how to recover after power outage

2009-04-05 Thread John Almberg
Blast... my beautiful FreeBSD servers were rudely switched off when  
my data had a power outage a couple hours ago. They restored power  
about 30 minutes later, and one box came up no problem.


The other has a login prompt on the serial console, but my login does  
not work. I get a Login incorrect message, even though the username/ 
password is correct.


When I try to SSH into the box, I get this (server name changed):

$ ssh u...@example.com -p 48420
ssh: connect to host example.com port 48420: Connection refused

In other words, I seem to be locked out.

I don't want to do anything drastic without having a good idea what  
I'm doing. Any suggestions, much appreciated.


-- John

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I would like to know about tracing system call in FreeBSD.

2009-04-05 Thread hjung20
Dear,

I have tried to trace system call using C language.

I would like to detect privilege escalation through traceing system call.
Although freebsd announce the patch of telnet demon to remove malicious access 
to esaclate privilege, I would like to implement the detecting program.

My idea is if I detect the change of uid of process then I can recongnize the 
privilege escalation.

I would like to get the program guide or document of kernel program of freebsd.

Sincere.

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Re: Critical : My X went down

2009-04-05 Thread Paul B. Mahol
On 4/5/09, manish jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 In attempting to unlock some Python related mysteries (which neither
 python-list nor python-help would respond to despite repeated queries),
 I found myself recursively portupgrading myself right up the xorg
 distribution. That wasn't half as bad as the fact that - after all that
 effort - X does not even start now.

Use vesa driver instead, and direct intel driver questions to Xorg lists.
i810, driver that you used with old Xorg is abandoned and replaced with intel.


-- 
Paul
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Re: Updating Perl..

2009-04-05 Thread Matthew Seaman

Leslie Jensen wrote:

Hello list.

When one updates perl, one should rebuild all ports dependend on perl 
according to the UPDATING file.


I'm just wondering, isn't the script perl-after-upgrade supposed to do 
the work needed, so that one can save the time of upgrading the ports?


It depends on the upgrade.  For 5.8.8 - 5.8.9 then perl-after-upgrade
works fine: this is because there is binary compatibility so that .so
modules compiled for 5.8.8 will load just fine into 5.8.9. The work of
perl-after-upgrade is simply to move files from
/usr/local/lib/perl/site_perl/5.8.8 to .../5.8.9

For the upgrade from 5.8.[89] to 5.10.0, there is no binary compatibility
so all perl modules that install loadable binaries will have to be
recompiled.  Rather than trying to produce a long list of what modules
are pure perl and what aren't the advice is simply to reinstall everything.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: how to recover after power outage

2009-04-05 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 2:59 AM, John Almberg jalmb...@identry.com wrote:
 Blast... my beautiful FreeBSD servers were rudely switched off when my data
 had a power outage a couple hours ago. They restored power about 30 minutes
 later, and one box came up no problem.

 The other has a login prompt on the serial console, but my login does not
 work. I get a Login incorrect message, even though the username/password
 is correct.


Can you log in as *any* user?  Even root login fails?

 When I try to SSH into the box, I get this (server name changed):

 $ ssh u...@example.com -p 48420
 ssh: connect to host example.com port 48420: Connection refused

 In other words, I seem to be locked out.

 I don't want to do anything drastic without having a good idea what I'm
 doing. Any suggestions, much appreciated.


What was the previous (estimated) uptime on the machine?  In other
words, did you change something and not/forget to restart the service?
 Have you tried ssh-ing to port 22 to see if the setting was changed
back to default?

Are there any other services on this box?  If so, are they running?


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Re: how to recover after power outage

2009-04-05 Thread John Almberg


On Apr 5, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Glen Barber wrote:

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 2:59 AM, John Almberg jalmb...@identry.com  
wrote:
Blast... my beautiful FreeBSD servers were rudely switched off  
when my data
had a power outage a couple hours ago. They restored power about  
30 minutes

later, and one box came up no problem.

The other has a login prompt on the serial console, but my login  
does not
work. I get a Login incorrect message, even though the username/ 
password

is correct.



Can you log in as *any* user?  Even root login fails?


Can't log in at all.




When I try to SSH into the box, I get this (server name changed):

$ ssh u...@example.com -p 48420
ssh: connect to host example.com port 48420: Connection refused

In other words, I seem to be locked out.

I don't want to do anything drastic without having a good idea  
what I'm

doing. Any suggestions, much appreciated.



What was the previous (estimated) uptime on the machine?


Several months, at least.


In other
words, did you change something and not/forget to restart the service?


I don't believe so, but if I forgot it, then I guess anything is  
possible.



 Have you tried ssh-ing to port 22 to see if the setting was changed
back to default?


I can't at the moment, because the guys at NYI are working on the  
box. They have run fsck, which doesn't seem to have solved the problem.




Are there any other services on this box?  If so, are they running?


The main app is MySQL. I don't think it is running, but can't really  
tell unless I can log in.


I have backups, and while NYI is trying to get this box running, I'm  
setting up a new database server, just in case...


