similar only in design to GTK+-1. GTK+-2 can coexist happily
alongside GTK+-1, but applications are written for one version or
the other.



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Re: where is gtk+-2?

2009-02-28 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:10:01 -0800 (PST)
gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Which is the package gtk+-2 located under /usr/ports?

/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20

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Re: How to use portmanager/portmaster?

2009-02-28 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:08:45PM +0100, Frank Wißmann wrote:
 Am Samstag 28 Februar 2009 21:42:35 schrieb Roland Smith:
  On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 07:49:16PM +0100, Frank Wißmann wrote:
   Hi, list!
   I have a problem using the above mentioned programs because there
   doesn't seem to be a manpage installed. Can anybody give me a clue
   on how to get help?
 
  Both do have manpages. What kind of error do you get when you try
  e.g. 'man portmaster'? It might be that your manual pages setup is
  broken.
 I get the message No manual entry for portmaster, but using your 
 command I can read it. man man e. g. works perfectly.

That sounds to me that the configuration for the man command is
broken. If you give the 'manpath' command, does the output include
/usr/local/man? If not, add the following lines to /etc/manpath.config:

OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/man
MANPATH_MAP /usr/local/bin  /usr/local/man

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Re: How to use portmanager/portmaster?

2009-02-28 Thread Frank Wißmann
Am Samstag 28 Februar 2009 22:39:26 schrieb Roland Smith:
 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:08:45PM +0100, Frank Wißmann wrote:
  Am Samstag 28 Februar 2009 21:42:35 schrieb Roland Smith:
   On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 07:49:16PM +0100, Frank Wißmann wrote:
Hi, list!
I have a problem using the above mentioned programs because
there doesn't seem to be a manpage installed. Can anybody give
me a clue on how to get help?
  
   Both do have manpages. What kind of error do you get when you try
   e.g. 'man portmaster'? It might be that your manual pages setup
   is broken.
 
  I get the message No manual entry for portmaster, but using your
  command I can read it. man man e. g. works perfectly.

 That sounds to me that the configuration for the man command is
 broken. If you give the 'manpath' command, does the output include
 /usr/local/man? If not, add the following lines to
 /etc/manpath.config:

 OPTIONAL_MANPATH/usr/local/man
 MANPATH_MAP /usr/local/bin  /usr/local/man

 Roland

manpath does show correct settings AFAIK meaning that the answer to 
your question is yes.

Frank

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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Chris Rees
2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net:
 Chris Rees skrev:
 2009/2/28 Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net:
 Lord Blackadder skrev:
 Bernt Hansson wrote:
 Sean Cavanaugh skrev:

 I'm sorry to disappoint you, Bernt, but under Swedish law any kind of
 agreement is legally binding. Even just a handshake.

 Yes. But clicking yes or no is not a handshake or oral agreement
 acording to Swedish law.


 Again, back it up? You're just expecting us to believe your
 interpretation of the law.

 Who's interpretation are you in comfort with? Your own? Sombody else, a
 lawyer? A pornstar?


That passage says that any agreement with the knowledge of the
relationship in good faith is valid.

Where does it mention the difference between a click-through licence
and an oral agreement? I'm getting bored of your deflection, and I'm
sure everyone else is.

Though a test case would be nice. Has anyone been lunatic enough to
try taking it to court? Otherwise a clicked Yes counts as an
agreement made in good faith.

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Re: where is gtk+-2?

2009-02-28 Thread gahn

Thanks!!!


--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de
 Subject: Re: where is gtk+-2?
 To: ipfr...@yahoo.com
 Cc: freebsd general questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 1:12 PM
 On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:10:01 -0800 (PST), gahn
 ipfr...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Hi all:
  
  Which is the package gtk+-2 located under /usr/ports?
 
 Are you searching for /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20?
 
 From the pkg-descr file: GTK+ essentially provides
 the building
 blocks from which GUIs can be built. [...] GTK+-2 is a very
 stable
 release, similar only in design to GTK+-1. GTK+-2 can
 coexist happily
 alongside GTK+-1, but applications are written for one
 version or
 the other.
 
 
 
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xi?

2009-02-28 Thread gahn

Hi all:

I am rebuilding those ports and run into some problems. one of those is:

checking for XINPUT... configure: error: Package requirements (x11 xext xi = 
1.2 inputproto = 1.5) were not met:

Requested 'xi = 1.2' but version of Xi is 1.1.3

searching for a while and can't find this xi. how could I upgrade this xi?

