Re: OT: Robotics or embedded or hardware programming... what is this called?

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 420, Issue 10, Message: 17 On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:54:27 -0600 Modulok wrote: > Sorry for the off-topic post. There are a lot of technically adept people on > this list, so I thought I'd try my luck here: On recent volcanic form, this scarcely measures on the OT

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

Chad Perrin wrote: Someone in this extended discussion mentioned that there are efforts underway to make sure the base system will compile cleanly with both Clang and GCC 4.2+, so I think you're just making up complaints here. Someone (other than Wojciech Puchar, who would just be talking out of

Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

incapable of handling the 64GB drive. I do not have issues with USB it's not about capacity. But seems some quirks for that pendrive (which have buggy firmware) has to be added, as it doesn't respond for inquiry command. sorry i am not USB expert. umass1: on usbus7 (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:

Re: Why Clang

I would see a problem with that -- not because I don't think FreeBSD is worth it. I do, and I think it is worth more than that, in fact. The true. biggest problem with what you propose, though, is that it would destroy the social factors in development of the FreeBSD system that make it wha

Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

On Friday 22 June 2012 08:01:38 O. Hartmann wrote: > I have a USB drive/stick, Lexar USB Flash drive as reported by FreeBSD > shown below. > When first used, I was able to put approx. 30 GB of data on it - it was > visible to FreeBSD 9 and 10 as expected. > A Linux system at the lab was also capabl

Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:01 PM, O. Hartmann wrote: > I have a USB drive/stick, Lexar USB Flash drive as reported by FreeBSD > shown below. > When first used, I was able to put approx. 30 GB of data on it - it was > visible to FreeBSD 9 and 10 as expected. > A Linux system at the lab was also cap

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

OK, if you have 24 2-way mirrors and two drives in the same mirror fail then with UFS you lose the contents of that mirror. Other filesystems in the same box are fine. Restores from backups are going to be easy since the backups are probably arranged to be per-filesystem. true. i actually don't

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

This is a valid argument. Checksumming is used to detect cases where the disk or the disk controller return invalid data to the CPU. This can happen for any number of reasons and isn't that unlikely. "Unrecoverable read error" probabilities are high enough with common drives that you can reasonab

USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

I have a USB drive/stick, Lexar USB Flash drive as reported by FreeBSD shown below. When first used, I was able to put approx. 30 GB of data on it - it was visible to FreeBSD 9 and 10 as expected. A Linux system at the lab was also capable of recognizing it. After that, I tried to operate on the st

Re: Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

Hi, On Friday 22 June 2012 12:04:35 Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-06-22 06:50, Erich Dollansky skrev: > > On Friday 22 June 2012 11:18:01 Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> 2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev: > >>> we have feelings too!!! > >> > >> Ouch! Another "feeling" person. Can't you just s

Re: Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

2012-06-22 06:50, Erich Dollansky skrev: Hi, On Friday 22 June 2012 11:18:01 Bernt Hansson wrote: 2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev: we have feelings too!!! Ouch! Another "feeling" person. Can't you just stop this feeling stuff. do not forget the feelings regarding the devil.

Re: Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

Hi, On Friday 22 June 2012 11:18:01 Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev: > > we have feelings too!!! > > Ouch! Another "feeling" person. Can't you just stop this feeling stuff. > do not forget the feelings regarding the devil. Erich _

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 07:30:23PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion. > > > >Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC > > Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC. > > Polit

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 01:06:12PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. > >If FreeBSD appears > >as a subsidiary of some commercial company (say Juniper) i am not sure this > >will be good > > I think any project that size is

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:40:11AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: > Le 21 juin 2012 à 03:52, kpn...@pobox.com a écrit : > > > > > > All of this may seem stupid to a reasonable person outside of law. I'll > > agree > > that it probably does look stupid. But it is also the reality of the legal > > syst

Re: Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev: we have feelings too!!! Ouch! Another "feeling" person. Can't you just stop this feeling stuff. /sarcasm off ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/free

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 19:33, Mark Felder skrev: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:30:40 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: z> wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! Google "GPLv3 court case". There are no applicable results. Until

something wrong of ifconfig bridge0 addr - mac address appears on wrong interface

