Re: nfe0 startup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/05/2010 01:15:13, Robert Jenssen wrote: Many thanks to those who responded to my question. It seems that waiting for the network to start up is a common problem. Recently Jeremy Chadwick proprosed adding a /usr/local/etc/rc.d/waitnetwork script. In response others have suggested the more radical step of replacing /etc/rc.d with launchd. See Message-ID 20100418213727.ga98...@icarus.home.lan etc. I will await developments. launchd(8) is a very interesting proposition, but it replaces a lot more than just the RC framework. It also covers cron(8), devd(8), inetd(8), init(8)/getty(8). Unlike RC scripts, launchd does /not/ expect the programs it manages to daemonise. In that respect, it's a lot more like daemontools or the sysV-ish inittab. While this has advantages (eg. in being able to restart crashed daemons promptly), it's a very different way of doing things, and there would have to be concomitant changes all over /usr/src. Not forgetting all of the available ported software. By my estimation, if FreeBSD were to commit to using launchd(8), the work required would absorb the majority of the available developer time running up to a major release. ie. if the decision was taken to go ahead, as soon as 9.0-RELEASE was branched, work on launchd in 10-CURRENT would have to start immediately, and take priority over many other development efforts in order to have the following 10.0-RELEASE up to the quality expected from the FreeBSD project. I don't think that's going to happen. I can see a launchd-esque system being introduced, but it would have to be radically rewritten compared to what MacOS X uses, offer compatibility shims for all of the systems it was intended to supplant, and it would take many years of gradual developent and change to get it to the desired state. In other words, keep up your RC script-writing skills for the foreseeable future. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvb6IYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy8KwCglf3zwHd0G28UOUgHcUi0lSz4 eGgAni89VMuk6zknVBJRDcqzfPzHbkfB =7+ik -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
yo; it's late here [even i've wimped out:: no-ooo-ooo!]
so i'll reply come morning. ('sall ready 'tomorrow':)
-g
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 05:20:55AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i
figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient
than what came before.
Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power
as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common
PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-)
Yeah, gee-whiz :)
Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but
the same power consumption. :-)
i've thought about this for at Least ten years why not
have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy
machine? but do they have anything with graphics and
keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack?
Don't confuse my use of network terminal with classic serial
terminals. Look, for example, at the devices AXEL builds, or
already present for many years: Sun Ray terminals. They also
have audio I/O, card reader, and USB connectors (where the
keyboard and mouse usually are connected). A regular monitor
(maybe with speakers) makes it a full-featured workstation.
But no data users can mess around with, and its power requirements
are really low.
Our university's library had many of them, and I liked them
because they were completely silent (in difference to the
boring beige PC boxes they scattered around the library).
You can find specs of an AXEL terminal as exemple here:
http://www.axel.com/usa2/prod_ax3.html?mv2_pos=1
They're calling it thin client, but it's terminal. A box
where you plug in a screen and a keyboard and connect it
to a network IS a terminal. :-)
i'm
sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use.
Today's average users are treating their high-end HPC PCs
as worse typewriters, so there are enough cycles to use. :-)
but it
would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse.
Which is no problem using network terminals, everything you need
is a LAN (or maybe even WLAN) connection.
Still, multiple GPUs is possible, but results in a major raise
of power consumption (because you have to use a modern GPU).
Multiple input devices is no problem via USB.
the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super
efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at
least 2GHZ the only drawback is that the a9 is only
32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of
infinity, :-)
ARM is an efficient platform in terms of energy, and I think
it will be more and more important in the future, especially
if you consider the mobile devices market. And when it's good
at running on battery, it's good on running on AC power. When
the industry comes up with extra new energy efficient PC
hardware, we already know that it existed for years. :-)
i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram
ought to be Plenty!!
Hey, 640 kB should be enough for everyone. :-)
i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my
pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins.
So NOBODY got into my poetry!!
That's what they want to make you believe. :-)
according to my /var/log/foo.log files, the only crackins
were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them.
By using means of blocking for known script-kiddie sources, you
can get rid of a lot of useless traffic - and possible trouble.