Thanks


  
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Re: How to use portmanager/portmaster?

2009-02-28 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:33:01PM +0100, Frank Wißmann wrote:
Both do have manpages. What kind of error do you get when you try
e.g. 'man portmaster'? It might be that your manual pages setup
is broken.
  
   I get the message No manual entry for portmaster, but using your
   command I can read it. man man e. g. works perfectly.
 
  That sounds to me that the configuration for the man command is
  broken. If you give the 'manpath' command, does the output include
  /usr/local/man?

 manpath does show correct settings AFAIK meaning that the answer to 
 your question is yes.

Try running (in tcsh) 'man -d portmaster  man-portmaster.txt'. This
will tell you where man(1) is looking for the portmaster manual
file. Among the text in man-portmaster.txt should be something like
this:

 searching in /usr/local/man
 trying section 8 with globbing
 globbing /usr/local/man/man8/portmaster.8*
 found ultimate source file /usr/local/man/man8/portmaster.8.gz
 to_name in convert_name () is: /usr/local/man/cat8/portmaster.8.gz
 will try to write /usr/local/man/cat8/portmaster.8.gz if needed
 status from is_newer() = -2
 using default preprocessor sequence
 found tbl(1) directive
 Couldn't open /usr/local/man/cat8/portmaster.8.gz.tmp5XCE4n for writing.
 using default preprocessor sequence
 found tbl(1) directive

 trying command: (cd /usr/local/man ; /usr/bin/zcat 
/usr/local/man/man8/portmaster.8.gz | /usr/bin/tbl | /usr/bin/groff -S -Wall 
-mtty-char -man -Tascii | /usr/bin/col | less)

It should at least contain the first three lines. If not, man isn't
searching the right directory.

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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:26:57 +0100
Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net wrote:

[snip]

It doesn't really matter much what they say in their eula. If i bought
a copy then i can do/install whatever I want since there isn't any 
agreement between apple and me. For the agreement to be binding I must 
sign a contract with apple.

That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply
open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the
EULA.

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Re: [6.3] MySQL server doesn't start

2009-02-28 Thread Gilles
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:30:06 +0200, Manolis Kiagias
sonic200...@gmail.com wrote:
 # cat /etc/rc.conf 
 #BAD? mysql-server=YES
 mysql_server=YES
The /etc/rc.conf variable should be:

mysql_enable=YES

It will start then ;)

Makes sense :-/ Thanks for the prompt reply.

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Apache

2009-02-28 Thread Monty Pyth
Does anybody know what file Apache reads to get the time zone offset for the 
httpd-access.log?

68.10.25.173 - - [10/Oct/2000:13:55:36 -0500] GET /apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0 200 
2326 http://www.example.com/start.html; Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I ;Nav)

Where does Apache get the -0500 from?


  
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Apache

2009-02-28 Thread Monty Pyth
Does anyone know what file Apache checks to get the time zone offset for 
httpd-access.log? 

65.223.44.56 - frank [10/Oct/2000:13:55:36 -0500] GET /apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0 
200 2326 http://www.example.com/start.html; Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I ;Nav)
 
Where does Apache get the -0500 from? I know many people say the system clock, 
but what file is it checking for that?



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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread perryh
Chris Rees googlemail.com!utis...@agora.rdrop.com wrote:

 That passage says that any agreement with the knowledge of the
 relationship in good faith is valid.

 Where does it mention the difference between a click-through
 licence and an oral agreement?

With apologies to a certain former U.S. President, that may depend
on the definitions of the terms.  Does someone who simply clicks
yes, without actually reading the license first, have knowledge
of the relationship?  Does someone who clicks yes, while having
no intention to comply with the terms, act in good faith?

For that matter, does Apple -- having never met the clicker in
person or even on line -- have knowledge of the relationship?

 Though a test case would be nice. Has anyone been lunatic
 enough to try taking it to court?

Given the nature of the situation, I'd think the only party likely
to take it to court would be Apple.  You seem to be saying that
they would be crazy to do so.  I suspect the OP would agree :)

 Otherwise a clicked Yes counts as an agreement made in good faith.

Are you qualified to give legal advice concerning Swedish law?