( untrust ) --- ( em0 , bridge0 , em1 ) --- ( trust ) Sometimes , I cannot connect to trust server from untrust. I log some information from ifconfig bridge0 addr. It seems some thing wrong of trust server's mac appear on em0. trust serv1's mac: 00:50:56:af:2e:43 trust serv2's mac: 00:50:56:af:7

Re: xrandr cropping my window

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, David Tilbrook wrote: Preamble: % cvt 1600 1280 # 1600x1280 59.92 Hz (CVT 2.05M4) hsync: 79.51 kHz; pclk: 171.75 MHz Modeline "1600x1280_60.00" 171.75 1600 1712 1880 2160 1280 1283 1290 1327 -hsync +vsync Running the following: xrandr --auto xrandr --newmode "1600x1280

xrandr cropping my window

Preamble: % cvt 1600 1280 # 1600x1280 59.92 Hz (CVT 2.05M4) hsync: 79.51 kHz; pclk: 171.75 MHz Modeline "1600x1280_60.00" 171.75 1600 1712 1880 2160 1280 1283 1290 1327 -hsync +vsync Running the following: xrandr --auto xrandr --newmode "1600x1280_60.00" 171.75 1600 1712 1880 2160 1280 128

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 06:11:46AM -0400, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Snippet from Antonio Olivares : > > > > I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under > > GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not > > giving back as the license requires. There was

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 05:50:24AM -0400, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Snippet from Wojciech Puchar : > > > > I successfully predicted the fall of linux (in quality point of view) > > years ago, then netbsd - after this and my prediction were good. > > > > Now i predict FreeBSD will fall within 2015 tim

Re: No surround sound with Creative SB Live! card

On 21/06/2012 05:55, Bernt Hansson wrote: 2012-06-18 20:27, David Demelier skrev: On 15/06/2012 13:25, Bernt Hansson wrote: On 2012-06-15 10:06, David Demelier wrote: On 15/06/2012 05:43, Edward M wrote: On 06/14/2012 09:03 AM, David Demelier wrote: I have an old SB Live! card with a 5.1 spe

Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Add second hard drive multi-boot

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:59:19 -0700 (PDT), leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: > Although the FreeBSD operating system seems to see the second > hard drive, it does not mount it upon startup. FreeBSD won't mount anything until explicitely told so. Check the output of dmesg (e. g. "dmesg | gre

Re: Problem with routing in VmWare VMS

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Problem with routing in VmWare VMS

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Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Add second hard drive multi-boot

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 09:59:19AM -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote: You need to put the FreeBSD boot manager on both disks. Use bootcfg. jerry > Good morning, FreeBSD enthusiasts. On my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation, > I had one hard drive. I partitioned it with two s

RE: A bash scripting question

> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of dte...@freebsd.org > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:57 PM > To: 'Odhiambo Washington' > Cc: 'questions' > Subject: RE: A bash scripting question > > > > > ---

RE: A bash scripting question

> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Devin Teske > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:24 AM > To: Odhiambo Washington > Cc: questions > Subject: Re: A bash scripting question > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

ZFS is technologically more advance than UFS/UFS2, so, if someone ask to me which filesystem should be use, my answer is ZFS. You can do on UFS the same on ZFS, but ZFS extend the functionality beyond "filesystem", that is a plus for IT today. I'm using ZFS for a public HTTP/FTP mirror pushing

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:25:22AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You > > i don't talk that case, but if i am hired to write some part of > program as an employer in software company. There are basically four circumstances that might apply he

Re: A bash scripting question

CyberLeo Kitsana wrote Odhiambo Washington: > By the way, what's gammu, /usr/ports/comms/gammu presumably ( for mobile phone connection ) > and why is it in /usr/bin ? Pass. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:33:40 -0500, Mark Felder wrote: > Google "GPLv3 court case". There are no applicable results. Until a Judge > decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk. > > As you've already been told it's not English it's Law I assume that there's not just one ca

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:14:54 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > the experimental development branch -HEAD, it _might_ happen that > > the system doesn't even compile, but updated 30 minutes after > > that "accident", it runs fine again. :-) > > > And finally unless doing tests or using privat

