port to package amd64 to i386

2012-03-05 Thread Bernt Hansson

Hello list

I want to build packages from ports on AMD64 for use on i386
since the i386 system is;


pid 21629 (cc1plus), uid 0, was killed: out of swap space

When building firefox.

Added some swap as a file so it's building as I type.

Thinking that the AMD system I can access is a wee more powerfull
than the i386, I was thinking in the line of;

Build the port on amd64 and install it on i386 as a package.

Is it possible? Pointers? Handholding? How-to?

This is the i386;

FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011
r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz (2524.94-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = GenuineIntel  Id = 0xf27  Family = f  Model = 2  Stepping 
= 7 
Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE

Features2=0x400CNXT-ID
real memory  = 537395200 (512 MB)
avail memory = 498135040 (475 MB)


This is the amd64;

FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 12 15:13:06 CET 2012 
user@fqdn:/usr/home/user/disk8/obj/usr/home/user/disk8/src/sys/GENERIC amd64

Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor (3013.63-MHz K8-class CPU)
  Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x100f63  Family = 10  Model = 6 
Stepping = 3


Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
Features2=0x802009SSE3,MON,CX16,POPCNT
AMD 
Features=0xee500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,Page1GB,RDTSCP,LM,3DNow!+,3DNow!
AMD 
Features2=0x37ffLAHF,CMP,SVM,ExtAPIC,CR8,ABM,SSE4A,MAS,Prefetch,OSVW,IBS,SKINIT,WDT

TSC: P-state invariant
real memory  = 17179869184 (16384 MB)
avail memory = 16523640832 (15758 MB)
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Re: port to package amd64 to i386

2012-03-05 Thread Edward M.

On 03/05/2012 12:42 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Build the port on amd64 and install it on i386 as a package.

Is it possible? Pointers? Handholding? How-to? 




http://filipenf.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/cross-compiling-for-x86-in-freebsd-64-bit/

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Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?

2012-03-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote:
 That's also an obligation to test it.
 PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on
 them.

 PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them
 a private company.

No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems.  They do an awful lot
in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products.  While
PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project
founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD.  Click on the
'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org
site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support.

Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404 page.

Cheers,

Matthew

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on purpose or forgotten ? hardcoded compiler in basesystem-makefiles

2012-03-05 Thread Dr. A. Haakh

a quick search revealed following usages:

FreeBSD abaton.Haakh.de 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Wed Feb 29 
13:49:36 CET 2012 t...@abaton.haakh.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ABATON  i386


ah@abaton:~$ find /usr/src/ -name Makefile\* -exec egrep 
'^[[:blank:]]+[gc+]{2,3}[[:blank:]]+..' {} \; -print
cc -D__dead2= -D__unused= -Darc4random=random 
-D__FBSDID=static const char *id= -DDEFSHELLNAME=\sh\ -I. -c *.c