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Solved - Atheros AR9285 on FreeBSD-8 [WAS: Re: Wireless networking question]
Hello Chip, On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:03:21 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 30 2010 13:39, S Roberts wrote: Hello Chip, Good to hear from you.., On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:52:13 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: On Apr 26 2010 22:00, Carl Chave wrote: More info: I found the following in the output of pciconf -vl: no...@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x10891a3b chip=0x002b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' class = network From here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=174 It looks like someone has already patched 8.0-STABLE: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=6310highlight=Atheros+AR9285 The link to the .diff file 404's now, though. How can I get a copy? Or maybe I should just upgrade to STABLE? Well.., personally, I'd ping the patch author to confirm, but Yes, bumping to next STABLE would be the preferred option myself.., Regards, S Roberts Just for closure: upgrading to 8.0-STABLE went smoothly, and the wireless device works! Excellent - good to hear you got it all working. For posterity, I've updated the Subject Line so that others may benefit from this.., Regards, S Roberts Thanks for the help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) Yeah, gee-whiz :) Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but the same power consumption. :-) Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. 10 disks and lots of noise must use a few watts, though size and weight wouldn't have that much influence per se :) Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
USB mount delay
Hi, I have the problem that on my ALIX system USB is first powered up when the FreeBSD kernel is loading. When local filesystems are mounted the USB disk is not yet ready and booting fails giving me a shell prompt. Shortly after I see the kernel message for the recognized /dev/da0 USB disk, mount it manually and booting can continue. Unfortunately I have to do this manual step every time I boot. The root filesystem is not mounted from USB. The USB disk has non-system relevant data. Is there any way to either tell the kernel to wait some time before mounting local filesystems from USB disks, or to mount filesystems later during boot? I already tried the following sysctl variables in /boot/loader.conf with values of 3000-5000 ms, they did not help: kern.cam.scsi_delay: Delay to allow devices to settle after a SCSI bus reset (ms) hw.usb.ss_delay: USB status stage delay in ms hw.usb.pr_recovery_delay: USB port reset recovery delay in ms hw.usb.no_boot_wait is set to 0. Thanks, Anselm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more), and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. Sounds like a notebook / laptop class computer. 10 disks and lots of noise must use a few watts, though size and weight wouldn't have that much influence per se :) But it's more than 10 years old, too old to seriously measure something! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 03:55:43PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more) Some modern PCs come with such hefty power supplies. Most come with far more modest power supplies. A typical modern PC (not one equipped with the absolutely fastest CPU and graphics card, but rather one intended for office use) normally draw less than 200W under load. If you take a modern PC optimized for low power consumption (such as a laptop) it will draw less than 50W under load. (For really low-power computers it will be less than 30W.) , and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. Sounds like a notebook / laptop class computer. 10 disks and lots of noise must use a few watts, though size and weight wouldn't have that much influence per se :) But it's more than 10 years old, too old to seriously measure something! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On 1/05/2010 11:55 PM, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehousecwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more), and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. You seem to be assuming that a desktop PC draws 100% of its rated current all the time, which I'm happy to say is not the case. Unlike the AS400, where the PSU is sized specifically for the system, a PC power supply is sized for a specific output. Vendors and assemblers are free to choose whatever PSU they wish. Also, CPUs and GPUs now lower their core voltage and clock speed if the extra performance is not required. The 45W (or 65W, 73W, 90W, 125W) quoted by CPU vendors is the amount of power they are reasonably expected to draw under heavy load, not the idle or average draw. My 2 year old desktop uses 60-100 watts depending on how hard it's working. Sounds like a notebook / laptop class computer. I can assure you it is not. I can show the following examples: Core 2 Duo E7400 (about 3GHz), single 7200rpm disk, embedded graphics and network - 44W to 60W depending on what's happening at the time. Adding a discrete GPU (I don't recall the model, but knowing me it's probably a low-end ATI 3000 series) adds 10-30W, again depending on load. Another Core 2 system, an E5200 I think, with 2 x 7200rpm notebook disks, 4GB, embedded graphics and network is also measured at around 45W. I have an overclocked E6300 (running at 2.66GHz, so a 25% overclock), 3GB of RAM, 2 x 7200rpm desktop drives, and a GeForce 7600 that pulls 140W. Note that overclocking generally disables power saving features and increases power use (linear with clock, square with voltage). Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! All the numbers above are measurements before the PSU input (using the Australian version of the Kill-A-Watt) so include the losses due to the PSU itself. To go back to Gary's question, however, I would suggest that the new Core i3 series of processors, along with a new board, will use substantially less power than is marked on the PSU, especially if he is not continually encoding video, rendering animation or designing the next Sydney Harbour Bridge (replace with your own national monument if desired). I use this in my HTPC, and it's quite capable of supporting two XBox media extenders and encoding 576p video in close enough to real time, all simultaneously; while doing so it's probably using less than 110W of electricity. Dave. -- David Rawling Principal Consultant PD Consulting And Security Mob: +61 412 135 513 Email: d...@pdconsec.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Firefox3 - can't deinstall
Hi, Am running FreeBSD 8.0 p2, and had installed Firefox3. Since it keeps crashing when viewing some web pages, I wanted to deinstall it. When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. Which brings up a question, when installing using ports I normally run make install clean. Does this prevent then at later date make deinstall? I was hoping to use the package version of firefox3 to see if it worked any better.. any suggestions tips would be most appreciative. JP ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
On Saturday 01 May 2010 19:14:28 John Pollock wrote: When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. You should use pkg_delete instead: running make deinstall could fail if the port has been updated since installing it. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 19:15 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: On Saturday 01 May 2010 19:14:28 John Pollock wrote: When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. You should use pkg_delete instead: running make deinstall could fail if the port has been updated since installing it. Thank you, pkg_delete firefox\* The above command worked great, wasn't sure the version number installed but the wildcard worked great, now am utilizing: pkg_add -r firefox3 to get the latest package of firefox3. Many thanks, JP ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
John Pollock wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 19:15 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: On Saturday 01 May 2010 19:14:28 John Pollock wrote: When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. You should use pkg_delete instead: running make deinstall could fail if the port has been updated since installing it. Thank you, pkg_delete firefox\* The above command worked great, wasn't sure the version number installed but the wildcard worked great, now am utilizing: pkg_add -r firefox3 to get the latest package of firefox3. Please consider using www/firefox or www/firefox35 instead of firefox3 as Firefox 3.0 is deprecated and will be removed from ports tree soon. Beat ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 308, Issue 10
Yes probably, but for now I can play urban terror as well. Which features are missing ? -- Demelier David What would be awesome is Enemy Territory Quake Wars using the linux compat! The issue is it requires emulation of a later kernel. I also play Urban Terror. Join up on fsk405 Superman! -- Winston Weinert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: More than 8 partitions
Jon Theil Nielsen wrote: Hi I'm running 8.0-Release on an external usb hard drive. and have dual-boot with FreeBSD on da0s2 and Windows XP on da0s1. I made a setup via Sysinstall with 7 partitions: /dev/da0s2a on / (ufs, local) /dev/da0s2b (swap) /dev/da0s2d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2h on /var/log (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2g on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates) I have about 660 GB left unused on da0s2 that I would like to use for backups. But I can't figure out how to create one more partition. If i create a file for bsdlabel like # sizeoffset fstype i: * 0 4.2BSD I get the following error message: line 2: partition name out of range a-h: i I have also tried with gpart: gpart add -s 500G -t freebsd -f x da0s2 I get something like gpart: index '9': No space left on device I thought that 8.0 should support more than 8 partitions. Maybe it does, but then I don't know how to do. Any ideas? I believe that FreeBSD does support more than 8 partitions on a disk (apparently up to 20 using gpart), but that you need sufficient entries for these partitions to be created in the disklabel, viz. gpart create -n 20 ... Some testing seems to indicate that you can manually override this by changing by byte 0x28a of the disk from 0x08 to 0x14, and that bsdlabel / gpart will then allow you to create further partitions on the disk. Kind regards, Christopher Key ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 20:36 +0200, Beat Gaetzi wrote: John Pollock wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 19:15 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: On Saturday 01 May 2010 19:14:28 John Pollock wrote: When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. You should use pkg_delete instead: running make deinstall could fail if the port has been updated since installing it. Thank you, pkg_delete firefox\* The above command worked great, wasn't sure the version number installed but the wildcard worked great, now am utilizing: pkg_add -r firefox3 to get the latest package of firefox3. Please consider using www/firefox or www/firefox35 instead of firefox3 as Firefox 3.0 is deprecated and will be removed from ports tree soon. Beat Good suggestion. Adding firefox35. ;-) Many thanks, JP ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: I am new to BSD
