date:20090527

Re: FreeBSD Software RAID

2009-05-27 Thread Matthew Seaman


Gary Gatten wrote:

What about with PAE and/or other extension schemes?


Doesn't help with the KVM requirement, and still only provides a 4GB address
space for any single process.


If it's just memory requirements, can I assume if I don't have a $hit
load of storage and billions of files it will work ok with 4GB of RAM?
I guess I'm just making sure there isn't some bug that only exists on
the i386 architecture?


ZFS should work on i386.  As far as I know there aren't any killer bugs that
are architecture specific, but I'm no expert. Unless your aim is to learn about
ZFS I personally wouldn't bother with it on an i386 system: you'll almost
certainly get a lot better performance and a lot less grief out of UFS under
those conditions.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text

2009-05-27 Thread Matthew Seaman


Polytropon wrote:

Dear list,

I'm searching for a FreeBSD based means to align text in
a circle, adjusted like in a sigulum.

I've tried to find an option in OpenOffice, but failed.
Can anyone name me a program that can be used to do so?
It can even be LaTeX, or a painting program that lets
me construct a sigulum, like this:

http://www-e.uni-magdeburg.de/ruge/verschiedenes/medien-als-manipulatoren/otto.gif

Text at the top should be adjustable with its bottom
towards the inner of the circle, text at the circle's
bottom hould be adjustable with the bottom to the outer
perimeter of the circle so both text is standing up.

A pictural figure should be placable in the inner of
the circle. Colours should be applyable.

Final output can be everything: Image formats like
PNG or JPG, PDF files, Postscript.

Suggestions, anyone? =^_^=



Inkscape.

Cut'n'paste this into 'file.svg' and view it either in firefox or Inkscape.
Took about two minutes to produce...

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Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text

2009-05-27 Thread Polytropon

On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:13:00 +0100, Matthew Seaman 
m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
 Inkscape.
 
 Cut'n'paste this into 'file.svg' and view it either in firefox or Inkscape.
 Took about two minutes to produce...

In pure XML, or using Inkscape?

The XML is quite easy to read, I think it's even possible to
write drawings in XML. :-)

I have to admit that I've got NO CLUE about Inkscape, even drawing
concentric circles is problematic. Don't get me wrong, Inkscape
seems to be a great program, but SIMPLE things don't seem to be
its strengths. Of course, it's a vector based drawing program.

The video tutorial was quite easy to follow, but I had massive
problems creating two concentric circles - hard when you can
only have filled circles (circular areas) without a border
(which is the real circle).

So I miss things like:
- draw first circle with line thickness of 10 px
- draw second (concentric) circle with line thickness of 10 px
- align text between these circles (upper, lower, each
  centered to Y axis of circles); use outlined letters
  for the text (shapes)
- put a picture into the middle and cut it off where it
  hits the inner circle.
- take some bucket fill and fill the circle ring blue,
  the inner of the text keeps white, while the letters'
  outline is black, and put some color into the figure in
  the middle (flood fill method).
Similar to the sigulum of the university. None of the stuff is
really vector based.

Another examples:
http://www.odenkirchen.de/graphics/grafik_siegel_1547.jpg
http://www.megascreen.de/assets/images/Fake-hdtv.jpg

If I could only draw the letters more precisely, I'm sure I would
be done doing everything by hand. :-)

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, or I'm just too plain stupid.
Can such an easy task really be that complicated?

If this damn job wouldn't have to be done until today's afternoon
(yes, I know, stupid), I would really take more time to learn
inkscape, but I think I'll have to go the fastest way, and maybe
this is using transparent paper, pens and colour... :-(

Anyway, thanks for your XML, I can really learn much from it.
I'll try until 11:00, and do manually because it's needed by
the customer until 13:00 URGENTLY.

Thanks for your patience with me, I know that I'm too stupid
to own a computer. =^_^=



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Re: How to remove redundant login in a FreeBSD live CD?

2009-05-27 Thread Unga

--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote:

 From: Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr
 Subject: Re: How to remove redundant login in a FreeBSD live CD?
 To: Unga unga...@yahoo.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:48 PM
 Unga wrote:
  Hi all

  I made a live CD based on FreeBSD 7.2. When the CD
 boots, it prompts for a login. Type root without password
 can log in. It seems this login is redundant.

