A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would seem
to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness of
FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six or more
strange but usefulness of FreeBSD wasn't questioned.
By the way Fred, please don't "T
I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y? I
no. it is temporary.
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And why you think it's not better then gcc?
because - as you already should know - test shows otherwise.
As well as FreeBSD running predictable with gcc anyway.
Still theory and ideology.
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I have searched for ppmtoxpm in ports and in FreeBSD Search Services to
no avail.
ppmtoxpm converts a portable pixmap into an X11 pixmap.
Is there a freebsd equivalent or alternative?
No equivalent just the same netpbm package
/usr/ports/graphics/netpbm
#!/bin/sh
#
# Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba.
# PROVIDE: precedence
# REQUIRE: vboxheadless
# BEFORE: samba
:
Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary.
thank you for help. I will test it when being on place and could reboot.
But still - do you know why it i
1. gcc will still be available through the ports system.
As well as clang is available in ports. not an argument.
2. The move to clang/llvm as a default compiler will reduce the amount
of GPL code in the base system, eventually reducing distribution
issues (especially for 3rd parties).
true.
The bad thing about GPLv3 is that if anyone commits any code under this
license into the tree vendors that use our code base for making their own
OSes will ditch FreeBSD as they can be sued by FSF. Juniper for example. It
would be wise to listen to their point of view on GPLv3.
not really un
Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following
contents:
#!/bin/sh
#
# Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba.
# PROVIDE: precedence
# REQUIRE: vboxheadless
# BEFORE: samba
:
Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary.
thank you for help. I wi
Yes Wojciech, I can attempt an answer for you. Pay attention, this gets very
complex.
The decision to move to Clang was motivated by what is best for the project,
and not what is best for Wojciech.
still not stopped personal attacks (last part of last sentence) but lets
forget.
So please g
i have samba server and few virtualbox sessions using vboxnet which is
started by /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vboxheadless
i want samba to be started AFTER vboxheadless as the latter configures
vboxnet0 automatically when started, and samba do bind to vboxnet0.
so i appended vboxheadless to REQUIRE:
long term goals. Eliminating, or at least not being dependent on a GNU
toolchain. GPL v3 brings with it a whole host problems such as:
As you already know i don't like GPL very much. As i already said for me
GNU is computer communism.
But like or not like, i don't prefer my likeness above f
Here[1] we can read a program linking agains a gpl v3 library should be released
under the gplv3 too. However, the only concern would be when the program is
implicitly linked against libgcc right? Well, there's even an
exception[2] for this.
this is exactly how i understand that. Anyway DragonFly
Yes, Clang in general produces slower binaries than gcc. Is that in dispute or
something? Or is this just repetition in case we
didn't hear you the first time?
just yesterday i've heard lots of otherwise claim.
Try thinking of the transition as a step back to take many steps forward.
Wha
How about leaving politics and getting back to technical grounds?
what is the problem as long as gcc is in the ports tree?
what is a problem as clang is in the ports tree?
the problem is that these compilers are not 100% compatible and soon if
clang will be default it will be not just easy
but not to be turned into closed source products.
What a lying sonofabitch. That is not called freedom. That is called
"forcible, viral open source". I think we can all see the difference. Open
your motherfucking eyes, communist goofball...
Give him a break. His heart is in the right place, t
i tested your test program, and in that case, contrary to testing common
unix programs, difference is far higher showing gcc superiority.
i did this test with FreeBSD 9 supplied clang and FreeBSD 9 supplied gcc.
clearly shows that clang actually cannot do more agressive optimization
(that trad
The problem need to solve:
Need have end system, when keyfile when boot will be created automatically,
and erased securelly just after root crypto` partition mounts (by dd with
of=keyfile, for example)
That need to do because freebsd have remote hosting.
Needs:
To make key not (at least EASELY
Does GPLv3 does force programs you compile with gcc to be GPLed?
As far as I know, the main difference is that the GPLv3 is
often called a "viral license". Software linking against v3
libraries and so maybe programs compiled by a v3 compiler
will have - according to the license - to be released
programs like mencoder which require
the highest efficiency.