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:34:52AM +, o...@aloha.com wrote: cd /usr/ports/net/asterisk make (get a snack) make install make clean Once you're in the appropriate directory, all the make commands can be kicked off at once: make install clean I prefer to use portinstall and portupgrade. So do I, generally, but knowing how to use make directly to install ports is still a good skill to have, so it's good you brought it up. Be sure to use portsnap to freshen up your ports tree and when you add a new port to an existing system do a portupgrade -a first so what you already have is up to date. Be sure to read /usr/ports/UPDATING before you update anything. The importance of this cannot very easily be overstated. It's better to deal with any special handling the upgrading of specific ports need in advance than to have things break and need to go back and fix them afterward. The /usr/ports/UPDATING file gives the guidance we need to ensure that things get handled right the first time. In fact, I basically never use portupgrade -a, because I want to make sure I don't overlook something. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpGjA1O0WAkv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
On Sat, 1 May 2010, John Pollock wrote: Am running FreeBSD 8.0 p2, and had installed Firefox3. Since it keeps crashing when viewing some web pages, I wanted to deinstall it. When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. What message, exactly? The Firefox ports have moved around, and you may be trying to uninstall one that isn't actually installed. Which brings up a question, when installing using ports I normally run make install clean. Does this prevent then at later date make deinstall? No. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: More than 8 partitions
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 19:44 +0200, Jon Theil Nielsen wrote: Hi I'm running 8.0-Release on an external usb hard drive. and have dual-boot with FreeBSD on da0s2 and Windows XP on da0s1. I made a setup via Sysinstall with 7 partitions: /dev/da0s2a on / (ufs, local) /dev/da0s2b (swap) /dev/da0s2d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2h on /var/log (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2g on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates) I have about 660 GB left unused on da0s2 that I would like to use for backups. But I can't figure out how to create one more partition. If i create a file for bsdlabel like # sizeoffset fstype i: * 0 4.2BSD I get the following error message: line 2: partition name out of range a-h: i I have also tried with gpart: gpart add -s 500G -t freebsd -f x da0s2 I get something like gpart: index '9': No space left on device I thought that 8.0 should support more than 8 partitions. Maybe it does, but then I don't know how to do. Any ideas? Use vinum - thats what I needed to do. Mind I had around 15 partitions to work out so it is effective... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
On Sat, 1 May 2010, Bruce Cran wrote: On Saturday 01 May 2010 19:14:28 John Pollock wrote: When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. You should use pkg_delete instead: running make deinstall could fail if the port has been updated since installing it. Aren't pkg_delete -f and make deinstall the same thing, or effectively the same thing? Also, the last part of that doesn't make sense to me. There are error messages on make deinstall if the files have changed since the original install, but it shouldn't prevent the deinstall. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
Polytropon free...@edvax.de writes: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Seriously? Or joking? How did you measure it? Well... erm... in fact... I didn't measure anything, I just utilized the numbers. :-) Modern PCs come with a 700 W power supply (and more), and the specs for my AS/400e 9406-170 say 654 W with expansion unit (326 W without), measured kVA values (according to manual) are similar. Weight is 70.5 kg, and size is two big towers side by side. Knowing the capacity of the power supply (in this case, 700 watts) doesn't tell you any more about how much power it's using right now than knowing my car's top speed would tell you anything about how long it takes me to drive to work. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 03:58:36AM +1000, David Rawling wrote: Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! . . . and they still draw significantly less power than an LCD television plus DVR, even if you add in the power draw of an LCD monitor. If you're really concerned about power consumption, make sure that you look for the bottleneck, just as you would when trying to get better performance out of your computer or your network. Even if your computer is drawing a whole lot of power, you might be better off replacing your television and DVR unit with a computer than replacing the computer with another computer that draws less power. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpKJqK5gsPcO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 13:13 -0600, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 1 May 2010, John Pollock wrote: Am running FreeBSD 8.0 p2, and had installed Firefox3. Since it keeps crashing when viewing some web pages, I wanted to deinstall it. When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. What message, exactly? The Firefox ports have moved around, and you may be trying to uninstall one that isn't actually installed. Which brings up a question, when installing using ports I normally run make install clean. Does this prevent then at later date make deinstall? No. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA Hi Warren, Although, I've closed the console that had the message. It basically stated: Can't make deinstall, firefox3 not installed. -- something to that effect. However, the pkg_delete command was able to deinstall it. Thank you, for the information about make clean part of the command. I think the problem, was that I had installed FreeBSD 8.0 RELEASE, then added the firefox3 port, then about a few weeks later upgraded to p2 version and ran portupgrade. All is good right now. Have firefox35 now installed and working. JP ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 05:20:55AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient than what came before. Oh, you mean that a modern desktop PC consumes as much power as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-) Yeah, gee-whiz :) Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but the same power consumption. :-) i've thought about this for at Least ten years why not have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy machine? but do they have anything with graphics and keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack? Don't confuse my use of network terminal with classic serial terminals. Look, for example, at the devices AXEL builds, or already present for many years: Sun Ray terminals. They also have audio I/O, card reader, and USB connectors (where the keyboard and mouse usually are connected). A regular monitor (maybe with speakers) makes it a full-featured workstation. But no data users can mess around with, and its power requirements are really low. Our university's library had many of them, and I liked them because they were completely silent (in difference to the boring beige PC boxes they scattered around the library). You can find specs of an AXEL terminal as exemple here: http://www.axel.com/usa2/prod_ax3.html?mv2_pos=1 They're calling it thin client, but it's terminal. A box where you plug in a screen and a keyboard and connect it to a network IS a terminal. :-) i'll check it out when i'm using evo or kmail. i'm using my olden mutt rt now. with me, one issue is that i just bought a 20 widescreen that i use [via KVA] for most of my computers. o/wise, i like the idea. sure save on power; maybe even help save the Earth, altho it may be too late. i'm sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use. Today's average users are treating their high-end HPC PCs as worse typewriters, so there are enough cycles to use. :-) yeah, you can put that in a do-loop ... i do more reading/research theses days, so not even a fancy typewriter!! but it would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse. Which is no problem using network terminals, everything you need is a LAN (or maybe even WLAN) connection. i do have a [TINY] LAN. i use ssh mostly, but kvm too. Still, multiple GPUs is possible, but results in a major raise of power consumption (because you have to use a modern GPU). Multiple input devices is no problem via USB. the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at least 2GHZ the only drawback is that the a9 is only 32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of infinity, :-) ARM is an efficient platform in terms of energy, and I think it will be more and more important in the future, especially if you consider the mobile devices market. And when it's good at running on battery, it's good on running on AC power. When the industry comes up with extra new energy efficient PC hardware, we already know that it existed for years. :-) at the linux meeting last month someone mentioned that the ARM chip might be a good place for the linux/free-OS types to do major work. the parts for the A9 are already available. or almost. it wouldn't take much to build a very effivirnt pc-class box. max it out with 4g of ram, and maybe 64g of SSD. linux, bsd, save-the-earth lowpower? it is coming; just a matter of who wants to be a zillionaire... . i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram ought to be Plenty!! Hey, 640 kB should be enough for everyone. :-) lolololol. (best laugh this week) i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins. So NOBODY got into my poetry!! That's what they want to make you believe. :-) according to my /var/log/foo.log files, the only crackins were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them. By using means of blocking for known script-kiddie sources, you can get rid of a lot of useless traffic - and possible trouble. i ran my script every few hours for 6, 8 months, then finally had no more hits. there is a finite number of those kiddies:) gary -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 03:58:36AM +1000, David Rawling wrote: On 1/05/2010 11:55 PM, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2010 11:59:52 +0100, Chris Whitehousecwhi...