  How to remove this redundant login?

  Best regards
  Unga

 I found this info in a text file of mine (copied from
 somewhere, but don't remember the source). I remember I used
 it once to create an autologin workstation for someone who
 really wouldn't want to know anything about usernames,
 password or this while unix type of thing. And as I recall
 it worked ;)

 1. Add to the /etc/gettytab file the following strings:

             test:\

 :al=test:ht:np:sp#115200:

    Explanation:

    test:\   - entry name,
 autologin will use this username;
            al=test -
 autologin username;
            ht - terminal
 has real tabs;
            np - 8-bit
 chars;
            (optional)
 sp#115200 - line speed;

 2. Edit /etc/ttys file:

 ttyv0   /usr/libexec/getty test 
        cons25 on  secure

              Change
 'Pc' with test.

Thank you, Manolis. Your method worked.

Best regards
Unga

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Stephan Lichtenauer


Peter,

Am 26.05.2009 um 23:13 schrieb Peter Jeremy:

On 2009-May-24 15:33:43 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan ga...@freebsd.org  
wrote:

Acer Aspire ONE. I haven't got comments from these lists about that
model in particular but I googled a bit and it seems mostly  
everything

works with it.


I have the SSD version and everything except the webcam and suspend/
resume works out of the box.


What FreeBSD version are you using?

Best regards

Stephan

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Mobile Internet Sticks

2009-05-27 Thread Christopher Chambers


Hi,

Does FreeBSD support those USB internet anywhere sticks?

Regards,
Chris
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Re: dump through ssh problem

2009-05-27 Thread Matiss

Allright, false alarm..
should've just tried to enter the password and not look at the
messages, lol
cheers,
Matt
 Quoting Matiss : Hey there,
 Here's a command that I use
 dump -0aunL -f - / | gzip -2 | ssh -p 182 m...@192.168.0.1 dd
of=/home/matt/usb_hdd/mail.err.lv/dump.root.l0.gz
 problem is, when ssh asks for password, it is fed a piped output
from previous commands, not allowing me to enter a password for
connection.
 What am I doing wrong? :)
 Cheers,
 Matt 
 -- Tavs bezmaksas pasts Inbox.lv

Links:
--
[1] mailto:m...@inbox.lv

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dump through ssh problem

2009-05-27 Thread Matiss

Hey there,
Here's a command that I use
 dump -0aunL -f - / | gzip -2 | ssh -p 182 m...@192.168.0.1 dd
of=/home/matt/usb_hdd/mail.err.lv/dump.root.l0.gz
problem is, when ssh asks for password, it is fed a piped output from
previous commands, not allowing me to enter a password for
connection.
What am I doing wrong? :)
Cheers,
Matt
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Re: dump through ssh problem

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees

2009/5/27 Matiss m...@inbox.lv:
 Allright, false alarm..
 should've just tried to enter the password and not look at the
 messages, lol
 cheers,
 Matt
  Quoting Matiss : Hey there,
  Here's a command that I use
  dump -0aunL -f - / | gzip -2 | ssh -p 182 m...@192.168.0.1 dd
 of=/home/matt/usb_hdd/mail.err.lv/dump.root.l0.gz
  problem is, when ssh asks for password, it is fed a piped output
 from previous commands, not allowing me to enter a password for
 connection.
  What am I doing wrong? :)
  Cheers,
  Matt
  -- Tavs bezmaksas pasts Inbox.lv

 Links:
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 [1] mailto:m...@inbox.lv


You could also try using SSH keys;
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/openssh.html

Chris



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Re: A FreeBSD program that rotates text

2009-05-27 Thread Matthew Seaman

Polytropon wrote:


 So I miss things like:
   - draw first circle with line thickness of 10 px

Select the object, then go to Object: Fill and Stroke

In the stroke style tab, set the width to 10px

   - draw second (concentric) circle with line thickness of 10 px

Draw two circles of appropriate sizes anywhere on the page, select
both of them, then go to Object: Align and Distribute. Just
align centers horizontally and then vertically.  Voila: concentric
circles.  Hold down ctrl when drawing circles to constrain something
that's nearly circular into being an actual circle.

