Re: portmaster --list-origins question

2011-12-30 Thread Scott Bennett
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:44:57 +0100 Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Did I misunderstand something about the --list-origins opti= on? =C2=A0Or have I run into a bug? =C2=A0Any

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Da Rock
On 12/30/11 16:39, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:43:16 -0500, David Jackson wrote: However, My finding is that due to poor documentation, [...] That kind of statement doesn't fit well to FreeBSD which is known for its excellent documentation, often considered superior to other open

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 30/12/2011 11:52, Da Rock wrote: I haven't looked, but it would be good to have some irc channels handled by the team though. http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:39:58 +0100 Polytropon articulated: However, there are differences in how you judge documentation to be _good_. Talk to a mainframer, and he will tell you a different story. Then talk to a Windows person and explain what documentation is, and he'll tell you that you

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Da Rock
On 12/30/11 22:15, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:39:58 +0100 Polytropon articulated: However, there are differences in how you judge documentation to be _good_. Talk to a mainframer, and he will tell you a different story. Then talk to a Windows person and explain what documentation is,

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Da Rock
On 12/30/11 22:11, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 30/12/2011 11:52, Da Rock wrote: I haven't looked, but it would be good to have some irc channels handled by the team though. http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels Ha! There you go... I've only just been finding out about the value of irc in the

Re: Why do I feel like compact flash is more reliable than SSD ?

2011-12-30 Thread Roland Smith
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:13:24PM -0800, UFS User wrote: I have run a lot of different FreeBSD systems off (fileservers, firewalls, routers, etc.) off of compact flash cards[1] and have never had a CF part fail. Most of these were read-only mode, but some of them were left mounted 'rw'

Re. Why do I feel like compact flash is more reliable than SSD ?

2011-12-30 Thread herbert langhans
The same here - I use a Sandisk Compact Flash with 8GB on my Thinkpad. The thing runs the whole day and I didnt notice any failure (using NetBSD). With a simple adapter card it formats and works like an ata-disk. Reading is quite fast! A good combination for stationary computers might be to

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:15:00 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:39:58 +0100 Polytropon articulated: However, there are differences in how you judge documentation to be _good_. Talk to a mainframer, and he will tell you a different story. Then talk to a Windows person and explain

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:35:46 +1000 Da Rock articulated: Was this really necessary to post to the list? Publicly? Opinions are your own, but this does appear rather vindictive and not really wanted on a friendly list. For reference Polytropon has been rather helpful many times on this list

Re: Why do I feel like compact flash is more reliable than SSD ?

2011-12-30 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:13 AM, UFS User ufs.u...@yahoo.com wrote: I have run a lot of different FreeBSD systems off (fileservers, firewalls, routers, etc.) off of compact flash cards[1] and have never had a CF part fail. Most of these were read-only mode, but some of them were left mounted

Re: Why do I feel like compact flash is more reliable than SSD ?

2011-12-30 Thread Da Rock
On 12/30/11 22:41, Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:13:24PM -0800, UFS User wrote: I have run a lot of different FreeBSD systems off (fileservers, firewalls, routers, etc.) off of compact flash cards[1] and have never had a CF part fail. Most of these were read-only mode, but

Re: Same version on binary packages and updated ports

2011-12-30 Thread RW
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:53:25 +0100 Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: I really appreciate that you all, Jerry, Polytropon and Chuck, took your time to answer me. But I think some of you understood paragraphs like individual-separated statements, that's why you did not fully understand my

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:05:10 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:35:46 +1000 Da Rock articulated: Was this really necessary to post to the list? Publicly? Opinions are your own, but this does appear rather vindictive and not really wanted on a friendly list. For reference

Re: Why do I feel like compact flash is more reliable than SSD ?

2011-12-30 Thread RW
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:13:24 -0800 (PST) UFS User wrote: Most of these were read-only mode, but some of them were left mounted 'rw' for years (with no swapping, of course).  The bottom line is, they never failed, and some were (and are) in the field for over 8 years now. So is this just

Re: Same version on binary packages and updated ports

2011-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:14:35 +, RW wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:53:25 +0100 Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: I really appreciate that you all, Jerry, Polytropon and Chuck, took your time to answer me. But I think some of you understood paragraphs like individual-separated

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Da Rock
On 12/30/11 23:05, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:35:46 +1000 Da Rock articulated: Was this really necessary to post to the list? Publicly? Opinions are your own, but this does appear rather vindictive and not really wanted on a friendly list. For reference Polytropon has been rather

D-VFS: coming soon?

