ls-F tcsh built-in command

2012-05-17 Thread fake fake
BSD's 'ls' seems to support only ANSI colors, so I want to use 'ls-F'
instead. (which supports ISO 6429 colors)
'ls-F' colors directories beautifully. But 'ls-F -l' does not, at all.
Is this designed, or am I doing something wrong?
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Re: Building FreeBSD to install or update in two DESTDIRs

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Polytropon:

 In case you need to do more than one additional installation,
 you should consider creating a tar archive of the fully installed
 system and then use tar --unlink to the mounted target. If you
 need to create many bootable systems from scratch, a script
 performing the disklabel, newfs, mount and tar steps should
 be easy to write.

I don't want more than one additional installation, and might do that one only 
once.

But if I wanted to create many bootable systems from scratch, I could create an 
installation image, ISO or memstick.

  Subsequently I would also want to build for i386, but this
  would be after the amd64 build and installation/update.

 In case you're creating different TARGET= architectures,
 the fun doubles. :-)

I think only one build machine is used to create FreeBSD snapshots?  You can 
'make universe'?

I guess the fun more than doubles when I try to create a NetBSD installation 
cross-building from FreeBSD, or a Cross-Linux-from-Scratch.

Consider that NetBSD has been unstable on my new computer even with a binary 
installation.

  It would be nice if bsdinstall had an option for update as
  well as fresh install.

 This step can easily be performed manually using freebsd-update
 right after installation.

I think freebsd-update is for a binary upgrade from the freebsd.org servers?

Tom
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KPPP

2012-05-17 Thread Peter Barnes
Hi Everyone,

I would like to use BSD but I use KPPP to connect to my ISP. Is anyone working 
on KPPP to include it with BSD? According to Distrowatch no BSD O/S's have KPPP

Regards

Peter
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Filesystem dump incremental?

2012-05-17 Thread Matthias Petermann

Hello,

currently I am experiencing something confusing. Some hours ago I did a 
level 0 dump with the following command:


dump -a -0 -f /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.0.dump /

This results in a quite big dump file. After changing a couple of files, 
I tried to do another dump. This time as level 1. My expectation was 
that the resulting dump would only contain the files which changed since 
the level 0 dump.


dump -a -1 -f /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /

To my surprise this seems to generate another full dump instead of 
incremental.


What did I miss or what mistake do I make?

The filesystem is mounted with the following options: ufs, local, 
journaled soft-updates


Regards,
Matthias


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Re: ls-F tcsh built-in command

2012-05-17 Thread Bernt Hansson

2012-05-17 08:12, fake fake skrev:

BSD's 'ls' seems to support only ANSI colors, so I want to use 'ls-F'
instead. (which supports ISO 6429 colors)
'ls-F' colors directories beautifully. But 'ls-F -l' does not, at all.
Is this designed, or am I doing something wrong?


From ls manpage

-F
Display a slash (`/') immediately after each pathname that is a
directory, an asterisk (`*') after each that is executable,an at sign 
(`@') after each symbolic link, an equals sign (`=') after
each socket, a percent sign (`%') after each whiteout, and a vertical 
bar (`|') after each that is a FIFO.

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Re: ls-F tcsh built-in command

2012-05-17 Thread fake fake
Thank you for replying.
But I am telling 'ls-F' (tcsh built-in command), not 'ls -F'.

On 17 May 2012 20:19, Bernt Hansson b...@bananmonarki.se wrote:
 2012-05-17 08:12, fake fake skrev:

 BSD's 'ls' seems to support only ANSI colors, so I want to use 'ls-F'
 instead. (which supports ISO 6429 colors)
 'ls-F' colors directories beautifully. But 'ls-F -l' does not, at all.
 Is this designed, or am I doing something wrong?


 From ls manpage

 -F
 Display a slash (`/') immediately after each pathname that is a
 directory, an asterisk (`*') after each that is executable,an at sign (`@')
 after each symbolic link, an equals sign (`=') after
 each socket, a percent sign (`%') after each whiteout, and a vertical bar
 (`|') after each that is a FIFO.
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Re: KPPP

2012-05-17 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 17/05/2012 08:27, Peter Barnes wrote:
 I would like to use BSD but I use KPPP to connect to my ISP. Is
 anyone working on KPPP to include it with BSD? According to
 Distrowatch no BSD O/S's have KPPP

KPPP is just a KDE-based GUI wrapper around the OS provided PPP
functionality.  At a guess, the only reason it isn't available on
FreeBSD is that FreeBSD pppd uses different configuration syntax to
Linux, and no-one has yet written appropriate support.