cc *.o -o pmake
/usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.dist
gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC)  Makefile.tmp
/usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/cluster_labs/Makefile
gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC)  Makefile.tmp
/usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/zencod/Makefile
gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC)  Makefile.tmp
/usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/ibmca/Makefile
cc -I../../include divtest.c -o divtest ../../libcrypto.a
cc -g -I../../include bnbug.c -o bnbug ../../libcrypto.a
gcc -I../../include -g2 -ggdb -o exptest exptest.c ../../libcrypto.a
gcc -I.. -g div.c ../../libcrypto.a
/usr/src/crypto/openssl/crypto/bn/Makefile
cc -g -I../../include -c test.c
cc -g -I../../include -o test test.o -L../.. -lcrypto
cc -g -I../../include -c pk.c
cc -g -I../../include -o pk pk.o -L../.. -lcrypto
/usr/src/crypto/openssl/crypto/asn1/Makefile
gcc -o ${.TARGET} ${_f} -lrt
/usr/src/tools/test/dtrace/Makefile
c++ -o $@ $ -lpthread
/usr/src/tools/regression/pthread/unwind/Makefile
gcc -c -o elftls.o ${.CURDIR}/elftls.S
gcc -c -o tls-test.o ${.CURDIR}/tls-test-lib.c
gcc $(CFLAGS) -rdynamic -o ttls3 ${.CURDIR}/tls-test.c
/usr/src/tools/regression/tls/ttls3/Makefile
gcc -Wall -o accf_data_attach accf_data_attach.c
/usr/src/tools/regression/sockets/accf_data_attach/Makefile
gcc $(LDFLAGS) $(DLL_LN_OPTS) ./lib/$*$(DLL_TAG).lib \
gcc $(LDFLAGS) $(DLL_LN_OPTS) ./lib/$*$(DLL_TAG).lib \
/usr/src/contrib/ncurses/Makefile.os2
g++ -c $(ALL_CFLAGS) $(ALL_CPPFLAGS) $ $(OUTPUT_OPTION)
g++ -o $@ paranoia.o real.o $(LIBIBERTY)
/usr/src/contrib/gcc/Makefile.in
gcc -o asyncwatch asyncwatch.c ${CFLAGS}
gcc -o devinfo devinfo.c ${CFLAGS}
gcc -o device_list device_list.c  ${CFLAGS}
gcc -o rc_pingpong rc_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS}
gcc -o srq_pingpong srq_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS}
gcc -o uc_pingpong uc_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS}
gcc -o ud_pingpong ud_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS}
/usr/src/contrib/ofed/libibverbs/examples/Makefile
cc -E $$i |\
/usr/src/contrib/libreadline/examples/rlfe/Makefile.in
cc -o test ${.CURDIR}/test.c -lrpcsvc
/usr/src/usr.sbin/rpc.lockd/Makefile
cc -o test test.c -lrpcsvc
/usr/src/usr.sbin/rpc.statd/Makefile
gcc -g -DSPARC_XXX ${MUL} -o ${.TARGET}
gcc -g -DSPARC_XXX ${DIVREM} -o ${.TARGET}
/usr/src/lib/libc/quad/TESTS/Makefile
cc ${CFLAGS} -static tst01.o -o tst01 libdisk.a
/usr/src/lib/libdisk/Makefile
gcc -g3 msgring.lex.c msgring.yacc.c -o msgring
/usr/src/sys/mips/rmi/Makefile.msgring

ah@abaton:~$ find /usr/src/ -name Makefile\* -exec egrep 
'^[[:blank:]]+cpp[[:blank:]]+..' {} \; -print

cpp -DOVLY_IRQ_SAVE $(srcdir)/emultempl/spu_ovl.S spu_ovl.s
/usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/Makefile.in
cpp -DOVLY_IRQ_SAVE $(srcdir)/emultempl/spu_ovl.S spu_ovl.s
/usr/src/contrib/binutils/ld/Makefile.am

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Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?

2012-03-05 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:15 +
Matthew Seaman articulated:

 No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems.  They do an awful
 lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products.  While
 PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project
 founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD.  Click on
 the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the
 pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for
 support.
 
 Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404
 page.

Nothing instills confidence in a potential client like a broken
Support page with the possible exception of calling a telephone
number and finding it has been disconnected.

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Re: on purpose or forgotten ? hardcoded compiler in basesystem-makefiles

2012-03-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 05/03/2012 10:12, Dr. A. Haakh wrote:
 a quick search revealed following usages:

Some of the instances you've found are legitimate, some are in upstream
code in contributed software -- the FreeBSD build process may not even
use the Makefiles concerned.  But, yes on the whole, I think you're on
to something that needs fixing here.

 FreeBSD abaton.Haakh.de 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Wed Feb 29
 13:49:36 CET 2012 t...@abaton.haakh.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ABATON 
 i386
 
 ah@abaton:~$ find /usr/src/ -name Makefile\* -exec egrep
 '^[[:blank:]]+[gc+]{2,3}[[:blank:]]+..' {} \; -print

[...]

 /usr/src/usr.bin/make/Makefile.dist
 gcc -M $(CFLAGS) $(SRC)  Makefile.tmp

Although it doesn't seem to appear in the clang(1) man page, clang
supports the -M flag:

lucid-nonsense:/tmp:# clang -M hello.c
hello.o: hello.c /usr/include/stdio.h /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h \
  /usr/include/sys/_null.h /usr/include/sys/_types.h \
  /usr/include/machine/_types.h

No need for this sort of construct to be gcc specific.

 /usr/src/tools/test/dtrace/Makefile
 c++ -o $@ $ -lpthread

Not sure about this -- the intent may be to test the default system
compiler -- as of this last weekend you can install clang(1) as
/usr/bin/cc in stable/9, so this isn't necessarily gcc specific.

