[freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
Hi, I was reading chapter 4 of the handbook, as well as chapters 24 and 26... If I got it clear, I pretty much might get the base system updated by using freebsd-update script. Ports collection can get updated with portsnap, but that doesn't update neither the intalled ports, nor the installed packages. To upgrade the installed ports, portmanager or portmaster or portupgrade can be used... However only portupgrade can be used to upgrade packages, right? Now, can something like portupgrade -a -PP to upgrade all packages without building a thing (might be that some don't get updated due to the lack of binary package yet, and in such case would dependencies be managed right)? More into how things work, as ports and pacakages are not part of the base systems, are they somehow associated to a particular release (most probably not)? So that pretty much no matter the release, if packages and ports are kept up to date, they might be the same for all releases? I'm asking these questions since I'm evaluating moving to BSD, but I want to avoid compiling as much as possible since my box is 800MHz piii celeron with just 32KB of cache and 512MB of ram, and for it source based distributions have proven to be too much to handle, so my intention would be to live with binary packages and updates/upgrades only... Also if remaining under -STABLE, is all this possible? Kind of understood that openoffice.org can't be installed with pkg_add -r, so most probably if living under -STABLE automatic updates for openoffice.org won't show up... So this kinds of answers one previous question about the packages been independent from the base system release, it looks like they aren't... Thanks, -- Javier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On 12/2/08, Javier Vasquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was reading chapter 4 of the handbook, as well as chapters 24 and 26... If I got it clear, I pretty much might get the base system updated by using freebsd-update script. Ports collection can get updated with portsnap, but that doesn't update neither the intalled ports, nor the installed packages. To upgrade the installed ports, portmanager or portmaster or portupgrade can be used... However only portupgrade can be used to upgrade packages, right? Now, can something like portupgrade -a -PP to upgrade all packages without building a thing (might be that some don't get updated due to the lack of binary package yet, and in such case would dependencies be managed right)? More into how things work, as ports and pacakages are not part of the base systems, are they somehow associated to a particular release (most probably not)? So that pretty much no matter the release, if packages and ports are kept up to date, they might be the same for all releases? I'm asking these questions since I'm evaluating moving to BSD, but I want to avoid compiling as much as possible since my box is 800MHz piii celeron with just 32KB of cache and 512MB of ram, and for it source based distributions have proven to be too much to handle, so my intention would be to live with binary packages and updates/upgrades only... Also if remaining under -STABLE, is all this possible? Kind of understood that openoffice.org can't be installed with pkg_add -r, so most probably if living under -STABLE automatic updates for openoffice.org won't show up... So this kinds of answers one previous question about the packages been independent from the base system release, it looks like they aren't... Thanks, -- Javier I forgot to ask to CC me, since I'm not part of the list yet... Thanks, -- Javier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Looking @ upgrades mechanisms...
On 12/2/08, andrew clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 2008-12-02 00:41:58 UTC-0600, Javier Vasquez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was reading chapter 4 of the handbook, as well as chapters 24 and 26... If I got it clear, I pretty much might get the base system updated by using freebsd-update script. Ports collection can get updated with portsnap, but that doesn't update neither the intalled ports, nor the installed packages. To upgrade the installed ports, portmanager or portmaster or portupgrade can be used... However only portupgrade can be used to upgrade packages, right? Now, can something like portupgrade -a -PP to upgrade all packages without building a thing (might be that some don't get updated due to the lack of binary package yet, and in such case would dependencies be managed right)? Right. More into how things work, as ports and pacakages are not part of the base systems, are they somehow associated to a particular release (most probably not)? So that pretty much no matter the release, if packages and ports are kept up to date, they might be the same for all releases? There are downloadable packages that are regularly built from the latest ports tree. There are different packages available for different releases though (eg. 6.x vs 7.x, i386 vs amd64). The theory goes that you can use i386 packages built for (for example) 6.4 on a 6.3 system. Possibly all the way back to 6.0. If you're relying on prebuilt packages then ideally you should try to keep the base system updated where possible. I'm asking these questions since I'm evaluating moving to BSD, but I want to avoid compiling as much as possible since my box is 800MHz piii celeron with just 32KB of cache and 512MB of ram, and for it source based distributions have proven to be too much to handle, so my intention would be to live with binary packages and updates/upgrades only... Those specs should be fine if you're building small software such as Squid, Apache, Samba, etc. I build everything I need (http server + http cache + mail server + spam filter + more) from source using a 1 GHz Pentium III with 256 Mb (using portmaster). Firefox, GNOME or KDE would take a long time with 800 MHz. But I wouldn't really like to run those big apps at only 800 MHz either. There's no reason why you can't install the larger software from packages then just build the smaller stuff from source. With portupgrade -PP you're still going to have to keep your ports tree updated (I use portsnap) so it's not a lot of extra effort to build from source. Actually I don't run desktop managers, just plain fluxbox over X. And I use X mostly to browse the web. But any ways, I've run source based linux distributions in the past, and although it's fun, my box takes too much time to keep up with the rolling changes. So I've learned it's better to keep updating through binaries in this good old boxes... Also if remaining under -STABLE, is all this possible? Kind of understood that openoffice.org can't be installed with pkg_add -r, so most probably if living under -STABLE automatic updates for openoffice.org won't show up... So this kinds of answers one previous question about the packages been independent from the base system release, it looks like they aren't... Not too sure what you're asking here, and I've never used -STABLE. Keep in mind though that you can't use freebsd-update if you're using -STABLE (AFAIK). Ups, I didn't know that... so freebsd-update only works on -RELEASE's. I'm not sure that was explicit in the documentation, good to know, :) So the only way to live in -STABLE up to date is to keep the base system up to date through compilation... Thanks, -- Javier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