@onetel.com wrote: [[ ]] Core 2 Duo E7400 (about 3GHz), single 7200rpm disk, embedded graphics and network - 44W to 60W depending on what's happening at the time. Adding a discrete GPU (I don't recall the model, but knowing me it's probably a low-end ATI 3000 series) adds 10-30W, again depending on load. interesting that a 2-core is about what my ibm thinkpad 3.08ghz is rated at. it's from '05, used, natch, and i had ram and a harddrive upgrade. just my 0.02cents' worth. Another Core 2 system, an E5200 I think, with 2 x 7200rpm notebook disks, 4GB, embedded graphics and network is also measured at around 45W. I have an overclocked E6300 (running at 2.66GHz, so a 25% overclock), 3GB of RAM, 2 x 7200rpm desktop drives, and a GeForce 7600 that pulls 140W. Note that overclocking generally disables power saving features and increases power use (linear with clock, square with voltage). Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! i leave most of my boxen running 24/7, so it adds up. when my new 2005 custom-built 2.8ghz box died last fall, i hauled it out. i did have to buy the new Dell Core Duo (or whatever); that was months of head banging and begging favors. and because my kvm wires are not plugged in correctly, i can't get to the server to (1) add X11 + KDE and (2) do anything graphic with ~kline on that system. so waiting for somebody i can ask to come over and figure out what's going on. THEN, i'll add my backup 2- or 4-core box as a server backup and to run pc-bsd on. All the numbers above are measurements before the PSU input (using the Australian version of the Kill-A-Watt) so include the losses due to the PSU itself. To go back to Gary's question, however, I would suggest that the new Core i3 series of processors, along with a new board, will use substantially less power than is marked on the PSU, especially if he is not continually encoding video, rendering animation or designing the next Sydney Harbour Bridge (replace with your own national monument if desired). I use this in my HTPC, and it's quite capable of supporting two XBox media extenders and encoding 576p video in close enough to real time, all simultaneously; while doing so it's probably using less than 110W of electricity. :-) more decoding than ecoding since i watch a lot of public tv streams. because the house is only around 15meter above sea level, i'm keep an eye out for how how the sound rises here in seattle. i'm thinking of planting some palm trees and retiring to Nome eventually... . (do you hear these idjots who still believe the earth if flat and that global warming is a commie plot || whatever? ...i just snap off the radio!) thanks for the core i3 series advice, dave. i'll surf around. gary :wq Dave. -- David Rawling Principal Consultant PD Consulting And Security Mob: +61 412 135 513 Email: d...@pdconsec.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Firefox3 - can't deinstall
On Sat, 1 May 2010, John Pollock wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 13:13 -0600, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 1 May 2010, John Pollock wrote: Am running FreeBSD 8.0 p2, and had installed Firefox3. Since it keeps crashing when viewing some web pages, I wanted to deinstall it. When I cd /usr/ports/www/firefox3 then run make deinstall, I get a error message that port is not installed. What message, exactly? The Firefox ports have moved around, and you may be trying to uninstall one that isn't actually installed. Which brings up a question, when installing using ports I normally run make install clean. Does this prevent then at later date make deinstall? No. Although, I've closed the console that had the message. It basically stated: Can't make deinstall, firefox3 not installed. -- something to that effect. However, the pkg_delete command was able to deinstall it. No, this is exactly what I meant. Firefox ports changed names not too long ago. The port you were in was not the one that was actually installed (or it had changed names). Thank you, for the information about make clean part of the command. I think the problem, was that I had installed FreeBSD 8.0 RELEASE, then added the firefox3 port, then about a few weeks later upgraded to p2 version and ran portupgrade. That's fine, should work with no problems. As long as you don't change FreeBSD versions (like going from FreeBSD 8 to 9), you can continue to upgrade ports without problems. All is good right now. Have firefox35 now installed and working. Unfortunately, that's an obsolete port now. www/firefox is the main one, currently at version 3.6. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:32:49PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 03:58:36AM +1000, David Rawling wrote: Servers tend to be worse - I have a matched pair of Acer servers with single 3GHz P4 class Xeons, 2GB of RAM, 3 x 7200rpm disks and dual NICs. Those systems pull 220W and they're the next ones I'm ditching for something that uses less power! . . . and they still draw significantly less power than an LCD television plus DVR, even if you add in the power draw of an LCD monitor. If you're really concerned about power consumption, make sure that you look for the bottleneck, just as you would when trying to get better performance out of your computer or your network. Even if your computer is drawing a whole lot of power, you might be better off replacing your television and DVR unit with a computer than replacing the computer with another computer that draws less power. hmm. a year++ ago i bought a hidef tv for around $1K. (remember, guys, your wives are going to want [[order you]] to buy a $zillion wood enclousure. whatever it's called. 20' long stand, cabinet+shelves. plus this totally useless But pricey thing on top that runs across the cabinets. so yeah, we got rid of our olden 400w tv set and vcr.) in short, do it because it's thhe right thing, not necessarily the most cost effective thing. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ziz a dumb question?