 /usr/src/tools/regression/pthread/unwind/Makefile
 gcc -c -o elftls.o ${.CURDIR}/elftls.S
 gcc -c -o tls-test.o ${.CURDIR}/tls-test-lib.c
 gcc $(CFLAGS) -rdynamic -o ttls3 ${.CURDIR}/tls-test.c

Whereas this looks like an oversight to me.

 /usr/src/crypto/openssl/demos/engines/ibmca/Makefile
 cc -I../../include divtest.c -o divtest ../../libcrypto.a
 cc -g -I../../include bnbug.c -o bnbug ../../libcrypto.a
 gcc -I../../include -g2 -ggdb -o exptest exptest.c ../../libcrypto.a
 gcc -I.. -g div.c ../../libcrypto.a

/usr/src/crypto holds raw sources imported from upstream; hard-coded
compiler names here is a problem the openssl project should address.

 /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/Makefile.os2
 g++ -c $(ALL_CFLAGS) $(ALL_CPPFLAGS) $ $(OUTPUT_OPTION)
 g++ -o $@ paranoia.o real.o $(LIBIBERTY)

Ditto /usr/src/contrib -- raw upstream sources.

 /usr/src/contrib/gcc/Makefile.in
 gcc -o asyncwatch asyncwatch.c ${CFLAGS}
 gcc -o devinfo devinfo.c ${CFLAGS}
 gcc -o device_list device_list.c  ${CFLAGS}
 gcc -o rc_pingpong rc_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS}
 gcc -o srq_pingpong srq_pingpong.c pingpong.c ${CFLAGS}

... although gcc being hardwired in the gcc sources is probably
intentional and quite legitimate.

I suggest that you repost your question on freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org,
as that will bring it to the attention of the people both interested in
and capable of addressing this sort of problem.  Submitting a PR
wouldn't go amiss either.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?

2012-03-05 Thread Da Rock

On 03/05/12 19:52, Matthew Seaman wrote:

On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote:

That's also an obligation to test it.
PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on
them.

PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them
a private company.

No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems.  They do an awful lot
in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products.  While
PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project
founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD.  Click on the
'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org
site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support.
Yes, but that is sponsorship. That doesn't make it a company. They don't 
own it.


Unlike Oracle with MySQL, Java, and VBox... Or Citrix and Xen...
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Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)

2012-03-05 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire [2].

 There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world
 (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few
 users).

 The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on
 installation (if the relevant files are accessible).  Please read the
 installation messages for further information.

 Regards,

 David

 [1]
  MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) =
 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a
  MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) =
 a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b
 [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64
 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh



For any x.exe :

wine x.exe

is generating the following error :

err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\ ...
path ... \\x.exe failed ,
status c017

where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct )

in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64


Thank you very much .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)

2012-03-05 Thread David Naylor
On 5 March 2012 13:41, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire [2].

 There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world
 (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few
 users).

 The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run
 on
 installation (if the relevant files are accessible).  Please read the
 installation messages for further information.

 Regards,

 David

 [1]
  MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) =
 91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a
  MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) =
 a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b
 [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64
 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh



 For any x.exe :

 wine x.exe

 is generating the following error :

 err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\ ... path
 ... \\x.exe failed ,
 status c017

Please include the full error message, also could you please try running
those apps in a clean wine prefix.

 where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct )

 in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64

I will try reproduce this when I get $HOME.

Regards
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nsswitch and unavailable backends

2012-03-05 Thread Eugene M. Zheganin

Hi.

I'm trying to set up LDAP user authentication. I use bet/nss_ldap and 
security/pam_ldap ports to do this.
I'm doing this following the article from the documentation set. Though 
it's not that complete and misses some very important stuff, I've 
actually set up the LDAP installations and my users are able to 
successfully authenticate and log in on my servers.


Then I ran into some serious issue. :) When the LDAP server if 
off/unavailable, users cannot log in - I mean, even the local users.


nsswitch.conf:

group: files ldap
hosts: files dns
networks: files
passwd: files ldap
shells: files
services: files
protocols: files
rpc: files

If I remove ldap - all is fine, of course, besides the fact that this 
breaks the LDAP authentication.
I've read the nsswitch manual and saw that I can handle the unavailable 
LDAP server with some action flags, but the default action is 'continue' 
already. I also tried the [notfound=return unavail=return 
tryagain=return] mantra (it's harmless to try since it's the last 
backup) but this didn't work either.


sshd crashes with signal 11, crond does the same. Sad.