However, it is perfectly possible to configure PPP on FreeBSD without
such aids.  As ever, the Handbook is your friend:


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ppp-and-slip.html

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Filesystem dump incremental?

2012-05-17 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 17/05/2012 12:49, Matthias Petermann wrote:
 currently I am experiencing something confusing. Some hours ago I did a
 level 0 dump with the following command:
 
 dump -a -0 -f /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.0.dump /
 
 This results in a quite big dump file. After changing a couple of files,
 I tried to do another dump. This time as level 1. My expectation was
 that the resulting dump would only contain the files which changed since
 the level 0 dump.
 
 dump -a -1 -f /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /
 
 To my surprise this seems to generate another full dump instead of
 incremental.
 
 What did I miss or what mistake do I make?

You need '-u' on tose command lines in order to record the dates of your
dumps, including your initial level 0 dump, in /etc/dumpdates.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Filesystem dump incremental?

2012-05-17 Thread Mike Clarke
On Thursday 17 May 2012, Matthias Petermann wrote:

 dump -a -1 -f /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /

Try a new full backup with

 dump -0aLuf /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /

then for the incremental use

 dump -1aLuf /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /

The option you're missing is u, but L is worth using as well when 
you're backing up a mounted filesystem.

You could hack the contents of /etc/dumpdates to avoid having to repeat 
the level zero dump if you know the date and time when the original one 
was started.

-- 
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Re: ls-F tcsh built-in command

2012-05-17 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:24:02 +0900, fake fake wrote:
 Thank you for replying.
 But I am telling 'ls-F' (tcsh built-in command), not 'ls -F'.

Please see man csh:

ls-F acts like `ls -CF', unless listflags contains
an `x', in which case it acts like `ls -xF'.  ls-F  passes  its
arguments  to  ls(1)  if it is given any switches, so `alias ls
ls-F' generally does the right thing.

So if you use ls-F -l, the C shell will _not_ use ls-F, but
call /bin/ls instead. So what you've been observing seems to
be the intended behaviour.


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Re: ls-F tcsh built-in command

2012-05-17 Thread fake fake
Oh, dear. I didn't notice it.
So, is there no way to color directory in ISO 6429 codes with using tcsh?


On 17 May 2012 21:54, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:24:02 +0900, fake fake wrote:
 Thank you for replying.
 But I am telling 'ls-F' (tcsh built-in command), not 'ls -F'.

 Please see man csh:

        ls-F acts like `ls -CF', unless listflags contains
        an `x', in which case it acts like `ls -xF'.  ls-F  passes  its
        arguments  to  ls(1)  if it is given any switches, so `alias ls
        ls-F' generally does the right thing.

 So if you use ls-F -l, the C shell will _not_ use ls-F, but
 call /bin/ls instead. So what you've been observing seems to
 be the intended behaviour.


 --
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Re: ls-F tcsh built-in command

2012-05-17 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:59:52 +0900, fake fake wrote:
 Oh, dear. I didn't notice it.
 So, is there no way to color directory in ISO 6429 codes with using tcsh?

Judging from man csh:

File  names  can also be colorized based on filename extension.
This is specified in the LS_COLORS variable  using  the  syntax
*ext=string.  For example, using ISO 6429 codes, to color all
C-language source files blue you would specify *.c=34.   This
would color all files ending in .c in blue (34) color.

[...]

If your terminal does use ISO 6429 color codes, you can compose

[...]

Not all commands will work on all systems or display devices.

It seems that the terminal emulator in use also plays an
important role.



Search for LS_COLORS in the environment variables section
of man csh. However, I've always been satisfied with using
$LSCOLORS as ExGxdxdxCxDxDxBxBxegeg. :-)



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Re: KPPP

2012-05-17 Thread RW
On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:37:49 +0200
Matthew Seaman wrote:

 On 17/05/2012 08:27, Peter Barnes wrote:
  I would like to use BSD but I use KPPP to connect to my ISP. Is
  anyone working on KPPP to include it with BSD? According to
  Distrowatch no BSD O/S's have KPPP
 
 KPPP is just a KDE-based GUI wrapper around the OS provided PPP
 functionality.  At a guess, the only reason it isn't available on
 FreeBSD is that FreeBSD pppd uses different configuration syntax to
 Linux, and no-one has yet written appropriate support.

It's because FreeBSD finally dropped pppd in 8-current, and KPPP doesn't
support user ppp.

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Network Cards Compatibility

2012-05-17 Thread Christian ROUSSEAU
Greetings,

  I would like to have a list of the free bsd compatible
network cards . Is it compatible with realtek chipset drivers. That comes
with most PC's? 