I am not, but I would guess that you could well be right *if* Sweden
has adopted something similar to DMCA; otherwise I am not so sure.
(I don't suppose the U.S. would have adopted DMCA unless it had been
thought to produce substantially different results than the previous
copyright law.)
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Re: Apache

2009-02-28 Thread Jon Radel

Monty Pyth wrote:
Does anyone know what file Apache checks to get the time zone offset for httpd-access.log? 


65.223.44.56 - frank [10/Oct/2000:13:55:36 -0500] GET /apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0 200 2326 
http://www.example.com/start.html; Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I ;Nav)
 
Where does Apache get the -0500 from? I know many people say the system clock, but what file is it checking for that?


Why must it be getting it from a file?  See, for example,

man 2 gettimeofday

which is a call in the standard C library that returns the time in GMT 
*and* the time zone the system clock is set to.  Now, if you were to 
tell us that your system isn't set to EST (or current equivalent), then 
this becomes a more interesting conversation


Or is your question how to reset the time zone for your overall system?

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Re: Apache

2009-02-28 Thread Lars Eighner

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009, Monty Pyth wrote:


Does anybody know what file Apache reads to get the time zone offset for
the httpd-access.log?


Just a shot in the dark, but why would it get this info from a file instead
of date?  (Which in turn depends on the TZ environmenal variable if it is
set and info from the system clock and kernel variables.  Date can set the
kernel values or the system clock, or you can use the ConfigureTime Zone
option in /usr/bin/sysinstall.


68.10.25.173 - - [10/Oct/2000:13:55:36 -0500] GET /apache_pb.gif
HTTP/1.0 200 2326 http://www.example.com/start.html; Mozilla/4.08 [en]
(Win98; I ;Nav)



Where does Apache get the -0500 from?


See what date '+%z' gets you.

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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Polytropon
I don#t want to interrupt. I just like to say that this kind of
discussion already took place.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:45:45 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Does someone who simply clicks
 yes, without actually reading the license first, have knowledge
 of the relationship?

Can Your Cat Agree to an EULA?
http://www.osnews.com/comments/21010



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Re: Apache

2009-02-28 Thread Vinicius Vianna

Monty Pyth escreveu:
Does anyone know what file Apache checks to get the time zone offset for httpd-access.log? 


65.223.44.56 - frank [10/Oct/2000:13:55:36 -0500] GET /apache_pb.gif HTTP/1.0 200 2326 
http://www.example.com/start.html; Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; I ;Nav)
 
Where does Apache get the -0500 from? I know many people say the system clock, but what file is it checking for that?
  
Maybe you should take a look at /etc/localtime, if you wanna change the 
timezone just copy some zone from /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime.
Your question was about this right? if apache is getting other timezone 
than 'date' there's something wrong there.


HTH

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Re: Xorg package update

2009-02-28 Thread matt donovan
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Fbsd1 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote:

 When is the the X-Org mega package going to be recreated so it contains all
 the fixes caused by 7.1 release as detailed in /usr/ports/UPDATEING?
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it's been getting remade almost every day or so
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Re: xi?

2009-02-28 Thread Glyn Millington
gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com writes:

 Hi all:

 I am rebuilding those ports and run into some problems. one of those
 is:

 checking for XINPUT... configure: error: Package requirements (x11 xext
 xi = 1.2 inputproto = 1.5) were not met:

 Requested 'xi = 1.2' but version of Xi is 1.1.3

 searching for a while and can't find this xi. how could I upgrade
 this xi?

/usr/ports/X11/libXi  would be my guess :-)


You may need to update your ports tree.


atb

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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Charles Oppermann
  That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply
  open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the
  EULA.

 Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in Sweden.

That would be tantamount to allowing software piracy in Sweden.  The Mac OS X 
license agreements are contained in a PDF file here:

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf

There is a Swedish language agreement for sales in Sweden.  Using on-line 
translation tools, it appears to be similar to what's already been stated; 
use of the software consistutes acceptance of the agreement.  If you do not 
agree, you are requested to return the software.  Presumably, the retail 
materials contain this agreement, and I'm sure there is digital copy that is 
presented and must be agreed to before use.

I'm sure that Apple has very good lawyers who drafted the license agreements 
and are aware of Swedish law.  While what you are doing may or may not be in 
violation of any licenses, your position that clicking yes or no is not a 
handshake or oral agreement acording to Swedish law seems dubious and 
ill-advised.