-- John

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ipfw: bandwidth limiting

2009-04-05 Thread Martin Schweizer
Hello

My system:
FreeBSD firewall 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #3: Fri Feb  6 
10:47:08 CET 2009 mar...@firewall:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FREEBSD_AMD64  amd64

I use the following rule in my /etc/rc.firewall:

[snip]
$ipfwcmd pipe 1 config bw 80KByte/s
$ipfwcmd add pipe 1 ip from any to 192.168.10.0/24{100-254} via em1
[snip]

I'm not sure it works. When I do a large download which takes long and 
anybody else want download too, this download will only get a reduce 
bandwidth. I expect that the second download get same rate as the first one 
(and reduce the bandwidth from the first one). Is that correct? 

Kind regards,
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Re: how to recover after power outage

2009-04-05 Thread Michael Powell
John Almberg wrote:

 
 On Apr 5, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Glen Barber wrote:
 
 On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 2:59 AM, John Almberg jalmb...@identry.com
 wrote:
 Blast... my beautiful FreeBSD servers were rudely switched off
 when my data
 had a power outage a couple hours ago. They restored power about
 30 minutes
 later, and one box came up no problem.

 The other has a login prompt on the serial console, but my login
 does not
 work. I get a Login incorrect message, even though the username/
 password
 is correct.


 Can you log in as *any* user?  Even root login fails?
 
 Can't log in at all.
 

 When I try to SSH into the box, I get this (server name changed):

 $ ssh u...@example.com -p 48420
 ssh: connect to host example.com port 48420: Connection refused

 In other words, I seem to be locked out.

 I don't want to do anything drastic without having a good idea
 what I'm
 doing. Any suggestions, much appreciated.


 What was the previous (estimated) uptime on the machine?
 
 Several months, at least.
 
 In other
 words, did you change something and not/forget to restart the service?
 
 I don't believe so, but if I forgot it, then I guess anything is
 possible.
 
  Have you tried ssh-ing to port 22 to see if the setting was changed
 back to default?
 
 I can't at the moment, because the guys at NYI are working on the
 box. They have run fsck, which doesn't seem to have solved the problem.
 

 Are there any other services on this box?  If so, are they running?
 
 The main app is MySQL. I don't think it is running, but can't really
 tell unless I can log in.
 
 I have backups, and while NYI is trying to get this box running, I'm
 setting up a new database server, just in case...
 

If you were lucky having the guys at NYI login to single user mode at the 
console and run fsck in an attempt to clear up minor file system damage 
would have squared things away. MySQL is not real happy if there has been fs 
damage to the underlying files and their .bin logs.

However, not being able to log in to a basic service like SSH is not good. 
Whether or not MySQL wants to come up SSH should still be working. In the 
end the guys at NYI are probably going to have to do a full system load and 
restore the last backup, and/or replace defective hardware.

I have seen old hard drives in RAID arrays that had perked along for years 
show no hint of any problem. Power down the machine to do something like 
blow the dust out or stick in some more memory sticks and it won't come up 
again. Had I not powered down it may have happily run a while longer. I have 
seen drives fail like this before, especially when they are fairly old. At 
this stage you can only emit SIGH and replace/rebuild.

But if the NYI guys are responsible for providing you with a running system 
the onus is on them to get it going again, at least up to a certain point. 
After that you would need to pick up and carry the ball the rest of the way.

-Mike




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Re: I would like to know about tracing system call in FreeBSD.

2009-04-05 Thread Ivan Voras
hjun...@illinois.edu wrote:
 Dear,
 
 I have tried to trace system call using C language.
 
 I would like to detect privilege escalation through traceing system call.
 Although freebsd announce the patch of telnet demon to remove malicious 
 access to esaclate privilege, I would like to implement the detecting program.
 
 My idea is if I detect the change of uid of process then I can recongnize the 
 privilege escalation.

Maybe the audit(4) framework will be useful to you.



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Re: Critical : My X went down

2009-04-05 Thread manish jain

Paul B. Mahol wrote:

On 4/5/09, manish jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

In attempting to unlock some Python related mysteries (which neither
python-list nor python-help would respond to despite repeated queries),
I found myself recursively portupgrading myself right up the xorg
distribution. That wasn't half as bad as the fact that - after all that
effort - X does not even start now.


Use vesa driver instead, and direct intel driver questions to Xorg lists.
i810, driver that you used with old Xorg is abandoned and replaced with intel.




Hello Paul,

Thanks for the information. But, as for the plan of action, I think I'll 
go the other way round. I'll reinstall FreeBSD 7.1 from scratch and just 
make sure nobody ever touches my xorg setup again. I could upgrade my 
system, yes, but my Celeron Coppermine 800 MHz + Intel 810-based 
motherboard system was running just as fast as the fancy 2.0 GHz PC's at 
IBM where I was working last year.


BTW, I seriously wish I were a billionaire so that I could help FreeBSD 
get rid of this X client-server nuisance forever. I have never seen 
anything so ill-conceived, pathetically fragmented (modular is the 
polite way of referring to it), inefficient and featureless.


