pseuadofs security announcement...
CouLd someone confirm my reading of the pseudofs security announcement issued yesterday? It seems that it only applies to 7 prior to 7.3 and 8 prior to RC1. This means that it doesn't apply to 8.1-R, correct? TIA Peter. Peter Harrison www.4harrisons.blogspot.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: running FreeBSD on Windows host
El día Monday, August 23, 2010 a las 12:39:14PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: On 23/08/2010 10:08 π.μ., Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I've to re-install my laptop with some Windows version (Vista or Windows 7) with disk encryption. Of course I will go on to work in FreeBSD 9-CURRENT and KDE3 as desktop. Please, don't ask me why I have to put Windows below :-) I have some questions: From the point of view of performance in FreeBSD, what would be better, Vista or Win7? Win 7 is a lot better than Vista... Any recommendation for the virtualisation software for best performance? Vmware achieves very good performance without trouble. VirtualBox works OK most of the time (and it's free) but I had some kernel panics running FreeBSD (unless the host is also FreeBSD!) Have not tried very recent versions though, it may have improved. I'm now using Windows7 Professional and VMWare Workstation 7.0. I have only one issue with this so far: Bridged Networking is not working; to be more exactly: the host does not let go out UDP traffic to priv ports = 1023, for example UDP 53 for DNS; all other is working as expected, IP and UDP to ports 1023; I tested this with netcat(1) tool. NAT'ed and Host Only networking is fine too. I have Google'd for this and I only see that I'm not alone with this, but as well not alone with no solution; for example here: http://communities.vmware.com/message/1454201 Ubuntu as guest has the same problem. A colleague claims that it works fine with SuSE as guest, will check this out with his VM on my host and VMWare installation. Any ideas? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux?
from O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de; Hello out there, well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in severe support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my work. I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like FreeBSD, where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the the Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some people out here having already taken this step. Any suggestion is appreciated, thanks in advance, Oliver When I first saw that question, my first thoughts were Gentoo http://www.gentoo.org/ Linux from Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Lunar Linux http://www.lunar-linux.org/ Slackware is a full Linux distribution with its own binary, not source, package manager that knows nothing about dependencies. Linux does not come with a BSD-style base system, though a full distribution has many packages already put together and ready to install (like PC-BSD?). From what I could tell from the web sites, Gentoo and Lunar Linux have package managers included, but Linux from Scratch doesn't. One package manager I've thought of for Linux is NetBSD pkgsrc, which has been ported to many Unixes and quasi-Unixes, am not sure what to start with for Linux. There is System Rescue CD, which includes gcc/GNU tools, which might work as a starter: I haven't tried but plan to do what you plan to do, when I get that new computer I've been planning on, in addition to FreeBSD and perhaps NetBSD. http://www.sysresccd.org/ Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to generate pi in c
Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code? atanl(1) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CPIO compatibility with Freebsd 8[.1]
'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyo' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyc: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyc' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.py: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.py' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyo: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyo' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyc: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyc' [snip] how about --make-directories? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work
I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as i'm having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with messages about disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE JMB363 based too! on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just waits 15 seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on that chips? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sysinstall install.cfg
Hi all, Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically generate much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files that are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts that are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the output to /a. I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because sysinstall is removing it. The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted putting the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed here require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). It seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the installCommit. Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall install.cfg
On 11 November 2010 12:12, vrwmil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically generate much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files that are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts that are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the output to /a. I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because sysinstall is removing it. The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted putting the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed here require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). It seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the installCommit. Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org have a look at the pc-bsd installer as it will let you do far more advanced installations, and probably easier. Its been commited to head as it looks like it going to become the standard bsd installer in the future. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How do we like our base kerberos? Will it flee soon?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Leon Meßner wrote: Hi, I'm looking for workarounds for this crappy situation which currently prevents FreeBSD8 from working together with libgssapi (see kern/147454) and multiple threads on -questions. What i tried: - Use old RELENG_8 and RELENG_8_1 sources where Benjamin's patch still applied. (Can't build world then). - Modify /usr/bin/krb5-config to include -lgssapi_spnego -lgssapi_krb5 at the right place (works on some machines). What i didn't try: - Use the port. How are you handling this situation. Does anyone know a cvs tag= and date= combination which lets you build world with Benjamin's patch (tried RELENG_8 and _8_1 from 24.6 and 19.7 and now)? Actually a complete base kerberos would be much appreciated. Hi, please take a look at ports/152030 and the patches i mentioned in the PR. With applied ports/152030 and the world patch applied, you should be able to build a world fully against the security/heimdal port by simply specifying WITH_KERBEROS_PORT=1 in /etc/src.conf and HEIMDAL_HOME=prefix (normally /usr/local) in /etc/make.conf. You should specify WITHOUT_KERBEROS=1 in /etc/src.conf to avoid mess and confusion with two different heimdal version installed. Don't forget to install the security/heimdal port first. Comments are welcome. I will send out a CFT/RFC as soon as the PR is committed. Kind regards Joerg - -- The beginning is the most important part of the work. -Plato -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFM3ApTSPOsGF+KA+MRApnEAJ9G5xQ0dAaEX3a1gDweFdu13aPlCACfd5w8 XzalkEA6/BAsZ0ahtCrIop8= =1dPp -END PGP SIGNATURE-___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall install.cfg
