Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
Preface: Sorry for messing up the quotes and all, this message got a bit untidy so that even *I* am unsure who I am currently replying to. :-) On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:24:31 +, four.harris...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until then, we're stuck with Flash. Sadly not. While HTML5 standardizes the embedding of video content, there still seems to be a problem with codec to use. All this idiotic crap of patenting, licensing, and all the fee-loaded lawyer-stuff that has NO need to exist in a technical discussion brought Flash where it is today: Flash is abused as a replacement of HTML, mostly by professional program managers and script kiddies. HTML5 browsers would need to be able to play video content out of the box, WITHOUT the need for installing additional codecs that are illegal to use in my country - you know what I mean. It's like requiring a plugin at OS kernel level to display text in bold face, or showing a PNG image in a web page! I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. You are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that many still NEED Java support in their browsers - and not of their own choice. I think the initial suggestion to move on was directed exactly at the reasons you mentioned in the next sentence: Banks, insurances, digital signature services etc. Still frequently use Java as carrier for their services. Often this cannot be changed easily as such organizations have long turn-around times and make investments in the long term. Good software can always be changed easily. :-) Java is still very much alive, and until html5 can validate and run signed code it'll stay that way even on the client. And that is just one of the reasons/scenarios. It's also very famous in education. For example, basic programming courses (not BASIC programming courses!) often use Java to teach the basics of programming. This produces bad programmers. :-) I'm not using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm using FreeBSD *exclusively* on the desktop since version 4.0. I never had issues with Java - it always worked. I admit that it wasn't very easy in the first years due to Sun's licensing politics (again, politics are the enemy of every educated technical consi- deration), but it worked. Both in Opera (my main browser) and Firefox, among many testing bed browsers I had to use in the past. Since Flash works on FreeBSD, I also tried this out. After one week, I removed it. Reason: No need for it. You are right that Java is still needed in some places on the web, but it's far more easy to deal with Java problems than with Flash problems, I think. So either one takes the time to implement what people _need_ in addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop can as well be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for servers, where it already excels. First of all, please see the big difference between what people need and what people want, and who those people are. I'm sure I don't have to elaborate on this. :-) Second, FreeBSD is an excellent MULTI-purpose operating system that can be used on terminals, workstations, servers, and on all kinds of mixed forms. I would be sad to lose only one of those functionalities. For a more desktop-centric FreeBSD that has all the stuff what people need, refer to PC-BSD. Some sites make accessing them difficult without Flash, but I consider that their problem and move on. Yes, same here. FreeBSD isn't just good for servers. As I said. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:49:56 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: These days, it seems like the only places people *really* think they still need Java are smartphones and enterprise systems running on overpriced servers -- neither of which makes a difference for Firefox on the desktop. Let me add another field: There are applicances like all-in-one DSL modem telephone splitter router DHCP server NAT firewall boxes that are very common in german households. Those usually use Java to present their control elements to the user; Applet loading is often seen when connected to that box in order to change some setting. I think the initial developers found it better to put a Java applet in there than some PHP generated HTML served by a little web server... they could have used an efficient and professional programming language, too, but that's something you won't find in home consumer crap devices. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ipfw fwd and ipfw allow
