Cannot print from Opera

[Martin Schweizer]

[Sorry for the nosy post again but I did a typo]

Hello 

My system: FreeBSD 8.1 AMD64, KDE 4.4.5, cups-base-1.4.3

I can print from Firefox, OpenOffice and all KDE applications over cups but not 
from Opera:
- opera-10.10.20091120_2
- opera-linuxplugins-10.10.20091120_2

I also checked http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/ but with no luck (and 
tried a view other things). If I print from the file menu nothing occurs (no 
error messages in /var/log/ too or I did not find it...).

Any ideas?
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What is the meaning of this warn?

[Jason]

HI,ALL:

My freebsd server offer service to thousands of clients.
I found lots of warning in the /var/log/message like this :"Approaching
the limit on PV entries, consider increasing either the
vm.pmap.shpgperproc or the vm.pmap.pv_entry_max tunable"

My question is :
1.what is the meaning of PV?
2.Although there are lots of this warning,my server works still well.
Could someone explain the meaning of this warning ?
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Printing from linux-firefox

[Malcolm Kay]

Having trouble getting flshh to work with native firefox,
I decided to try one or other of the linux versions.

With
linux-firefox-devel-3.5.9
I was able to get flash wworking OK.
But the linux version does not find any any printer access.
I am using (traditional) lpd for spooling to a Postscript
network printer.

Is there something I need to do so that the linux emulation is 
aware of the native level lpd spooler?

The native version of firefox finds my printer OK.

Any help appreciated.

Malcolm

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Re: I donot like using mergemaster ?

[Adam Vande More]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Charlie Kester wrote:

> On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 18:17:09 PDT zaxis wrote:
>
>>
>> I want to upgrade my freebsd 8.0  to 8.1.  I have read all the steps about
>> upgrading freebsd. I feel mergemaster  is difficult to use e.g. which
>> parameters should i use ?   (you may wish to use -U or -ai or -Fi)
>>
>
> I usually use -p when invoking mergemaster before installworld, and -F
> after.  I.e.:
>
> ...
> # mergemaster -p
> # make installworld
> # mergemaster -F
> ...
>

mergemaster -iFU

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Re: BSD logo

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:29:37AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 08:47:30AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
> >
> > I guess that depends on which period of Latin one studies.  From Latin
> > Pronunciation Demystified:
> > 
> > http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf
> > 
> > ae like English ai in aisle
> > 
> > Which is how I pronounce ae in Latin.  On the other hand, I've always
> > pronounced daemon like day-mohn, probably from hearing Jon Pertwee
> > pronounce it that way in the Doctor Who episode The Dæmons.
> 
> Without downloading a PDF and reading it . . . do you know what Latin
> variant is used in that document?

No, without download and reading the PDF I wouldn't know what Latin
variant is used in that document.  :-)  Since it was only a 39K file,
there was no reason for me to worry about downloading it.  

> Is it classical, church, or scientifically bastardized Latin (for
> instance)?  I'm curious.

Yes, to all of the above.  It has a chart showing a few pronunciations
including classical which it describes as the reconstructed ancient
pronunciation.  It even includes an "English method" which is
basically pronouncing Latin words as if they were English words.

> I know that in at least some contexts the Latin pronunciation is more
> "dee" than "dai" for daemon, and that "dee" is the pronunciation
> generally considered "correct" for server processes in Unix systems.
> Beyond that, it's entirely possible there are other pronunciations of
> which I am not aware -- though I'm pretty sure "day" is solely an
> artifact of people trying to figure out how to pronounce terms that
> contain the ae (or the æ ligature) without actually trying to look it up.

The above document describes ae in classical pronunciation as like ai
in aisle and in all other pronunciations like Latin ē.  It describes
Latin ē in all pronunciations, except the English method, as like a in
plate.  Going by the above the first syllable of daemon could be
pronounced like day.




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Re: growisofs gives random error messages on 8.1 amd64

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Monday 26 July 2010 09:11:22 Polytropon wrote:
> 
> Your command was
> 
>   growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z /dev/cd0=imagefile.iso'
> 
> You can omit the -speed parameter as growisofs usually (this means,
> at least by my individual experience) will automatically determine
> the correct writing speed.

the speed parameter got stuck after I tried the lowest supported speed to 
exclude the speed as the cause.
> 
> As writing started - your example did show that - I don't think
> it's a problem with permissions (cd, pass, xpt devices).

I did it as root.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:35:53 +0800, Erich Dollansky 
>  wrote:
> > The output is random. It even claimed once to have the DVD finished.
> 
> 
> > But the DVD is not mountable.
> 
> Check "file - < /dev/acd0" if an ISO file system has been written
> to the DVD.
> 
> 
> 
> > As it was never used to burn, it also could be a hardware problem.
> > Reading was not a problem on 8.0.
> 
> Could be, especially if you consider the range of errors, from "no
> write at all" to "finished writing" (with no readable result).

These optical media drive me crazy. I once have had a CD with a very fine 
crack. Once it worked, once it did not. Over time, the crack became visible. As 
it was an installation CD it caused a lot of problems before realising that the 
CD is the source.
> 
> 
> 
> > I followed this advice:
> > 
> > http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html#q6
> 
> Just for testing, I would first eleminate HAL and all the "automation
> magic". The test setting should be as "clean" as possible.
> 
Ok, this is what I will do later when my main work has finished using X.
> 
> Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0

My first BSD was running on a PDP-11 in 79. Some time has passed since then.

Erich
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Re: I donot like using mergemaster ?

[Charlie Kester]

On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 18:17:09 PDT zaxis wrote:


I want to upgrade my freebsd 8.0  to 8.1.  I have read all the steps about
upgrading freebsd. I feel mergemaster  is difficult to use e.g. which
parameters should i use ?   (you may wish to use -U or -ai or -Fi)


I usually use -p when invoking mergemaster before installworld, and -F
after.  I.e.:

...
# mergemaster -p
# make installworld
# mergemaster -F
...

I don't know what the other mergemaster options do, but I've never felt
the need for them.
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I donot like using mergemaster ?

[zaxis]

I want to upgrade my freebsd 8.0  to 8.1.  I have read all the steps about
upgrading freebsd. I feel mergemaster  is difficult to use e.g. which
parameters should i use ?   (you may wish to use -U or -ai or -Fi)  

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Re: growisofs gives random error messages on 8.1 amd64

[Polytropon]

Sadly, I can't help you very much because I'm using a HAL/DBUS free
system. That's why my assumption that HAL may be the source of your
problem is just a wild guess. If it's possible, disable HAL, maybe
even don't boot into Gnome, and run the growisofs as the manpage
illustrates. See if the problem occurs then, too.