The Mission looks Impossible-3 but, for starters, I just got a job offer 
yesterday from a multinational where the pay is roughly 50% higher.


So maybe, someday,  ... :-)

--

Thank you and Regards
Manish Jain
invalid.poin...@gmail.com
+91-99830-62246

NB : Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won.
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Re: ipfw: bandwidth limiting

2009-04-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

[snip]
$ipfwcmd pipe 1 config bw 80KByte/s
$ipfwcmd add pipe 1 ip from any to 192.168.10.0/24{100-254} via em1
[snip]

I'm not sure it works. When I do a large download which takes long and
anybody else want download too, this download will only get a reduce
bandwidth. I expect that the second download get same rate as the first one
(and reduce the bandwidth from the first one). Is that correct?


your example limits it all to 80kB/s but does no traffic management. so it 
may get the same rate (half by half) or may not.



do

$ipfwcmd pipe 1 config bw 80kByte/s
$ipfwcmd queue 1 config pipe 1 weight 1  mask dst-ip 0x
$ipfwcmd add queue 1 ip from any to 192.168.10.0/24{100-254} via em1

this will limit them to 80kB/s and perform fair-sharing based of hosts.

for example if one user on one computer will start 100 downloads, and 
other on other computer will start 1 download, this will ensure that first 
user will not takeover most bandwidth.

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range of IPs in rc.conf

2009-04-05 Thread luc...@lastdot.org

Hi,

I need to use around 30 IPs on a freebsd 7 machine. Is there a way to 
avoid adding 30 lines of aliases in rc.conf? On RedHat/Centos I use this 
trick:

http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/RangeOfIpsOnEthx

Anything similar available for FreeBSD?

Thanks
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Re: range of IPs in rc.conf

2009-04-05 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:46 AM, luc...@lastdot.org luc...@lastdot.org wrote:
 Hi,

 I need to use around 30 IPs on a freebsd 7 machine. Is there a way to avoid
 adding 30 lines of aliases in rc.conf? On RedHat/Centos I use this trick:
 http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/RangeOfIpsOnEthx


You could create a customized rc file (I personally use rc.local)
which will be run at boot.  You could then use #!/bin/sh and a 'for'
loop to create the devices.

IMHO, this solution is a lot uglier than 30 extra lines in rc.conf.

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Re: range of IPs in rc.conf

2009-04-05 Thread Matthew Seaman

Glen Barber wrote:

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:46 AM, luc...@lastdot.org luc...@lastdot.org wrote:

Hi,

I need to use around 30 IPs on a freebsd 7 machine. Is there a way to avoid
adding 30 lines of aliases in rc.conf? On RedHat/Centos I use this trick:
http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/RangeOfIpsOnEthx



You could create a customized rc file (I personally use rc.local)
which will be run at boot.  You could then use #!/bin/sh and a 'for'
loop to create the devices.

IMHO, this solution is a lot uglier than 30 extra lines in rc.conf.



If this is a contiguous range of IPs, then use the ipv4_addrs_ifN 
construct, which you can read all about in rc.conf(5).  Eg:


ipv4_addrs_em0=192.168.64.33-63/24

Cheers,

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Re: range of IPs in rc.conf

2009-04-05 Thread luc...@lastdot.org

Matthew Seaman wrote:

Glen Barber wrote:
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 7:46 AM, luc...@lastdot.org 
luc...@lastdot.org wrote:

Hi,

I need to use around 30 IPs on a freebsd 7 machine. Is there a way to 
avoid
adding 30 lines of aliases in rc.conf? On RedHat/Centos I use this 
trick:

http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/RangeOfIpsOnEthx



You could create a customized rc file (I personally use rc.local)
which will be run at boot.  You could then use #!/bin/sh and a 'for'
loop to create the devices.

IMHO, this solution is a lot uglier than 30 extra lines in rc.conf.



If this is a contiguous range of IPs, then use the ipv4_addrs_ifN 
construct, which you can read all about in rc.conf(5).  Eg:


ipv4_addrs_em0=192.168.64.33-63/24

Cheers,

Matthew



Wow, great, that's what I was looking for!

Thanks much, guys!

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Re: Recovering partitions from disk image? *resolved*

2009-04-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
so write a short article about how you did this and why using hardware 
RAID solutions is bad, and put it on your website.


it's AT LEAST funny that your hardware raid instead of protecting - 
rendered your data inaccessible.

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Re: how to recover after power outage

2009-04-05 Thread John Almberg


The main app is MySQL. I don't think it is running, but can't really
tell unless I can log in.

I have backups, and while NYI is trying to get this box running, I'm
setting up a new database server, just in case...



If you were lucky having the guys at NYI login to single user mode  
at the
console and run fsck in an attempt to clear up minor file system  
damage
would have squared things away. MySQL is not real happy if there  
has been fs

damage to the underlying files and their .bin logs.