   - align text between these circles (upper, lower, each
 centered to Y axis of circles); use outlined letters
 for the text (shapes)

Select the /inner/ circle and the text.  Got to Text: Put on Path.
You may have to double-click the curved text and drag the handles
to get it the right way up.

Select the text, and play with the Fill and Stroke stuff -- by default
text is filled with the background colour and the edges aren't drawn
(stroked) over, but that's easy to change.

   - put a picture into the middle and cut it off where it
 hits the inner circle.

Set the inner circle fill to transparent.  Make a group of the circles
and text, then drop it over your image.

   - take some bucket fill and fill the circle ring blue,
 the inner of the text keeps white, while the letters'
 outline is black, and put some color into the figure in
 the middle (flood fill method).

Bucket fill should work for the arbitrary areas, although use the Fill
and Stroke dialogue for the lettering.

Cheers,

Matthew

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7.2: Xorg no keyboard/mouse input

2009-05-27 Thread Pieter Donche


I set upFreeBSD-7.2 on a PC from scratch (deleted prevvious 7.0
partition, reinstalled 7.2)
installed xorg and kde via pkg_add
adapted /etc/ttys to start KDM window manager
(ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/kdm-nodaemon xterm on secure)
at reboot, I get KDE login screen, but keyboard and mouse do not react to
any input/move.
(in 7.0 on same system, with same keyboard and mouse I had no problem)

when setting /etc/ttys, ttyv8  again to off and reboot,
# startx
shows 3 primitive windows, but again no mouse and keyboard input accepted,
Ctrl-Alt-backspace goes back to an ascii console screen but no prompt
Ctrl-Alt-F1 neither
Ctrl-Alt-F2 gives a login: prompt and keyboard input is accepted...

(in # sysinstall I -postinstallation config, I checked mouse operation
it passed the test)

what can be wrong and how to remedy?
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Re: 7.2: Xorg no keyboard/mouse input

2009-05-27 Thread Polytropon

On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:38:25 +0200 (CEST), Pieter Donche 
pieter.don...@ua.ac.be wrote:
 I set upFreeBSD-7.2 on a PC from scratch (deleted prevvious 7.0
 partition, reinstalled 7.2)
 [...]
 at reboot, I get KDE login screen, but keyboard and mouse do not react to
 any input/move.
 (in 7.0 on same system, with same keyboard and mouse I had no problem)
 [...]
 what can be wrong and how to remedy?

Nothing wrong, is intended to be that way. :-)

Looks definitely like the new improvements (argh) of X. Refer
to /usr/ports/UPDATING - it contains instructions about how
to load HAL / DBUS at system startup or needed modifications
to xorg.conf.

Thre have been earlier posts about this problem on the mailing
list. Feel free to check the archives.


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Re: Mobile Internet Sticks

2009-05-27 Thread Stephan Lichtenauer


Chris,

Am 27.05.2009 um 10:58 schrieb Christopher Chambers:


Hi,

Does FreeBSD support those USB internet anywhere sticks?



I suggest to check http://people.freebsd.org/~n_hibma/u3g.html and  
man u3g.


I use u3g on 7.2 (with GENERIC kernel, I am simply loading the module)  
and a HUAWEI E220 (at least I think it is, can't double check right  
now, but it is sold as T-Mobile Web'n'Walk III stick in Germany) and  
it works just fine with userland PPP.


Best regards

Stephan
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Re: pam_groupdn/pam_member_attribute does not with OpenLDAP/PAM and FreeBSD. Why?

2009-05-27 Thread nok_compx

I found this problem too. I use CentOS 5.2 and openldap-2.3.43-3.el5.
How can I configure this issue, please tell me? :-)

O. Hartmann-5 wrote:

On our FreeBSD 7.2/8.0 driven infrastructure we use OpenLDAP:

openldap-sasl-client-2.4.16 Open source LDAP client implementation with
SASL2 support
openldap-sasl-server-2.4.16 Open source LDAP server implementation
pam_ldap-1.8.4_1A pam module for authenticating with LDAP

From O'Reilly's OpenLDAP book and other sources I got the information,
that tha tags

pam_groupdn
pam_member_attribute

can be used in conjunction with 'uid' to restrict access to a specific
host to those which are member of the group specified by pam_groupdn, as
long as the group object supports
multi-value-attributes like memberUid.

Well, this is not working with FreeBSD any way!