Your command was

growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z /dev/cd0=imagefile.iso'

You can omit the -speed parameter as growisofs usually (this means,
at least by my individual experience) will automatically determine
the correct writing speed.

As writing started - your example did show that - I don't think
it's a problem with permissions (cd, pass, xpt devices).


On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:35:53 +0800, Erich Dollansky 
 wrote:
> The output is random. It even claimed once to have the DVD finished.


> But the DVD is not mountable.

Check "file - < /dev/acd0" if an ISO file system has been written
to the DVD.



> As it was never used to burn, it also could be a hardware problem.
> Reading was not a problem on 8.0.

Could be, especially if you consider the range of errors, from "no
write at all" to "finished writing" (with no readable result).



> I followed this advice:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html#q6

Just for testing, I would first eleminate HAL and all the "automation
magic". The test setting should be as "clean" as possible.



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growisofs gives random error messages on 8.1 amd64

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

I am trying to get the DVD burner running on 8.1 

The machine:  8.1-STABLE FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #3: Sat Jul 24 20:56:05 SGT 2010

I have atapicam enabled. I lock HAL. Still, it seems I am missing something or 
there is a problem with my hardware.

The command:

hal-lock --interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Storage --udi 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVDRAM_GH22NS40 --run 'growisofs 
-dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z /dev/cd0=imagefile.iso'
Executing 'builtin_dd if=imagefile.iso of=/dev/pass0 obs=32k seek=0'

The output:

Executing 'builtin_dd if=imagefile.iso of=/dev/pass0 obs=32k seek=0'
/dev/pass0: "Current Write Speed" is 4.1x1352KBps.
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
:-( unable to wr...@lba=0h: Input/output error
:-( write failed: Input/output error

The output is random. It even claimed once to have the DVD finished. But the 
DVD is not mountable.

As it was never used to burn, it also could be a hardware problem. Reading was 
not a problem on 8.0.

Does anybody have any idea what I am missing?

Erich

PS:

What I did:

I added from the handbook atapicam according to the handbook:

'18.6.9 Using the ATAPI/CAM Driver"

I followed this advice:

http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html#q6

I tried to sent this question yesterday but most likely it never reached this 
list.
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Re: Port upgrade problem

[Petre Bandac]

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Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> "Petre Bandac"  writes:
> 
>> While upgrading port, I have the following problems:
>> - some cfg files are overwritten (authdaemon's authmysqlrc)
> 
> I can't figure out what port that comes from, so I can't help.

courier-authlib-mysql-0.63.0_1 - the file is
/usr/local/etc/authlib/authmysqlrc

>> - some make install options are not kept (maildrop - not compiled against 
>> mysql and courier imap - fam is compiled, even though initially was ruled 
>> out)
> 
> Those aren't set up as OPTIONS, so they won't get stored in
> /var/db/ports.  
> 
>> The upgrade sequence is:
>>
>> # portsnap fetch update
>> # portmanager -u
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong?
> 
> See "alternative configuration" in the portmanager manual.

I guess that is what I need, thank you

however, I don't remember to have had this problem until now (i.e.
options not being kept @ update); or they had the same behavior ?

thank you for your time,

petre

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Re: BSD logo

[David Brodbeck]

On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Charlie Kester wrote:


On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 00:57:14 PDT per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:


This discussion has drifted badly OT


Yes, and it really should be killed, now.  Please.

My thanks to those few who did NOT take it as an occasion for
Christian-bashing.  I'm not a Christian either, but I do get tired  
of it

being the only religion people feel entitled to poke fun at.


Well, two points:

1. I've actually heard a lot more Muslim-bashing in the last several  
years than Christian bashing, but I suppose confirmation bias intrudes  
on this sort of thing pretty badly.


2. Personally, I feel there's something wrong with any religion whose  
followers have no sense of humor about it.



It also hasn't escaped my notice that the original poster has never  
come back to this thread; I suspect we've been trolled, folks.


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em0 and FreeBSD8.1

[Graeme Dargie]

Hello All,

I installed 8.1 yesterday on vmware exsi, all seemed to go fine, but
today I noticed when I fired up phpsysinfo a lot of dropped packets.

Device  ReceivedSentErr/Drop
em0 0.00 KB 0.00 KB 343/0
plip0   0.00 KB 0.00 KB 0/0
lo0 0.00 KB 0.00 KB 0/0

%ifconfig
em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu
1500
options=9b
ether 00:0c:29:6d:51:a9
inet 192.168.1.120 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT )
status: active


The machine that vmware runs on has intel gb based nics and I also run
pfsense as my router firewall on the same vmware exsi machine and it has
not dropped a packet.

Device  ReceivedSentErr/Drop
em0 725.40 MB   1.19 GB 0/0
em1 3.49 GB 2.46 GB 0/0
lo0 375.63 KB   375.63 KB   0/0
enc0*   0.00 KB 0.00 KB 0/0
pfsyn   0.00 KB 0.00 KB 0/0
pflog   0.00 KB 146.35 MB   0/0

em1: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu
1500
options=9b
ether 00:0c:29:f0:0c:c3
inet 192.168.1.250 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
inet6 fe80::20c:29ff:fef0:cc3%em1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseTX )
status: active

The only difference I can see is according to phpsysinfo the 8.1 machine
shows - Intel Corporation - Gigabit Ethernet Controller (copper)
(82545EM)
Where as the pfsense vm shows em0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
6.9.6


Any one any ideas why this is showing dropped packets.

Regards

Graeme

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Re: BSD logo

[Charlie Kester]

On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 14:42:14 PDT Matthew Seaman wrote:


Besides, I suspect that the OP was not in fact genuinely offended but
merely trying to stir up trouble


Which makes it all the more disappointing that so many of you took the
bait.

I stand by my previous comments.  Please end this thread, now.  


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Re: BSD logo

[Matthew Seaman]

On 25/07/2010 21:13:49, Chad Perrin wrote:
> "I'd think a devout Christian *who isn't an idiot* would have much more
> reason to complain about a Flying Spaghetti Monster . . ."

Ah, but a non-idiotic, devout Christian would realise that the point of
the FSM is not to attack religion per-se, but a satire on the sort of
self-righteous, perniciously ignorant behaviour undertaken in the name
of Religion.  (which behaviour is, by-the-by, actually against the the
precepts of humility and tolerance that are meant to be core Christian
values. But wotthehell, wotthehell.)  A true Christian might not feel
able to publically endorse the Pastafarian faith, but they should
certainly agree with its objectives.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: BSD logo

[Matthew Seaman]

On 25/07/2010 19:23:59, Charlie Kester wrote:
> My thanks to those few who did NOT take it as an occasion for
> Christian-bashing.  I'm not a Christian either, but I do get tired of it
> being the only religion people feel entitled to poke fun at.