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 03:33:29PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: hmm. a year++ ago i bought a hidef tv for around $1K. (remember, guys, your wives are going to want [[order you]] to buy a $zillion wood enclousure. whatever it's called. 20' long stand, cabinet+shelves. plus this totally useless But pricey thing on top that runs across the cabinets. so yeah, we got rid of our olden 400w tv set and vcr.) in short, do it because it's thhe right thing, not necessarily the most cost effective thing. Well, of course (and the wooden enclosure is usually an entertainment center). I was speaking of the most value per purchase in terms of power consumption, not dollars spent. How much you're actually spending is for you to sort out. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp0EXmaaDsSY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More than 8 partitions
2010/5/1 Christopher Key cj...@cam.ac.uk Jon Theil Nielsen wrote: Hi I'm running 8.0-Release on an external usb hard drive. and have dual-boot with FreeBSD on da0s2 and Windows XP on da0s1. I made a setup via Sysinstall with 7 partitions: /dev/da0s2a on / (ufs, local) /dev/da0s2b (swap) /dev/da0s2d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2h on /var/log (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/da0s2g on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates) I have about 660 GB left unused on da0s2 that I would like to use for backups. But I can't figure out how to create one more partition. If i create a file for bsdlabel like # sizeoffset fstype i: * 0 4.2BSD I get the following error message: line 2: partition name out of range a-h: i I have also tried with gpart: gpart add -s 500G -t freebsd -f x da0s2 I get something like gpart: index '9': No space left on device I thought that 8.0 should support more than 8 partitions. Maybe it does, but then I don't know how to do. Any ideas? I believe that FreeBSD does support more than 8 partitions on a disk (apparently up to 20 using gpart), but that you need sufficient entries for these partitions to be created in the disklabel, viz. gpart create -n 20 ... Some testing seems to indicate that you can manually override this by changing by byte 0x28a of the disk from 0x08 to 0x14, and that bsdlabel / gpart will then allow you to create further partitions on the disk. Kind regards, Christopher Key Thanks Christopher I am not sure if I understand all of if. And I wouldn't like to wipe the drive to test if is possible to mass produce partitions like that. Could be useful in another situation, though. My knowlodge of GEOM and its utilities is very limited. Since I have succeded in creating the two slices with fdisk and subsequently populate them with bsdlabel, my only problem is how to create the last partition from the unpartioned space on da0s2. As mentioned in the beginning of this post, I have tried with both bsdlabel (from a file) and by issuing the gpart add command. With no luck. Would it be any help to give more specific about the drive/slice? The output of df -h | grep dev/da0 is: /dev/da0s2a 3.9G 630M2.9G17%/ /dev/da0s2g97G 160K 89G 0%/home /dev/da0s2e 3.9G 129M3.4G 4%/tmp /dev/da0s2f48G 6.6G 38G15%/usr /dev/da0s2d 9.7G 151M8.8G 2%/var /dev/da0s2h 3.9G 1.5M3.6G 0%/var/log and of gpart show da0: = 0 1759551255 da0s2 BSD (839G) 0 1048576 - free - (512M) 1048576 8318064 2 freebsd-swap (4.0G) 9366640 7303168 - free - (3.5G) 16669808 8388608 1 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) 2505841620971520 4 freebsd-ufs (10G) 46029936 8388608 5 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) 54418544 104857600 6 freebsd-ufs (50G) 159276144 209715200 7 freebsd-ufs (100G) 936891344 8388608 8 