Suppose I define in /usr/local/etc/ldap.conf

pam_groupdn cn=myGroup,ou=groups,dc=foo,dc=bar (objectClass: posixGroup)
pam_member_attribute memberUid

And within this group there is my memberUid:

memberUid: ohartmann

Now I try to login to the specific box and get the warning:

You must be a memberUid of cn=myGroup,ou=groups,dc=foo,dc=bar to login.

... and I can login, no tmatter whether I'm in the group or not.

What ist happening here? Why is the documentaion telling me this should
work and why isn't FreeBSD/PAM doing so?

I'm confused!

Any help appreciated.

Oliver
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ipod nano 3th 8gig

2009-05-27 Thread Roy Stuivenberg

Hello,

Has anyone been able to connect an ipod nano 3th (windows version) ?
Mounting it gives me this error.

rs-unix# mount -t msdosfs /dev/da1s1 /ipod
mount_msdosfs: /dev/da1s1: : Invalid argument

dmesg :

rs-unix# dmesg
Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Tue May  5 15:39:15 CEST 2009
ams...@rs-unix.roycs.nl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC-ROYCS
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q8200  @ 2.33GHz (2331.01-MHz
686-class CPU)
  Origin = GenuineIntel  Id = 0x10677  Stepping = 7

Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE

Features2=0x8e39dSSE3,DTES64,MON,DS_CPL,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1
  AMD Features=0x2010NX,LM
  AMD Features2=0x1LAHF
  Cores per package: 4
real memory  = 2146959360 (2047 MB)
avail memory = 2091622400 (1994 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: A_M_I_ OEMAPIC 
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID:  2
 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID:  3
ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
kbd1 at kbdmux0
acpi0: A_M_I_ OEMRSDT on motherboard
acpi0: [ITHREAD]
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
acpi0: reservation of 0, a (3) failed
acpi0: reservation of 10, 7ff0 (3) failed
Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
acpi_hpet0: High Precision Event Timer iomem 0xfed0-0xfed003ff on
acpi0
Timecounter HPET frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900
pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0
pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1
vgapci0: VGA-compatible display mem
0xfd00-0xfdff,0xd000-0xdfff,0xfc00-0xfcff irq 16
at device 0.0 on pci1
nvidia0: GeForce 6200 LE on vgapci0
vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_busmaster
vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io
nvidia0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
nvidia0: [ITHREAD]
uhci0: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xb800-0xb81f irq 16 at
device 26.0 on pci0
uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci0: [ITHREAD]
usb0: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb0
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xb880-0xb89f irq 21 at
device 26.1 on pci0
uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci1: [ITHREAD]
usb1: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xbc00-0xbc1f irq 18 at
device 26.2 on pci0
uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci2: [ITHREAD]
usb2: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb2
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ehci0: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller mem 0xfbfffc00-0xfbff irq
18 at device 26.7 on pci0
ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
ehci0: [ITHREAD]
usb3: EHCI version 1.0
usb3: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2
usb3: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller on ehci0
usb3: USB revision 2.0
uhub3: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb3
uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered
umass0: Sunplus Technology Inc. USB to Serial-ATA bridge, class 0/0,
rev 2.00/1.03, addr 2 on uhub3
hdac0: Intel 82801J High Definition Audio Controller mem
0xfbff8000-0xfbffbfff irq 22 at device 27.0 on pci0
hdac0: HDA Driver Revision: 20090329_0131
hdac0: [ITHREAD]
pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 17 at device 28.0 on pci0
pci4: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2
pcib3: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 17 at device 28.4 on pci0
pci3: ACPI PCI bus on pcib3
atapci0: Marvell 88SX6101 UDMA133 controller port
0xdc00-0xdc07,0xd880-0xd883,0xd800-0xd807,0xd480-0xd483,0xd400-0xd40f
mem 0xfeaffc00-0xfeaffdff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci3
atapci0: [ITHREAD]
ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0
ata2: [ITHREAD]
pcib4: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 16 at device 28.5 on pci0
pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib4
pci2: network, ethernet at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
uhci3: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xb080-0xb09f irq 23 at
device 29.0 on pci0
uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci3: [ITHREAD]
usb4: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci3
usb4: USB revision 1.0
uhub4: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 on usb4
uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci4: UHCI (generic) USB controller port 0xb400-0xb41f irq 19 at
device 29.1 on pci0
uhci4: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci4: [ITHREAD]
usb5: UHCI (generic) USB controller on uhci4
usb5: USB revision 1.0
uhub5: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr

Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

2009-05-27 Thread Matthias Apitz

El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

 Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400
 laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to
 reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT
 in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some
 investigations, or whatever? Thx
 
 If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest
 of 50 GByte the Vista again.
 
  matthias
   
 Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel - 
 Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Disk Management.  Right 
 click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will 
 allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) 
 but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install 
 FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it 
 will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free 
 download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu.

Meanwhile I'm running CURRENT in the 200 GByte and I'm nearly happy with
all. I'm still waiting for the Atheros miniPCI Wifi to replace the
unsupported Intel one with an Atheros AR5BXB6(AR5424). All other stuff
is working fine now. Even the high-res display of 1920x1200 is now
supported in the xf86-video-nv driver.

Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn
Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in
the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee,
you will find it Vista booted. :-(

Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between
the partitions to boot?

Thx

matthias

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Re: ipod nano 3th 8gig

2009-05-27 Thread Polytropon

On Wed, 27 May 2009 13:01:06 +0200, Roy Stuivenberg roys1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Has anyone been able to connect an ipod nano 3th (windows version) ?
 Mounting it gives me this error.
 
 rs-unix# mount -t msdosfs /dev/da1s1 /ipod
 mount_msdosfs: /dev/da1s1: : Invalid argument

Can you check

# fdisk da1

to see if you're accessing the correct partition? In any
case, /dev/da1s1 should be fine. 

You can try as well:

# mount_msdosfs -o ro /dev/da1s1 /ipod
# mount_msdosfs -o ro /dev/da1 /ipod




From your dmesg:

 umass1: Apple Inc. iPod, class 0/0, rev 2.00/0.01, addr 2 on uhub7
 da1 at umass-sim1 bus 1 target 0 lun 0
 da1: Apple iPod 1.62 Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device 
 da1: 40.000MB/s transfers
 da1: 7583MB (1941441 4096 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 120C)

Which files are created in /dev?

# ll /dev/da1*

I don't own an iPod, but I may assume that it shows itself to
the system as a regular direct access storage device (da) and
not as a generic device (ugen).



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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

2009-05-27 Thread Manolis Kiagias


Matthias Apitz wrote:

El día Wednesday, May 06, 2009 a las 01:26:50PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

  

Matthias Apitz wrote:


Hello,

Maybe a bit off-topic (sorry for this). I've got a fresh Dell M4400
laptop with 250 GByte, pre-installed Vista on it. Is there a way to
reduce the Vista to let's say 50 GByte and install FreeBSD -CURRENT
in the remaining 200 GByte, just to have the Vista later for some
investigations, or whatever? Thx

If not I will scratch the Vista, install FreeBSD and later in the rest
of 50 GByte the Vista again.

matthias
 
  
Sure, You can even reduce Vista's partition from Control Panel - 
Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Disk Management.  Right 
click on the partition and select to shrink. The amount that it will 
allow you to shrink will vary (probably depends on the fragmentation) 
but I guess you will be able to get 50G on a 200G disk. Then install 
FreeBSD as usual, but do not allow it to install any boot manager (it 
will mess with Vista's BCD system). After installing, use EasyBCD (free 
download) within Vista to add FreeBSD to the boot menu.



Meanwhile I'm running CURRENT in the 200 GByte and I'm nearly happy with
all. I'm still waiting for the Atheros miniPCI Wifi to replace the
unsupported Intel one with an Atheros AR5BXB6(AR5424). All other stuff
is working fine now. Even the high-res display of 1920x1200 is now
supported in the xf86-video-nv driver.

Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn
Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in
the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee,
you will find it Vista booted. :-(
  


There is an option in EasyBCD concerning the default entry to boot. I 
would tell you the exact location, but due to recent developments 
(VirtualBox running on FreeBSD) I completely wiped Vista from my laptop 
;) I am sure you will find it though.



Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between
the partitions to boot?