Re: A bash scripting question

On 06/21/2012 08:40 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > How Can I simplify/perfect the following script, so that I read _ALL_ the > lines in the file and act on the content as shown below, so that I do not > have to specifiy an action per line? > > This below is doing exactly what i need BUT reading

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 6/21/12 11:21 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" Only after you, my man

Re: Why Clang

On 6/21/12 10:30 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: z> wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! Logical fallacy -- looking for a non-existence proof. ___ freebsd-questions

Re: Why Clang

On Jun 21, 2012 11:23 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> >>> >> Additionally, the exceptions for using the GCC runtime library for non-GPL executables >> is limited to what hey call "eligible compilation processes", what rules out using >> proprietary GCC plugins or other combinations of core GCC fu

Re: Why Clang

So, has anyone compared the performance of clang vs gcc compiled in daily use-- for example as a server? Anyone can cherry pick a couple of binaries, but how important is this for the performance of FreeBSD world? not big, as with almost any compiler. Most workload are dominated by cache misse

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Stas Verberkt wrote: > Mark Felder schreef op 21-06-2012 19:28: > >> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:31 -0500, Wojciech Puchar >> wrote: >> >>> programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. >> >> >> This has not been decided in court yet. >> > Additionally, th

Re: Why Clang

Additionally, the exceptions for using the GCC runtime library for non-GPL executables is limited to what hey call "eligible compilation processes", what rules out using proprietary GCC plugins or other combinations of core GCC functionality with non-GPL tooling and extensions. Please note th

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" Only after you, my man, only after you. not yours. i'm not homose

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

21.06.2012 21:32, Wojciech Puchar пишет: >>> Agreed. Wojciech Puchar is in my 'probable troll' file at this point, >> >> Here too, http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists >> > very good. just block me, instead of performing aggresive replies and > personal attacks. > > > __

Re: Why Clang

Mark Felder schreef op 21-06-2012 19:28: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:31 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. Additionally, the exceptions for using the GCC runtime library for non-GPL executables is limi

Re: Why Clang

On 6/21/12 10:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: sources please! Google "GPLv3 court case". There are no applicable results. Until a Judge decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk. true. But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter to GNU "Fr

Re: Why Clang

On 06/21/2012 10:30, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion. >> >> Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC > > Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC. > > Politics won. > Excellent. W

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:36:03 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter to GNU "Free" Software Foundation asking for just that case? There needs to be a lawsuit and lawyers and judges need to be involved. You can't just ask the

Re: Why Clang

sources please! Google "GPLv3 court case". There are no applicable results. Until a Judge decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk. true. But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter to GNU "Free" Software Foundation asking for just that

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:30:40 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: z> wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! Google "GPLv3 court case". There are no applicable results. Until a Judge decides what the license

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

Agreed. Wojciech Puchar is in my 'probable troll' file at this point, Here too, http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists very good. just block me, instead of performing aggresive replies and personal attacks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.

Re: Why Clang

z> wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe,

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

Hi, On Thursday 21 June 2012 23:55:38 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:24:26 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar > > q) Is it possible to get native resolution on the console? I played > > with vesa and vidcontrol but could never get what I wan

Re: Why Clang

Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion. Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC. Politics won. ___ freebsd-questions@freeb

Re: Why Clang

they are not. programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. Programs that link to GPLv3 libraries are encumbered. you mean libgcc_s.so.1 and libstdc++? scanned /bin and /usr/bin and few programs do link it - all are C++ written. None IMHO are needed in closed-source system really

Re: Why Clang

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:31 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/fre

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

> Agreed. Wojciech Puchar is in my 'probable troll' file at this point, Here too, http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 06/21/2012 00:33, Hooman Fazaeli wrote: > Dear community > > In the past, I built a 8TB ZFS log server on freebsd 7.4. > However, the system experienced instablility after long up times. > My main motive to use ZFS was UFS inability to support large > file systems. > > Now, I want to the same t

Re: Why Clang

On 06/21/2012 10:08, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and >> maintenance staff and the money to pay for them comes from those >> commercial users. If FreeBSD cannot maintain the critical mass to >> continue, it will not continue. > > but why

Re: Why Clang

On 6/21/12 10:16 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: "We put clang because sponsors wanted it." Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3 they are not. programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. Programs that link to GPLv3 libraries are encumbered.