Victor Sudakov suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru wrote: ... the 'fwd ... keep-state' statement does create a useful dynamic rule. It contradicts the ipfw(8) man page but works ... Hopefully someone who understands all this will submit a patch for the man page :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On 9/11/2010 1:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: Let me add another field: There are applicances like all-in-one DSL modem telephone splitter router DHCP server NAT firewall boxes that are very common in german households. Those usually use Java to present their control elements to the user; Applet loading is often seen when connected to that box in order to change some setting. I think the initial developers found it better to put a Java applet in there than some PHP generated HTML served by a little web server... they could have used an efficient and professional programming language, too, but that's something you won't find in home consumer crap devices.:-) So to configure your router, you need a java enabled browser, and odds are you get the jar file from the router, so it has an http server, and probably another server just to process configuration requests? Now your router has two servers running, one to get the jar, one to deal with config, instead of one http server with one cgi script. Java has/had its uses, but I don't recall the last time I ran something using java. At the moment when it comes to the browser, flash is more important and that's only for all the websites that want to stream instead of give you a file like they used to. I remember years and years ago starting to learn java. I got really frustrated by spending a few hours going through documentation to find the proper way to read a text file. Writing the gui seemed easy, the rest wasn't. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:17:49 -0500, Joshua Isom jri...@gmail.com wrote: So to configure your router, you need a java enabled browser, and odds are you get the jar file from the router, so it has an http server, and probably another server just to process configuration requests? Now your router has two servers running, one to get the jar, one to deal with config, instead of one http server with one cgi script. Yes, such complicated devices exist. Accessing it with Java switched off, you can't do anything. Very overcomplicated, and slow. Java has/had its uses, but I don't recall the last time I ran something using java. As it has been mentioned, Java is often required in online banking, but as far as I've noticed, it's also less and less important in those fields. I'm not using online banking myself so my opinion is very little substanciated. At the moment when it comes to the browser, flash is more important and that's only for all the websites that want to stream instead of give you a file like they used to. Not only that. Whole suites of development tools are arranged around Flash in order to replace dealing with HTML at all. Navigational elements, as well as non-AV content is enclosed in Flash to limit accessibility (which of course makes the web less barrier-free, but who cares except cripples - they don't count, majority wins). Also content protection is a field where Flash is heavily used, like No, you can't select this text and copy it somewhere else! What animated GIFs were in the past, that's Flash today, but much more ressource-intensive, proprietary, dangerous, and annoying. I remember years and years ago starting to learn java. It was hard for me to learn Java at university when I had already years of C experience. :-) I got really frustrated by spending a few hours going through documentation to find the proper way to read a text file. I didn't know there was one. :-) Writing the gui seemed easy, the rest wasn't. That's the basic idea: Make it look good on the outside, so it appeals to users using the first sight effect. Don't care for the internals, nobody can see them anyway. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
Dear Sirs, you see me a kind of desperate. I wrote my own a small piece of software in C, calculating the orbit and position of astronomical objects, astroids, in a heliocentric coordinate system from Keplerian orbital elements. So far. The software calculates the set of points of an ellipse based upon ephemeridal datas taken from the Minor Planet Cataloge. Again, so far, everything all right. The set of points of an orbit is all right and correct. But when it comes to positions at a specific time, then I loose hair! Compiling this piece of software with FreeBSD's gcc (V4.2) and clang (clang devel) on my private and lab's FreeBSD boxes (both most recent FreeBSD 8.1/amd64), this program does well, the calculated orbital positions are very close to professional applications or observational checks. But when compiling the sources with gcc44 or gcc45 (same source, same CFLAG setting, mostly no CFLAGS set), then there is a great discrepancy. Sometimes when plotting positions, the results plotted seconds before differs from the most recent. The ellipses are allways correct, but the position of a single point at a specific time isn't correct. I use the GNU autotools to build the package. I suspekt miscompilations in memory alloction or in some time- or mathematical functions like sin, cos. before I digg deeper I'd like to ask the community for some hints how to hunt down such a problem. regards, Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