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) 377379952 1382171303 - free - (659G) and, finaly, of bsdlabel da0s2: # /dev/da0s2: 8 partitions: #size offsetfstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a:8388608 166698084.2BSD0 0 0 b:83180641048576 swap c: 1759551255 0unused0 0 # raw part, don't edit d: 20971520 250584164.2BSD0 0 0 e:8388608 460299364.2BSD0 0 0 f: 104857600 544185444.2BSD0 0 0 g: 209715200 1592761444.2BSD0 0 0 h:8388608 3689913444.2BSD0 0 0 In my desparate effort to understand these informations/data, i have put them into a spreadsheet and rearranged them - including some of my own calculations and assumptions. bsdlabel output - sorted by sector offset: #size offset (GB*) c 1.759.551.2550839 b 8.318.0641.048.576 4 a 8.388.608 16.669.808 4 d 20.971.520 25.058.416 10 e 8.388.608 46.029.936 4 f 104.857.600 54.418.544 50 g 209.715.200 159.276.144100 h 8.388.608 368.991.344 4 gpart show output - sorted by sector offset: (#) (size)(offset) (GB) (offset*) (GiB*)(i) 1.048.57600,5 01 free b 8.318.0641.048.576 4 1.048.5764 2 7.303.1689.366.6403,5 9.366.6403 free a 8.388.608 16.669.808 4 16.669.8084 1 d 20.971.520 25.058.416 10 25.058.416 10 4 e 8.388.608 46.029.936 4 46.029.9364 5 f104.857.600 54.418.544 50 46.029.936 50 6 g209.715.200
Can't compile devel/gobject-introspection under 7.2
I'm trying to install deskutils/calibre but it is failing when it
tries to compile gobject-introspection. I get the errors below and
then it just hangs.
I'm running 7.2-RELEASE-p7 with a GENERIC i386 kernel and I updated my
ports tree yesterday (1 May). Given the version bump to png I took
the belt-and-braces approach of then doing a pkg_delete -a and
cleaning out my /usr/local/lib directory before adding back in all my
ports one by one. It all went smoothly until I tried adding calibre.
I've done a google search and found two other people who reported the same
problem (one under 7.2 and the other with 8.0) but no
workaround/fixes. Has anything else seen this? There is nothing in
UPDATING. The must (please) be a solution because this port is used
by pretty much anything gnome-related so it would be widely used.
env LPATH=.libs env PYTHONPATH=..:..:YTHONPATH
UNINSTALLED_INTROSPECTION_SRCDIR=.. UNINSTALLED_INTROSPECTION_BUILDDIR=..
../tools/g-ir-scanner -v --add-include-path=../gir --add-include-path=. -v
--add-include-path=../gir --add-include-path=. --namespace=GLib --nsversion=2.0
--libtool=/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/libtool --library=glib-2.0 --pkg=glib-2.0
--noclosure --strip-prefix=g --c-include=glib.h -I/usr/local/include
-I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -DGETTEXT_PACKAGE=Dummy -D__G_I18N_LIB_H__
/usr/local/include/glib-2.0/glibconfig.h /usr/local/include/glib-2.0/glib/*.h
./glib-2.0.c --output GLib-2.0.gir
In file included from stdin:23:
/usr/local/include/glib-2.0/glib/ghostutils.h:21:2: error: #error Only
glib.h can be included directly.
/usr/include/machine/endian.h:146: syntax error, unexpected '{' in ' return
(__extension__ ({ register __uint32_t __X = (_x); __asm (bswap %0 : +r
(__X)); __X; }));' at '{'
/usr/include/machine/endian.h:146: syntax error, unexpected ';' in ' return
(__extension__ ({ register __uint32_t __X = (_x); __asm (bswap %0 : +r
(__X)); __X; }));' at ';'
/usr/include/machine/endian.h:153: syntax error, unexpected '{' in ' return
(__extension__ ({ register __uint16_t __X = (_x); __asm (xchgb %h0, %b0 :
+q (__X)); __X; }));' at '{'
/usr/include/machine/endian.h:153: syntax error, unexpected ';' in ' return
(__extension__ ({ register __uint16_t __X = (_x); __asm (xchgb %h0, %b0 :
+q (__X)); __X; }));' at ';'
Any help greatly appreciated.
Barbara
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