2011-12-30 Thread R Skinner
I just stumbled on this on my way to another issue. Is there any support on this in FreeBSD yet? I know its only new, but just checking... Its run by the freedesktop developers and is using an MIT license, I believe its supposed to run parallel to Xorg and negate opposing APIs by providing a

Re: Same version on binary packages and updated ports

2011-12-30 Thread Walter Alejandro Iglesias
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 01:14:35PM +, RW wrote: If it's for a production server, you might consider building your own packages on a separate machine. My principal interest is server side. The true is, a year ago, I gave a try to a server (a web server) in a VPS and the only two things I

Re: Same version on binary packages and updated ports

2011-12-30 Thread RW
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:31:17 +0100 Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:14:35 +, RW wrote: One strategy is to use csup to only update the port tree to release tags and so use successive release packages as you update the base system. You need to check portaudit for

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:22:30 +0100 Polytropon articulated: From man iwn: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965/1000/5000/5150/5300/6000/6050 IEEE 802.11n driver So they actually got support for one such device. I refer you to

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread David Jackson
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.comwrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Dec 29 21:46:36 2011 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:43:16 -0500 From: David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Kernel

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Jason Lenthe
On 12/30/11 09:59, Jerry wrote: If FreeBSD really wanted to make a quality product they would hire competent programmers to create the drivers, etcetera that are seriously needed. They do. See this for a list of FreeBSD Foundation funded projects that have been completed:

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:59:14 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:22:30 +0100 Polytropon articulated: From man iwn: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965/1000/5000/5150/5300/6000/6050 IEEE 802.11n driver So they actually got support for one such device. I refer you to

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:22:31 -0500, David Jackson wrote: Of course, those best able to document are those who wrote it in the first place, since they already know how it works. A fact seems to be: Modern programmers don't bother with documenting, or coding guidelines, or style or other things

SSL/TLS suddenly stopped working for postfix

2011-12-30 Thread Mark
My apologies for the cross-posting but I believe it is relevant. I have been running postfix for 8+ months without problems. Recently ( a week or two) I had a user complain that he could no longer send. It appears that postfix is no longer accepting SSL/TLS connections. STARTTLS is

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread doug
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:22:31 -0500, David Jackson wrote: Of course, those best able to document are those who wrote it in the first place, since they already know how it works. A fact seems to be: Modern programmers don't bother with documenting, or

re0 + high load CPU, some tests

2011-12-30 Thread Коньков Евгений
if this is interesting for anyone. looks strange: irq256 - WAIT and ng_queue - sleep are they wait each other? last pid: 70764; load averages: 69.14, 48.87, 26.25 up 9+03:32:40 21:01:21 197 processes: 101 running, 82 sleeping, 14 waiting CPU: 14.2% user, 0.0%

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread David Jackson
Again, as we did discuss (and agree upon) before, supporting FreeBSD is not in the scope of hardware manufacturers. Supporting more than the platform they get aliments for simply wouldn't pay. The unit sales for _this_ world of IT are simply to low to justify the work. That is the chicken

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:56:59 -0500, David Jackson wrote: Again, as we did discuss (and agree upon) before, supporting FreeBSD is not in the scope of hardware manufacturers. Supporting more than the platform they get aliments for simply wouldn't pay. The unit sales for _this_ world of

Re: Why do I feel like compact flash is more reliable than SSD ?

2011-12-30 Thread UFS User
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:13 AM, UFS User ufs.u...@yahoo.com wrote: But everyone I know (including me) has had an SSD fail, usually with no explanation. So is this just chance, or ... are CF cards really a lot more reliable than SSD ? The following pages , and references in them , may be

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2011-12-30 Thread Robert Bonomi
David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrte: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.comwrote: David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrte: ... However, My finding is that due to poor documentation, ... [ sneck remaineder of ill-informed trolling ] Start with The Design and Implementation

Re: SSL/TLS suddenly stopped working for postfix

2011-12-30 Thread Matt Mullins
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Mark m...@msen.com wrote: My apologies for the cross-posting but I believe it is relevant. That's still typically frowned upon, IMHO.    I have been running postfix for 8+ months without problems.  Recently ( a week or two) I had a user complain that he could

how to chdir permanently

2011-12-30 Thread Gary Kline
if i put in a chdir(VBCPATH) before my speech stuff, how long will the chdir() let me remain in that directory? my directory for my tts gtk application is hidden away in ~/.VBC for now, and the binary has to be in that directory. all of the text files are there. tx for

Re: how to chdir permanently

2011-12-30 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011, Gary Kline wrote: if i put in a chdir(VBCPATH) before my speech stuff, how long will the chdir() let me remain in that directory? my directory for my tts gtk application is hidden away in ~/.VBC for now, and the binary has to be in that directory. all of the

how to tell if a text1.text file has been written to disk?