On 11 September 2010 10:28, O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Dear Sirs, you see me a kind of desperate. I wrote my own a small piece of software in C, calculating the orbit and position of astronomical objects, astroids, in a heliocentric coordinate system from Keplerian orbital elements. So far. The software calculates the set of points of an ellipse based upon ephemeridal datas taken from the Minor Planet Cataloge. Again, so far, everything all right. The set of points of an orbit is all right and correct. But when it comes to positions at a specific time, then I loose hair! Compiling this piece of software with FreeBSD's gcc (V4.2) and clang (clang devel) on my private and lab's FreeBSD boxes (both most recent FreeBSD 8.1/amd64), this program does well, the calculated orbital positions are very close to professional applications or observational checks. But when compiling the sources with gcc44 or gcc45 (same source, same CFLAG setting, mostly no CFLAGS set), then there is a great discrepancy. Sometimes when plotting positions, the results plotted seconds before differs from the most recent. The ellipses are allways correct, but the position of a single point at a specific time isn't correct. I use the GNU autotools to build the package. I suspekt miscompilations in memory alloction or in some time- or mathematical functions like sin, cos. before I digg deeper I'd like to ask the community for some hints how to hunt down such a problem. regards, Oliver Sounds a cool project. I suspect you are miss-using a feature of C or are using uninitialised memory, and with gcc44/45's more aggressive optimisations it is getting it wrong. I have three suggestions 1) Use valgrind to check if it finds anything wrong when running your program. Check both the good and the bad builds. 2) If your program is made up of multiple C files, then try compiling all of the C files with gcc42, but just one at a time with gcc44. This way will help you track down exactly which C file has the bug. 3) Finally do some printf debugging to find the first line of code that is generating the wrong value. I hope these suggestions help. Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Andrew Brampton brampton+free...@gmail.combrampton%2bfree...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 September 2010 10:28, O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Dear Sirs, you see me a kind of desperate. I wrote my own a small piece of software in C, calculating the orbit and position of astronomical objects, astroids, in a heliocentric coordinate system from Keplerian orbital elements. So far. The software calculates the set of points of an ellipse based upon ephemeridal datas taken from the Minor Planet Cataloge. Again, so far, everything all right. The set of points of an orbit is all right and correct. But when it comes to positions at a specific time, then I loose hair! Compiling this piece of software with FreeBSD's gcc (V4.2) and clang (clang devel) on my private and lab's FreeBSD boxes (both most recent FreeBSD 8.1/amd64), this program does well, the calculated orbital positions are very close to professional applications or observational checks. But when compiling the sources with gcc44 or gcc45 (same source, same CFLAG setting, mostly no CFLAGS set), then there is a great discrepancy. Sometimes when plotting positions, the results plotted seconds before differs from the most recent. The ellipses are allways correct, but the position of a single point at a specific time isn't correct. I use the GNU autotools to build the package. I suspekt miscompilations in memory alloction or in some time- or mathematical functions like sin, cos. before I digg deeper I'd like to ask the community for some hints how to hunt down such a problem. regards, Oliver Sounds a cool project. I suspect you are miss-using a feature of C or are using uninitialised memory, and with gcc44/45's more aggressive optimisations it is getting it wrong. I have three suggestions 1) Use valgrind to check if it finds anything wrong when running your program. Check both the good and the bad builds. 2) If your program is made up of multiple C files, then try compiling all of the C files with gcc42, but just one at a time with gcc44. This way will help you track down exactly which C file has the bug. 3) Finally do some printf debugging to find the first line of code that is generating the wrong value. I hope these suggestions help. Andrew Another check may be to use Sun Studio C and or Fortran compilers . These can be used in Linux ( Linux version of Sun Studio ) and/or OpenSolaris or Solaris ( Solaris version of SunStudio ( both in x86 , x86_64 , Sparc ) ( all of them are ( Solaris , OpenSolaris , Sun Studio , Linux ) free ) . All of them are freely downloadable from www.sun.com and/or www.opensolaris.com ( these sites or their pages may be redirected to www.oracle.com owned pages ) . Personally I tried GCC compilers , but I found that they are very unreliable . Now I am using Sun Studio compilers in OpenSolaris and Linux , and never GCC compilers . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On 10 Sep 2010 at 18:20, Jason C. Wells wrote: Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Java is not just for browsers. Regards, Jason C. Wells I can't help wondering if half of you are talking about the JavaScripting language that runs in a browser, while the rest are talking about the Java Run Time Engine that some (cross platform) standalone app's (and some browser apps) use. All I know is they are very different beasts. dit dit. Dave B. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On 10 Sep 2010 at 18:20, Jason C. Wells wrote: Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Java is not just for browsers. Regards, Jason C. Wells I can't help wondering if half of you are talking about the JavaScripting language that runs in a browser, while the rest are talking about the Java Run Time Engine that some (cross platform) standalone app's (and some browser apps) use. All I know is they are very different beasts. dit dit. Dave B. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
On 09/11/10 11:43, Andrew Brampton wrote: On 11 September 2010 10:28, O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Dear Sirs, you see me a kind of desperate. I wrote my own a small piece of  software in C, calculating the orbit and position of astronomical objects, astroids, in a heliocentric coordinate system from Keplerian orbital elements. So far. The software calculates the set of points of an ellipse based upon ephemeridal datas taken from the Minor Planet Cataloge. Again, so far, everything all right. The set of points of an orbit is all right and correct. But when it comes to positions at a specific time, then I loose hair! Compiling this piece of software with FreeBSD's gcc (V4.2) and clang (clang devel) on my private and lab's FreeBSD boxes (both most recent FreeBSD 8.1/amd64), this program does well, the calculated orbital positions are very close to professional applications or observational checks. But when compiling the sources with gcc44 or gcc45 (same source, same CFLAG setting, mostly no CFLAGS set), then there is a great discrepancy. Sometimes when plotting positions, the results plotted seconds before differs from the most recent. The ellipses are allways correct, but the position of a single point at a specific time isn't correct. I use the GNU autotools to build the package. I suspekt miscompilations in memory alloction or in some time- or mathematical functions like sin, cos. before I digg deeper I'd like to ask the community for some hints how to hunt down such a problem. regards, Oliver Sounds a cool project. I suspect you are miss-using a feature of C or are using uninitialised memory, and with gcc44/45's more aggressive optimisations it is getting it wrong. I have three suggestions 1) Use valgrind to check if it finds anything wrong when running your program. Check both the good and the bad builds. 2) If your program is made up of multiple C files, then try compiling all of the C files with gcc42, but just one at a time with gcc44. This way will help you track down exactly which C file has the bug. 3) Finally do some printf debugging to find the first line of code that is generating the wrong value. I hope these suggestions help. Andrew Hello Andrew. Thanks for your comments, they are worth trying out. I will do so ... item 2) oh, yes, a very good idea ... item 3) I did already, the whole software is built up by those printf's. The problem boiled down to be some problem in the UNIX time routines. I use localtime(3), time(3) and a strftime(3) and strptime(3). I use a 'wikipedia'-algorithm converting the actual time string into an 'epoch' used in astronomical calculations. Compiling this routine with gcc42 and clang everything is all right, compiling it with gcc44 or gcc45 it returns 10 times higher values. I use very 'primitive' cutoffs for casting a double value into an int - I need the integrale value, not the remainings after the decimal point. I will check this again and look forward for a cleaner solution. But isn't this a 'bug'? I'll try the BETA of the new FreeBSD PathScale compiler if I get some. Well, I'll report ... Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
gjournal+geli
I'm planning to use gjournal+geli on a 2TB drive in a USB enclosure. What I've read about this suggest that the order should be: geli-gjournal-ufs. I was wondering if it's possible to do it in the order gjournal-geli-ufs, which should be much more efficient. I've read that ufs should go directly on gjournal, but I just wanted to check that that is needed. I was also wondering about the journal size, and whether there are any performance optimizations to be made to mitigate the extra encryption/decryption in the journal. The man page suggests a size of at least 2xmemory which would be 2x1.5GB now, or maybe 2x16GB to allow for potential upgrades. It seems very large. The disk will hold fairly static data so it will be mostly be long sustained writes as files are copied in. Currently coping from geli to geli with soft-updates is slightly cpu limited. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to Best Prevent Unwanted named installation