  


This used to be the case up until XP. Vista's boot loader is very fussy 
though, and it usually breaks if you do that. For peace of mind I'd 
recommend against it. Another solution would probably be to not use the 
boot manger at all but use disk management in Vista and fdisk in FreeBSD 
to set the active partition each time you need to change. I haven't 
tried this, but it should work.

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Re: reducing Windows Vista to install FreeBSD dual-boot

2009-05-27 Thread Matthias Apitz

El día Wednesday, May 27, 2009 a las 02:57:10PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió:

 Concerning EasyBCD, it tries always in unattended mode to boot the damn
 Vista and not the other FreeBSD partition which I have i 1st place in
 the boot menu, i.e. if you just switch on the laptop and go for coffee,
 you will find it Vista booted. :-(
   
 
 There is an option in EasyBCD concerning the default entry to boot. I 
 would tell you the exact location, but due to recent developments 
 (VirtualBox running on FreeBSD) I completely wiped Vista from my laptop 
 ;) I am sure you will find it though.

Ofc, there was this option; thx

 Is there no way to use the normal FreeBSD boot manager to switch between
 the partitions to boot?
 
 
   
 
 This used to be the case up until XP. Vista's boot loader is very fussy 
 though, and it usually breaks if you do that. For peace of mind I'd 
 recommend against it. Another solution would probably be to not use the 
 boot manger at all but use disk management in Vista and fdisk in FreeBSD 
 to set the active partition each time you need to change. I haven't 
 tried this, but it should work.

well I can now live with the change and it boots FreeBSD by default (I'm
just closing my eyes some seconds after power-on to not have to see the word
Vista :-)) 

I will erase later the Vista in any case.

matthias
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Sponsoring FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH

Dear FreeBSD Team,

We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close connection 
to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful Open Source projects 
that help us in our daily work and/or are great contributions to the OS world 
as such. Therefore we have also picked your project as a possible recipient of 
sponsorship. 

We currently sponsor Open Source projects such as TYPO3, ImageMagick, 
FileZilla, Smarty, Horde, DotProject, DokuWiki, Mantis, KDE, Mailman and many 
more. In general we offer three kinds of sponsorship.
 
1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD
2. Sponsoring of Rootservers for Mirrors or as webservers
3. Drafts for a possible redesign of your project's website

All sponsorships run for at least 6-12 months.
 
If one of these offers sounds interesting to you, I would be glad to hear from 
you soon so we can work something out.

What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the 
site somewhere with a link to our website.

I look forward to hear from you soon.

Best Regards,

Kian Gould


AOE media GmbH
Borsigstr. 3
65205 Wiesbaden
Germany  Tel. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -111
Fax. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -199
Mobil: +49 (0) 177 38 191 09


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Web: http://www.aoemedia.de/
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RE: Watchdog timer

2009-05-27 Thread Peter Steele

It depends on the watchdog hardware itself. Some are not able to
handle long timeouts.  Check the man pages for the hardware you are
using.  The VIA hardware that we hacked a driver for said it could go
upto 512 seconds, but we could not get to that length

http://www.tancsa.com/watchdog/

Thanks for the reply. I'll have to do some research on our hardware.

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Re: netbooks vs FreeBSD

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees

2009/5/23 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:

 I'm about to buy a netbook, which:
 - is compatible with FreeBSD (wifi is especially important)
 - has a good battery life (at least 4 hours)
 - has a normal HDD not an SSD

 point 2 and 3 is somehow incompatible - HDD takes more power. anyway in
 order of few watts, compared to CPUs taking 20-50W, excluding those really
 mobile. so 4 hours on batteryHDD seems possible.


http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=SSD+versus+hard+drive+powerie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8

Will you PLEASE start checking what you say before posting!

Chris


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Re: Another uptime story

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees

2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds
 the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the
 actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for,
 let's call it accumulated uptime. :-)


 I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime.  It'd
 be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive'
 without looking through service tag records.

 --
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How about:

[ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  324 Apr 15  2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
[ch...@amnesiac]~%

I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime

Chris


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Re: Another uptime story

2009-05-27 Thread Steve Bertrand

Chris Rees wrote:
 2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds
 the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the
 actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for,
 let's call it accumulated uptime. :-)

 I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime.  It'd
 be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive'
 without looking through service tag records.