2011-12-30 Thread Gary Kline
i'm using gvim for now. the person with impaired speech types Say: hi, i'm jon and i'm hear to give you some background on virtue ethics. Or whatever. the gvim editor has been spawned. i must wait until the user is finished typing--ESC]:[Enter].then my espeak | aplay speech code

why newline scape sequence does not work in Freebsd's bash

2011-12-30 Thread Edward Martinez
Hello, Why the scape sequence; newline (\n) does not work in FreeBSD's bash, However, it works both in Linux and Solaris bash? For instance, when i type something basic using the newline scape sequence in FreeBSD bash i get this: $ FRUIT_BASKET=apple oranges pears $ echo My

Re: why newline scape sequence does not work in Freebsd's bash

2011-12-30 Thread Любомир Григоров
try with the -e flag: $ FRUIT_BASKET=apples oranges pears $ echo -e 'My fruit basket contains: \n $FRUIT_BASKET' My fruit basket contains: $FRUIT_BASKET Why the scape sequence; newline (\n) does not work in FreeBSD's bash, However, it works both in Linux and Solaris bash? -- Lyubomir

Re: why newline scape sequence does not work in Freebsd's bash

2011-12-30 Thread Любомир Григоров
I used ' singe quotes, so double quotes is: $ FRUIT_BASKET=apples oranges pears $ echo -e My fruit basket contains: \n $FRUIT_BASKET My fruit basket contains: apples oranges pears На 30 декември 2011, 17:04, Любомир Григоров nm.kn...@gmail.com написа: try with the -e flag: $

Re: why newline scape sequence does not work in Freebsd's bash

2011-12-30 Thread Edward Martinez
On 12/30/11 17:06, Любомир Григоров wrote: I used ' singe quotes, so double quotes is: $ FRUIT_BASKET=apples oranges pears $ echo -e My fruit basket contains: \n $FRUIT_BASKET My fruit basket contains: apples oranges pears Thanks for the help, it worked. I find it interesting that

reduce partition size. HELP

2011-12-30 Thread Коньков Евгений
Hi, Freebsd-questions. Is there any way to reduce partition size on live system? server is reachable only by ssh. I need to reduce /usr to 300G /dev/ad0s1f1.8T188G1.4T11%/usr -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru

Re: why newline scape sequence does not work in Freebsd's bash

2011-12-30 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 06:47:45PM -0800, Edward Martinez wrote: On 12/30/11 17:06, ??? wrote: I used ' singe quotes, so double quotes is: $ FRUIT_BASKET=apples oranges pears $ echo -e My fruit basket contains: \n $FRUIT_BASKET My fruit basket contains: apples oranges

reduce partition size. HELP

2011-12-30 Thread Robert Huff
=?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= writes: Is there any way to reduce partition size on live system? No. Basic steps: 0) go to single-user; unmount partition 1) backup affected partition; test backup 2) delete old partition 3) create

Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2

2011-12-30 Thread leeoliveshackelford
Good evening, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am a newcomer, and have installed FreeBSD 8.2 on a Hewlett-Packard xw4400. After many hours of frustration, I am tearing my hair out. I want my system to include an M-Audio Delta 1010LT sound card, MIDI over USB driver, X-windows, and Gnome. The

Re: why newline scape sequence does not work in Freebsd's bash

2011-12-30 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Dec 31), Erik Trulsson said: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 06:47:45PM -0800, Edward Martinez wrote: On 12/30/11 17:06, ??? wrote: I used ' singe quotes, so double quotes is: $ FRUIT_BASKET=apples oranges pears $ echo -e My fruit basket contains: \n

Single user mode exits unexpectedly

2011-12-30 Thread Janos Dohanics
I have just rebuilt world and kernel according to the Handbook, installed the new kernel, rebooted, logged in, issued sudo shutdown now - the machine entered single user mode, then immediately exited without any intervention by me and continued to boot into multiuser mode. Here is a snippet from

Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2

2011-12-30 Thread Da Rock
On 12/31/11 14:45, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: Good evening, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am a newcomer, and have installed FreeBSD 8.2 on a Hewlett-Packard xw4400. After many hours of frustration, I am tearing my hair out. I want my system to include an M-Audio Delta 1010LT sound