As far as I know, Christians are the only religious group certain
members of which have seen fit to complain about the FreeBSD logo.

As far as I'm concerned, any person making such a superstitious and
nonsensical statement opens themselves up to a spot of well deserved
ridicule.  Regardless of what their faith is.  Fortunately, most
practitioners of most faiths nowadays seem to have abandoned
superstition and adopted reason.

Besides, I suspect that the OP was not in fact genuinely offended but
merely trying to stir up trouble, given that the message was sent using
mPOP Web-Mail[*]; a well-known spamming tool, and while the message
appears to be from a Russian mail service, it actually originated from
somewhere in Canada.

Cheers,

Matthew

[*] SpamAssassin slam-dunked it into the junk folder.  If no one had
answered, I'd never even have noticed it.

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Re: popt-1.50 or better??

[Gary Kline]

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:53:03PM +, b. f. wrote:
> >here are the last few lines of output from configure, ots-0.5.0:
> >
> >checking for pkg-config... /usr/X11R6/bin/pkg-config
> >checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.4.23... yes
> >checking OTS_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0
> >-I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2
> >-I/usr/local/include
> >checking OTS_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2
> >checking for poptParseArgvString in -lpopt... no
> >configure: error: popt 1.5 or newer is required to build ots.
> >You can download the latest version from
> >ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/
> 
> 
> poptParseArgvString is in the $PREFIX/lib/libpopt.so.0 library from
> our devel/popt port. The latest available version of this software is
> 1.16, in the Red Hat repos.  Look at the configure script to determine
> why it can't find the symbol. Maybe you need to reinstall devel/popt,
> or patch the configure script.
> 


can anybody tell me how to upgrade just this one file:
devel/popt?  i tried various forms up portupgrade.  zip.

i'm interested in anything that is an improvment on old getopt().
that said, i remember fu==ooling around w ith doing things the 
=long= way. having an "#include "  with those few dozen
lines of code hidden away would be a ++win.


gary

PS: we do have ots; it's in textproc.  check it out, guys.  seems
to work out/box.

pps:: it is time for a C2012 or the like... 



> 
> b.

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Re: cpu_reset: stopping other CPUs - machine stalls at halt or reboot

[claudiu vasadi]

Rob,

In the meantime I installed a "real" freebsd on my work T400 and I am
experiencing the same thing. I believe that at this point I can rule out a
vmware problem.

PS: I also tried hard rebooting after I consider the sync done and I did not
experience any weird behavior. Still  is it intended to stall so long ?

I hope not, because I don't like it.
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Re: cpu_reset: stopping other CPUs - machine stalls at halt or reboot

[Rob Farmer]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:24 PM, claudiu vasadi
 wrote:
> Hello fellas,
>
>
> I have a vmware FreeBSD guest with 8 CPU's and 2GB RAM.
>
> I am a bit puzzled of the behaviour the system has when I issue "reboot"
> and/or "halt -p now". It shows "cpu_reset: stopping other CPUs" and stalls
> for ~2 minutes.
>
> I have a custom SMP kernel and at the moment I was unable to reveal any
> problems with the guest or the host (win 7).
>
> FreeBSD has all ports up to date and at the moment of reboot or shutdown, no
> "heavy" is running.
>
>
> Did any of you experience something similar ?

Yeah - I've seen the same thing when rebooting - the cpu_reset message
appears and there is a long delay before a reboot happens. I have no
problems powering off though (shutdown -p). I've got a -current vm
under 6.5.4 with 2 CPUs, host OS is Windows 7,  that can take a while
to reboot. I haven't timed it but 90 seconds from the message
appearing is a good estimate. Since the disks should already be synced
by that point, there doesn't seem to be any harm in just resetting the
VM - I've done it a number of times and never had any issues.

However, even on a real computer, there is a bit of a delay here - my
Thinkpad T61 will sit there for around 20 seconds before actually
rebooting. I have no idea how to even start debugging this kind of
thing and it isn't a really big deal to me (I don't reboot too often
and just use the workaround when I do), so I never reported it.

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xfce4, Thunar, and removable drives

[Warren Block]

With xfce4, USB memory sticks or hard drives cause an auto-mount (via 
hal)... and then multiple copies of the same device appear on the 
desktop.


For example, a Sandisk 8G USB stick with one UFS slice filling the whole 
device, volume label "sandisk8g".


With Thunar set to "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged", "Mount 
removable media when inserted", and "Browse removable media when 
inserted", connecting the stick causes two Thunar windows to open. 
Both point to /media/sandisk8g.


Removing the stick cleanly is also a little difficult.  Right-click, 
unmount... and then quickly remove it, or it will be remounted by the 
system and up come the two windows again.


Is this something due to hal seeing new volumes appear under the device 
name (da0s1) and the volume label?  I have not been successful in 
getting hal to stop looking at certain /dev directories.

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cpu_reset: stopping other CPUs - machine stalls at halt or reboot

[claudiu vasadi]

Hello fellas,


I have a vmware FreeBSD guest with 8 CPU's and 2GB RAM.

I am a bit puzzled of the behaviour the system has when I issue "reboot"
and/or "halt -p now". It shows "cpu_reset: stopping other CPUs" and stalls
for ~2 minutes.

I have a custom SMP kernel and at the moment I was unable to reveal any
problems with the guest or the host (win 7).

FreeBSD has all ports up to date and at the moment of reboot or shutdown, no
"heavy" is running.


Did any of you experience something similar ?
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Re: BSD logo

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:20:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 25 July 2010:
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:54:37AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I'd think a devout Christian would have much more reason to complain
> > about a Flying Spaghetti Monster (whose only purpose is to mock mystical
> > belief systems) than a Daemon, ...
> 
> 
> 
> On the contrary, they fear competition much more than direct opposition.
> That's why the bloodiest religious wars are usually between similar systems.
> Thus, an opposing mythical symbol is more threatening, provided it's
> taken seriously -- the attempt to cast it seriously is an attempt to
> frame an enemy.
> 
> Actually, the deeper, unspoken threat is that it won't be taken seriously
> -- providing a precedent for the demotion of all mythical symbols.

Allow me to rephrase:

"I'd think a devout Christian *who isn't an idiot* would have much more
reason to complain about a Flying Spaghetti Monster . . ."

Of course, I'm assuming that "devout" precludes being a pretender to
faithfulness who is only engaging in spiritually empty propaganda.