 --
 Glen Barber
 
 How about:
 
 [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  324 Apr 15  2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 [ch...@amnesiac]~%
 
 I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime

Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;)

ww9# uptime
 9:09AM  up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out...

Steve


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Re: Another uptime story

2009-05-27 Thread Glen Barber

Hi, Chris

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime.  It'd
 be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive'
 without looking through service tag records.


 How about:

 [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  324 Apr 15  2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 [ch...@amnesiac]~%

 I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime


Missing the obvious is my way of noticing I'm sleep deprived... :)

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Re: Another uptime story

2009-05-27 Thread Glen Barber

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote:

 Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;)

 ww9# uptime
  9:09AM  up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

 Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out...


Steve,

Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve?

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Re: Another uptime story

2009-05-27 Thread Andrew Gould

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:

 2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com:
  On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
  Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds
  the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the
  actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for,
  let's call it accumulated uptime. :-)
 
 
  I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime.  It'd
  be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive'
  without looking through service tag records.
 
  --
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 How about:

 [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  324 Apr 15  2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 [ch...@amnesiac]~%

 I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime

 Chris


You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag to a
database when the system starts and stops.  This wouldn't account for
improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a stop date/time was
missing.

If you also  documented the installation date/time of various components,
you could also track their lives separately.

Andrew
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Re: Another uptime story

2009-05-27 Thread Steve Bertrand

Glen Barber wrote:
 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote:
 Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;)

 ww9# uptime
  9:09AM  up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

 Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out...

 
 Steve,
 
 Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve?

RADIUS ;)

...for a local setup of wireless hotspots (freeradius was current on the
box).

One of many.

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something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline?

2009-05-27 Thread Michael Scheidell


none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore.

host www.freebsd.org
www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33
www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21
www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 .
mx1.slpowers.com.ionspam.net# host -t a  www.freebsd.org
www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33


lynx does this (as an example):

socket failed: family 28 addr 2001:4f8:fff6::21 port 80.


I don't have any of our servers or workstations compiled WITH_IPV6

running 7.1 amd64, running 7.1 i386, running 6.4 i386.

telnet www.freebsd.org 80
Trying 69.147.83.33...

on macos.
just hangs.

telnet www.freebsd.org 80
Trying 2001:4f8:fff6::21...
Trying 69.147.83.33...


on freebsd 6.4 i386 just hangs



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Re: Another uptime story

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Rees

2009/5/27 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:

 2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com:
  On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
  Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds
  the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the
  actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for,
  let's call it accumulated uptime. :-)
 
 
  I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime.  It'd
  be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive'
  without looking through service tag records.
 
  --
  Glen Barber

 How about:

 [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  324 Apr 15  2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
 [ch...@amnesiac]~%

 I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime

 Chris

 You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag to a
 database when the system starts and stops.  This wouldn't account for
 improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a stop date/time was
 missing.

 If you also  documented the installation date/time of various components,
 you could also track their lives separately.

 Andrew


I use:

http://www.uptimes-project.org/hosts/view/2288

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Re: something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline?

2009-05-27 Thread Steve Bertrand

Michael Scheidell wrote:
 none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore.
 
 host www.freebsd.org
 www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33
 www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21
 www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 .
 mx1.slpowers.com.ionspam.net# host -t a  www.freebsd.org
 www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33
 
 
 lynx does this (as an example):
 
 socket failed: family 28 addr 2001:4f8:fff6::21 port 80.
 
 
 I don't have any of our servers or workstations compiled WITH_IPV6

Can you provide:

# netstat -rn
# ifconfig

...on one of the boxes?

I have no issues here:

pearl# telnet -6 freebsd.org 80
Trying 2001:4f8:fff6::28...
Connected to freebsd.org.
Escape character is '^]'.

...

pearl# telnet freebsd.org 80
Trying 69.147.83.40...
Connected to freebsd.org.
Escape character is '^]'.

Also, after a quick look, it would be handy if you could flush your DNS
cache and try again. The IPs I get for FreeBSD.org are different than
those in your example. Perhaps they changed, and your DNS has not
updated yet.

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Re: something broke last night. www.freebsd.org offline?

2009-05-27 Thread Michael Scheidell




Steve Bertrand wrote:

Michael Scheidell wrote:
  

none of my freebsd systems can surf to www.freebsd.org anymore.

