Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Saturday, March 19, Scott Long wrote:
 Theo de Raadt wrote:
  
  Why do you keep discussing the free stuff, and distracting everyone
  from the non-free bits?
  
  Is it because you used to work for Adaptec?  Are you paid to distract
  people from the non-free code?
 
 No, but you're paranoid and refusing help.
 
 Scott

Scott,

Not that it matters, since I seriously doubt *YOU* pull any strings at
adaptec, but in our efforts to open up hardware documentation and firmare
interfaces, we have help squash bugs (very real and nasty bugs) in the
firmware of more than one hardware device.

In other words, the vendor got $2500/hour debugging help for free...

--Toby.
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Re: aac support

2005-03-19 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Saturday, March 19, Sean Hafeez wrote:
 
 There has got to be a better way to work with the vendors in order to 
 get the support we need. It just seem to me that the screw you guys, I 
 am going home stuff just does not work.

Other approaches have been tried.  Extensively, and for a long time.
If you know of an approach that works, please demonstrate.  At this
point, I believe that the community would welcome someone that is going
to step up, and have adaptec supply the documentation because they
negotiated it out of them.  Words here are cheap... but at the current
time, they are the only thing we really have left.  The voice of the
community.


 The vendors need a business 
 case in order to do things - they are in business to make money and I 
 can agree with that.

They have a business case.  More than one.  1800+ cards is not a business
case?  The points I brought up are not a business case?  The bad press
and such are not a business case?  Give me a break.


--Toby.
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