THx

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FW: Network Cards Compatibility

2012-05-17 Thread Christian ROUSSEAU

Greetings,

  I would like to have a list of the free bsd compatible
network cards . Is it compatible with realtek chipset drivers. That comes
with most PC's? 

THx

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Re: Network Cards Compatibility

2012-05-17 Thread Robert Bonomi

Christian ROUSSEAU christ...@comphaiti.com writes:

 Greetings,

   I would like to have a list of the free bsd compatible
 network cards.


You have my permission.   *grin*

See : http:/www.freebsd.org/releases/

Fint the O/S version you are interested in and select the 'Hardware Notes'
link.  Select the category of device you want to check, and peruse the
devices namd there.


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Re: Network Cards Compatibility

2012-05-17 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 17/05/2012 16:11, Christian ROUSSEAU wrote:
   I would like to have a list of the free bsd compatible
 network cards . Is it compatible with realtek chipset drivers. That comes
 with most PC's? 

Realtek cards generally use the re(4) driver:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=re

Note that the list of different network cards in that page is not
exhaustive: it's just some variants that are known to work.  Most cards
using one of the referenced chipsets should work.

Note 2: work in the context of realtek chipsets means that they will
work fine for personal usage levels.  Don't expect realtek NICs to be
able to drive your webserver continually pumping out several megabits
per second.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Filesystem dump incremental?

2012-05-17 Thread Matthias Petermann

Thanks Mike and Matthew,

the -u switch was what I missed. It now works fine.

Regards,
Matthias

On 17.05.2012 13:52, Mike Clarke wrote:

On Thursday 17 May 2012, Matthias Petermann wrote:


dump -a -1 -f /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /

Try a new full backup with

  dump -0aLuf /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /

then for the incremental use

  dump -1aLuf /mnt/da0/backup-compaq.1.dump /

The option you're missing is u, but L is worth using as well when
you're backing up a mounted filesystem.

You could hack the contents of /etc/dumpdates to avoid having to repeat
the level zero dump if you know the date and time when the original one
was started.



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Consult

2012-05-17 Thread Diego Nahuel Martinez
Hi team,
 
I would like to know if 8.2R of BSD supports IBM Power P5 processors.
So far I read below
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.2R/hardware.html#PROC-POWERPC
that there is some support but not sure which processor that is.
 
Regards,
 
Diego Martinez
 
 
 
Saludos,

Diego N. Martinez

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Re: Network Cards Compatibility

2012-05-17 Thread Daniel Feenberg


On Thu, 17 May 2012, Christian ROUSSEAU wrote:


Greetings,

 I would like to have a list of the free bsd compatible
network cards . Is it compatible with realtek chipset drivers. That comes
with most PC's?



Just guessing, you have to restrict yourself to a very limited selection?

You would do better to post a list of the cards available to you and ask 
what will work. I have purchased many very inexpensive ($10) NICs and 
never had a compatibility problem with whatever was the latest FreeBSD 
version available at the time, although very expensive cards, and very new 
motherboard with embedded NICs have sometimes not worked. Also, if you are 
running an older version of FreeBSD you may have more difficulties.


My cynical view is that the vendors of cheap cards don't bother to make
modifications to the reference design, so they remain compatible.

The official list of compatible NICs is sometimes difficult to reconcile 
with what is available in the local Micro-Center or Fry's, and I expect 
the situation is no better where you live.


  http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/hardware/support.html#ETHERNET

The Intel Pro/1000 is our current favorite card, but is $35. It supports 
PXE booting, which we do a lot.


Daniel Feenberg
NBER


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Re: Network Cards Compatibility

2012-05-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar

 I would like to have a list of the free bsd compatible
network cards . Is it compatible with realtek chipset drivers. That comes
with most PC's?


i think making list of incompatible network cards would be far easier.

since a very long time i just never checked as everything have a driver in 
FreeBSD. actually i only once seen card that FreeBSD had no driver.


fortunately ndisgen tool solved it. Of course using ndisgen and windows 
driver in anything else than home toy isn't good, but it was exactly home 
toyputer.