  

ah. I see problem.. you didn't look up the host I documented.

freebsd.org is different then www.freebsd.org

host freebsd.org
freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.40
freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::28
freebsd.org mail is handled by 10 mx1.freebsd.org.

tryWWW.FREEBSD.ORG



Can you provide:

# netstat -rn
# ifconfig

  

I seriously doubt thats it.. I can get to the world.
I could do this on 40 different systems.

host -t a www.freebsd.org
www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33
$ host  www.freebsd.org
www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33
www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21


netstat -rn
Routing tables

Internet:
DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs  Use  Netif Expire
default204.89.241.1   UGS 0 45058027   con0
127.0.0.1  127.0.0.1  UH  015108lo0
204.89.241 link#2 UC  00   con0
204.89.241.1   00:0f:34:87:cc:e0  UHLW20   con0   1199
204.89.241.2   00:06:b1:06:08:39  UHLW194936   con0   1004
204.89.241.135 00:06:b1:06:08:39  UHLW1 7050   con0580
204.89.241.236 00:14:22:1f:18:64  UHLW1   51   con0   1084
204.89.241.239 00:14:22:1f:18:64  UHLW1 5369   con0868

ifconfig
aux0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
   options=3bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,JUMBO_MTU
   ether 00:22:19:50:24:9e
   media: Ethernet autoselect (none)
   status: no carrier
con0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
   options=3bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,JUMBO_MTU
   inet 204.89.241.240 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 204.89.241.255
 ether 00:22:19:50:24:9c
   media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
   status: active
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
   inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
bct#


from whois:

Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:no.valid.em...@worldnic.com
Name Server:NS1.ISC-SNS.NET
Name Server:NS2.ISC-SNS.COM
Name Server:


not my cache: this is direct from the horses mouth:


host www.freebsd.org NS1.ISC-SNS.NET
Using domain server:
Name: NS1.ISC-SNS.NET
Address: 72.52.71.1#53
Aliases:

www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33
www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21
www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 .


host www.freebsd.org NS2.ISC-SNS.COM
Using domain server:
Name: NS2.ISC-SNS.COM
Address: 38.103.2.1#53
Aliases:

www.freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.33
www.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::21
www.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 .


bct#


I have no issues here:

pearl# telnet -6 freebsd.org 80
Trying 2001:4f8:fff6::28...
Connected to freebsd.org.
Escape character is '^]'.

...

pearl# telnet freebsd.org 80
Trying 69.147.83.40...
Connected to freebsd.org.
Escape character is '^]'.

  


ah. I see problem.. you didn't look up the host I documented.

freebsd.org is different then www.freebsd.org

host freebsd.org
freebsd.org has address 69.147.83.40
freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:fff6::28
freebsd.org mail is handled by 10 mx1.freebsd.org.

looks like if you

Also, after a quick look, it would be handy if you could flush your DNS
cache and try again. The IPs I get for FreeBSD.org are different than
those in your example. Perhaps they changed, and your DNS has not
updated yet.

Steve
  


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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-27 Thread kristian.tenorio


Well, the fact is if you want an easier way, find someone to fix it for you.
But man, if ya wanna change to *NIX, become a sysadmin better and go.
You'll see that it's not that hard, is VERY SIMPLE, only ya've gotta get
accostumed.


Jerry-107 wrote:
 
 On Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
 kristian.tenorio kristian.teno...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Nice, go on using Windows, Jerry.  I will use my FreeBSD Box.
But I'd like to point out that my earlier solution is not that good.
I'm going to fix it here, Jerry and I'm sure this'll be interesting for
Chandan.
 
 Nice, go on TOP POSTING. I prefer to post in a more logical way.
 
 Seriously, one of the major problems I face when trying to get an
 associate or friend to try a non Windows solution is printing. Windows
 users are use to just sticking a CD in the box, installing the driver
 and whatever other programs the distributor has assembled for them, and
 then printing. *nix systems have never been really 'printer' friendly.
 If we are ever going to increase the market share, improving the whole
 printer 'experience' needs to be given some serious consideration.
 Personally, I cannot see a child or even many adults, going through the
 convoluted steps you have described needed to get a simple printer to
 work. There has to be a better way. Then again, that is just my 2¢ on
 the matter.
 
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