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Re: BSD logo

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:49:43PM +0530, me wrote:
> ...and thus the Godwin's law holds!
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Shouldn't this have been a response to the guy *before* me?

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Re: BSD logo

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:23:59AM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
> On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 00:57:14 PDT per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> 
> >This discussion has drifted badly OT
> 
> Yes, and it really should be killed, now.  Please.
> 
> My thanks to those few who did NOT take it as an occasion for
> Christian-bashing.  I'm not a Christian either, but I do get tired of it
> being the only religion people feel entitled to poke fun at. 

I'm as much a fan of people looking for reasons to be offended on someone
else's behalf as much as I am of people looking for reasons to be
offended on their own behalf.  Very little in this discussion was about
Christianity or Christians, per se.

If you don't like it for being off-topic, fine.  There's no reason to
believe it is "Christian-bashing", however -- because, at least for the
most part, it isn't (unless you think one person asking for the mascot to
be changed is representative of the entirety of Christianity, and by
disagreeing with him we are "Christian-bashing").

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Re: BSD logo

[me]

...and thus the Godwin's law holds!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Chad Perrin  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:54:37AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote:
> >
> > Suppose for a moment that BSD would have forked to FBSD first in the
> > East, say by a group of Indian Buddhist computer science students, and
> > their choice of logo was a funny cartoon of a smiling Buddha holding a
> > Swastika above it's head. The intention here would matter little to
> > the common Jew, as he would probably feel immediately uncomfortable
> > regardless if he knew what the Buddha was, or that the Swastika is a
> > sacred Buddhist symbol. He would just see a semi-naked fat Nazi. Even
> > if he knew all these things it would still make him somewhat
> > uncomfortable of using this great technology.
>
> Here's the thing . . .
>
> The "jesus fish" (or "holy mackerel" or "Ichthys" or whatever you want to
> call it) has no variance of meaning across cultures, when it contains the
> Greek letters ΙΧΘΥΣ -- because it really only exists within one extended
> cultural family.  Its meaning is clear.  I'm not aware of any other
> meaning for the mere intersecting-arcs fish symbol itself, without the
> Greek letters, either -- but I wouldn't necessarily jump to any
> conclusions about it without trying to look it up and, failing that,
> asking about it (with clear reference to the fact that I tried and failed
> to look up any meanings aside from the obvious).
>
> Meanwhile, swastikas have many meanings, in many cultures.  They have
> different meanings from the Nazi usage in parts of Asia, North America,
> and even in Germany itself.  The Nazis got it *somewhere* you know; they
> didn't invent it.  Context matters.
>
> I'd think a devout Christian would have much more reason to complain
> about a Flying Spaghetti Monster (whose only purpose is to mock mystical
> belief systems) than a Daemon, and that an Orthodox Jew would have much
> more reason to complain about SS lightning bolts than a non-diagonal
> swastika held aloft by a smiling Buddha.  Considering we now have the
> Internet at our disposal, I'm not terribly inclined to give a lot of
> leeway to people who ask for symbols like a Buddhist swastika to be
> changed without having gone to the minimal trouble to look it up on
> Wikipedia.
>
> In truth, even the Hakenkreuz (the swastika variant the Nazis use) is not
> strictly negative in meaning; it was a Germanic folk symbol before it was
> misappropriated by the Nazis, and it has not *lost* that previous meaning
> just because it has gained strong negative associations to those who do
> not know its full history.  Place it in a white circle on a red field,
> though, and as far as I'm concerned you have every right to be disturbed
> to see it associated with something you might otherwise like -- because
> that is quite clearly a Nazi-specific context.  The same goes for the
> Nazi Party's parteiadler, depicting a stylized eagle atop a wreathed
> hakenkreuz.
>
>
> >
> > Again, my intention to butt in here was just to point out that many
> > times we find things hilarious, a simple analogy can help us better
> > understand that it may very serious to others, such is life though,
> > and the 'others' should also make an effort to understand us. Sadly,
> > our judgements almost always get in the way of seeing beyond each
> > other's myopic viewpoint.
>
> The fact that someone misunderstands something that can be double-checked
> with trivial effort (far less effort than complaining on this mailing
> list), and uses that misunderstanding to justify complaints and trying to
> convince someone to change a mascot with years of history, seems in no
> way justified to me.  For me, the key difference is not anyone's biases,
> per se -- it's willful ignorance, which I am never inclined to justify or
> excuse, in principle.
>
>
> >
> > Back to the issue at hand (and actually on-topic), I personally don't
> > like the circle with cones and don't think that FBSD should move away
> > from the little red Devil or Daemon or whatever you wanna call it
> > (does he have a name?). In _my_ judgment, for example, the circle with
> > cones looks like some sort of sexual fetish, but then again we're all
> > free to interpret it as we like, and who am I, as a relative newcomer
> > to FBSD to form an opinion anyway :)
>
> The mascot's name is Beastie (roughly homonymous with BSD).  Of course,
> Beastie is *not* actually a FreeBSD symbol, per se: he's a BSD Unix
> symbol in general.  The first sentence of the Wikipedia page for "Beastie
> (Mascot)" says "The BSD daemon, nicknamed Beastie, is the generic mascot
> of BSD operating systems."[1]  The sex toy logo doesn't do anything for
> me, but it is at least a FreeBSD-specific symbol, and I guess I'm willing
> to suffer the indignity of having a kind of dumb, largely meaningless
> symbol, if it means FreeBSD actually gets a symbol at all.
>
> My biggest complaint wit

Re: BSD logo

[Antonio Olivares]

I have seen this quote:

-
religions, worst damnation of mankind

and on BSD forums :)

http://149.20.54.209/showthread.php?t=14886

/* I'm not a Christian either, but I do get tired of it
being the only religion people feel entitled to poke fun at.
___
*/

People will make fun of whichever religion they want, that is not
limited to Christians :(, but they are a target group.  And yes the
BSD mascot does not have anything to do with evil, it is just a mascot
and I like it BTW :)

But to all you who would agree with me, we should keep religion out of
this forum, because we will never agree :(, take a look at the middle
east, the crusades, many wars that have happened in the name of
religion :(

Regards,

Antonio

On 7/25/10, Charlie Kester  wrote:
> On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 00:57:14 PDT per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
>
>>This discussion has drifted badly OT
>
> Yes, and it really should be killed, now.  Please.
>
> My thanks to those few who did NOT take it as an occasion for
> Christian-bashing.  I'm not a Christian either, but I do get tired of it
> being the only religion people feel entitled to poke fun at.
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Re: BSD logo

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 25 July 2010:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:57:14AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Chip Camden  wrote:
> > 
> > > Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect
> > > it may be.  FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-
> > > authoritarian, after all.
> > 
> > This discussion has drifted badly OT, but I feel compelled to
> > point out that Christ Himself was very counter-cultural and anti-
> > authoritarian for His time.  That's what got Him crucified, no?
> 
> Too bad his legacy is, in effect, authoritarianism and mainstream
> cultural reinforcement -- including people bleating about some symbol
> they misunderstand, and how it offends their willfully ignorant,
> idolatrist sensitibilities.
> 

Preach it, brother!