On a machine running LDAP server the situation is even funnier: the LDAP 
server, even having a local account to work under, still tries to query 
himself on start, making the startup impossible.


Can this situation be solved ?
Right now I remove 'ldap' backend, start the slapd, add ldap backends 
again and so on.


Thanks.
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Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?

2012-03-05 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:15 +
Matthew Seaman articulated:

 On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote:
  That's also an obligation to test it.
  PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is
  on them.
 
  PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling
  them a private company.
 
 No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems.  They do an awful
 lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products.  While
 PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project
 founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD.  Click on
 the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the
 pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for
 support.
 
 Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404
 page.

Matthew, is this the URL for iXsystems http://www.ixsystems.com/
that you are referring to?

I was examining their company page:
http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/about/our-company and they seem quite
impressive. Also, the support page URL for PC-BSD:
http://www.ixsystems.com/quote-request is now apparently working.

Obviously, the above is based on the belief that I am referring to the
correct entity to begin with.

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Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)

2012-03-05 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 5 March 2012 13:41, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6 have been uploaded to mediafire
 [2].
 
  There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled
 world
  (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few
  users).
 
  The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run
  on
  installation (if the relevant files are accessible).  Please read the
  installation messages for further information.
 
  Regards,
 
  David
 
  [1]
   MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.tbz) =
  91bc2288130c25704c9f1ac9d2923a6a
   MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc6,1.txz) =
  a57b6fed2401375562931f3516e1d50b
  [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64
  [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh
 
 
 
  For any x.exe :
 
  wine x.exe
 
  is generating the following error :
 
  err: module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for LF:\\ ...
 path
  ... \\x.exe failed ,
  status c017

 Please include the full error message, also could you please try running
 those apps in a clean wine prefix.



# pwd
/root/APPLY/PROGRAMS


# ls -l

-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5491200 Feb 17 22:27 x.exe

# wine x.exe

err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for
LF:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe failed , status c017

--

The whole message is listed above .
Desktop environment is KDE4 .
Execution is attempted in Konsole Terminal .
In GNOME Terminal in KDE4 , the error message is the same .

I could not understand the phrase :


in a clean wine prefix .

-



  where x.exe is in the current directory ( path is correct )
 
  in FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 ... GENERIC amd64

 I will try reproduce this when I get $HOME.

 Regards



Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?

2012-03-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 05/03/2012 12:10, Jerry wrote:
 Matthew, is this the URL for iXsystems http://www.ixsystems.com/
 that you are referring to?

Yep.  That's the company.

 I was examining their company page:
 http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/about/our-company and they seem quite
 impressive. Also, the support page URL for PC-BSD:
 http://www.ixsystems.com/quote-request is now apparently working.

Ah -- no.  The page I was referring to is:

http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/support/software/pc-bsd-support

which is still 404.  It's linked to from here:

http://www.pcbsd.org/index.php?option=com_zootask=categorycategory_id=85Itemid=62

(bottom of that page)

and also also from the PC-PSD pulldown in the menubar at the top of the
front page of the site.  I did report this through their website, but
it's early yet in California, so they won't have had a chance to fix it yet.

 Obviously, the above is based on the belief that I am referring to the
 correct entity to begin with.

Right company, wrong web page.

Cheers,

Matthew

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semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Robert Huff

With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

is correctly described by:

10.0.0.32/27

Anyone?  Please?


Robert Huff

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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
On Monday 05 March 2012 9:30:01 am Robert Huff wrote:
   With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

   10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

   is correctly described by:

   10.0.0.32/27

   Anyone?  Please?


   Robert Huff

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Correct.

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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Julien Cigar

jcigar@dev ~ % ipcalc 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63
deaggregate 10.0.0.32 - 10.0.0.63
10.0.0.32/27

(net-mgmt/ipcalc)

On 03/05/2012 15:30, Robert Huff wrote:

With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

is correctly described by:

10.0.0.32/27

Anyone?  Please?


Robert Huff

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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
On Monday 05 March 2012 9:30:01 am Robert Huff wrote:
   With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

   10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

   is correctly described by:

   10.0.0.32/27

   Anyone?  Please?


   Robert Huff

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Robert,

Sent to you directly, as I can't get to the fbsd list.

Your CIDR is correct.

Best,

Dimitri

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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Paul Macdonald

On 05/03/2012 14:30, Robert Huff wrote:

With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

is correctly described by:

10.0.0.32/27

Anyone?  Please?