Really - just to throw in another opinion:
As an average user I don't see any performance impact on my clang-built
desktop-every-day-workstation. The only thing that is getting on my nerves
are some ports I frequently have to rebuild
I would also guess that the base system is stuck with gcc ~4.1 due to
the GPLv3-ization of later gcc version. Is that correct?
true.
anyway - can someone point me an article about explaining in human
language (contrary to lawyer language) why GPLv3 is more limiting in
reality over v2 .
Doe
lilas% clang -v
Apple clang version 2.1 (tags/Apple/clang-163.7.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.4.0
lilas% clang -O4 test.c -lf2c
lilas% time ./a.out
...
real 0m2.359s
user 0m2.341s
sys 0m0.003s
lilas% /usr/local/bin/gcc -v
?
gcc version 4.6.1 (GCC)
lilas% /usr/local/bin
No you don't. You like what YOU (and ONLY you) think of as facts (see below).
still not explained what is wrong in comparing end results of benchmark
and seeing that they are quite same. This is the only meaningful point for
me.
I live ideology for others.
Only facts? Well and good. Do you
At 12a Tuesday (6/19) I decided to try installing KDE4 again. When I tried
to change directory to /x11/kde4 the directory did not exist. I decided to
because it does not exist. /usr/ports/x11/kde4 exist.
try to install from my FreeBSD 9 disk at this point. In about 10 sec the
install told m
Sorry, my last header wrongly to Mark Felder, & could give
the wrong impression. I would like Wojciech Puchar (not Mark F.)
to stop banging on about 'GNU communist licence' etc.
because you don't like facts.
Sorry but i like only facts.
be more exact.
I believe Robert Bonomi (you didn't include attribution for the previous
email, I notice) *was* more exact, in that the rest of his email
explained what he thought of your glossing over the various factors that
might contribute to binary size.
I notice you ignored most of it in y
none? so why it takes so much time to optimize?
I don't think you understand how compilers work or the concept that new
programming methodologies have been developed over the last 25 years, so this
conversation is going to get stuck in a loop.
Right. You just behave as defender of CLANG pe
scratch and this resulted with thing 5 times larger,
*YOUR* measurement of sizes was faulty.
be more exact.
old bloated gcc is just funny.
You _do_ understand that they could not use -any- of the technology
implementations in GCC, that they had to redevelop everything from
scratch, right
That's interesting discussion.
I hit some cases where clang produced binaries were
clearly faster than those made with latest gcc. But it's far
from rule.
i did few more test on common unix tools, or my programs and results are
that by average there are just as fast within 1% range.
by avera
GPL runs contrary to the nature and intent of the BSD style license.
Free and open software benefits us all.
True. GPL is definitely not FREE software. Freedom doesn't have different
types. Something is free or it is not free.
GPL software is not free as i can not do whatever i want with it.
bloated gcc is just funny.
Another way of looking at it is after 25 years of optimization GCC is
unable to beat a new compiler that's had almost none...
none? so why it takes so much time to optimize?
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gratification Seems like you ask for it.
This might be to gratuitous for most on the list, but diversity is almost
reason enough. And I don't mean this is some sort of fashion-way. I
think llvm and clang are interesting and serious projects.
never told otherwise.
i just try to do what
Please stop asking for instant gratification; you won't have it no matter how
loud you yell.
gratification Seems like you ask for it.
The Clang decision is far-reaching and gives numerous
advantages to the FreeBSD platform.
for example what?
_
> pear-shaped.
Clang is a great set of compiler tools. If you are only a user, as you suggest,
as i suggested - i am a user of compiler. i do compile my own programs,
as well as programs from ports.
and i hate just telling something is white while it is at most grey.
_
We already have the latest available with GPLv2, which is very far behind and
it requires GCC codebase experts to make any changes at all. This is
equivalent to letting any random coder make major changes to OpenSSL -- you
simply cannot afford to risk it.
so not doing anything and just spent t
I don't say clang is just bad, but i prefer real data over hype.