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:58:42 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu wrote: After successfully installing bind97 from a package on to a new server, I do a cvs-sup of the system to get the latest patches in to the kernel. After discovering that bind97 had been replaced with bind9.6.1, Presumably that's because you explicitly configured the port version to install in the same place as the system version. It doesn't do that by default. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
On 09/11/10 14:26, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Andrew Brampton brampton+free...@gmail.com mailto:brampton%2bfree...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 September 2010 10:28, O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de mailto:ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Dear Sirs, you see me a kind of desperate. I wrote my own a small piece of  software in C, calculating the orbit and position of astronomical objects, astroids, in a heliocentric coordinate system from Keplerian orbital elements. So far. The software calculates the set of points of an ellipse based upon ephemeridal datas taken from the Minor Planet Cataloge. Again, so far, everything all right. The set of points of an orbit is all right and correct. But when it comes to positions at a specific time, then I loose hair! Compiling this piece of software with FreeBSD's gcc (V4.2) and clang (clang devel) on my private and lab's FreeBSD boxes (both most recent FreeBSD 8.1/amd64), this program does well, the calculated orbital positions are very close to professional applications or observational checks. But when compiling the sources with gcc44 or gcc45 (same source, same CFLAG setting, mostly no CFLAGS set), then there is a great discrepancy. Sometimes when plotting positions, the results plotted seconds before differs from the most recent. The ellipses are allways correct, but the position of a single point at a specific time isn't correct. I use the GNU autotools to build the package. I suspekt miscompilations in memory alloction or in some time- or mathematical functions like sin, cos. before I digg deeper I'd like to ask the community for some hints how to hunt down such a problem. regards, Oliver Sounds a cool project. I suspect you are miss-using a feature of C or are using uninitialised memory, and with gcc44/45's more aggressive optimisations it is getting it wrong. I have three suggestions 1) Use valgrind to check if it finds anything wrong when running your program. Check both the good and the bad builds. 2) If your program is made up of multiple C files, then try compiling all of the C files with gcc42, but just one at a time with gcc44. This way will help you track down exactly which C file has the bug. 3) Finally do some printf debugging to find the first line of code that is generating the wrong value. I hope these suggestions help. Andrew Another check may be to use Sun Studio C and or Fortran compilers . These can be used in Linux ( Linux version of Sun Studio ) and/or OpenSolaris or Solaris ( Solaris version of SunStudio ( both in x86 , x86_64 , Sparc ) ( all of them are ( Solaris , OpenSolaris , Sun Studio , Linux  )  free ) . All of them are freely downloadable from www.sun.com http://www.sun.com and/or www.opensolaris.com http://www.opensolaris.com ( these sites or their pages may be redirected to www.oracle.com http://www.oracle.com owned pages ) . Personally I tried GCC compilers , but I found that they are very unreliable . Now I am using Sun Studio compilers in OpenSolaris and Linux , and never GCC compilers . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk  Hello. Well, the only other architectures I have access to are Linux boxes. clang ist a very nice compiler since its syntax checking is formidable. But its code is slow and there seems no OpenMP support at the moment. Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: gjournal+geli
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:25 AM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm planning to use gjournal+geli on a 2TB drive in a USB enclosure. What I've read about this suggest that the order should be: geli-gjournal-ufs. I was wondering if it's possible to do it in the order gjournal-geli-ufs, which should be much more efficient. I've read that ufs should go directly on gjournal, but I just wanted to check that that is needed. I was also wondering about the journal size, and whether there are any performance optimizations to be made to mitigate the extra encryption/decryption in the journal. The man page suggests a size of at least 2xmemory which would be 2x1.5GB now, or maybe 2x16GB to allow for potential upgrades. It seems very large. The disk will hold fairly static data so it will be mostly be long sustained writes as files are copied in. Currently coping from geli to geli with soft-updates is slightly cpu limited. AFAIK, ufs must be on top of gjournal. Specific changes were made to allow ufs to be aware of the journal and I think sticking geli in-between would destroy that relationship. IME, gjournal is more sensitive to load as the man page also suggests. I have one production server with moderate load, and a 5 GB problem. I think something like 5 -10 GB journal would be more than enough for almost all loads, but that's just a guess. It's easy to test though, just run blogbench or some other io benchmark for a sustained period of time. If it doesn't panic, you're golden. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to Best Prevent Unwanted named installation