vgc I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the vgc resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the vgc InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In vgc troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other vgc stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because vgc sysinstall is removing it. sysinstall basically does a chroot into the newly installed root after doing the installcommit, and then remounts the installation source as /dist (not quite true, you can mount other sources at this time, but always to /dist). After the installcommit, you basically are now at a normal freebsd installation (ie: /usr/bin and the like are available). You lose access to your original mfsroot distribution at this point. R. -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, doug wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) d...@safeport.com d...@safeport.com articulated: When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by libpciaccess. Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to suggest things have changed. Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. I was not aware of the possibility - thanks The PE300 has no documented jumpers on the mother board effecting the VGA. Am I correct in my understanding that this is a FreeBSD issue that makes Xorg a 'victim'? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 14:45 +0200, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote: We use FreeBSD extensively and keep a local mirror of the CVS repository. Up until recently things where working properly with the various servers listed in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mirrors-rsync.html, but sometime during the summer ftp13.freebsd.org did not respond anymore and since then rsync replication is broken. The main issue (besides the removal of ftp13.freebsd.org) is that most rsync sources refuse to replicate the content of the .Attic directories in the CVS tree. This means that performing a check-out on ports using a tag usually won't work as some files will not be there anymore. Here are the typical logs I get using most rsync servers: rsync: opendir /3/freebsd-core/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ports/chinese/pcmanx/files/Attic (in vol) failed: Permission denied (13) At this moment the only rsync server that provides an adequate replication of the CVS repository is ftp2.tw.FreeBSD.org. As others have reported this was caused by the permissions on the Attic directories not including world read permission. For sites where it was working it's actually an indication they're not following best practices for a mirror site. It's typically a bad idea to have the thing that allows access to the content of the mirror site running with the same credentials as what keeps the mirror site up to date. We don't use the 'feature' that allow for (pre-staging content that the world shouldn't have access to for a period of time, allowing the mirror sites to get fully populated before the release date) but I know of other projects that do. The ftp-master machines don't have that in place because they're not public and they need to allow the blessed mirrors access to everything (for the purposes of pre-staging, if we were actually using that feature...). The development/ section of the FTP site is something I hadn't looked at before so it took me a little time to find what populates it and investigate a little. I *think* the issue with the Attic directories not including world-read permissions was either an issue with a badly formed chmod(1) done a long time ago or an issue with the mechanism that populates that portion of the FTP site missing a umask setting in the script that does it some time back in history (it's there now). Not all of the Attic directories had the wrong permissions, it seemed to stop some time in 2007. I adjusted the permissions on ftp-master so hopefully this issue is fixed. However ... We are moving to svn and svnsync for the freebsd source tree (and I am happy with this), but the ports do not seem to be available using SVN (or not in a documented way). Can something be done to restore RSYNC mirroring of the CVS tree to a working state ? The FTP site desperately needs to go on a diet so we're poking around to see if there is some stuff that can be dropped. This section of the site is a candidate for being removed. As you say the ports are not available in SVN but I'm curious why you use the content from the FTP site instead of just using a CVSUP mirror. Is there some benefit to it? We would sort of like to stop providing this as part of the FTP site if there really isn't any benefit to it over using the cvsup mirror infrastructure which won't be going away any time soon. Thanks. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodor Geisel | signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
FreeBSD on Rackspace Could
I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if they were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and 5 different Windowses they offer. But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall install.cfg
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Ross we...@connection.ca wrote: vgc I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the vgc resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the vgc InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In vgc troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other vgc stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because vgc sysinstall is removing it. sysinstall basically does a chroot into the newly installed root after doing the installcommit, and then remounts the installation source as /dist (not quite true, you can mount other sources at this time, but always to /dist). After the installcommit, you basically are now at a normal freebsd installation (ie: /usr/bin and the like are available). You lose access to your original mfsroot distribution at this point. Thank you, Ross. Your explanation of what was happening lead me to combine the 2nd of the 2 scripts prior to the installCommit and the 3rd script that I was running after the installCommit. The result of the code in the scripts plus the lines in the install.cfg were echoed out to a file and subsequently loaded via loadConfig. This produced the desired result. -- Take care Rick Miller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall install.cfg
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 12:12 +, vrwmil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically generate much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files that are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts that are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the output to /a. I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. Before distExtractAll is called (called implicitly by installCommit if not previously called), this is the layout of your environment: / -- your mfsroot /mnt -- your newly formatted disk (empty at this time) /mnt/dist -- your install media (beit CD/DVD, NFS, etc.) Meanwhile, _after_ distExtractAll (or installCommit in your case), you are chroot(2)'ed into /mnt, so this is now your environment: / -- your newly formatted disk (populated with FreeBSD now) /dist -- your install media In troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand That's right: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.diff?r1=1.360;r2=1.361;f=h That change was made 5 years, 9 months ago. and doing other stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because sysinstall is removing it. The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted putting the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed here require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). It seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the installCommit. Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. You essentially have about 5 options (I'll let you choose): 1. You can patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around. 2. You can use an older mfsroot containing an older build of sysinstall which doesn't blow away `/stand' (not recommended) 3. You can switch using pc-sysinstall (as mentioned by krad) 4. You can create a post_install.cfg in the install media and have your call loadConfig on `/dist/post_install.cfg' after installCommit 5. You can use an mfsroot already tailored specifically to your needs available at http://druidbsd.sf.net/ Let's look at each option in detail: 1. If you want to patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around, here's what you need to do: a. cvsup the FreeBSD source tree (beyond the scope of this e-mail) b. Apply the below patch --- /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c 2010-11-11 03:05:53.0 -0800 +++ /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.orig 2010-06-13 19:09:06.0 -0700 @@ -906,6 +906,9 @@ installFixupBase(dialogMenuItem *self) /* BOGON #5: aliases database not built for bin */ vsystem(newaliases); + /* BOGON #6: Remove /stand (finally) */ + vsystem(rm -rf /stand); + /* Now run all the mtree stuff to fix things up */ vsystem(mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /); vsystem(mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var); c. Compile a new mfsroot containing your patched sysinstall by: i. cd /usr/src ii. make buildworld iii. cd /usr/src/release iv. make release CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES NOTE: If the `make release' fails, it can be resumed... i. cd /usr/src/release ii. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES \ RELEASENOUPDATE=YES d. Your mfsroot is at `/usr/release/R/stage/mfsroot/mfsroot.gz' NOTE: If, after a successful release, you want to change re-build your mfsroot, you really ought to only re-do the `make release' step. However, that can be lengthy. If you want to patch only a single file and rebuild, you need to first copy the modified files from `/usr/src' to `/usr/release/usr/src' (for example, copy `/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c' to `/usr/release/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c') and then: i. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.4 ii. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.8 iii. cd /usr/src/release iv. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release \ EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES \ NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES RELEASENOUPDATE=YES NOTE: If it looks like you're going to go this route, please keep reading. The last suggestion is to use my DruidBSD platform which already has such patches applied, compiled, and ready to download. 2. Using an older mfsroot that keeps