This is the most memorable and impacting set of graphs that I remember. I
haven't followed the data much since.
http://clang.llvm.org/performance-2008-10-31.html
Now imagine having to rebuild projects constantly during your dev
Are you sure CLANG is the bloated project?
already posted comparision.
your seems like too much propaganda.
I don't say clang is just bad, but i prefer real data over hype.
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all description i found is that deleting .openoffice* from $HOME fixes it. it
doesn't. i even created new user with no leftover any config files and still
same.
Are your ports up to date? Also, did you apply any funky compile time flags?
yes and no.
But i found the answer.
when i use xdm as
Clang is consistently faster at compiling than GCC and it is very clean and
modular -- not bloated.
-r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 37025016 12 cze 21:46 /usr/bin/clang
well..
hope you just left the debugging symbols in and statically linked it?
standard FreeBSD built, assumed freebsd build syste
alternatively - use tar.
What I was trying to achieve, which I haven't done yet, was a smallish dump of the
"core system". By that I mean system + ports, without distfiles, etc. Then a
separate dump of user data, which is considerably larger. At this point I am thinking I
should do this:
Clang is consistently faster at compiling than GCC and it is very clean and
modular -- not bloated.
-r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 37025016 12 cze 21:46 /usr/bin/clang
well..
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Any server manufacturer who chooses to only support MS products is
going to find they don't get much business from the academic market.
such behaviour is even more stupid today as globally PC market is
shrinking.
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When I originally set up my SSD, the stuff I was following indicated there was
no need to put anythng on a separate filesystem. I'm now trying to build a
backup system on a usb drive and I want a separate /var and /tmp.
I had originally set the nodump flag on /tmp and /var, so my snapshot is e
Clearly an update was necessary. Unfortunately, later versions of gcc
have switched to GPLv3, which is a viral license and unacceptable to the
FreeBSD project.
wasn't aware of that.
Therefore clang was chosen from amongst a number of alternatives as the
best replacement. That makes it soun
Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available?
I would like to know the reasoning.
CLANG isn't GNU licenced. Getting rid of communist licence is right, but
still it should not be the prime reason for doing things, as having GNU
licenced gcc doesn't really hurt.
personally
UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries
http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/
This would seem to make compiling from source difficult.
simply do not support it. As long as they are users of Fedora (as well as
FreeBSD and other FREE s
can anyone suggest what i'm doing wrong here.
Desired:drop everything from 180.0.0.0 to 180.255.255.255
ipfw -q add 137 deny all from 180.0.0.0/8 to any
nothing wrong. all is fine.
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Google find many things with "javaldx failed".
Is a problem with j
trying to start openoffice shows:
[wojtek@wojtek ~]$ openoffice-3.4.0-swriter
XDM authorization key matches an existing
client!/usr/local/openoffice-3.4.0/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin X11
error: Can't open display:
Set DISPLAY environment variable, use -display option
or check per
Maybe a common marketing and sales model comes from software
to hardware too: You don't actually own the hardware! When
you give money to the manufacturer (maybe through vendors
or retailers), you receive hardware _plus_ a limited set
of rights which you may exercise on that hardware, maybe
for a
whats wrong in juz using bsdlabel ?
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012, Gary Aitken wrote:
On 06/04/12 15:25, Warren Block wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012, Gary Aitken wrote:
What part of the Handbook? I would suggest using gpart(8), it makes GPT
partitions easy, and nasty old MBR partitions aren't any worse tha
But when i call at http://myweb/example.flv i only download this file.
How can I solve this case ?
AddHandler flv-stream .flv ?
Yes there is that line in httpd.conf
But flv doesn't work
do you have
video/x-flv flv
in your mime table.
browser mostly
I just "offlined" the system and took a look at the BIOS. The hard disk
controller was set to "ATA NATIVE", I attempted changing to AHCI and the
system failed to boot thereafter.
do you have ahci and ada drivers compiled in?
Booting into my rescue CD of FreeSBIE, with AHCI enabled only sho
I reckon as stated at the beginning that either the 180Watt PSU inside
the system isn't enough or the controller is just really poor??
well i got through the same.
changing PSU, forced a seller to replace my motherboard (got NEW, not the
same - checked), checked all cables, even changing disks.