On 09/10/10 21:58, Martin McCormick wrote: After successfully installing bind97 from a package on to a new server, I do a cvs-sup of the system to get the latest patches in to the kernel. After discovering that bind97 had been replaced with bind9.6.1, I looked in /usr/src and there is a contrib/bind9 directory. What is the safest way to disable that build without adversly effecting the rest of the update? The reason for doing these things in this order is that I would like to get bind running as quickly as possible since it takes a couple of hours or more to get the world built when we could be doing DNS. Since I am not using that version of bind, not getting it built is no problem. I don't even care if it gets built so long as it does not end up in /usr/sbin to clobber the new bind9.7. If your ports version of named is in /usr/sbin you must have enabled the REPLACE_BASE option in the port. From man src.conf WITHOUT_BIND Setting this variable will prevent any part of BIND from being built. When set, it also enforces the following options: [list of sub options snipped] Add WITHOUT_BIND= true into /etc/src.conf, and the next time you rebuild the world the base system bind will be left out of it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
apropos returning same item twice
Why does apropos list mysql(1) twice? It doesn't return duplicates with apropos kde... ad...@laptop2(/dev/pts/1)/usr/home/admin 106% apropos mysql mysql(1) - the MySQL command-line tool mysql.server(1) - MySQL server startup script mysql_config(1) - get compile options for compiling clients mysql_install_db(1) - initialize MySQL data directory mysql_tzinfo_to_sql(1) - load the time zone tables mysql_upgrade(1) - check tables for MySQL upgrade mysql_waitpid(1) - kill process and wait for its termination mysqladmin(1)- client for administering a MySQL server mysqlbinlog(1) - utility for processing binary log files mysqlbug(1) - generate bug report mysqlcheck(1)- a table maintenance program mysqld_safe(1) - MySQL server startup script safe_mysqld - MySQL server startup script mysqldump(1) - a database backup program mysqlimport(1) - a data import program mysqlshow(1) - display database, table, and column information mysqltest(1) - program to run test cases mysqltest_embedded - program to run embedded test cases slapd-ndb(5) - MySQL NDB backend to slapd mysql(1) - the MySQL command-line tool mysql.server(1) - MySQL server startup script mysql_config(1) - get compile options for compiling clients mysql_install_db(1) - initialize MySQL data directory mysql_tzinfo_to_sql(1) - load the time zone tables mysql_upgrade(1) - check tables for MySQL upgrade mysql_waitpid(1) - kill process and wait for its termination mysqladmin(1)- client for administering a MySQL server mysqlbinlog(1) - utility for processing binary log files mysqlbug(1) - generate bug report mysqlcheck(1)- a table maintenance program mysqld_safe(1) - MySQL server startup script safe_mysqld - MySQL server startup script mysqldump(1) - a database backup program mysqlimport(1) - a data import program mysqlshow(1) - display database, table, and column information mysqltest(1) - program to run test cases mysqltest_embedded - program to run embedded test cases slapd-ndb(5) - MySQL NDB backend to slapd -- System Name: laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org Hardware: 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory OS version:FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386 (6.9 MB kernel) manager(s):kde4-4.5.1 X windows: xorg-7.5X.Org X Server 1.7.5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Compiling software with different compiler than cc or clang results in unusable output
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Hello. Well, the only other architectures I have access to are Linux boxes. clang ist a very nice compiler since its syntax checking is formidable. But its code is slow and there seems no OpenMP support at the moment. Oliver The following pages may be useful : www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/downloads/index-jsp-141149.html www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/downloads/index-jsp-136197.html www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/documentation/express-june2010-137081.html ( Please notice Support for OpenMP 3.0 features in the C, C++, and Fortran compilers: ) This means that you may use Oracle Solaris Studio on Linux with OpenMP 3.0 support immediately . I do not know whether they can be used in FreeBSD as Linux programs or not , because I did not study such a possibility . For me , using Linux directly is easy . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