Though I generally refrain from speculating on WWJD, I think if asked
about this symbol he might reply something like, "It doesn't matter what
picture the web page bears-- look at what is inscribed on the heart."

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Re: BSD logo

[Charlie Kester]

On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 00:57:14 PDT per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:


This discussion has drifted badly OT


Yes, and it really should be killed, now.  Please.

My thanks to those few who did NOT take it as an occasion for
Christian-bashing.  I'm not a Christian either, but I do get tired of it
being the only religion people feel entitled to poke fun at. 
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Re: BSD logo

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 25 July 2010:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:54:37AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote:

> 
> I'd think a devout Christian would have much more reason to complain
> about a Flying Spaghetti Monster (whose only purpose is to mock mystical
> belief systems) than a Daemon, ...



On the contrary, they fear competition much more than direct opposition.
That's why the bloodiest religious wars are usually between similar systems.
Thus, an opposing mythical symbol is more threatening, provided it's
taken seriously -- the attempt to cast it seriously is an attempt to
frame an enemy.

Actually, the deeper, unspoken threat is that it won't be taken seriously
-- providing a precedent for the demotion of all mythical symbols.

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Re: BSD logo

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:57:14AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Chip Camden  wrote:
> 
> > Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect
> > it may be.  FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-
> > authoritarian, after all.
> 
> This discussion has drifted badly OT, but I feel compelled to
> point out that Christ Himself was very counter-cultural and anti-
> authoritarian for His time.  That's what got Him crucified, no?

Too bad his legacy is, in effect, authoritarianism and mainstream
cultural reinforcement -- including people bleating about some symbol
they misunderstand, and how it offends their willfully ignorant,
idolatrist sensitibilities.

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Re: BSD logo

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 08:47:30AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 03:47:25PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
>  
> > Actually, "daemon" is a Latinization of the Greek "daimon".  Daimon is
> > pronounced something more like "die-mahn", but (being from the Latin)
> > daemon is prounounced "dee-mohn".  Unix tradition holds that "daemon" is
> > pronounced similarly to the Latin fashion (in practice, roughly like
> > "dee-muhn" by English speakers).
> 
> I guess that depends on which period of Latin one studies.  From Latin
> Pronunciation Demystified:
> 
> http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf
> 
> ae like English ai in aisle
> 
> Which is how I pronounce ae in Latin.  On the other hand, I've always
> pronounced daemon like day-mohn, probably from hearing Jon Pertwee
> pronounce it that way in the Doctor Who episode The Dæmons.

Without downloading a PDF and reading it . . . do you know what Latin
variant is used in that document?  Is it classical, church, or
scientifically bastardized Latin (for instance)?  I'm curious.

I know that in at least some contexts the Latin pronunciation is more
"dee" than "dai" for daemon, and that "dee" is the pronunciation
generally considered "correct" for server processes in Unix systems.
Beyond that, it's entirely possible there are other pronunciations of
which I am not aware -- though I'm pretty sure "day" is solely an
artifact of people trying to figure out how to pronounce terms that
contain the ae (or the æ ligature) without actually trying to look it up.

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Re: BSD logo

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:54:37AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote:
> 
> Suppose for a moment that BSD would have forked to FBSD first in the
> East, say by a group of Indian Buddhist computer science students, and
> their choice of logo was a funny cartoon of a smiling Buddha holding a
> Swastika above it's head. The intention here would matter little to
> the common Jew, as he would probably feel immediately uncomfortable
> regardless if he knew what the Buddha was, or that the Swastika is a
> sacred Buddhist symbol. He would just see a semi-naked fat Nazi. Even
> if he knew all these things it would still make him somewhat
> uncomfortable of using this great technology.

Here's the thing . . .

The "jesus fish" (or "holy mackerel" or "Ichthys" or whatever you want to
call it) has no variance of meaning across cultures, when it contains the
Greek letters ΙΧΘΥΣ -- because it really only exists within one extended
cultural family.  Its meaning is clear.  I'm not aware of any other
meaning for the mere intersecting-arcs fish symbol itself, without the
Greek letters, either -- but I wouldn't necessarily jump to any
conclusions about it without trying to look it up and, failing that,
asking about it (with clear reference to the fact that I tried and failed
to look up any meanings aside from the obvious).

Meanwhile, swastikas have many meanings, in many cultures.  They have
different meanings from the Nazi usage in parts of Asia, North America,
and even in Germany itself.  The Nazis got it *somewhere* you know; they
didn't invent it.  Context matters.

I'd think a devout Christian would have much more reason to complain
about a Flying Spaghetti Monster (whose only purpose is to mock mystical
belief systems) than a Daemon, and that an Orthodox Jew would have much
more reason to complain about SS lightning bolts than a non-diagonal
swastika held aloft by a smiling Buddha.  Considering we now have the
Internet at our disposal, I'm not terribly inclined to give a lot of
leeway to people who ask for symbols like a Buddhist swastika to be
changed without having gone to the minimal trouble to look it up on
Wikipedia.

In truth, even the Hakenkreuz (the swastika variant the Nazis use) is not
strictly negative in meaning; it was a Germanic folk symbol before it was
misappropriated by the Nazis, and it has not *lost* that previous meaning
just because it has gained strong negative associations to those who do
not know its full history.  Place it in a white circle on a red field,
though, and as far as I'm concerned you have every right to be disturbed
to see it associated with something you might otherwise like -- because
that is quite clearly a Nazi-specific context.  The same goes for the
Nazi Party's parteiadler, depicting a stylized eagle atop a wreathed
hakenkreuz.


> 
> Again, my intention to butt in here was just to point out that many
> times we find things hilarious, a simple analogy can help us better
> understand that it may very serious to others, such is life though,
> and the 'others' should also make an effort to understand us. Sadly,
> our judgements almost always get in the way of seeing beyond each
> other's myopic viewpoint.