Robert Huff

i cheated a bit but looks good
http://jodies.de/ipcalc?host=10.0.0.32mask1=27mask2=


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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Chris Knipe
Yes.

cknipe@amnesiac ~ $ ipcalc 10.0.0.32/27
Address:   10.0.0.321010...001 0
Netmask:   255.255.255.224 = 27 ...111 0
Wildcard:  0.0.0.31 ...000 1
=
Network:   10.0.0.32/27 1010...001 0
HostMin:   10.0.0.331010...001 1
HostMax:   10.0.0.621010...001 0
Broadcast: 10.0.0.631010...001 1
Hosts/Net: 30Class A, Private Internet



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        With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

        10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

        is correctly described by:

        10.0.0.32/27

        Anyone?  Please?


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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Duane Hill
On Monday, March 05, 2012 at 14:30:01 UTC, roberth...@rcn.com confabulated:


 With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

 10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

 is correctly described by:

 10.0.0.32/27

 Anyone?  Please?

I use the online IP calculator all the time:

http://jodies.de/ipcalc?host=10.0.0.32mask1=27mask2=

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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Tim Kellers

On 03/05/12 09:30, Robert Huff wrote:

With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

is correctly described by:

10.0.0.32/27

Anyone?  Please?


Robert Huff

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   Network = 10.0.0.32
Usable IPs = 10.0.0.33 to 10.0.0.62 for 30
 Broadcast = 10.0.0.63
   Netmask = 255.255.255.224
Wildcard Mask = 0.0.0.31



Looks pretty good to me.

Tim Kellers

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Re: port to package amd64 to i386

2012-03-05 Thread Bernt Hansson



2012-03-05 10:20, Edward M. skrev:

On 03/05/2012 12:42 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Build the port on amd64 and install it on i386 as a package.

Is it possible? Pointers? Handholding? How-to?



http://filipenf.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/cross-compiling-for-x86-in-freebsd-64-bit/


Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails 
and such, just to build a few ports. I was thinking more along the line of;


cd /usr/ports/random port

make it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way 
build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well


Oh man, man ports. But I do not find the flag 
-build-for-another-system-cpu-whatever


Can the ports system be (ab)used in that way?
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Re: port to package amd64 to i386

2012-03-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 05/03/2012 16:42, Bernt Hansson wrote:
 
 Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails
 and such, just to build a few ports. I was thinking more along the line of;
 
 cd /usr/ports/random port
 
 make it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way
 build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well
 
 Oh man, man ports. But I do not find the flag
 -build-for-another-system-cpu-whatever
 
 Can the ports system be (ab)used in that way?

In general, no.  There may be some ports that you could cross-compile,
but that depends on the upstream software having support for cross
compilation (basically allowing --target foo into the compilation
flags.) Even if you fix that you're going to run into difficulties as
soon as you try and compile a port that depends on shared libraries from
another port.  I don't think there's any mechanism for installing 32-bit
shlibs into ${LOCALBASE}/lib32 from packages.

Oh, and making packages is potentially a mine field, as you need to
install the port in order to package it.

About the only way to cross-build ports is to set up a 32-bit jail on a
64-bit host.  I believe that is do-able, but I could be delusional.

Cheers,

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Re: port to package amd64 to i386

2012-03-05 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:42:58 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
 Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails 
 and such, just to build a few ports.

The problem here is that a specific build environment
is required.



 I was thinking more along the line of;
 
 cd /usr/ports/random port
 
 make it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way 
 build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well

Again, a problem is that packages can only be generated
if the port has been installed, which is the make package
task typically following make install, resulting in the
desired package in the /usr/ports/packages/ subtree. See
man ports regarding the package target. I think that
_could_ be overridden by specifying a different, temporary
$PREFIX to install to, but I haven't tested this approach.

For the dependencies, I think there was a setting to be
included in /etc/make.conf... MAKE_DEPENDS=PACKAGE? Something
like this will cause all dependencies to be built and
archived as a package.



 Oh man, man ports. But I do not find the flag 
 -build-for-another-system-cpu-whatever

Some settings can be transferred to the make environment,
usually /etc/make.conf is used.



 Can the ports system be (ab)used in that way?

I don't think it is that easy. :-(


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Re: sysinstall

2012-03-05 Thread David Walker
Nikola Pavlović nzp at riseup.net
 OK, here goes: (in Nelson Muntz's voice) Haha, you clown, that's what
 you get for believing what documentation says.  Use a magnetized needle
 and a steady hand you buffoon!