gs-8-8.71 under 8.1-Release missing x11 devices
gs 8-8.71 under FreeBSD 8.1-R seems missing x11 device. When use ghostview, it complains /unknown device x11 /By tracing around, I found it was caused by gs 8-8.71. As typing gs --help, it shows much less devices supported than gs 8-8.62 under FreeSBD 6.4-R. By searching on the Internet, one message says that this could be resulted by build config. Is this true? or can gs be dynamically configured to use x11 device? Hopefully, users do not have to recompile ghostscript. -Jin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
xvidtune and nouveau video driver
Ever since Debian went to the nouveau video driver for Nvidia, I have not been able to adjust my horizontal screen position with xvidtune. The application runs, but when I try to reset the HSyncStart value I get an error dialog box that says, Sorry: You have requested a mode-line that is not possible, or not supported by your hardware configuration. This didn't happen with the old nv driver. Does anyone know a fix other than reinstalling nv? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Upgrading packages - portupgrade confusion
Hi, I have 2 servers one production and another test. The test machine's packages however, seem to be older then the production machines one's even though I built the production system a few months ago. I used the: portupgrade command in order to try to upgrade the ports nad re-install the packages only the same versions seem to be compiling??? I ran: portupgrade -ai on the base system as the system where these packages are installed into is a FreeBSD jail. The ports in question are these: tomcat-6.0.29 Open-source Java web server by Apache, 6.x branch postgresql-client-8.2.17_1 PostgreSQL database (client) postgresql-server-8.2.17_1 The most advanced open-source database available anywhere Which on my newer test system show up as such: postgresql-client-8.2.13 PostgreSQL database (client) postgresql-server-8.2.13 The most advanced open-source database available anywhere tomcat-6.0.20_1 Open-source Java web server by Apache, 6.x branch I don't understand this 100%??? I would like the versions to be the same as the production system since I have a postgres-Tomcat connector which doesn't work on the test setup as my Tomcat webapp isn't being displayed!! Can I do anything about this?? I don't even know why it is like this although I must admit that it has been an exceptionally long day and am really suffering from fatigue now which might be a contributor but I can't tell. Can anyone give me any advise?? Many thanks and best regards, Kaya ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
portupgrade -a stops at building gnome-menus
FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #uname -a FreeBSD *...@.net 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1 RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Aug 12 08:43:46 CDT 2010 *...@.net:/usr/obj/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Running on VirtualBox Version 3.2.8 r64453 running on current Debian 'lenny', Pentium 4 2.4 GHz. 4G ram. portsnap update on 09/08/2010. Trying to do 'portupgrade -a', initially had a portupgrade stop at '/usr/ports/graphviz' an error about 'dot' and doxygen. Built doxygen and graphiz from the individual /usr/ports/*** directories after 'portsclean -DLP' and individual 'make clean' in the respective /usr/ports directories. Had the /usr/local/include/python2.6/pth.h link to /usr/local/include/pth/pth.h issue. Fixed that and portupgrade borked at building gnome-menus. '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpth'. Did ln -s /usr/local/lib/pth/libpth.a /usr/local/lib/ and ln -s /usr/local/include/pth/pth.h /usr/local/include/python2.6/ - again. Ran make install clean from /usr/ports/x11/gnome-menus after executing make clean. Still no joy. Yeah, I'm a 15 year linux guy, but, I've installed and used FreeBSD around the 5.0-RELEASE days so I don't think I'm totally clueless. I'm running it as a virtual machine because I would like to install it on a new machine once I get past the test drive and checkout. Tried to build a new kernel a week or two ago and that went awry. Deleted the VM and reinstalled from the RELEASE dvd.iso. What am I doing wrong? Michael D. Norwick PS: I've R.T.F.M'd and Googled. Filed a bug report on the graphviz issue but now I don't think it was a problem with the graphviz build. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading packages - portupgrade confusion