ssh authentication error
Hi, On a mac system i generated the key using ssh-keygen -t dsa and copied .ssh/id_dsa.pub to /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys on a Freebsd server, but it prompts for the password There's no passphrase for the key. Key generated from the linux or Freebsd machine works fine on the server. it shows this message in the auth.log sshd[5752]: error: PAM: authentication error for username from host Thank you Rihaz ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Re: sysinstall install.cfg
Wow! Thanks for all the info and the time you spent pulling it together and writing it out, Devin! There is a lot to digest. Right now, I do have a workaround that I am currently testing out. I will be hanging onto your email for future reference, certainly. On Nov 11, 2010 12:19pm, Devin Teske dte...@vicor.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 12:12 +, vrwmil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically generate much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files that are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts that are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the output to /a. I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. Before distExtractAll is called (called implicitly by installCommit if not previously called), this is the layout of your environment: / -- your mfsroot /mnt -- your newly formatted disk (empty at this time) /mnt/dist -- your install media (beit CD/DVD, NFS, etc.) Meanwhile, _after_ distExtractAll (or installCommit in your case), you are chroot(2)'ed into /mnt, so this is now your environment: / -- your newly formatted disk (populated with FreeBSD now) /dist -- your install media In troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand That's right: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.diff?r1=1.360;r2=1.361;f=h That change was made 5 years, 9 months ago. and doing other stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because sysinstall is removing it. The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted putting the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed here require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). It seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the installCommit. Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. You essentially have about 5 options (I'll let you choose): 1. You can patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around. 2. You can use an older mfsroot containing an older build of sysinstall which doesn't blow away `/stand' (not recommended) 3. You can switch using pc-sysinstall (as mentioned by krad) 4. You can create a post_install.cfg in the install media and have your call loadConfig on `/dist/post_install.cfg' after installCommit 5. You can use an mfsroot already tailored specifically to your needs available at http://druidbsd.sf.net/ Let's look at each option in detail: 1. If you want to patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around, here's what you need to do: a. cvsup the FreeBSD source tree (beyond the scope of this e-mail) b. Apply the below patch --- /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c 2010-11-11 03:05:53.0 -0800 +++ /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.orig 2010-06-13 19:09:06.0 -0700 @@ -906,6 +906,9 @@ installFixupBase(dialogMenuItem *self) /* BOGON #5: aliases database not built for bin */ vsystem(newaliases); + /* BOGON #6: Remove /stand (finally) */ + vsystem(rm -rf /stand); + /* Now run all the mtree stuff to fix things up */ vsystem(mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /); vsystem(mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var); c. Compile a new mfsroot containing your patched sysinstall by: i. cd /usr/src ii. make buildworld iii. cd /usr/src/release iv. make release CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES NOTE: If the `make release' fails, it can be resumed... i. cd /usr/src/release ii. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES \ RELEASENOUPDATE=YES d. Your mfsroot is at `/usr/release/R/stage/mfsroot/mfsroot.gz' NOTE: If, after a successful release, you want to change re-build your mfsroot, you really ought to only re-do the `make release' step. However, that can be lengthy. If you want to patch only a single file and rebuild, you need to first copy the modified files from `/usr/src' to `/usr/release/usr/src' (for example, copy `/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c' to `/usr/release/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c') and then: i. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.4 ii. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.8 iii. cd /usr/src/release iv. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release \ EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES \ NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES
zfs mirrors and high availability
I am running a 100% zfs based FreeBSD 8.0 system with 4 disks: two zfs mirrored boot drives and two zfs mirrored data drives. This morning the server went down with the following errors in the log file: Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): SYNCHRONIZE CACHE(10). CDB: 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): ABORTED COMMAND asc: 0,0 Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): No additional sense information Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): Retries Exhausted Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003c87a0:2838 timed out for ccb 0xff0103acc000 (req-ccb 0xff0103acc000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003c5110:2839 timed out for ccb 0xff035cab0800 (req-ccb 0xff035cab0800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: attempting to abort req 0xff80003c87a0:2838 function 0 Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003bef30:2840 timed out for ccb 0xff0007986800 (req-ccb 0xff0007986800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003c8560:2841 timed out for ccb 0xff032d985000 (req-ccb 0xff032d985000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003bf320:2842 timed out for ccb 0xff0103af2000 (req-ccb 0xff0103af2000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003cbda0:2843 timed out for ccb 0xff0103b0b000 (req-ccb 0xff0103b0b000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003bfd40:2844 timed out for ccb 0xff00102bf800 (req-ccb 0xff00102bf800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003cad50:2845 timed out for ccb 0xff01e6f33000 (req-ccb 0xff01e6f33000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003caf00:2846 timed out for ccb 0xff01e6f24800 (req-ccb 0xff01e6f24800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xff80003ccd60:2847 timed out for ccb 0xff01308a4000 (req-ccb 0xff01308a4000) Why didn't zfs stop talking to the disk that was clearly having issues? Are there sysctl or other variables that I can set that will allow zfs to mark a disk as failed more aggressively? Is there a way that I could have prevented the crash? The system was up, pingable, but not accessible via ssh. My guess is that all disk related requests were queueing/stuck. A few more notes on my setup: Harware: Dell PowerEdge 2970, 1 CPU, 16 GB Ram pool: Storage state: ONLINE scrub: none requested config: NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM Storage ONLINE 0 0 0 mirrorONLINE 0 0 0 da1 ONLINE 0 0 0 da3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: zboot state: ONLINE scrub: scrub in progress for 0h22m, 72.03% done, 0h8m to go config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zboot ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/disk0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/disk1 ONLINE 0 0 0 -- Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: pseuadofs security announcement...
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:01, four.harris...@googlemail.com wrote: CouLd someone confirm my reading of the pseudofs security announcement issued yesterday? It seems that it only applies to 7 prior to 7.3 and 8 prior to RC1. This means that it doesn't apply to 8.1-R, correct? Yes - 8.1 is r210188, it was fixed in r196859. -- Rob Farmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
How to obtain what swi1:net is doing?