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Re: FreeBSD on the ASUS P8H67-M LGA1155 H67 motherboard

2012-05-17 Thread Shane Ambler

On 17/05/2012 14:31, Victor Sudakov wrote:


Thanks for the good news. Can you please show 'cat /dev/sndstat' and
what the kernel thinks about the NIC (is it the re(4) driver?)


cat /dev/sndstat
FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64)
Installed devices:
pcm0: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort (play)
pcm1: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #1 DisplayPort (play)
pcm2: HDA Realtek ALC887 PCM #0 Analog (play/rec) default
pcm3: HDA Realtek ALC887 PCM #1 Analog (play/rec)
pcm4: HDA Realtek ALC887 PCM #2 Digital (play)

dmesg

hdac0: HDA Codec #0: NVidia (Unknown)
pcm0: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #0 DisplayPort at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0
pcm1: HDA NVidia (Unknown) PCM #1 DisplayPort at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0
hdac1: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC887
pcm2: HDA Realtek ALC887 PCM #0 Analog at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1
pcm3: HDA Realtek ALC887 PCM #1 Analog at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1
pcm4: HDA Realtek ALC887 PCM #2 Digital at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1

re0: RealTek 8168/8111 B/C/CP/D/DP/E PCIe Gigabit Ethernet port 
0xd000-0xd0ff mem 0xf2104000-0xf2104fff,0xf210-0xf2103fff irq 18 at 
device 0.0 on pci4

re0: Using 1 MSI-X message
re0: Chip rev. 0x2c80
re0: MAC rev. 0x
miibus0: MII bus on re0
rgephy0: RTL8169S/8110S/8211 1000BASE-T media interface PHY 1 on miibus0
rgephy0:  none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 
100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 
1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 
1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow

re0: Ethernet address: 14:da:xx:xx:xx:xx


ifconfig
re0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500

options=389bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MCAST,WOL_MAGIC
ether 14:da:xx:xx:xx:xx
inet 192.168.xx.xx netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.xx.xx
inet6 fe80:::::%re0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
nd6 options=23PERFORMNUD,ACCEPT_RTADV,AUTO_LINKLOCAL
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
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FreeBSD Server

2012-05-17 Thread lpeth

FreeBSD
Dear Sirs;
I have a 8core, 32 GB ram server I built myself. AMD cpu, with 
Supermicro motherboard. I want to use FreeNAS as a database system, and 
I'm wondering what it will cost to use FreeBSD with FreeNAS. I see the 
Version I would like is $40 for a four CD set, but that does not mean I 
get to use the server version of it. What is the server version going  
to cost?

Sincerely,
Mark T. Evans
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Re: FreeBSD Server

2012-05-17 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi--

On May 17, 2012, at 10:22 AM, lpeth wrote:
 I have a 8core, 32 GB ram server I built myself. AMD cpu, with Supermicro 
 motherboard. I want to use FreeNAS as a database system, and I'm wondering 
 what it will cost to use FreeBSD with FreeNAS. I see the Version I would like 
 is $40 for a four CD set, but that does not mean I get to use the server 
 version of it. What is the server version going  to cost?

FreeBSD is intended as a server platform; there isn't a different consumer and 
server version, although you can tune the platform for specific tasks if you 
like.

FreeBSD CD/DVD images are freely available for download; see:

  http://www.freebsd.org/where.html
  ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/

FreeNAS is a modified version of FreeBSD, which comes preconfigured for ZFS and 
filesharing; as far as I can tell, their CD/DVD images are also freely 
available:

  
http://sourceforge.net/projects/freenas/files/FreeNAS-8.0.4/FreeNAS-8.0.4-RELEASE-p2-x64.iso/download

...but you can pay a publisher for a copy instead of downloading, if you prefer.

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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Re: FreeBSD Server

2012-05-17 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM, lpeth lp...@centurytel.net wrote:

 FreeBSD
 Dear Sirs;
 I have a 8core, 32 GB ram server I built myself. AMD cpu, with Supermicro
 motherboard. I want to use FreeNAS as a database system, and I'm wondering
 what it will cost to use FreeBSD with FreeNAS. I see the Version I would
 like is $40 for a four CD set, but that does not mean I get to use the
 server version of it. What is the server version going  to cost?
 Sincerely,
 Mark T. Evans



All of these are  without cost if you download and burn them to CD/DVD by
yourself :


http://www.freenas.org/
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.3/
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/


Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: FreeBSD Server

2012-05-17 Thread Daniel Feenberg



On Thu, 17 May 2012, lpeth wrote:


FreeBSD
Dear Sirs;
I have a 8core, 32 GB ram server I built myself. AMD cpu, with Supermicro 
motherboard. I want to use FreeNAS as a database system, and I'm wondering 
what it will cost to use FreeBSD with FreeNAS. I see the Version I would like 
is $40 for a four CD set, but that does not mean I get to use the server 
version of it. What is the server version going  to cost?

