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See a posting from Scott Long of FreeBSD;
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Thanks for going to a public forum and saying I am full of crap.
I really appreciate that. Boy, you sure do want to see all of
our projects do well, don't you.
Apparently you have
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By Scott (IP: ---.samsco.org) - Posted on 2005-03-19 19:02:37
I don't know if it's better to post this here or onto the
Theo de Raadt wrote:
While I understand what you want Theo lets not remove the support for
stuff that currently works. I just spent $349 on a Adaptec RAID card
for my home server and if the support is removed I will be very upset.
The drive is written. Leave it alone. Let it be up
I'd love to have fully open stuff from all the RAID
companies too, but I also want the users of FreeBSD to be able to use
the resources that are out there to their full advantage and not be
pinned down by my political beliefs on the subject.
Which is why you go onto public posting sites and
It's not a binary driver, it's a 2-clause BSD licensed driver that
contains full source. You said that the OpenBSD driver is unstable,
so I offered to help. That has nothing to do with binary apps.
Deleting it from the OpenBSD tree is always an option, of course.
The driver is free, but
It's not a binary driver, it's a 2-clause BSD licensed driver that
contains full source. You said that the OpenBSD driver is unstable,
so I offered to help. That has nothing to do with binary apps.
From
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/pds.cgi?ports/sysutils/aaccli
Sources for
Sigh. Theo, there are lots of ways of interacting with other people:
if you go out of your way to antagonize somebody, the result is
generally not going to be positive. I think Scott is mature enough to
continue to help other BSD projects-- including OpenBSD-- regardless,
but this sort
I personally don't care about Adaptec anymore, but I do care about the
people there. If LSI or whoever else can provide better support, then
that's fine with me. I do however have quite a bit of experience in
knowing how things work at Adaptec and knowing what compromises can be
made.
What part of the FreeBSD AAC driver is closed, emcumbered, or otherwise
non-free?
The bits that do management.
Therefore, the bits that let it do what RAID controllers are meant to do.
Can you fully operate an aac(4) card -- 100% of it's abilities, on a
FreeBSD machine, without using a
I'll heartily agree that there is little reason for any company to
keep information like this closed.
Yet you are not helping.
But going around making personal
attacks on company employees that don't give you the cookie you want
is pretty shitty too.
Then I guess that Doug Richardson made
I'm not stuffing anything down anyone's throats.
You are insulting me on public lists.
You are, thus, also telling your users not to bother your beloved
Adaptec.
You're telling them what the binary which you worked on is the best
they are going to get.
I'm enabling FreeBSD
users to use the
Do you ask for the blueprints to the plane before you get onboard? Do
you demand that Ford or GM give you the source to the fuel ingector
computer before you get into a car? I'm saying that resources are out
there that will allow OpenBSD users to manage their RAID arrays RIGHT
NOW. No,
I'm done with this thread. A closed binary managmeent app isn't ideal,
but it's better than nothing. I worked on it because I knew the
compromises I could make at the time and I wanted to give the FreeBSD
community something for it. I don't have infinite time and resources
to fight the
Well spoken, Ben.
Very well spoken.
On 2005 Mar 19, at 1:21 PM, Scott Long wrote:
The hardware is tricky
to get right and there are bugs in different cards and different
firmware versions that often need to be worked around. It's all
documented in my driver, and I'm happy to share my
Adaptec, as a vendor, really cares about you.
That is why their commercial contacts disable their email accounts
when the shit hits the fan.
That is Doug Richardson
Title? Global Channel Marketing Manager
The guy who said *HE* was the one responsible for changing views within
Adaptec.
Buggy
There has got to be a better way to work with the vendors in order to
get the support we need. It just seem to me that the screw you guys, I
am going home stuff just does not work.
Well, there is.
We do it all the time!
We mail a vendor, and then we start a frank dialogue. I (or some
Since the original Adaptec guy Doug has blocked his mail, here is the
email address of the next person at Adaptec who is involved in this.
He has also previously indicated that he would be involved in any
decision to provide documentation on the aac RAID management
interface.
Marty Turner
[EMAIL
what you are asking for is simply ... that the developer's
hands be tied.
Flat out, you are wrong. This affects everyone.
-Tomas Quintero
FreeBSD User
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:10:29 -0700, Theo de Raadt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since the original Adaptec guy Doug has blocked his mail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is another person who can be talked to
about this matter. He just sent me a long private mail, none of
which really indicates that anything is really happening at
Adaptec about our concerns.
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I have received information from a few sources that indicates that
Adaptec does not have documentation on their management interface
in-house. They only have a source-code implimentation, for a variety
of models.
So that is perhaps why they are so slow.
That does however speak rather badly. I
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