 There.  I respect! :)

Well played.

It's a serious issue for me after 15 years of Windows on the desktop
to change environment to FreeBSD.
I've reached this point after lengthy deliberation with the intent to
change once only.

While I consider it disappointing and surprising that man pages are
suspect (no doubt most are accurate) the bottom line is the community
response which includes man page writers and you and me.
Well played there too.

Disregarding any hiccups, I'm running FreeBSD on my main machine, I've
installed X11 and Gnome and it works better than I could have
envisoned - the first video I went to on YouTube played ... roll on
HTML5 ... sound works ...

Fix my tv card and I'll shut up. :]

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Re: port to package amd64 to i386

2012-03-05 Thread Chris Whitehouse

On 05/03/2012 16:53, Matthew Seaman wrote:

On 05/03/2012 16:42, Bernt Hansson wrote:


Thank you for the pointer. I do find it a bit overkill to setup jails
and such, just to build a few ports. I was thinking more along the line of;

cd /usr/ports/random port

make it for i386 even if we are building it on amd64, ooh by the way
build it as a package, and all dependencies as packages as well




About the only way to cross-build ports is to set up a 32-bit jail on a
64-bit host.  I believe that is do-able, but I could be delusional.


Could you do it in a tinderbox? This thread

http://www.marcuscom.com/pipermail/tinderbox-list/2011-June/002177.html

discusses it a bit with a possible solution. Things have probably moved 
on since then which may or may not help.


Chris

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Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)

2012-03-05 Thread David Naylor
On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor 
naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:
  Please include the full error message, also could you please try running
  those apps in a clean wine prefix.
 
 # pwd
 /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS
 
 # wine x.exe
 
 err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for
 LF:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe failed , status c017

I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to.  The 
programs that I tested work without error.  

I was expecting more output from wine...  Please see below about using a clean 
wine prefix.  Do you use the nvidia graphics driver?  If so please run (as 
root), and provide the output:
# sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh

If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at 
bugs.winehq.org.  


 I could not understand the phrase :
 
 in a clean wine prefix .

To run a program in a clean wine prefix do:
env WINEPREFIX=/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe

You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs.  

Good luck


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Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)

2012-03-05 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Naylor naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
  On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor
 naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:
   Please include the full error message, also could you please try
 running
   those apps in a clean wine prefix.
 
  # pwd
  /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS
 
  # wine x.exe
 
  err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for
  LF:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe failed , status c017

 I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to.  The
 programs that I tested work without error.


This means that there are additional parts in your system which they do not
exist here .
Such parts are not added by pkg_add wine-fbsd64 ... .
I do not have any idea about which parts may be missing .



 I was expecting more output from wine...  Please see below about using a
 clean
 wine prefix.  Do you use the nvidia graphics driver?  If so please run (as
 root), and provide the output:
 # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh



There is NO nvidia grphics driver . It is Intel DG965WH main board with its
integrated graphics driver .



 If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at
 bugs.winehq.org.


  I could not understand the phrase :
 
  in a clean wine prefix .

 To run a program in a clean wine prefix do:
 env WINEPREFIX=/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe


This is NOT changing the error message . Only drive become Z: .




 You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs.

 Good luck



winetricks could NOT be found .



I tried wine which is added by

pkg_add -r wine

from packages

in FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE i386 as it is installed .


On the same programs , the message is the same with amd64 message .



Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: sysinstall

2012-03-05 Thread Da Rock

On 03/06/12 05:23, David Walker wrote:

Nikola Pavlović nzp at riseup.net

OK, here goes: (in Nelson Muntz's voice) Haha, you clown, that's what
you get for believing what documentation says.  Use a magnetized needle
and a steady hand you buffoon!
There.  I respect! :)

Well played.

It's a serious issue for me after 15 years of Windows on the desktop
to change environment to FreeBSD.
I've reached this point after lengthy deliberation with the intent to
change once only.

While I consider it disappointing and surprising that man pages are
suspect (no doubt most are accurate) the bottom line is the community
response which includes man page writers and you and me.
Well played there too.

Disregarding any hiccups, I'm running FreeBSD on my main machine, I've
installed X11 and Gnome and it works better than I could have
envisoned - the first video I went to on YouTube played ... roll on
HTML5 ... sound works ...