Hi, all last pid: 65736; load averages: 3.54, 4.46, 3.92up 4+07:51:26 21:19:08 215 processes: 8 running, 195 sleeping, 12 waiting CPU 0: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 42.9% system, 11.4% interrupt, 42.9% idle CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 54.3% system, 17.1% interrupt, 28.6% idle CPU 2: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 57.1% system, 5.7% interrupt, 34.3% idle CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 45.7% system, 17.1% interrupt, 37.1% idle Mem: 502M Active, 87M Inact, 324M Wired, 24M Cache, 112M Buf, 1053M Free Swap: 20G Total, 72K Used, 20G Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 15 root -44- 0K 8K CPU1 3 31.4H 71.39% swi1: net 35 root -68- 0K 8K CPU0 0 21.7H 50.20% dummynet 14 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN0 74.8H 42.87% idle: cpu0 11 root 171 ki31 0K 8K CPU3 3 78.4H 31.79% idle: cpu3 13 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN1 80.3H 29.69% idle: cpu1 12 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN2 76.9H 23.49% idle: cpu2 1698 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 2 312:30 15.38% ng_queue0 1700 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 3 313:02 15.09% ng_queue2 1699 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 2 314:18 14.89% ng_queue1 1701 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 1 312:54 14.06% ng_queue3 63829 www 500 185M 123M select 0 0:47 4.05% httpd 59213 root960 400M 61940K CPU3 2 32:24 2.98% rtorrent 16 root -32- 0K 8K WAIT 2 129:41 0.39% swi4: clock sio mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing?
Perhaps run it inside gdb? -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of ??? ??? Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:21 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? Hi, all last pid: 65736; load averages: 3.54, 4.46, 3.92up 4+07:51:26 21:19:08 215 processes: 8 running, 195 sleeping, 12 waiting CPU 0: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 42.9% system, 11.4% interrupt, 42.9% idle CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 54.3% system, 17.1% interrupt, 28.6% idle CPU 2: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 57.1% system, 5.7% interrupt, 34.3% idle CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 45.7% system, 17.1% interrupt, 37.1% idle Mem: 502M Active, 87M Inact, 324M Wired, 24M Cache, 112M Buf, 1053M Free Swap: 20G Total, 72K Used, 20G Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 15 root -44- 0K 8K CPU1 3 31.4H 71.39% swi1: net 35 root -68- 0K 8K CPU0 0 21.7H 50.20% dummynet 14 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN0 74.8H 42.87% idle: cpu0 11 root 171 ki31 0K 8K CPU3 3 78.4H 31.79% idle: cpu3 13 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN1 80.3H 29.69% idle: cpu1 12 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN2 76.9H 23.49% idle: cpu2 1698 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 2 312:30 15.38% ng_queue0 1700 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 3 313:02 15.09% ng_queue2 1699 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 2 314:18 14.89% ng_queue1 1701 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 1 312:54 14.06% ng_queue3 63829 www 500 185M 123M select 0 0:47 4.05% httpd 59213 root960 400M 61940K CPU3 2 32:24 2.98% rtorrent 16 root -32- 0K 8K WAIT 2 129:41 0.39% swi4: clock sio mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
how to overwrite the content of a file
Hello, What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with bytes of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the file system, but overwrite the old blocks? I've checked $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=4 but dd(1) opens the file with O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC which for sure will give away the old blocks and adquire new blocks. Any idea? The background of the question is that I want to make sure, that certain content is not placed into a dump of the file system before give away the output of the dump(8). Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to overwrite the content of a file
In the last episode (Nov 11), Matthias Apitz said: What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with bytes of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the file system, but overwrite the old blocks? I've checked $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=4 but dd(1) opens the file with O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC which for sure will give away the old blocks and adquire new blocks. Any idea? conv=notrunc (note that this will only help with ufs; zfs is always copy-on-write, so newly-written data never overwrites the old blocks) -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to overwrite the content of a file
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with bytes of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the file system, but overwrite the old blocks? I've checked $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=4 but dd(1) opens the file with O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC which for sure will give away the old blocks and adquire new blocks. Any idea? Well there is rm -P although I'm not sure that accomplished exactly what you are looking for. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing?
On 11/11/10 20:20, Коньков Евгений wrote: Hi, all How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? The short answer is: depending on what your network card is, it could be everything related to TCP/IP-level processing. In your case, you are doing a lot of work in netgraph and dummynet, probably shaping, but have high dummynet usage which probably means its handling the lower level of network IO, probably with a high packet rate. You might try including the following loader.conf tunables: net.isr.direct_force=0 net.isr.maxthreads=2 ... and report if it helps you. (but be careful: here you must measure real-world performance not CPU usage!) last pid: 65736; load averages: 3.54, 4.46, 3.92up 4+07:51:26 21:19:08 215 processes: 8 running, 195 sleeping, 12 waiting CPU 0: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 42.9% system, 11.4% interrupt, 42.9% idle CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 54.3% system, 17.1% interrupt, 28.6% idle CPU 2: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 57.1% system, 5.7% interrupt, 34.3% idle CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 45.7% system, 17.1% interrupt, 37.1% idle Mem: 502M Active, 87M Inact, 324M Wired, 24M Cache, 112M Buf, 1053M Free Swap: 20G Total, 72K Used, 20G Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 15 root -44- 0K 8K CPU1 3 31.4H 71.39% swi1: net 35 root -68- 0K 8K CPU0 0 21.7H 50.20% dummynet 14 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN0 74.8H 42.87% idle: cpu0 11 root 171 ki31 0K 8K CPU3 3 78.4H 31.79% idle: cpu3 13 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN1 80.3H 29.69% idle: cpu1 12 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN2 76.9H 23.49% idle: cpu2 1698 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 2 312:30 15.38% ng_queue0 1700 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 3 313:02 15.09% ng_queue2 1699 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 2 314:18 14.89% ng_queue1 1701 root -68- 0K 8K sleep 1 312:54 14.06% ng_queue3 63829 www 500 185M 123M select 0 0:47 4.05% httpd 59213 root960 400M 61940K CPU3 2 32:24 2.98% rtorrent 16 root -32- 0K 8K WAIT 2 129:41 0.39% swi4: clock sio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GPT Question
On 11/10/2010 9:34 PM, Mark Caudill wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firstly, hello list. This is my first post here and while I'm a long time Linux user, I'm a recent FreeBSD convert so please bear with me. Yesterday I installed an extra hard drive that used to be in a Windows 7 box. In sysinstall I ran fdisk then label to try to get the disk ready. The problem was that even though after I hit 'w' and it didn't give any errors, when I did a `ls /dev/ad*` it was still showing the old partitions, even after a reboot. I tried running fdisk manually and a few other things I found on Google but they all seemed to just be silently failing since they never showed an error but the changes never really went into effect. When I was first building out this box I had an issue partitioning the disks but the behavior was different in that it errored with messages about not being able to commit or write the changes to disk. That issue turned out to be with some GPTs on the drive which I was able to remove in Linux with parted. Anyway, I figured that there was a chance that this might be a GPT issue since this drive came form the same machine as the other. I couldn't remember what command I had run and didn't feel like pulling the drive into another machine so I just ran `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad12 bs=512` and let it run. That must have done the trick because I was then able to partition the disk in sysinstall and all is well. What I'm wondering is what really went on here? I'm not clear at all as to why FreeBSD (or some mechanism within this installation) isn't able to handle this. Or was this a GPT issue at all? I'd like to find out what was going on so that I don't chase my tail again on issues like this in the future. Thanks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM22Q5AAoJEB/pNtMYu8Pl8G4P/RyHfn03BxY0tSaii2J1a5gQ L7q7ZK9mrvpXCv/tGk+ieWwct01cgpf3SRoEbmjpnL4c//g54fChCdOylJDD7wpU LlxB4CsNMkV9JIT46zkw6ET6ERFYVC0sG+DxJr3JRCkRcTseQjNbNaKJuESMHsu3 OoYrjKjosz5juqkqS0Ty930KCcWRX5DYLsBH0QSHg7q+9ZNnFBuNIB0os4DyZ803 rmxg0bz4YDzTHFe7sJG1/uhN1gUGT3jGUuXUEKnKIrZQaUvdJe3xfNtq/mqHKiZG il45ljdxESt/Y9p7MyGle439YM/BtFt48+O9vcbd0Oljl+nwlFVHNPMKd91KOv/b WPd8y1wmO2X7tTUetDqjby3GlRjvpuPrzddfbpj87DqKdvJ3hqGtGRflrMeWLklg dAS5n3Q8x42vu/5CXlCWtNO2GQMYWTX7VPWmCzymzC60A3YM4UoY3GEF7PV/tChS etUVcSp3JhpepOjgVyY7SA+dO3sZhLAvulqhy/KX6E1ffkCoRMPYWdu9zYXk1F/i 6tEpEDdU7QAViCSbUnp7ZZrt/QcG5XbD0yOUy1M/bvfkGo3qd+TukTCJ8s0JDZ8x lPYF+p8pkzm9zfFeA1e90VqkkhNb/gDFzwg3grcO5hEse4OXlsXMmA5kfxjVKbFj mUO0LYyMmd0QW49J91ts =w5P4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org My understanding is, if you are using FreeBSD 8.x, sysinstall / fdisk will not write disk partitions. gpart is used now. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [freebsd] pecl-imagick - Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) on php -i under freebsd 7.3
Good evening, On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 10:45 +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote: Problem: [...@pandora ~]$ php -v -c /usr/local/etc/php.ini-production PHP 5.3.2 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 14 2010 18:11:48) Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) If I comment the line extension=imagick.so in /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini , it works fine (but without imagick then...). I tried recompiling about nearly all related packages (png, imagemagick, php, etc.), but it didn't helped. Same if I comment some other extensions (like pdf.so, etc.). All packages are 100% uptodate, as well as the OS (7.3-RELEASE-p1 amd64), but it was previously a 7.2 system, so this may have an influence. Is anybody using pecl-imagick without this segfault at the moment? Or do you have any suggestion about what I could try? I will setup a blank 7.3 system as a VM later this week to test by myself I finally did that now (vmware-based freebsd basic system + fresh ports tree + portinstall -rvbp php5 pecl-imagick), and it is exactly the same: Segfault still displayed. Maybe it's related to the WITHOUT_X11=yes in my make.conf ? I'll try again without that parameter later. Here are the ports list and gdb output, maybe someone will have an idea why it is reacting like that? : [r...@bsdbox73 ~]# php -v PHP 5.3.3 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Nov 11 2010 14:40:34) Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) [r...@bsdbox73 ~]# [r...@bsdbox73 ~]# gdb php php.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type show copying to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as amd64-marcel-freebsd...(no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `php'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libcrypt.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libcrypt.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libz.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libz.so.4 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libpcre.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libpcre.so.0 Reading symbols from /lib/libm.so.5...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libm.so.5 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x000803190820 in ?? () (gdb) (gdb) bt #0 0x000803190820 in ?? () #1 0x000800db17d5 in xmlFreeMutex () from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 #2 0x000800db1215 in xmlCleanupGlobals () from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 #3 0x000800d49d3a in xmlCleanupParser () from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 #4 0x0044ff28 in php_libxml_shutdown () #5 0x0044ff59 in zm_shutdown_libxml () #6 0x00558f2f in module_destructor () #7 0x0056061a in zend_hash_apply_deleter () #8 0x00560888 in zend_hash_graceful_reverse_destroy () #9 0x00554357 in zend_shutdown () #10 0x005005f5 in php_module_shutdown () #11 0x005dea4f in main () #12 0x004186de in _start () #13 0x000800781000 in ?? () #14 0x in ?? () #15 0x in ?? () [...] ---Type return to continue, or q return to quit---q Quit (gdb) [r...@bsdbox73 ~]# cat /etc//make.conf # om/20080318 WITHOUT_X11=yes [r...@bsdbox73 ~]# cat /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini extension=imagick.so [r...@bsdbox73 ~]# uname -a FreeBSD bsdbox73.omx.ch 7.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE #0: Sun Mar 21 05:25:24 UTC 2010 r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [r...@bsdbox73 ~]# pkg_info ImageMagick-nox11-6.6.4.10 Image processing tools apache-2.0.64 Version 2.0.x of Apache web server with prefork MPM. apr-0.9.19.0.9.19 Apache Portability Library autoconf-2.68 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms autoconf-wrapper-20071109 Wrapper script for GNU autoconf automake-1.11.1 GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.11) automake-wrapper-20071109 Wrapper script for GNU automake bash-4.0.35 The GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell cups-client-1.4.4 Common UNIX Printing System: Library cups
Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Not this shit again... On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:39 PM, José Silveira wrote: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39:28PM +, José Silveira wrote: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Of course, it is not a devil. IT is a helper daemon. It is your prejudice and lack of knowledge of ancient mythology that leads you to calling it a devil. What you should do it look in the FreeBSD-Questions list archive. THere are hundreds of responses already posted to this question. There is even stuff on the web site and a simple Google search will get you many more. jerry José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Is this better? José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Is this better? (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
PLEASE let's not rehash this again!!! - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu Nov 11 18:50:00 2010 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Is this better? (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:21:01AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: The STRENGTH OF GUI (yes, I'm really saying that) is to aid using language elements, CLI. Arranging windows, presenting information, displaying structures, managing things. GUI alone, with no functional substance behind it, is useless. Sadly, you'll find more and more programs that have blingbling and experience, but are useless to those who want to achieve a certain goal with it. Another strength, potentially large but all-too-frequently overlooked entirely, is as a learning aid. In the situation that operations in the GUI map reasonably well to TUI commands -- which by definition includes cases in which the GUI is used as a front-end to issue commands to an external TUI-based program -- the GUI really should have a mode wherein it displays or logs the TUI commands that it is performing. I agree. That is one type of GUI I would really love to see getting more popular. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpqDjX9iOn4p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Quoth Jos Silveira on Thursday, 11 November 2010: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org My muslins are staying where they are in the linen closet, and my jwishes are safe in the jwish jwawrer. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpiVlFzv1Vhx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
LMFAO! I wish I had caught that. My muslins, OTOH, are jwrapped around my photo studio. On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Jos Silveira on Thursday, 11 November 2010: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org My muslins are staying where they are in the linen closet, and my jwishes are safe in the jwish jwawrer. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Well, if nothing else this thread is proving to at least be good for a laugh! - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Thu Nov 11 19:09:34 2010 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? LMFAO! I wish I had caught that. My muslins, OTOH, are jwrapped around my photo studio. On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Jos Silveira on Thursday, 11 November 2010: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org My muslins are staying where they are in the linen closet, and my jwishes are safe in the jwish jwawrer. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 06:10:54PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:09, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
A GUI provids a _fixed_ set of predefined operations that it is possible to
perform.