However, not being able to log in to a basic service like SSH is  
not good.
Whether or not MySQL wants to come up SSH should still be working.  
In the
end the guys at NYI are probably going to have to do a full system  
load and

restore the last backup, and/or replace defective hardware.

I have seen old hard drives in RAID arrays that had perked along  
for years
show no hint of any problem. Power down the machine to do something  
like
blow the dust out or stick in some more memory sticks and it won't  
come up
again. Had I not powered down it may have happily run a while  
longer. I have
seen drives fail like this before, especially when they are fairly  
old. At

this stage you can only emit SIGH and replace/rebuild.

But if the NYI guys are responsible for providing you with a  
running system
the onus is on them to get it going again, at least up to a certain  
point.
After that you would need to pick up and carry the ball the rest of  
the way.


Okay, so the machine is back online and I can log in again.

The hardware is only 18 months old or so... good quality stuff, so  
hopefully nothing is physically damaged. We'll see...


Unfortunately, mysql isn't working at the moment... will make a  
backup of data (I have the previous night's backup, of course, but  
would like the latest, if possible.) Then will try to figure out  
what's working and what's not.


-- John

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ULI M526x NIC on *BSD

2009-04-05 Thread Tom
Hi,

Is the ULI M526x NIC somehow supported with *BSD?

The m526x belongs to the 'tulip'-family with the linux-kernel.

Its not in the hardware compatibility list, so I'm not really counting
on it, but what are the chances of seeing support?

Is there maybe a way to 'port' the linux driver?
I've heard about linux compatibility layer, but I suspect its not meant
for linux kernel modules...

Thanks for any pointers!

Tom
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Re: how to recover after power outage

2009-04-05 Thread Michael Powell
John Almberg wrote:

[snip]
 
 Okay, so the machine is back online and I can log in again.
 
 The hardware is only 18 months old or so... good quality stuff, so
 hopefully nothing is physically damaged. We'll see...
 
 Unfortunately, mysql isn't working at the moment... will make a
 backup of data (I have the previous night's backup, of course, but
 would like the latest, if possible.) Then will try to figure out
 what's working and what's not.
 

Check the machine-hostname.err file when you manually try and start MySQL. 
Provided that you have mysql_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf you should be able 
to manually attempt to start with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start (it 
seems to work reliably when you type out the entire command path-wise).

Note that if somehow permissions on the my.cnf file got changed MySQL won't 
start if my.cnf is world writable. Check for stale PID and sockets. Normally 
these shouldn't be a problem as a startup will just overwrite them. Check 
these to eliminate any wonkiness, e.g. some permission change isn't allowing 
for MySQL to wipe the old ones.

The whateverthehostname.err log and possibly /var/log/messages might give 
some clue for what's going on. If the database files are corrupt just clean 
them out and replace with a backup done with dump. Ensure the /var/db/mysql 
tree is chowned mysql:mysql. If you had to install/reinstall from ports the 
install should have created the appropriate uid/gid accounts. Check and see 
if these are missing. 

At any rate I wish you the best of luck. Now that you can SSH in you can 
probably fix it up.

-Mike



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gmirror THEN geli, correct?

2009-04-05 Thread Modulok
List,

I'm looking for a confirmation on the order:  When setting up a (root
partiton) gmirror+geli, what is the propper order? e.g: gmirror the
disks and THEN initialize geli on the /dev/mirror partitions? Is this
correct?

Thanks.
-Modulok-
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Re: how to recover after power outage

2009-04-05 Thread John Almberg


On Apr 5, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Michael Powell wrote:


John Almberg wrote:

[snip]


Okay, so the machine is back online and I can log in again.

The hardware is only 18 months old or so... good quality stuff, so
hopefully nothing is physically damaged. We'll see...

Unfortunately, mysql isn't working at the moment... will make a
backup of data (I have the previous night's backup, of course, but
would like the latest, if possible.) Then will try to figure out
what's working and what's not.



Check the machine-hostname.err file when you manually try and start  
MySQL.
Provided that you have mysql_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf you  
should be able
to manually attempt to start with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server  
start (it
seems to work reliably when you type out the entire command path- 
wise).


Note that if somehow permissions on the my.cnf file got changed  
MySQL won't
start if my.cnf is world writable. Check for stale PID and sockets.  
Normally
these shouldn't be a problem as a startup will just overwrite them.  
Check
these to eliminate any wonkiness, e.g. some permission change isn't  
allowing

for MySQL to wipe the old ones.

The whateverthehostname.err log and possibly /var/log/messages  
might give
some clue for what's going on. If the database files are corrupt  
just clean
them out and replace with a backup done with dump. Ensure the /var/ 
db/mysql
tree is chowned mysql:mysql. If you had to install/reinstall from  
ports the
install should have created the appropriate uid/gid accounts. Check  
and see

if these are missing.

At any rate I wish you the best of luck. Now that you can SSH in  
you can

probably fix it up.


Well, I had to give up, temporarily, on this server to get my clients  
back online.