I updated my ports this morning, built youtube-dl, and after finding
definitely not related to youtube-dl.
some software wouldn't work, rebooted. Now X doesn't start, and when I
tried to start emacs, it seems that libpng, required by emacs, has
vanished.
So my current theory is that I should
As nearly as I can tell, I don't have anything pointing at that drive.
Questions:
1. What does the "No such file or directory" mean from mkdir?
It's a relative dir name, and I'm sitting at a valid dir.
no NTFS driver for FreeBSD is really well done. fusefs based ntfs driver
in my opinion
2. Replace the vendor installed NTFS with a UFS file system.
$ newfs -U /dev/da1s1
(No, I didn't bother to create BSD partitions)
but why still create msdos partition?
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ppd file are actually human readable, you get a fragment that tell you how
to filter postscript to produce output.
eg. my OfficeJet 8500 filter is based on it.
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Thomas Mueller wrote:
Polytropon, you mention ppd files (.ppd or .ppd.gz).
Is this the binary plugin that hplip
and do you need this for a non-server? Adobe don't want us (FreeBSD users)
to use their closed-source software. And i respect their will and don't
use it. Which resulted in much easier browsing by the way :)
Some, too many, web sites are difficult or impossible to access without Adobe
Flash.
filesystem which resides on the SSD. Is it good, bad or irrelevant for
the SSD ?
Mostly irrelevant, I think. I've been using just ordinary soft updates as
there is bug fixing going on with SU+J. fsck on the SSD is very fast anyway,
so SU+J is needed less. And there's a little less writing b
I suppose if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I have FreeBSD 8.2_RELEASE i386 on an old computer, pinched for disk space and
only 256 MB RAM, won't try upgrading in place.
On the new computer, after not being able to boot NetBSD most of the time and
never getting to a graphical interface, FreeBSD
that's all. Work for whole office without trash software installed on
(windoze) workstation or unix server.
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Your message is worth saving, gives me some new ideas on getting that
recalcitrant printer (HP M1212nf MFP) to work.
if you want mail m
I have another storage server named bd3 that has a RAIDz2 array of 2.5T
drives (11 of them, IIRC) but it is presently powered down for maintenance.
seems you don't need performance at all if you use RAIDz1/2 and ZFS.
unless "performance" for you means how fast 1GB file are read linearly.
_
seems you like to incredibly complicated things.
It just happens that i configured that printer in one office and there is
NO NEED for this windows-style crappy shit from HP.
/usr/ports/print/hplip (make config and disable GUI trash) is enough.
scanning works directly to SMB exported shares
On the other hand, even on a single-disk pool, ZFS stores two copies of all
metadata, so the chances of actually losing a directory block are extremely
remote. On mirrored or RAIDZ pools, you have at least four copies of all
metadata.
i can only wish you to be lucky. sometimes lack of understandi
When I say fast that's mean I already do some benchmarks with iozone. And
do some graphs to see what the performance are.
What I can say is it's go lot faster than H700+ 12 disk 600 15k/min.
i asked if it is faster than properly made UFS/gmirror/gstripe mix on the
same hardware.
And I do tho
2. It looses one of the HDDs during intensive read/write operations:
Jun 2 00:55:33 vas kernel: ahcich1: Timeout on slot 4 port 0
Jun 2 00:55:33 vas kernel: ahcich1: is cs 00c0 ss 00f0 rs
00f0 tfd c0 serr cmd c617
Jun 2 00:56:48 vas kernel: ahcich1: Timeout o
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Albert Shih wrote:
I've Dell R610 + 48 Go Ram, 2x 6 core + 4 * MD1200 (36*3T + 12*2T)
[root@filer ~]# zpool list
NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT
filer 119T 35,4T 83,9T 29% 1.00x ONLINE -
[root@filer ~]#
Work very fine (I can
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
Better=random read performance of single drive.