IF your needs are met =entirely= by the provided operations, great. If not,
you're dead in the water, without any way to accomplish the task.
How is this different from the command line? If I have a set of data
and want to sort it in a way that sort doesn't have an argument for,
I'm just as dead in the water as with the GUI. In fact, with the GUI I
am probably better off because I can see that this is not supported
within the program, without having to use the documentation.
It is different in that multiple tools are easily chained together via
the Unix pipeline, whereas a single GUI has to encompass all of the
actions possible to perform at a single time, thus resulting in a far
more narrow set of limitations on what can reasonably be provided as
options. In fact, a set of CLI filters linked together by the Unix
pipeline (or even a DOS pipeline, at least in theory) is essentially
infinitely extensible to provide surprising levels of automation
customizability that might astonish the earlier creators of some of the
older tools being used, while an extension system for a GUI application
necessarily has to predefine what is possible, and obfuscates the inner
workings of the extended application behind designs that are largely
opaque to the user.
GUIs are great for the casual user, because they provide a consistent
'lookfeel'
acrross the spectrum of apps available under them, and, _generally_ what you
learn from using one application 'generalizes' to any other app that runs
under
the same GUI.
OTOH, a GUI is the worst thing in the world for 'production' use. It
absolutely
_kills_ productivity for production tasks. Automation for productivity
_REQUIRES_
a complete/comprehensive command language.
With a command language, you can 'automate' a series of operations by simply
listing the commands in a file, and feeding that file to the
command-processor
input.
With a GUI there is no way to describe the series of mouse
'motions'/'clicks'/
'double-clicks'/'drags' and keypresses required to perform an operation.
'screen coordinates' are meaningless when a window, or icon, or button, may
be
'repositioned' at will.
An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command
language,
but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it doesn't
'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any other
app)
*AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves more
than
the single app.
The CLI doesn't generalize either. How many ways are there to get
input into a program?
You might be surprised by how many different ways of getting data into a
program can be accomplished with a simple Perl idiom like this:
while () {
}
It gets pretty generalized in a hurry.
On the other hand, 99% of GUI apps that handle files have a File
Open dialog that is provided via a toolkit and works the same
everywhere.
. . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very specific,
and non-general.
Years ago, I worked at a place that, among other things, produced a
reference
manual of statistical data for our cusotmers. About 800 pages of tabular
data,
practically all of it updated on a staggered, monthly basis. In the 'early'
days (MS-DOS vintage, before 'windows'), each table was kept in a separate
spreadsheet, which _did_ require the redundant entry of a _small_ amount of
the data. OTOH two (or more) differnt people could be updatdin different
paes
simultaneously, regardless of whether or not they were 'related'. And, at
the end of the week, when it was time to send out the weeks 'updates' to the
customers, we had a simple little '.BAT file, each line of which; (a)
invoked
the spreadsheet (b) specified the spreadsheet file to use, and (c) invoked
a 'start-up macro' that printed the contents of the spreadseet, and exited
the program. Thus, on 'publication' day it was just type in the name of the
'.BAT file and everthing got printed. It took an hour or two -- of
_machine_time_
that is, but _zero_ human intervention.
Fast forward a few years, a new-hire analyist (in a senior capacity) felt
humiliated at having to use this 'old' technology (they had Windows at his
prior employer), and made a big enough stink about it that the shop upgraded
to Windows just to keep him happy. He proceeds to bundle all 'his'
spreadsheets
into a single workbook, so that only one person can be working on any of
them
at any given time, and, on 'publication day', somebody had to sit there and
click on each relevant/changed sheet in the workbook, click on' file',
click
on print,
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: PLEASE let's not rehash this again!!! I'm only sending the link to the haloed (sp?) daemon now because I wish I had last time but f'd it up. I'm done now . . . I just thought that those who are offended by evil daemons would appreciate the holy ones. - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu Nov 11 18:50:00 2010 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Is this better? (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 06:09:15PM +, Bruce Cran wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:17 -0800 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: However, for automating repeated tasks (as distinguished from running automated tests of the GUI itself), scripting a GUI is the wrong way to do it. It's layering on an entirely unnecessary layer of abstraction (the UI), and then working around it. This is why at least on Windows there's often a C/COM/.NET API that allows the same level of control that the GUI provides, so that customers can automate tasks. It's too bad such APIs require so much more knowledge, and present so much more of a barrier to entry for automating tasks, than a simpler CLI filter's interface provides via something like the Unix pipeline. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp6dzyueAeqZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
-- Forwarded message -- From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com Date: 2010/11/11 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Is this better? (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira Oh shit... here we go again! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com Date: 2010/11/11 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! First, please don't top-post. Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap once again. Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave. 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Is this better? (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com Date: 2010/11/11 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! First, please don't top-post. Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap once again. Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave. I hear ya . . . I'm done . . . I was just messin' around ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
He was forwarding and José top-posted on a private response. And I will top-post til the day I die. :) On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com Date: 2010/11/11 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! First, please don't top-post. Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap once again. Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave. 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Is this better? (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
hello all. Some times during the year this kind of threads generates a lot more answers and immediate responses like any other I like it! it makes me laugh and makes forget some real problems thanks a lot! Jorge Biquez At 07:16 p.m. 11/11/2010, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well, if nothing else this thread is proving to at least be good for a laugh! - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Thu Nov 11 19:09:34 2010 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? LMFAO! I wish I had caught that. My muslins, OTOH, are jwrapped around my photo studio. On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Jos Silveira on Thursday, 11 November 2010: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org My muslins are staying where they are in the linen closet, and my jwishes are safe in the jwish jwawrer. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Routing issue?