Consider what you're suggesting:  If EULA's and license agreements simply 
weren't valid in Sweden, then what would prevent massive piracy from 
occuring?  I would assume that if license agreements in Sweden weren't 
enforcable, someone would be setting up their own software copying business.

...and if that happened, I would expect software companies to change their 
license agreements in order to prevent it.  

 If you are under 18 you can't make any 
 legally binding agreements without your legal guardians permission.

That might be true, but at least in the United States, parents or guardians 
are usually held responsible.
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A problem about pkg_deinstall

2009-02-28 Thread lacalling
I have some problems about pkg_deinstall.

pkg_deinstall -R deletes packages depended recursively.

but it seems to crashes some other packages.

for example,i installed pkg A,it depends on pkg b,c,d.

pkg_deinstall -R will deletes A,b,c,d.

but if b is depended by some other pkg X which i use,X probably will crash.

i read man pkg_deinstall,but got no further info.

could anyone kindly help me to find out how to delete pkgs only depended by
A?
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Re: Ports on Macbook

2009-02-28 Thread Adam Vande More

Charles Oppermann wrote:

That depends on where you are domiciled. Under certain scenarios, simply
open the box, or installing the software constitutes acceptance of the
EULA.
  

Yes I'm aware of that, but that kind of agreement isn't valid in Sweden.



That would be tantamount to allowing software piracy in Sweden.  The Mac OS X 
license agreements are contained in a PDF file here:


http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf

There is a Swedish language agreement for sales in Sweden.  Using on-line 
translation tools, it appears to be similar to what's already been stated; 
use of the software consistutes acceptance of the agreement.  If you do not 
agree, you are requested to return the software.  Presumably, the retail 
materials contain this agreement, and I'm sure there is digital copy that is 
presented and must be agreed to before use.


I'm sure that Apple has very good lawyers who drafted the license agreements 
and are aware of Swedish law.  While what you are doing may or may not be in 
violation of any licenses, your position that clicking yes or no is not a 
handshake or oral agreement acording to Swedish law seems dubious and 
ill-advised.


Consider what you're suggesting:  If EULA's and license agreements simply 
weren't valid in Sweden, then what would prevent massive piracy from 
occuring?  I would assume that if license agreements in Sweden weren't 
enforcable, someone would be setting up their own software copying business.


...and if that happened, I would expect software companies to change their 
license agreements in order to prevent it.  

  
If you are under 18 you can't make any 
legally binding agreements without your legal guardians permission.

This list is great for many reasons.  This thread is not one of them.  
Trying to convince people to use Hackintosh is about as ridiculous as 
using on-line translation tool to deliver a rendition on Swedish law.


Surely there is a better forum to debate this?  Like off-list...
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Re: A problem about pkg_deinstall

2009-02-28 Thread Michael Powell
lacalling wrote:

 I have some problems about pkg_deinstall.
 
 pkg_deinstall -R deletes packages depended recursively.
 
 but it seems to crashes some other packages.
 
 for example,i installed pkg A,it depends on pkg b,c,d.
 
 pkg_deinstall -R will deletes A,b,c,d.
 
 but if b is depended by some other pkg X which i use,X probably will
 crash.
 
 i read man pkg_deinstall,but got no further info.
 
 could anyone kindly help me to find out how to delete pkgs only depended
 by A?

 -r
 --recursive Deinstall all those packages depending on the given
 packages as well.

 -R
 --upward-recursive  Deinstall all those packages required by the given
 packages as well.

Makes a difference on whether the R is upper or lower case.

-Mike



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Re: A problem about pkg_deinstall

2009-02-28 Thread Mel
On Saturday 28 February 2009 21:55:43 lacalling wrote:
 I have some problems about pkg_deinstall.

 pkg_deinstall -R deletes packages depended recursively.

 but it seems to crashes some other packages.

 for example,i installed pkg A,it depends on pkg b,c,d.

 pkg_deinstall -R will deletes A,b,c,d.

 but if b is depended by some other pkg X which i use,X probably will crash.

Aside what Michael pointed out, ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves is much easier for 
this task. It will only delete leaves, so if b is still needed by X, it will 
not come up on the next iteration. And you get to see the short description 
of the package, so may decide to keep it anyway...
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