I took a nice machine I had laying around, loaded a fresh copy of  
FreeBSD on it, installed mysql, and loaded the Saturday morning  
database backup.


I had to set up all the database permissions correctly, which took  
some time, but I'm happy to say that I've got all my clients back  
online with this new database server.


Now I am going to catch a couple hours sleep (this has been going on  
since 2 am). Once I restore some brain cells, I'll see if I can  
figure out what's happening with the main database server. NYI has  
taken it off line, for some reason, and I can't log into it anyway,  
at the moment.


Thanks for all the helpful advice. It's great to have this list to  
fall back on in a crisis.


Brgds: John

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Re: gmirror THEN geli, correct?

2009-04-05 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 12:58:46PM -0600, Modulok wrote:
 List,
 
 I'm looking for a confirmation on the order:  When setting up a (root
 partiton) gmirror+geli, what is the propper order? e.g: gmirror the
 disks and THEN initialize geli on the /dev/mirror partitions? Is this
 correct?

That works. I tried it. 

But it felt slow. So I dropped the mirroring, and used
rsync running from a cron job at night to keep the primary and secondary
disks (with encrypted partitions) in sync. 

This has a downside that my backup can be up to 24 hours out of date,
but as a plus it provides me with an up to 24 hour window to recover
accidentally deleted files. from the second disk. :-) It's a good
tradeoff, IMO.

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Re: Question about forcing fsck at boottime

2009-04-05 Thread Chris Rees
2009/3/31 Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de:
 Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
   2009/3/31 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
   
    IMHO this background fsck isn't good idea at all
  
   Why?

 Google background fsck damage.

 I was bitten by it myself, and I also recommend to turn
 background fsck off.  If your disks are large and you
 can't afford the fsck time, consider using ZFS, which
 has a lot of benefits besides not requiring fsck.

 Best regards
   Oliver


Right... You were bitten by background fsck, what _exactly_ happened?
All the 'problems' here associated with bgfsck are referring to
FreeBSD 4 etc, or incredibly vague anecdotal evidence. Have you
googled for background fsck damage? Nothing (in the first two pages at
least) even suggests that background fsck causes damage.

Erik Trulsson wrote:
 Normal PATA/SATA disks with write caching enabled (which is the default) do
 not provide these guarantees.  Disabling write caching on will make them
 adhere to the assumptions that soft updates make, but at the cost of a
 severe performance penalty when writing to the disks.

 In short therefore on a 'typical' PC you can fairly easily get errors on a
 filesystem which background fsck cannot handle.

What do you mean by handle? Sure, it won't fix them, but it'll at
least detect them. The chances of actually having a problem are slim,
anyway, and it won't cause any damage either.

Please don't assert information or stories about being 'bitten',
without being more specific. It's meaningless and frustrating; I
didn't ask who was bitten, I asked what the problem was. Also, please
don't tell me to search the Internet without checking the search
results for relevance yourself. I've spent a long time researching
this, as have the FreeBSD devs, and they chose to make it on by
default with no warnings. From the petty things they DO warn about, I
very much doubt they'd allow something with a chance of any data
corruption slide like that.

Concrete evidence or direct links to problems with FreeBSD 6.0 ONLY
in response please. Or, no-one has proven any reason for distrust, and
all you lot are spreading is FUD.

Sorry for the rant, it's not directly aimed at any of you, just the
general assertion of 'facts' with no evidence,

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Re: Question about forcing fsck at boottime

2009-04-05 Thread ill...@gmail.com
2009/4/5 Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com:
 2009/3/31 Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de:
 Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
   2009/3/31 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
   
    IMHO this background fsck isn't good idea at all
  
   Why?

 Google background fsck damage.

 I was bitten by it myself, and I also recommend to turn
 background fsck off.  If your disks are large and you
 can't afford the fsck time, consider using ZFS, which
 has a lot of benefits besides not requiring fsck.

 Best regards
   Oliver


 Right... You were bitten by background fsck, what _exactly_ happened?
 All the 'problems' here associated with bgfsck are referring to
 FreeBSD 4 etc, or incredibly vague anecdotal evidence. Have you
 googled for background fsck damage? Nothing (in the first two pages at
 least) even suggests that background fsck causes damage.

 Erik Trulsson wrote:
 Normal PATA/SATA disks with write caching enabled (which is the default) do
 not provide these guarantees.  Disabling write caching on will make them
 adhere to the assumptions that soft updates make, but at the cost of a
 severe performance penalty when writing to the disks.

 In short therefore on a 'typical' PC you can fairly easily get errors on a
 filesystem which background fsck cannot handle.

 What do you mean by handle? Sure, it won't fix them, but it'll at
 least detect them. The chances of actually having a problem are slim,
 anyway, and it won't cause any damage either.



This is exactly my experience: maybe three times in years
of various power failures and hardware barfs have I had the
background fsck tell me to run fsck manually.  And that is the
entire extent of the failure.  The system was running normally,
if a bit slowly from the fsck itself, and the worst result was a
disappeared /var/db/pkg directory (which had nothing to do
with fsck being in the background on restart).