I'm trying to get the other half of my business up on my second IP. It's not routing. This is not a multi-homed system, but two IPs in the same subnet. [r...@server /usr/home/ryan]# netstat -nr Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs Use Netif Expire default70.89.123.6UGS 7 1090em0 70.89.123.0/29 link#1 U 2 837em0 70.89.123.4link#2 UHS 0 25lo0 70.89.123.5link#1 UHS 00lo0 127.0.0.1 link#5 UH 0 863lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#5U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#5UHS lo0 ff01:5::/32 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 ifconfig_em0=inet 70.89.123.5 netmask 255.255.255.248 ifconfig_em1=inet 70.89.123.4 netmask 255.255.255.248 defaultrouter=70.89.123.6 hostname=se**.somehtingelse.biz I tried to add the gateway for link2 but it's not taking since it already exists, and I've run multiple IP'd servers before without issue. I'm really lost.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
AR5212 woes
Hi everyone I have an Atheros wifi card that is giving me some headaches. It's supposed to be an AR5212-based card, and is detected as such, dmesg on 8.1-RELEASE says: ath0: Atheros 5212 mem 0xa001-0xa001 irq 11 at device 14.0 on pci0 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: AR5212 mac 5.6 RF5111 phy 4.1 However, when I try to bring it up, no joy: # ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0 wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:04:e2:a1:ee:a2 # ifconfig wlan0 up ath0: ath_chan_set: unable to reset channel 1 (2412 MHz, flags 0x480),hal status 3 And it continuously sends messages similar to the last one until I reboot. I noticed that on the chipset it is written AR5212A, could it be a newer revision that is incompatible with the driver? Google hasn't been of much help. Thanks Firas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Routing issue?
What exactly isn't working? You don't have two L3 nets, but two ips on the same net - nothing to route, except the default. - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Free BSD Questions list freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu Nov 11 21:41:40 2010 Subject: Routing issue? I'm trying to get the other half of my business up on my second IP. It's not routing. This is not a multi-homed system, but two IPs in the same subnet. [r...@server /usr/home/ryan]# netstat -nr Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs Use Netif Expire default70.89.123.6UGS 7 1090em0 70.89.123.0/29 link#1 U 2 837em0 70.89.123.4link#2 UHS 0 25lo0 70.89.123.5link#1 UHS 00lo0 127.0.0.1 link#5 UH 0 863lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#5U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#5UHS lo0 ff01:5::/32 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 ifconfig_em0=inet 70.89.123.5 netmask 255.255.255.248 ifconfig_em1=inet 70.89.123.4 netmask 255.255.255.248 defaultrouter=70.89.123.6 hostname=se**.somehtingelse.biz I tried to add the gateway for link2 but it's not taking since it already exists, and I've run multiple IP'd servers before without issue. I'm really lost.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: He was forwarding and José top-posted on a private response. And I will top-post til the day I die. :) Please follow list expectations, if you don't like it find another list. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#ETIQUETTE-REPLYING -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
{Solved} Re: Routing issue?
It didn't work until I bridged the connections. [r...@server /usr/home/ryan]# ifconfig bridge create bridge0 [r...@server /usr/home/ryan]# ifconfig bridge0 bridge0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 0a:df:a2:b3:3e:96 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 0 ifcost 0 port 0 [r...@server /usr/home/ryan]# ifconfig bridge0 addm em0 addm em1 up On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: What exactly isn't working? You don't have two L3 nets, but two ips on the same net - nothing to route, except the default. - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Free BSD Questions list freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu Nov 11 21:41:40 2010 Subject: Routing issue? I'm trying to get the other half of my business up on my second IP. It's not routing. This is not a multi-homed system, but two IPs in the same subnet. [r...@server /usr/home/ryan]# netstat -nr Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs Use Netif Expire default70.89.123.6UGS 7 1090em0 70.89.123.0/29 link#1 U 2 837em0 70.89.123.4link#2 UHS 0 25lo0 70.89.123.5link#1 UHS 00lo0 127.0.0.1 link#5 UH 0 863lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#5U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#5UHS lo0 ff01:5::/32 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 ifconfig_em0=inet 70.89.123.5 netmask 255.255.255.248 ifconfig_em1=inet 70.89.123.4 netmask 255.255.255.248 defaultrouter=70.89.123.6 hostname=se**.somehtingelse.biz I tried to add the gateway for link2 but it's not taking since it already exists, and I've run multiple IP'd servers before without issue. I'm really lost.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: He was forwarding and José top-posted on a private response. And I will top-post til the day I die. :) Please follow list expectations, if you don't like it find another list. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#ETIQUETTE-REPLYING -- Adam Vande More Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It makes quick checking of email impossible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On 11/11/10 15:39, José Silveira wrote: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org And those are just a couple of the benefits! -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39:28PM +, José Silveira wrote: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Perhaps it is merely an effective booby trap to catch small-minded people who are too narrow in their thinking to consider doing something intelligent like search the Web, Wikipedia, or the mailing list archives for an answer to this question. It's not like it doesn't come up every damned six months. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpMleMMKEuDs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:40:03PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: He was forwarding and José top-posted on a private response. And I will top-post til the day I die. Hurry up. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpf10IDigm1c.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
Ryan == Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz writes: Ryan Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It Ryan makes quick checking of email impossible. Only when people don't properly trim... another necessary item in posting, whether top *or* bottom. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:06:51PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It makes quick checking of email impossible. Start a different mailing list, then, where the rule is top-posting. The fact you do not like answering in natural text order does not excuse you for behaving in an antisocial manner that violates list guidelines and cultural norms here at freebsd-questions. Of course, if you want have mailing lists that are conducive to very quick checking, you should probably choose a mailing list with less technical content. One of the reason top posting is considered harmful on lists like this is that it is not conducive to combining context with response. This approach is better for in-depth discussion; top-posting is better for IM-like responses that do not require any thought. If you prefer thoughtless discussion, go somewhere that is the norm. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpooLeDPbyld.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.comwrote: Ryan == Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz writes: Ryan Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It Ryan makes quick checking of email impossible. Only when people don't properly trim... another necessary item in posting, whether top *or* bottom. I thought I remembered this little gem: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-June/177810.html -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:19, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception of the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a given task. It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's tolerance for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. This is the kind of thinking that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say exactly what happened. Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in parallel, which is why I think the file format or whatever changed too, and that was really the problem. However, it still points out one of the biggest problems with the CLI - there is a barrier to entry in knowing what commands to run with what arguments to make everything work the way you want. File Print was easy for your office staff to figure out. The CLI equivalent apparently wasn't. That was not evident in the explanation of what happened. The explanation suggested nothing about the batch file in question being difficult to use (or figure out). From the sound of it, three instructions on a 3x5 card would have sufficed to ensure everybody knew what to do, except in the case of people who do not know how to operate a keyboard. My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to use, but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, that isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are probably solutions that are more native to the application). I think many here are underestimating the value of GUIs, because they have been running many of these traditional UNIX commands for years (or decades) and are also technically oriented enough that learning them in the first place wasn't a big deal. I think that GUIs are quite valuable when used where appropriate. I think that the rest of the time, people greatly exaggerate the value of the GUI, to the extent that they begin to think the CLI (as well as TUIs in general) has no value at all. I used to be one of those idiots, and there was a time when I would have been on your side of this little debate. That was almost fifteen years ago. Times change, and I grow in knowledge and experience. The end result is that I believe those who are competent to operate a computer professionally would benefit from learning how to use the command line for those tasks that are more efficiently performed without the GUI mediating the experience, at least for almost any task that is performed with any regularity at all. I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably not worthwhile. While you argue that it increases flexibility, which is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. I never read documentation for GUI programs - I jump right in and look through the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate and move on. -- Rob Farmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:24:01PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:40:03PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: He was forwarding and José top-posted on a private response. And I will top-post til the day I die. Hurry up. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] LOLOLOL; LMAO ah, [mumble]. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php An Open Letter to Stephen Hawking http://www.thought.org/#oL ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
On Nov 11, 2010, at 23:25, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:24:01PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:40:03PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: He was forwarding and José top-posted on a private response. And I will top-post til the day I die. Hurry up. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] LOLOLOL; LMAO ah, [mumble]. At least they can send me email :-)___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:21:51PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say exactly what happened. This is true, but I think you assumed some things that were not implied by the description of the situation, and that you missed or ignored other parts of the description, and thus leapt to conclusions about why decisions were made when those conclusions were not the most reasonable. Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in parallel, which is why I think the file format or whatever changed too, and that was really the problem. In this case, it was clearly stated that the guy combined everything into a single workbook so that only one person at a time could work on it. No, a GUI in general does not preclude people working on it, but most GUI programs do, especially when everything's tied together in a single document (for some definition of document) as was done in this case. Thus, the person's desire to use a particular GUI setup resulted in a process that precluded multiple people working on it at the same time. My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to use, but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, that isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are probably solutions that are more native to the application). Yes, it was easy to use but no longer working when the entire process was changed and file formats were altered for no reason other than to start using a particular piece of software -- and to avoid using anything else. Usually, when someone changes a process for the express purpose of using nothing but the tools for the new process, the tools for the old process are out by definition, regardless of whether they're GUI tools. My point, though, was that your statement that this anecdote somehow proves that CLI tools are difficult to use was totally unsupported by the explanation of what happened. I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably not worthwhile. While you argue that it increases flexibility, which is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. I never read documentation for GUI programs - I jump right in and look through the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate and move on. . . . or fail to notice that the program might actually be adequate because you did not bother to press F11. It sounds like in some respects we're violently agreeing with each other. On one hand, I think that CLI programs can be great for frequent tasks, especially if you have something like the Unix pipeline at your disposal to automate complex tasks, and that GUIs have some discoverability advantages; on the other hand, you think that GUI programs can be great for cases where someone does not want to take the time to learn a better way to do something, perhaps because he does not perform the tasks very often, but if you do something often enough it might make sense to learn a more efficient CLI-based way to do it. Another difference in our apparent approaches to this is that I think it's a good idea to favor CLI tools when at all reasonable to do so, while you seem to think it's a good idea to favor GUI tools when at all reasonable to do so. We agree on the extremes, but not in the middle, in other words. I just wish that we could agree without it feeling like you're trying to convince people they shouldn't ever bother learning how to use CLI tools unless they absolutely have to. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpI6ieYVORUU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GPT Question
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 336, Issue 9, Message: 23 On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:45:19 -0600 Derek Funk dfu...@cox.net wrote: On 11/10/2010 9:34 PM, Mark Caudill wrote: [..] just ran `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad12 bs=512` and let it run. That must have done the trick because I was then able to partition the disk in sysinstall and all is well. What I'm wondering is what really went on here? I'm not clear at all as to why FreeBSD (or some mechanism within this installation) isn't able to handle this. Or was this a GPT issue at all? I'd like to find out what was going on so that I don't chase my tail again on issues like this in the future. Thanks. My understanding is, if you are using FreeBSD 8.x, sysinstall / fdisk will not write disk partitions. gpart is used now. Your understanding is incorrect. In 8.x you MAY use gpart now, but sysinstall (when running as init from a booted installation medium) still slices and partitions disks fine, and sysinstall - or sade(8) - (when run as a utility from a working system) will indeed write to the boot sectors including MBR, and will happily slice and partition disk/s other than the boot slice, if and only if you have previously set sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 - not called the 'foot-shooting' bit for nothing - so don't forget to set it back to 0 when you've finished. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