The fact that someone misunderstands something that can be double-checked
with trivial effort (far less effort than complaining on this mailing
list), and uses that misunderstanding to justify complaints and trying to
convince someone to change a mascot with years of history, seems in no
way justified to me.  For me, the key difference is not anyone's biases,
per se -- it's willful ignorance, which I am never inclined to justify or
excuse, in principle.


> 
> Back to the issue at hand (and actually on-topic), I personally don't
> like the circle with cones and don't think that FBSD should move away
> from the little red Devil or Daemon or whatever you wanna call it
> (does he have a name?). In _my_ judgment, for example, the circle with
> cones looks like some sort of sexual fetish, but then again we're all
> free to interpret it as we like, and who am I, as a relative newcomer
> to FBSD to form an opinion anyway :)

The mascot's name is Beastie (roughly homonymous with BSD).  Of course,
Beastie is *not* actually a FreeBSD symbol, per se: he's a BSD Unix
symbol in general.  The first sentence of the Wikipedia page for "Beastie
(Mascot)" says "The BSD daemon, nicknamed Beastie, is the generic mascot
of BSD operating systems."[1]  The sex toy logo doesn't do anything for
me, but it is at least a FreeBSD-specific symbol, and I guess I'm willing
to suffer the indignity of having a kind of dumb, largely meaningless
symbol, if it means FreeBSD actually gets a symbol at all.

My biggest complaint with the sex toy symbol is that it doesn't lend
itself easily to simplification a logo really should.  Basically, if it
isn't easily well-represented in a 16px monochrome presentation, it
should be rethought, in my opinion.  It has been made official, though,
and I'm not sure the problems I've i

Re: Looking for PCI/PCIe AHCI controller

[Mike Tancsa]

At 11:39 AM 7/25/2010, Paul Schenkeveld wrote:

Hi,
So now I am looking for an add-in SATA card that is supported by
the FreeBSD ahci(4) driver.  I don't need HW RAID support on the
card as I'm running ZFS.  I have PCI and PCIe (x1) slots free.


I am using an SiL based card to add 4 more drives to my array that 
works quite well


si...@pci0:8:0:0:   class=0x010400 card=0x71321095 
chip=0x31321095 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Silicon Image Inc (Was: CMD Technology Inc)'
device = 'PCI Express (1x) to 2 Port SATA300 (SiI 3132)'
class  = mass storage
subclass   = RAID
cap 01[54] = powerspec 2  supports D0 D1 D2 D3  current D0
cap 05[5c] = MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit
cap 10[70] = PCI-Express 1 legacy endpoint max data 128(1024) link x1(x1)

I bought it from http://www.addonics.com/

---Mike




Mike Tancsa,  tel +1 519 651 3400
Sentex Communications,m...@sentex.net
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Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike

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Re: dummynet in 8.1

[Ian Smith]

Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 320, Issue 18, Message: 7
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:56:04 +0200 Matias  wrote:

 > I've read in the release notes that ipfw and dummynet have been improved.
 > 
 > I've wonder if with 8.1 will it be possible to bridge a VLAN Trunk and 
 > filter VLAN tagged frames (actually, send packets to a dummynet queue 
 > for traffic shapping).
 > 
 > I've tried this with 8.0 but seems like ipfw does not understand vlan 
 > tagged frames.

Try the freebsd-ipfw list; they're likely too busy to read this one ..
perhaps with more detail of what you want to do, and what you've tried.

cheers, Ian
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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

[Nikola Lečić]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:51:55 +
Antonio Olivares  wrote:
 
[...]
> Don't want to add insult to injury or offend anyone, I just want to
> see how installing texlive on FreeBSD can be made easier?

TeX Live 2010 will support FreeBSD (i386 and amd64). It will work out
of the box for FreeBSD 7 and 8. The TL development tree is frozen now
and the release will be out during summer.

If you can't wait, you can use TeX Live 2010 pretest, it's pretty stable
and most likely identical to the release:

  http://tug.org/texlive/pretest.html

If you need binaries for FreeBSD<=6, please visit these pages:

  http://anthesphoria.net/FreeBSD/TeXLive-Devel/bin-r19416/

(r19416 is TL2010 build).

A reply to all people that wrote about how big TL is: TeX Live is a
_distribution_, not a single piece of software. It has its own package
manager, tlpkg. You can use it to remove anything you don't need after
install. The TL installer supports installing various "schemes". If you
need a minimal TeX, you can choose scheme "minimal", it's actually much
smaller than teTeX.

Please read TL Guide, it's very useful and can answer all your
questions:

  http://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/texlive-en/

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Looking for PCI/PCIe AHCI controller

[Paul Schenkeveld]

Hi,

My fileserver has grown beyond the 6 SATA drives supported by my
Intel DP35DP mainboard.  When I add a SATA port multiplier I see
a dramatic decrease in throughput compared to directly connected
SATA disks (not a big surprise, although the combined throughput
is way below 3 Gbit/s).

So now I am looking for an add-in SATA card that is supported by
the FreeBSD ahci(4) driver.  I don't need HW RAID support on the
card as I'm running ZFS.  I have PCI and PCIe (x1) slots free.

I tried a Promise TX4 but that one appears as an ata(4) card and
not as an ahci(4) card.

Any ideas?

Thanks a lot!

Paul Schenkeveld
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Re: BSD logo

[Alejandro Imass]

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 5:11 PM, David Brodbeck  wrote:
>
> On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote:
>>
>> I am not a religious man myself, but if the logo had any religious
>> meaning to me I am sure I could better understand Victor's issues.
>> Seems silly, but if it was the other way around I'm sure _many_ people
>> here would probably concur in the discomfort of using an OS who's logo
>> was some sort of religion symbol, say a Christian Cross, Egyptian
>> Ankh, David Star, Muslim Moon, or a Satanic Encircled Five Point Star.
>
> Well, to me it's about intent.
>
> I doubt the FreeBSD logo was picked with the intent of sticking a thumb in
> the eye of anyone religious.  I also think it's pretty clear it wasn't
> picked by someone who identified with Satanism.
>
> On the other hand, if someone uses a Jesus Fish or a cross as a logo,
> they're usually trying to make a political point.  *That* would make me
> uncomfortable -- not the symbol itself, but the sentiment I knew was behind
> it.

Precisely my point. But it's hard to overcome our judgements in order
to evaluate a problem 'objectively', because there is no such thing
per se in philosophical matters, but rather it's the more subjective
points of view you have, the more objective you become.

So my point in all this is that at first it sounds really hilarious
from the modern/western science-man perspective (the general
population of the project and this mailing list), but as you stated
previously we would immediately react to a symbol if that symbol to us
represented an intention/sentiment/political statement _regardless_ of
the actual intention.