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Re: How to find out which ports contains a specified command.

2009-04-05 Thread ill...@gmail.com
2009/4/5 Peter Wang peterw...@vip.qq.com:

 for example, after i installed pfsense, which is based on freebsd
 release 7.1, i found adduser command is missing.

 so how to find out which ports contains `adduser' command?
 thanks for your replies.


% which adduser
/usr/sbin/adduser

Thus it is part of the base system, installed through /usr/src
rather than /usr/ports.

Also, as you are running (essentially) 7.x, this is probably
better on freebsd-questions than current.


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anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Gary Kline

Somebody thoughtfully posted a location where we could download a
package of OOo-3.01 for the i386 recently.  I thought that I had
bookmarked that site that began ooo and had built packages for
the openoffice suite.  

One, can anybody give the the correct URL?  I'll burn it into my
forearm this time!  I want any/all the addons or plugins, and the
mozilla browser would be a plus.

thanks,

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Re: How to find out which ports contains a specified command.

2009-04-05 Thread Paul Schmehl

--On April 5, 2009 6:13:57 PM -0400 ill...@gmail.com wrote:


2009/4/5 Peter Wang peterw...@vip.qq.com:


for example, after i installed pfsense, which is based on freebsd
release 7.1, i found adduser command is missing.

so how to find out which ports contains `adduser' command?
thanks for your replies.



% which adduser
/usr/sbin/adduser

Thus it is part of the base system, installed through /usr/src
rather than /usr/ports.

Also, as you are running (essentially) 7.x, this is probably
better on freebsd-questions than current.


I think you misunderstood his question.

This would be one way to do it:

find /usr/ports/ -type f -exec grep -sq adduser {} \; -print

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Re: Question about forcing fsck at boottime

2009-04-05 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:40:52 +0100
Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:

 2009/3/31 Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de:
  Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
    2009/3/31 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
    
     IMHO this background fsck isn't good idea at all
   
    Why?
 
  Google background fsck damage.
 
  I was bitten by it myself, and I also recommend to turn
  background fsck off.  If your disks are large and you
  can't afford the fsck time, consider using ZFS, which
  has a lot of benefits besides not requiring fsck.
 
  Best regards
    Oliver
 
 
 Right... You were bitten by background fsck, what _exactly_ happened?
 All the 'problems' here associated with bgfsck are referring to
 FreeBSD 4 etc, or incredibly vague anecdotal evidence. Have you
 googled for background fsck damage? Nothing (in the first two pages at
 least) even suggests that background fsck causes damage.


http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=background+fsck+corruption

You'll find the first few results are about panics during background
fsck resulting in an endless cycle of boot-panic-reboot, which don't
occur with foreground fsck. And at least the first result is from 6.x.

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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Glen Barber
Hi, Gary

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:

        Somebody thoughtfully posted a location where we could download a
        package of OOo-3.01 for the i386 recently.  I thought that I had
        bookmarked that site that began ooo and had built packages for
        the openoffice suite.

        One, can anybody give the the correct URL?  I'll burn it into my
        forearm this time!  I want any/all the addons or plugins, and the
        mozilla browser would be a plus.


There are two primary places I am aware of:

http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/#obtain

ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/

HTH.

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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:41:36PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote:
 Hi, Gary
 
 On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
 
         Somebody thoughtfully posted a location where we could download a
         package of OOo-3.01 for the i386 recently.  I thought that I had
         bookmarked that site that began ooo and had built packages for
         the openoffice suite.
 
         One, can anybody give the the correct URL?  I'll burn it into my
         forearm this time!  I want any/all the addons or plugins, and the
         mozilla browser would be a plus.
 
 
 There are two primary places I am aware of:
 
 http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/#obtain
 
 ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/
 
 HTH.


well, it wouldve if there were a 3.0.1 d/load for 7.1, but nope.
so far, none of us has been willing to volunteer the months/years
to build a 7.1 version for the i386.

i'm down to 5GB of freespace and oo fails after a few hours.  
can't figure out how/where all my diskspace went to but
that's offtopic.

tx,

gary


 
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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
        well, it wouldve if there were a 3.0.1 d/load for 7.1, but nope.
        so far, none of us has been willing to volunteer the months/years
        to build a 7.1 version for the i386.

        i'm down to 5GB of freespace and oo fails after a few hours.
        can't figure out how/where all my diskspace went to but
        that's offtopic.


Tell you what.  I'm running 7-STABLE right now, so if I were to build
the package it may be incompatible with some things.  Once 7.2 is
-RELEASE, I'll build a GNOME and KDE version and put them up on my
site.  (I know that doesn't fix your *need* now, but I will take the
time when the time is right.)

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keyboard and USE mouse have no response in X

2009-04-05 Thread makefile

My computer is Thinkpad R61i 7732BGC.My system is FreeBSD-7.2-BETA1.
Everything was fine in the console.Both the keyboard and USB mouse can not work 
in the X.I don't know why.
But the USE mouse still can not work in the X.
I say my keyboard can not work,because I can not use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to kill 
X,and there is no response in X whether I type anything.If I type Alt+F1,just 
go back to the consol where I startx.