Fix my tv card and I'll shut up. :]

What tv card? Mine work fine
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Re: USB Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision (mic problem SOLVED)

2012-03-05 Thread sean

I just managed to get the mic working built into the camera.
I followed the Sound steps below that are included in pkg-message and 
that did the trick.
Hopefully these notes will help others having mic problems with the 
Logitech camera.


NOTE: Just before I followed the below steps I did recompile my kernel 
to include snd_hda support.

After I finished that task I did try Skype and it did not work.
I mention this just in case if someone is troubleshooting such a problem 
and snd_hda might be needed.


Thanks to all the helped,
Sean


2. Sound

Since the OSS interface was removed, Skype now uses linux-alsa compat 
packages.
By default you get one device corresponding to your default OSS dsp 
device (so

Skype will use it for ringing, incoming voice and mic). If that doesn't suit
needs, you can map the other dsp devices for example by editing
/compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf. You need to (re)start Skype 
after you

edit this file in order to get Skype pick up the changes.
Adding the following to the stock file, and then starting Skype and choosing
in Options--Sound Devices:   Speakers: oss1
will let you use the second dsp (usually the front panel connectors for your
headphones, while still hearing the call ringing and other notification 
on the

first dsp device (presumably the one you connect your speakers to).
pcm.oss1 {
type oss
device /dev/dsp1
hint {
description Open Sound System
}
}

ctl.oss1 {
type oss
device /dev/mixer1
hint {
description Open Sound System
}
}


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Re: USB Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision (mic problem SOLVED)

2012-03-05 Thread Da Rock

On 03/06/12 11:46, sean wrote:

I just managed to get the mic working built into the camera.
I followed the Sound steps below that are included in pkg-message and 
that did the trick.
Hopefully these notes will help others having mic problems with the 
Logitech camera.


NOTE: Just before I followed the below steps I did recompile my kernel 
to include snd_hda support.

After I finished that task I did try Skype and it did not work.
I mention this just in case if someone is troubleshooting such a 
problem and snd_hda might be needed.


Thanks to all the helped,
Sean


2. Sound

Since the OSS interface was removed, Skype now uses linux-alsa compat 
packages.
By default you get one device corresponding to your default OSS dsp 
device (so
Skype will use it for ringing, incoming voice and mic). If that 
doesn't suit

needs, you can map the other dsp devices for example by editing
/compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf. You need to (re)start Skype 
after you

edit this file in order to get Skype pick up the changes.
Adding the following to the stock file, and then starting Skype and 
choosing

in Options--Sound Devices:   Speakers: oss1
will let you use the second dsp (usually the front panel connectors 
for your
headphones, while still hearing the call ringing and other 
notification on the

first dsp device (presumably the one you connect your speakers to).
pcm.oss1 {
type oss
device /dev/dsp1
hint {
description Open Sound System
}
}

ctl.oss1 {
type oss
device /dev/mixer1
hint {
description Open Sound System
}
}

Alsa was the death of me in linux - a real PITA. That and selinux...

Such a hack to get anything with alsa to work; I thought even linux had 
given up on it?

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Re: semi OT: correct CIDR block?

2012-03-05 Thread Michael Sierchio
ipsc, from packages or ports, is very useful.

 ipsc -gch 10.0.0.32/27
Network class:A
Network mask: 255.0.0.0
Network mask (hex):   FF00
Network address:  10.0.0.32
Subnet bits:  19
Max subnets:  524288
Full subnet mask: 255.255.255.224
Full subnet mask (hex):   FFE0
Host bits:5
Hosts per subnet: 32
Bit map:  ...sssh

IP address:   10.0.0.32
Hexadecimal IP address:   A20
Address allocation range: 10.0.0.32  - 10.0.0.63
Full subnet mask: 255.255.255.224
Subnet mask:  0.255.255.224
Subnet ID:0.0.0.32
Network ID:   10.0.0.0
Host ID:  0.0.0.32

Cisco Wildcard:   0.0.0.31
CIDR notation:10.0.0.0  /27
Route/Mask:   10.0.0.0   / 255.255.255.224
Hexadecimal route/mask:   A00/ FFE0
Supernet max: 0

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Tim Kellers wall...@smsdesign.org wrote:

 On 03/05/12 09:30, Robert Huff wrote:

With my brain still on EBADSLEEP, I cannot decide if:

10.0.0.32-10.0.0.63

is correctly described by:

10.0.0.32/27

Anyone?  Please?