Sincerely,
Mark T. Evans



FreeNAS is effectively a FreeBSD distribution emphasizing storage. It 
is open source and free of cost:


  http://www.freenas.org/

The CDs are nice, but you can download an ISO also. iXSystems have 
TrueNAS, which is costly. My understanding is that FreeNAS is a subset of 
TrueNAS. See:


  http://www.ixsystems.com/storage/ix/truenas/

for more information.

Daniel Feenberg
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Re: FreeBSD Server

2012-05-17 Thread Dean E. Weimer

On 05/17/2012 15:29, Daniel Feenberg wrote:

On Thu, 17 May 2012, lpeth wrote:


FreeBSD
Dear Sirs;
I have a 8core, 32 GB ram server I built myself. AMD cpu, with 
Supermicro motherboard. I want to use FreeNAS as a database system, 
and I'm wondering what it will cost to use FreeBSD with FreeNAS. I see 
the Version I would like is $40 for a four CD set, but that does not 
mean I get to use the server version of it. What is the server version 
going  to cost?

Sincerely,
Mark T. Evans



FreeNAS is effectively a FreeBSD distribution emphasizing storage. It
is open source and free of cost:

  http://www.freenas.org/

The CDs are nice, but you can download an ISO also. iXSystems have
TrueNAS, which is costly. My understanding is that FreeNAS is a 
subset

of TrueNAS. See:

  http://www.ixsystems.com/storage/ix/truenas/

for more information.

Daniel Feenberg
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They also sell a FreeNAS for home / Small office installs that is vary 
reasonably priced, I have been hoping to have enough spare cash on hand 
this winter to buy one as an upgrade my existing FreeNAS box that was 
built form spare PC parts with a few new hard drives thrown in ever 
since I have noticed the new product on their website.


http://www.ixsystems.com/storage/ix/home-office-storage/freenas-mini.html

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 http://www.dweimer.net/
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Re: FreeBSD Server

2012-05-17 Thread Robert Bonomi

lpeth lp...@centurytel.net wrote:

 FreeBSD
 Dear Sirs;
 I have a 8core, 32 GB ram server I built myself. AMD cpu, with 
 Supermicro motherboard. I want to use FreeNAS as a database system, and 
 I'm wondering what it will cost to use FreeBSD with FreeNAS. I see the 
 Version I would like is $40 for a four CD set, but that does not mean I 
 get to use the server version of it. What is the server version going  
 to cost?

The current pricing for an unlimited server liense for FreeBSD is 27342.71 
Quatloos.  Payment may also be tendered in gold-presed latinum, albeit that
is subject to highly volatile exchange-rate fluctuations.

Having completed the licensing requirements, you can download a complete
installation, including source, from any of the mirror repositories, at
no additional cost. Or you can pay a third party a nominal fee (set by
mutual agreement between you and them) to have them make copies on the 
physical media of your choice.


Be advised the initial paragraph of this reply was first released precisely 
47 days ago.  The 'true answer' begins with 'you can...' in the 2nd para.


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FreeBSD X?

2012-05-17 Thread Vance Siemens
http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html
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Re: FreeBSD X?

2012-05-17 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of May 17, 2012 8:36:38 PM -0400, Vance Siemens is alleged to have 
said:



http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.ht


Um, wasn't April 1st *last* month?

Daniel T. Staal

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Re: FreeBSD X?

2012-05-17 Thread Adam Vande More
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote:

 --As of May 17, 2012 8:36:38 PM -0400, Vance Siemens is alleged to have
 said:

  http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/**05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-**
 apple-quality.hthttp://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.ht


 Um, wasn't April 1st *last* month?


Perhaps it's the author, it's at least some type of hey look at me! type
of behavior.

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2012-May/033580.html

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Re: FreeBSD X?

2012-05-17 Thread Edward M

On 05/17/2012 05:36 PM, Vance Siemens wrote:

http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html
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Screw this, I'm going over to Ubuntu.
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Re: FreeBSD X?

2012-05-17 Thread Colin Barnabas
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 08:36:38PM -0400, Vance Siemens wrote:
 http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html
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What a steaming pile of poo. How can anyone take this seriously?

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Re: FreeBSD X?

2012-05-17 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Colin Barnabas
colin.barna...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 08:36:38PM -0400, Vance Siemens wrote:
 http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html
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 What a steaming pile of poo. How can anyone take this seriously?


No one should. Taking into account the name Trollaxor, the comments,
etc, it is obviously
a blog made to provoke (in the good sense of the word).

Have a look at this other post:

http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/why-i-quit-openbsd.html

:)

 --
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