I tried to a way what I just heard.Use sysinstall to set the mouse daemon 
disabled,and change /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto

Just change to Protocol:
OptionProtocol /dev/usm0

But my USB mouse still can not work.Also my keyboard.

I need a help.I am a novice.
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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Tim Judd
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:41:36PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote:
  Hi, Gary
 
  On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
  
  Somebody thoughtfully posted a location where we could download
 a
  package of OOo-3.01 for the i386 recently.  I thought that I had
  bookmarked that site that began ooo and had built packages for
  the openoffice suite.
  
  One, can anybody give the the correct URL?  I'll burn it into my
  forearm this time!  I want any/all the addons or plugins, and
 the
  mozilla browser would be a plus.
  
 
  There are two primary places I am aware of:
 
  http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/#obtain
 
  ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/
 
  HTH.


 well, it wouldve if there were a 3.0.1 d/load for 7.1, but nope.
so far, none of us has been willing to volunteer the months/years
to build a 7.1 version for the i386.

i'm down to 5GB of freespace and oo fails after a few hours.
can't figure out how/where all my diskspace went to but
that's offtopic.

tx,

gary



I don't understand the months/years or weeks/days symptom of OOo.

On my dual-core system at work,  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  6600  @
2.40GHz


Took about 4 hours.  It only seemed to utilize only 1 CPU...  my top always
said =50% CPU usage

I left the default options, but it won't create a package..  policykit
Updated +CONTENTS and retrying...

success.  97 package files created to support openoffice.


I have test servers up periodically and would offer it for an unknown period
of time.   I'll notify you when it's up.





 
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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Glen Barber
Hi, Tim.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't understand the months/years or weeks/days symptom of OOo.

 On my dual-core system at work,  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  6600  @
 2.40GHz


 Took about 4 hours.  It only seemed to utilize only 1 CPU...  my top always
 said =50% CPU usage

 I left the default options, but it won't create a package..  policykit
 Updated +CONTENTS and retrying...

 success.  97 package files created to support openoffice.


 I have test servers up periodically and would offer it for an unknown period 
 of time.   I'll notify you when it's up.


I'll race you. :)

Seriously, though.  This is something I've been meaning to do, but
just haven't had time.  Since 7.2-R is upcoming, I figured that'd be
the perfect time, and now I have the web hosting for the package(s).

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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Robert Huff

Tim Judd writes:

  I don't understand the months/years or weeks/days symptom of OOo.
  
  On my dual-core system at work,  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  6600  @
  2.40GHz
  
  Took about 4 hours.  It only seemed to utilize only 1 CPU...  my
  top always said =50% CPU usage

For comparison: on a P4/2.26ghz/2 gbyte RAM, lightly loaded
with fairly fast SCSI disks, it takes 30+ hours.


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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Tim Judd
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote:


 Tim Judd writes:

   I don't understand the months/years or weeks/days symptom of OOo.
 
   On my dual-core system at work,  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  6600  @
   2.40GHz
 
   Took about 4 hours.  It only seemed to utilize only 1 CPU...  my
   top always said =50% CPU usage

 For comparison: on a P4/2.26ghz/2 gbyte RAM, lightly loaded
 with fairly fast SCSI disks, it takes 30+ hours.



Well, I had full Xorg 7.4, KDE4 and partial gnome2 installed when I built
openoffice.  I am pretty sure if I have to do everything from scratch is
where the days would come into play.




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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Tim Judd
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote:


 Tim Judd writes:

   I don't understand the months/years or weeks/days symptom of OOo.
 
   On my dual-core system at work,  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  6600
  @
   2.40GHz
 
   Took about 4 hours.  It only seemed to utilize only 1 CPU...  my
   top always said =50% CPU usage

 For comparison: on a P4/2.26ghz/2 gbyte RAM, lightly loaded
 with fairly fast SCSI disks, it takes 30+ hours.



 Well, I had full Xorg 7.4, KDE4 and partial gnome2 installed when I built
 openoffice.  I am pretty sure if I have to do everything from scratch is
 where the days would come into play.


Reference - dependency list for OOo 3.0.1 package, 7.1-R i386:


Information for openoffice.org-3.0.1.tbz:

Depends on:
Dependency: xineramaproto-1.1.2
Dependency: xextproto-7.0.5
Dependency: renderproto-0.9.3
Dependency: randrproto-1.2.1
Dependency: printproto-1.0.4
Dependency: kbproto-1.0.3
Dependency: inputproto-1.5.0
Dependency: fixesproto-4.0
Dependency: damageproto-1.1.0_2
Dependency: compositeproto-0.4
Dependency: font-util-1.0.1
Dependency: encodings-1.0.2,1
Dependency: expat-2.0.1
Dependency: policykit-0.9_4
Dependency: gnome_subr-1.0
Dependency: dmidecode-2.10
Dependency: openldap-client-2.4.15_1
Dependency: pciids-20090224
Dependency: hicolor-icon-theme-0.10_2
Dependency: gnomehier-2.3_11
Dependency: python25-2.5.4_1
Dependency: xcb-proto-1.4
Dependency: perl-5.8.9_2
Dependency: png-1.2.35
Dependency: jpeg-6b_7
Dependency: tiff-3.8.2_3
Dependency: jasper-1.900.1_7
Dependency: pkg-config-0.23_1
Dependency: libtasn1-1.8
Dependency: libart_lgpl-2.3.20,1
Dependency: pixman-0.14.0
Dependency: freetype2-2.3.7
Dependency: fontconfig-2.6.0,1
Dependency: bitstream-vera-1.10_4
Dependency: xproto-7.0.15
Dependency: libfontenc-1.0.4
Dependency: mkfontscale-1.0.6
Dependency: mkfontdir-1.0.4
Dependency: font-misc-ethiopic-1.0.0
Dependency: font-misc-meltho-1.0.0_1
Dependency: font-bh-ttf-1.0.0
Dependency: xorg-fonts-truetype-7.4
Dependency: libICE-1.0.4_1,1
Dependency: libSM-1.1.0_1,1
Dependency: libXdmcp-1.0.2_1
Dependency: libXau-1.0.4
Dependency: pcre-7.8
Dependency: libvolume_id-0.81.1
Dependency: libpthread-stubs-0.1
Dependency: libxcb-1.2
Dependency: xcb-util-0.3.3
Dependency: libX11-1.2,1
Dependency: libXt-1.0.5_1
Dependency: libXrender-0.9.4_1
Dependency: cairo-1.8.6_1,1
Dependency: libXft-2.1.13
Dependency: libXfixes-4.0.3_1
Dependency: libXcursor-1.1.9_1
Dependency: libXdamage-1.1.1
Dependency: libXext-1.0.5,1
Dependency: libXcomposite-0.4.0,1
Dependency: libXinerama-1.0.3,1
Dependency: libXi-1.2.1,1
Dependency: libXrandr-1.2.3
Dependency: libXpm-3.5.7
Dependency: libXp-1.0.0,1
Dependency: libXmu-1.0.4,1
Dependency: libXaw-1.0.5_1,1
Dependency: libdaemon-0.12
Dependency: gdbm-1.8.3_3
Dependency: libiconv-1.11_1
Dependency: samba-libsmbclient-3.0.34_1
Dependency: libxml2-2.7.3
Dependency: dbus-1.2.4.4
Dependency: gettext-0.17_1
Dependency: gnome-mime-data-2.18.0_3
Dependency: libgpg-error-1.7
Dependency: libgcrypt-1.4.4
Dependency: gnutls-2.6.4
Dependency: cups-base-1.3.9_3
Dependency: glib-2.18.4
Dependency: gamin-0.1.10
Dependency: gio-fam-backend-2.18.4
Dependency: desktop-file-utils-0.15_1
Dependency: libIDL-0.8.13
Dependency: ORBit2-2.14.17
Dependency: pango-1.22.4
Dependency: shared-mime-info-0.60
Dependency: dbus-glib-0.80
Dependency: consolekit-0.3.0_5
Dependency: avahi-app-0.6.24_1
Dependency: hal-0.5.11_21
Dependency: atk-1.24.0
Dependency: gtk-2.14.7_1
Dependency: gconf2-2.24.0
Dependency: gnome-vfs-2.24.1


I'm not sure why there's so much depenencies, but if anyone wants me to post
it, I want to know.  Having 1 is equal to an infinity, so if only one person
asks to post it, I'll put it up for a while.







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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Robert Huff

Tim Judd writes:

 I don't understand the months/years or weeks/days symptom of OOo.
   
 On my dual-core system at work,  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU  6600  @
 2.40GHz
   
 Took about 4 hours.  It only seemed to utilize only 1 CPU...  my
 top always said =50% CPU usage
  
   For comparison: on a P4/2.26ghz/2 gbyte RAM, lightly loaded
   with fairly fast SCSI disks, it takes 30+ hours.
  
  Well, I had full Xorg 7.4, KDE4 and partial gnome2 installed when I built
  openoffice.

I had all dependencies pre-installed; that 30+ is all for OpenOffice.


Robert Huff



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Re: anybody know about a 3.01 package *With* browser?

2009-04-05 Thread Robert Huff

Tim Judd writes:

  Reference - dependency list for OOo 3.0.1 package, 7.1-R i386:

deleted

  I'm not sure why there's so much depenencies, but if anyone wants
  me to post it, I want to know.

Because OOo declines to re-invent the wheel?  Some of these are
easy to understand if you know almost nothing about programming -
the fonts for example.  Others, like cairo, pango, expat, and CUPS,
are established libraries for dealing with things like text
input/rendering, graphics, and printing.  gtk is the GUI tookkit.
What I don't understand is things like pciids-20090224.


Robert Huff

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