Re: Why Clang

"We put clang because sponsors wanted it." Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3 they are not. programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lis

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

ZFS is superior to UFS. End of the history. There is no point in use old technology (UFS) when the new one can make the same as the older and better ? anyway there must be morons here like me that after observation conclude that older is far safer and better. But if you want "end of history

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

the experimental development branch -HEAD, it _might_ happen that the system doesn't even compile, but updated 30 minutes after that "accident", it runs fine again. :-) And finally unless doing tests or using private not-really-important computer, don't just install newest FreeBSD because it's o

Re: Why Clang

On 6/21/12 10:08 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and t

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 6/21/12 9:47 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: True but this applies as much to you. You think you know it all and that is quite the probdlem with you. And "discussing" with you is a true waste with this attittute. Even its free. so stop it. This mailing list isn't your blog. If you want to

NIC problem

I have an Intel Wifi Link 1000 BGN NIC that I'm having trouble getting to work. I have FreeBSD 8.3 installed. I looked in the NOTES file under /usr/src/sys/conf for the driver and did not see it listed. It is PCI. I have tried to configure the settings via the sysinstall command post configur

Re: Why Clang

Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and the money to pay for them comes from those com

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

ZFS is superior to UFS. End of the history. There is no point in use old technology (UFS) when the new one can make the same as the older and better ? Regards, El 21/06/12 11:31, Matthias Gamsjager escribió: On 21 jun. 2012, at 18:07, Wojciech Puchar

FreeBSD 8.2 Add second hard drive multi-boot

Good morning, FreeBSD enthusiasts. On my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation, I had one hard drive. I partitioned it with two slices, the first one for FreeBSD 8.2 with its native file system, and the second one for a future re-installation of Windows XP, to be formatted with NTFS file system.

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:24:26 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > >> I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most > >> impressed with it so far. > > > > > > rather huge difference. If you use the "right" Linusi, you can gain

Re: Why Clang

On 6/21/12 1:40 AM, Michel Talon wrote: Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and the m

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

[...] My one note to the above would be to advise against using it for swap - unless you have enough RAM to make sure you never swap. It doesn't do well in that role, in my experience. (Though that was under a slightly earlier version.) I remember on SXCE running on my test Sun E420r serv

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

his interactions on several topics. ZFS is stable and tested, and works well if you have the resources. That means RAM as well as hard disks - and if you don't have the resources, most of ZFS's advantages wouldn't be coming into play anyway. I have seen no right. repeat it more times, as you

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

True but this applies as much to you. You think you know it all and that is quite the probdlem with you. And "discussing" with you is a true waste with this attittute. Even its free. so stop it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 2012-06-21 08:12, Евгений Лактанов wrote: 21.06.2012 15:52, Wojciech Puchar пишет: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-q

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 21 jun. 2012, at 18:07, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> stupid answer to stupid question. >>> You never seen - but they do happens. >> >> In other topic you hammerd on fact and if someone ask you to deliver them >> its a stupid question. > just a proof it is a waste of time to explain things

Re: A bash scripting question

On Jun 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > How Can I simplify/perfect the following script, so that I read _ALL_ the > lines in the file and act on the content as shown below, so that I do not > have to specifiy an action per line? > > This below is doing exactly what i need BUT r

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

> "Wojciech" == Wojciech Puchar writes: Wojciech> I ignore performance issues completely for now. An ironic line, given your complaints about clang. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consul

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

stupid answer to stupid question. You never seen - but they do happens. In other topic you hammerd on fact and if someone ask you to deliver them its a stupid question. just a proof it is a waste of time to explain things (FOR FREE) for people like you. You are free to make dangerous setups

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

Another important point: With 24 ZFS mirrors you'd have your data being striped across ALL the mirrors. This will yield much better performance. i though already after few mails that you can discuss things normally. But this reply just perfectly proves you didn't read more than maybe my las

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 21 jun. 2012, at 17:15, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> I do understand your setup but I dont have too agree that it is a good > > so i would repeat my question. > Assume you have 48 disks, in mirrored configuration (24 mirrors) and 480 > users with their data on them. > > Your solution wi