Suppose for a moment that BSD would have forked to FBSD first in the
East, say by a group of Indian Buddhist computer science students, and
their choice of logo was a funny cartoon of a smiling Buddha holding a
Swastika above it's head. The intention here would matter little to
the common Jew, as he would probably feel immediately uncomfortable
regardless if he knew what the Buddha was, or that the Swastika is a
sacred Buddhist symbol. He would just see a semi-naked fat Nazi. Even
if he knew all these things it would still make him somewhat
uncomfortable of using this great technology.

Again, my intention to butt in here was just to point out that many
times we find things hilarious, a simple analogy can help us better
understand that it may very serious to others, such is life though,
and the 'others' should also make an effort to understand us. Sadly,
our judgements almost always get in the way of seeing beyond each
other's myopic viewpoint.

Back to the issue at hand (and actually on-topic), I personally don't
like the circle with cones and don't think that FBSD should move away
from the little red Devil or Daemon or whatever you wanna call it
(does he have a name?). In _my_ judgment, for example, the circle with
cones looks like some sort of sexual fetish, but then again we're all
free to interpret it as we like, and who am I, as a relative newcomer
to FBSD to form an opinion anyway :)

Best,
Alejandro Imass

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Re: how does freebsd know which kernel to boot ?

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:21:38 +0200, claudiu vasadi  
wrote:
> hello ppl,
> 
> 
> I was wondering about the following:
> 
> After I do "make build|install kernel" and reboot, the new kernel is
> automatically booted but the old one is still on the disk. Therefore, how
> does FreeBSD know which one to boot ?
> 
> I'm guessing it's writing this info somewhere but I do not know where or
> how.
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone give me some short description ?

The kernel is booted by the kernel loader. Its configuration is
in /boot/loader.conf and /boot/default/loader.conf. It will default
to "kernel" (the name of the kernel to boot) by default, but you
can specify another name, too. You can also interrupt the boot and
request a different than the default kernel; using the "nextboot"
can achieve similar results.

Upon kernel installation by "make installkernel", the existing
kernel will be moved to kernel.old; the newly installed kernel
will then be kernel, and the loader will load exactly this name
as before.

Interesting man pages are:
% man loader
% man loader.conf
% man nextboot
% man boot
% less /boot/defaults/loader.conf





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free...@rambler.ru

[Dima Bui]

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kde 4.3.1 dont loading

[Dima Bui]

hi, after installing nvidia driver at FreeBSD 8.0, Kde 4.3.1 don't
loading after login screen, and when input username and password - login
screen reload. Before installing nvidia driver, kde 4.3.1 load ok. Who
know how decide this problem? Help please.
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kde 4.3.1 dont loading

[Андрей К озаренко]

hi, after installing nvidia driver at FreeBSD 8.0, Kde 4.3.1 don't 
loading after login screen, and when input username and password - login 
screen reload. Before installing nvidia driver, kde 4.3.1 load ok. Who 
know how decide this problem? Help please.

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Re: BSD logo

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 03:47:25PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
 
> Actually, "daemon" is a Latinization of the Greek "daimon".  Daimon is
> pronounced something more like "die-mahn", but (being from the Latin)
> daemon is prounounced "dee-mohn".  Unix tradition holds that "daemon" is
> pronounced similarly to the Latin fashion (in practice, roughly like
> "dee-muhn" by English speakers).

I guess that depends on which period of Latin one studies.  From Latin
Pronunciation Demystified:

http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf

ae like English ai in aisle

Which is how I pronounce ae in Latin.  On the other hand, I've always
pronounced daemon like day-mohn, probably from hearing Jon Pertwee
pronounce it that way in the Doctor Who episode The Dæmons.




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how does freebsd know which kernel to boot ?

[claudiu vasadi]

hello ppl,


I was wondering about the following:

After I do "make build|install kernel" and reboot, the new kernel is
automatically booted but the old one is still on the disk. Therefore, how
does FreeBSD know which one to boot ?

I'm guessing it's writing this info somewhere but I do not know where or
how.



Can anyone give me some short description ?
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Re: BSD logo

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 24 July 2010 10:01:07 Victor Skovorodnikov wrote:
> 
> This may sound strange but I have a question about logo.  Why such a logo for 
> BSD?  What is the 
> meaning of that logo?
> 
> I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get 
> deterred by its un-Christian 
> logo.
> 
> Have you considered changing it to something else?  Doesn't have to be an 
> angel, but perhaps 
> something neutral ;-) ?

do we none christians ask you to change the offending stuff related to this 
religion?

Erich
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Re: why do I require "WPA" in rc.conf even for open networks.

[Eitan Adler]

> I use WPA and have no urge to run tests for someone else on this
> right now, but are you sure something like
>
> ifconfig_wlan0="ssid ForteanJungle wepmode mixed wepkey 8675309 DHCP"
>
> doesn't work at all these days?

I had
ifconfig_wlan0="ssid MySSID DHCP"
and attempted to connect to an OPEN network without being able to do so.
When I added ifconfig_wlan0="ssid MySSID WPA DHCP" I was able to
connect to the same network.


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Re: BSD logo

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:57:14AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

> Chip Camden  wrote:
> 
> > Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect
> > it may be.  FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-
> > authoritarian, after all.
> 
> This discussion has drifted badly OT, but I feel compelled to
> point out that Christ Himself was very counter-cultural and anti-
> authoritarian for His time.  That's what got Him crucified, no?

You got it.

Not that I think FreeBSD using a counter-cultural mascott image
qualifies as a Christ act.   But, who knows.

jerry


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Re: [kde-freebsd] libiodbc build failure @ "configure" cmd

[claudiu vasadi]

for others who may have the same issue ->

http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10316

you need to replace your "base".

PS: after you replace your "base" distribution and reboot, you will notice
the system will not load and you will have to issue "boot GENERIC" at the
"boot>" prompt. The workaround for this is to issue "nextboot -k GENERIC"
after you upgraded the "base" distribution and BEFORE you reboot. This was
very handy to me, since the system that was damaged is ~700km away from me.


Hope this helps someone

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growisofs gives random errors but never writes a DVD successfully

[Erich Dollansky]

 Hi,

I am trying to get the DVD burner running on 8.1 

The machine:  8.1-STABLE FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE #3: Sat Jul 24 20:56:05 SGT 2010

I have atapicam enabled. I lock HAL. Still, it seems I am missing something or 
there is a problem with my hardware.