Kaya Saman wrote: Hi, I have 2 servers one production and another test. The test machine's packages however, seem to be older then the production machines one's even though I built the production system a few months ago. I used the: portupgrade command in order to try to upgrade the ports nad re-install the packages only the same versions seem to be compiling??? I ran: portupgrade -ai on the base system as the system where these packages are installed into is a FreeBSD jail. The ports in question are these: tomcat-6.0.29 Open-source Java web server by Apache, 6.x branch postgresql-client-8.2.17_1 PostgreSQL database (client) postgresql-server-8.2.17_1 The most advanced open-source database available anywhere Which on my newer test system show up as such: postgresql-client-8.2.13 PostgreSQL database (client) postgresql-server-8.2.13 The most advanced open-source database available anywhere tomcat-6.0.20_1 Open-source Java web server by Apache, 6.x branch I don't understand this 100%??? I would like the versions to be the same as the production system since I have a postgres-Tomcat connector which doesn't work on the test setup as my Tomcat webapp isn't being displayed!! Can I do anything about this?? I don't even know why it is like this although I must admit that it has been an exceptionally long day and am really suffering from fatigue now which might be a contributor but I can't tell. Can anyone give me any advise?? Have you refreshed the ports tree(s) with csup using the same supfile to ensure the ports trees are up to date ( and therefore identical)? Since you are using portugrade, as I do, this is what I do to see what needs to be done: I cd to /usr/sup which is where I keep my supfiles and the housekeeping. Then using this command sequence will refresh the ports tree, the ports index database, and ensure the package database is clean and synced. Portversion then just tells you with a symbol any that are old and in need of an update. csup -L 2 ports portsdb -uF pkgdb -u portversion where ports above is my supfile for ports refresh and looks like this: *default host=cvsup.nl.freebsd.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix compress ports-all Then a portupgrade -a as required. If all symbols in the right column are = everything is up to date and nothing is required. Adjust server location for mirror near you (or one that works best). -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: gs-8-8.71 under 8.1-Release missing x11 devices
Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: gs 8-8.71 under FreeBSD 8.1-R seems missing x11 device. When use ghostview, it complains /unknown device x11 /By tracing around, I found it was caused by gs 8-8.71. As typing gs --help, it shows much less devices supported than gs 8-8.62 under FreeSBD 6.4-R. By searching on the Internet, one message says that this could be resulted by build config. Is this true? or can gs be dynamically configured to use x11 device? Possibly, if the module was built at compile time when selected from the make config list. However, I suspect it is not needed and just in the way. There may be a .conf file somewhere where you could tell it not to load the X11 modules even though they may have been built. Hopefully, users do not have to recompile ghostscript. When you run make config in the ghostscript port you should get a list with checkboxes to set build configuration. Unless there is some direct need you might consider clearing the X11 checkbox(es) and recompiling with make, then make deinstall, followed by make reinstall. If you want to completely clear the build config simply do make rmconfig and it will remove previously saved options. Then make should present you with the build config option screen with default options preselected. Doing make config allows to pull up the saved options for adjustment as needed. But the short answer is you probably need to rebuild the port without the X11 modules which are producing your errors and probably not needed anyway. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sysinstall vs gmirror
How do I get sysinstall to recognize a gmirror?
I've created the mirror -- which currently has only one provider --
using Fixit#, followed by
Fixit# ln -s /dist/boot/kernel /boot
Fixit# gmirror load
after which /dev/mirror/gm0{,a,b} exist. However, even after
rescanning the disks, sysinstall doesn't include gm0 in its
drive list. I also tried:
Fixit# ( cd /dev ln -s mirror/* . ll gm* )
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 gm0@ - mirror/gm0
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 gm0a@ - mirror/gm0a
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 gm0b@ - mirror/gm0b
in case sysinstall looks only in /dev itself and not in any
subdirectories, and that didn't help. I even tried:
Fixit# ( cd /dev ln -s mirror/gm0 ar0 \
for p in a b d e ; \
do ln -s mirror/gm0$p ar0$p ; done ll ar* )
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 ar0@ - mirror/gm0
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 ar0a@ - mirror/gm0a
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 ar0b@ - mirror/gm0b
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 ar0d@ - mirror/gm0d
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root 0 10 Sep 6 10:48 ar0e@ - mirror/gm0e
in case sysinstall looks only for names of known disk drivers,
and that didn't help either.
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