Robert Huff

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   Network = 10.0.0.32
 Usable IPs = 10.0.0.33 to 10.0.0.62 for 30
  Broadcast = 10.0.0.63
   Netmask = 255.255.255.224
 Wildcard Mask = 0.0.0.31



 Looks pretty good to me.

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Needs GSOC project idea guide.

2012-03-05 Thread Tiwari Punit
Hello,
I, Punit Tiwari, pursing final year BE(IT) student.

Final year project Game Engine:
Project Description:

 Platform

Java

Application Framework

Javafx 2.0

Database

DB2

Game Type

2D RPG Game

User

Any (knows to use computer)

Prsently, this game engine build 2d games like mario, countra, for the user
who doesn't knows programming language.

Please, suggest is this project can be given for GSOC, if not plz suggest
me some project idea.

Thank you,
Punit Tiwari
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Re: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc6 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD)

2012-03-05 Thread David Naylor
On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 00:01:48 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David Naylor 
naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:
  On Monday, 5 March 2012 14:17:51 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
   On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Naylor
  
  naylor.b.da...@gmail.comwrote:
Please include the full error message, also could you please try
  
  running
  
those apps in a clean wine prefix.
   
   # pwd
   /root/APPLY/PROGRAMS
   
   # wine x.exe
   
   err : module : LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for
   LF:\\APPLY\\PROGRAMS\\x.exe failed , status c017
  
  I have tried to reproduce the error on my side but was unable to.  The
  programs that I tested work without error.
 
 This means that there are additional parts in your system which they do not
 exist here .
 Such parts are not added by pkg_add wine-fbsd64 ... .
 I do not have any idea about which parts may be missing .

It could also mean there are extra components on your computer that are 
interfering however using a clean wine prefix (as mentioned below) has ruled 
that out.  

  I was expecting more output from wine...  Please see below about using a
  clean
  wine prefix.  Do you use the nvidia graphics driver?  If so please run
  (as root), and provide the output:
  # sh /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh
 
 There is NO nvidia grphics driver . It is Intel DG965WH main board with its
 integrated graphics driver .

That eliminates my only other idea.  

  If nothing fixes your problem then please submit a bug report at
  bugs.winehq.org.
  
   I could not understand the phrase :
   
   in a clean wine prefix .
  
  To run a program in a clean wine prefix do:
  env WINEPREFIX=/tmp/tmp_wine_prefix wine x.exe
 
 This is NOT changing the error message . Only drive become Z: .

As mentioned above, eliminates possible extra components causing interference.  

  You may need to use winetricks to install some support programs.
  
  Good luck
 
 winetricks could NOT be found .

Please see http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks for details about winetricks.  

 I tried wine which is added by
 
 pkg_add -r wine
 
 from packages
 
 in FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE i386 as it is installed .
 
 On the same programs , the message is the same with amd64 message .

To clarify: you tried running the program under an i386 installation of 
FreeBSD and wine gave you the same problem?  

Also, has a previous version of wine ever worked for your program?  Could you 
try installing an older version of wine (the mediafire page contains wine 
releases going back to 1.3.16).  

Regards


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Re: Is it worthy upgrading to 9.0 ?

2012-03-05 Thread Allen
On 2/28/2012 3:03 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
 This is an entirely subjective question and one that only you can answer.
 
 For example, given the number of problem reports I'm seeing on the
 lists, I'm going to stick with the 8-STABLE branch for still a long
 time, likely until 9.1 or 9.2-RELEASE.

I don't think it's a good idea to let what you see on a mailing list be
your end all be all of what you use... This isn't an insult or anything,
but I've seen some pretty damn stupid people who try to install stuff
into Swap And that isn't even close to the stupidest thing I've ever
seen on a list. Trust me, the best way to figure out of you personally
would benefit from upgrading, is doing it yourself.

I use and read these lists, and I admit, sometimes, it's for
entertainment value, but again, I've also received more than my share of
help from people who DO know WTF they're doing.

It doesn't cost you more than a CD or DVD, so why not just download 9
and try it out? I have every version of FreeBSD I've ever downloaded, or
paid for, starting with 4.0 back in 2000 or so, and I am now running 9.0
on my main FreeBSD machine, and PC-BSD 8.2 on a Desktop, and PC-BSD 9 on
my Laptop. I've had NO issues with any of them.

So for whatever it's worth to you; I am using FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE, and I
like it.

-Allen
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