The command:

hal-lock --interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Storage --udi 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVDRAM_GH22NS40 --run 'growisofs 
-dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z /dev/cd0=imagefile.iso'
Executing 'builtin_dd if=imagefile.iso of=/dev/pass0 obs=32k seek=0'

The output:

Executing 'builtin_dd if=imagefile.iso of=/dev/pass0 obs=32k seek=0'
/dev/pass0: "Current Write Speed" is 4.1x1352KBps.
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
  0/1604739072 ( 0.0%) @0x, remaining ??:?? RBU 100.0% UBU   0.0%
:-( unable to wr...@lba=0h: Input/output error
:-( write failed: Input/output error

The output is random. It even claimed once to have the DVD finished. But the 
DVD is not mountable.

As it was never used to burn, it also could be a hardware problem. Reading was 
not a problem on 8.0.

Does anybody have any idea what I am missing?

Erich

PS:

What I did:

I added from the handbook atapicam according to the handbook:

'18.6.9 Using the ATAPI/CAM Driver"

I followed this advice:

http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html#q6
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dummynet in 8.1

[Matias]

Hi,

I've read in the release notes that ipfw and dummynet have been improved.

I've wonder if with 8.1 will it be possible to bridge a VLAN Trunk and 
filter VLAN tagged frames (actually, send packets to a dummynet queue 
for traffic shapping).


I've tried this with 8.0 but seems like ipfw does not understand vlan 
tagged frames.


Thanks!


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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

[Roland Smith]

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:08:12PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
> Anh Ky Huynh wrote:
> > Antonio Olivares  wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
> > > times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default
> > > tex installation?
> > 
> > As TeXLive 2009 doesn't have binaries for FreeBSD ;) You can try TeXLive
> > 2008 instead.
> 
> Maybe the problem is that TexLive is a monster (already teTex is a
> monster) 

What other alternatives are there? teTeX is no longer being maintained.

> that many long time TeX users don't want on their hard disk.

Personally, as a long-time TeX user, I don't mind. On the contrary, I like it
that a lot of packages are included and preconfigured in TeXLive.

> Having TeXLive as a port would be nice, having it as the default TeX
> seems to me stupid. It means that installing any port which has a
> dependency on TeX would install this several hundred mega bytes monster
> for any one, even those who don't intend to use TeX in any way. 

About half of the ports that depend on TeX are actually tools that use
TeX. For most of the others it is optional, usually for building
documentation. (Run 'find /usr/ports/ -type f -name Makefile -exec grep -Hi
tetex {} \; | less' and see for yourself.) I would agree that most project
would do better just to provide ready-built docs in PDF, HTML or text format
rather than depend on TeX.

> Even
> most TeX users have no use for LuaTex and other niceties of TexLive.

Then don't install them. The TeXLive installer is quite flexible. As for
LuaTeX, that will become the default TeX engine over time, like pdfTeX is now.

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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1

[Michel Talon]

Anh Ky Huynh wrote:
> Antonio Olivares  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
> > times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default
> > tex installation?
> 
> As TeXLive 2009 doesn't have binaries for FreeBSD ;) You can try TeXLive
> 2008 instead.

Maybe the problem is that TexLive is a monster (already teTex is a
monster) that many long time TeX users don't want on their hard disk.
Having TeXLive as a port would be nice, having it as the default TeX
seems to me stupid. It means that installing any port which has a
dependency on TeX would install this several hundred mega bytes monster
for any one, even those who don't intend to use TeX in any way. Even
most TeX users have no use for LuaTex and other niceties of TexLive.


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Re: searching INDEX in .sh

[b. f.]

On 7/25/10, Aiza  wrote:
> b. f. wrote:

> I just found /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/postsearch which uses the
> /usr/ports/INDEX-8 file as its source to search. This is a perl script
> but can be used from within in .sh script.

Ah, ok.  I thought you wanted to use the Bourne shell and base system
utilities only.

>
> Been playing with it and see a big inconsistence in how ports list
> build-deps and run-deps. Some ports list no build-deps just run-deps and
> vise-versa and some have same listed list in both.
>
> Thinking I will have to take both the build and run deps lists and sort
> them together and drop dups to create a good list of dependents to allow
> for the lax enforcement of standards in the Makefile about how to list
> the ports dependents.

As someone remarked, this is not necessarily inconsistent. The
standards certainly aren't lax, although mistakes are occasionally
made.  And it is slightly complicated by the fact that the listing in
the INDEX is recursive.

b.
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Re: searching INDEX in .sh

[Matthew Seaman]

On 25/07/2010 03:58:29, Aiza wrote:
> I'm looking for a snippet of .sh type shell code that searches the
> /usr/ports/INDEX-8 file for dependents.
> 
> Just a pointer to a script in the ports system that has this would be
> helpful.

grep 'dependency-name' /usr/ports/INDEX.8 | grep -v '^dependency-name'

If you don't want the whole INDEX line, add something like this to the
above to extract specific columns:

| cut -d '|' -f 1

Note that you want the dependency package name, not the directory name
in the ports tree -- although most of the time they are the same, there
are some important packages where that isn't the case, eg.

 databases/mysql51-server   vsmysql-server-5.1.48

Actually, all you want is sufficient leading prefix from the package
name to identify it uniquely, which usually, but not always, means you
don't need to include the version number part

This will include build dependencies as well as run- or lib-
dependencies: if that's not what you want, then use cut(1) to get rid of
the last two columns before passing the INDEX through grep(1)

Cheers,

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Re: searching INDEX in .sh

[perryh]

Aiza  wrote:

> ... see a big inconsistence in how ports list build-deps
> and run-deps. Some ports list no build-deps just run-deps
> and vise-versa and some have same listed list in both.

None of these is necessarily wrong.  A port consisting solely of a
Perl script would have no build-deps -- there's nothing to build --
but it would have a run-dep on perl.  A port which uses no shared
libs outside the base would have no run-deps, but it might have a
build-dep on a compiler if written in a language whose compiler
isn't part of the base.

> Thinking I will have to take both the build and run deps lists
> and sort them together and drop dups to create a good list of
> dependents to allow for the lax enforcement of standards in the
> Makefile about how to list the ports dependents.

If you're only going to build the port (to create a package to be
installed elsewhere) you don't need the run-deps.  If you're only
going to run it (having built it elsewhere) you don't need the
build-deps.  If you're going to build/install/run on the same system
you need both the build-deps and the run-deps, but after the build
has finished you can delete any build-deps that aren't also run-deps.
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Re: BSD logo

[perryh]

Chip Camden  wrote:

> Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect
> it may be.  FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-
> authoritarian, after all.

This discussion has drifted badly OT, but I feel compelled to
point out that Christ Himself was very counter-cultural and anti-
authoritarian for His time.  That's what got Him crucified, no?
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