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:42:55 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: And it is truly funny for me to know people do think this way. If you understood how ZFS commits data to disk you'd not be making these statements. Also, if you take snapshots you can just roll back if there is any weirdness a

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

I think it is incorrect to assume that a failure with ZFS that cannot be recovered could be recovered if you used UFS with fsck. i think it is incorrect to not read carefully. So explanation - ZFS failure NOT caused by disks failure cannot be usually recovered. But even if i am wrong at thi

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 21.06.2012 10:15, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I do understand your setup but I dont have too agree that it is a good so i would repeat my question. Assume you have 48 disks, in mirrored configuration (24 mirrors) and 480 users with their data on them. Your solution with ZFS - ZFS crashes or yo

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

I do understand your setup but I dont have too agree that it is a good so i would repeat my question. Assume you have 48 disks, in mirrored configuration (24 mirrors) and 480 users with their data on them. Your solution with ZFS - ZFS crashes or you get double disk failure. Assuming the latt

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Wojciech Puchar < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > >>> >>> interesting idea but the options ZFS would give you are superior to this >> setup. >> > > Were you just unable to understand my setup or a reasons to do this? > > please reread former post and poss

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

With UFS2 you can use file systems up to 2^73 (8 ZB). The problem is not UFS, but the old tools used to format the disk like fdisk and bsdlabel. For big file systems you must use gpart. true. or not using anything at all (and put filesystem directly on whole device/mirror). The problem with

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

interesting idea but the options ZFS would give you are superior to this setup. Were you just unable to understand my setup or a reasons to do this? please reread former post and possibly ask again if you don't understand the reasons. I ignore performance issues completely for now. But

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

One interesting feature of ZFS if it's block checksum: all reads and writes include block checksum, so it can easily detect situations where, for example, data is quietly corrupted by RAM. you may be shocked but you are sometimes wrong. i already demostrated it and checksumming doesn't get any

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 07:55 -0500, wel...@excelsusphoto.com wrote: > On 21.06.2012 07:39, Dennis Glatting wrote: > > > > > Stable? Yes. Be sure you have up-to-date FreeBSD kernel and your HBA > > firmware is up-to-date. Generally I use LSI 9211 cards. > > > > Does the 9211 support JBOD (complete

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

At 16:13 21/06/2012, you wrote: On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for >2TB file systems with UFS? With UFS2 you can use file systems up to 2^73 (8 ZB). The problem is not UFS, but the old to

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 06/21/2012 16:13, Hooman Fazaeli wrote: On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for >2TB file systems with UFS? this should not be a problem if you use GPT + gpart (which is the way to go nowa

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > >> answer yourself. >> >> >> Sorry but I don;t follow you right there. with 48 disks you would not >> mirror 24vs24. >> > > if i wasn't clear enough then i would it like that (with UFS), and > assuming disk

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

One interesting feature of ZFS if it's block checksum: all reads and writes include block checksum, so it can easily detect situations where, for example, data is quietly corrupted by RAM. This feature is very important for databases. On 06/21/2012 15:58, Matthias Gamsjager wrote: On Thu, Jun

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Hooman Fazaeli wrote: On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for >2TB file systems with UFS? the same as for <2TB filesystems.

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

answer yourself. Sorry but I don;t follow you right there. with 48 disks you would not mirror 24vs24. if i wasn't clear enough then i would it like that (with UFS), and assuming disks are named disk0disk48, and that i have at least one more disk for system code, often acessed data etc

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for >2TB file systems with UFS? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/lis

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Wojciech Puchar < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > I really want to see your face when you fsck 48TB w/o ffs+j (since that is >> so young must be immature :S ) of data with the phone ring non stop with >> > > Even if ZFS would be the only filesystem in exis

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

I really want to see your face when you fsck 48TB w/o ffs+j (since that is so young must be immature :S ) of data with the phone ring non stop with Even if ZFS would be the only filesystem in existence i would make one per 2 disks (single mirror). No matter what's going on, what do you prefer

A bash scripting question

How Can I simplify/perfect the following script, so that I read _ALL_ the lines in the file and act on the content as shown below, so that I do not have to specifiy an action per line? This below is doing exactly what i need BUT reading one line at a time untill the 10th line, if i want more i add

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