What an entirely useless performance measure!
if random read performance is a useless measure for you then i really
cannot help you. sorry
As for ZFS being dangerous, we have a score of drive-years with no loss of
data. The lack of fsck is considered in this intelligently written piece
you are just lucky.
before i would start using anything new in such important part as
filesystem, i do extreme test, ssimulate hardware faults, ra
and unbelievable narrow cases, when you don't have or can't
access a backup (which you should have even when using ZFS),
and you _need_ to do some forensic analysis on disks, ZFS
seems to be a worse solution than UFS. On ZFS, you never
can predict where the data will go. Add several disks to
tru
level?
It was my impression that ZFS doesn't actually format the disk as
does any filesystem "format" a disk?
disks are nowadays factory formatted.
filesystem only write data and it's metadata on it.
I really recommend you to get basic knowledge of how (any) filesystem
works.
THEN pleas
Assuming that filesystem doesn't need offline filesystem check utility
because it "never crash" is funny.
zfs scrub...???
when starting means crash quickly?
Well.. no.
Certainly with computers that never have hardware faults and assuming ZFS
doesn't have any software bugs you may be right.
I have recompiled the kernel with "device ada" and put ahci_load="YES" in
/boot/loader.conf.
you don't need ada driver for USB disk. anyway you need it for your SATA
disk to make things fast.
and mounting it works. Obviously, for the disk the device nodes aren't
created...
Is there somethin
vpn connexion.
I have tried Openvpn and mpd5 (with a pptp and l2pt connexion) and the
max speed (according to various speedtests) is 5 to 6MB.
5-6MB = megabytes per second? megabytes per hour? per year?
be more precise.
Without the vpn I'm having 45-50 MB... My vpn service has servers in
do
I'm not using as huge a dataset, but I was seeing this behavior as well when
I first set my box up. What was happening was that ZFS was caching *lots* of
writes, and then would dump them all to disk at once, during which time the
computer was completely occupied with the disk I/O.
The solutio
I am also in charge of redesigning one of our virtual SAN's to a
FreeBSD ZFS storage system which will run well how many JBOD's can
you fit on the system?? Probably round ~100TB or so.
quite a bit more without buying overpriced things
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48TB each, roughly. There would be a couple of units. The pizza
boxes would be used for computational tasks, and nominally would have
8 cores and 96G+ RAM.
Obvious questions are hardware compatibility and stability. I've set
up small FreeBSD 9 machines with ZFS roots and simple mirrors for
oth
# mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/da5s1 /mnt
mount_ntfs: /dev/da5s1: Invalid argument
)
your dmesg shows drive is properly detected.
seems like ntfs driver doesn't work OR MBR is't properly handled.
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This was good to know.
as others told there is smarter way to do this
set WRKDIRPREFIX to somewhere else.
no.
Is there such environment variables that can be pointed to writeable partition?
That sources download and compiles on different
partition. Then there is no bandwidth problem since
Would it be stupid idea to have publicly available, mountable (nfs)
partition, with full port tree(s)? I think it would be good for
systems with low storage space. I know hd space is cheap, but I run
over and over to this problem.
read only or read write?
public read write isn't smart.
I don't
install -o root -g wheel -m 555 green_saver.ko /boot/kernel
install -o root -g wheel -m 555 green_saver.ko.symbols /boot/kernel
kldxref /boot/kernel
kldxref: /boot/kernel/kernel: too many sections
kldxref: error while reading /boot/kernel/kernel: Bad address
su:/usr/src$
I tried to remove the
I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost June and
we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The modern
OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but installatoon of 5
months testing of KDE doesn;t.
so stop using trendy "desktop"
what ls -lod empty says?
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Gary Aitken wrote:
On 05/25/12 14:38, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
chflags noschg is your friend.
Not in this case.
If you look at the commands attempted, that was already tried (line 282)
Topmost login had to be as root.
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Gary
I guess it's pretty subjective, which is how I should have originally
prefaced my statement. I used sendmail for a long time, and always
hated working with m4 or direct sendmail configuration files.
well i just used README file and sometimes google.
For me,
Postfix is so much easier, but to ea
chflags noschg is your friend.
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Gary Aitken wrote:
something I'm not seeing
I've got a disk previously used as a sys disk I'm trying to clean up.
What's the key to removing /var/empty?
280 /hd1/var#sysctl kern.securelevel
kern.securelevel: -1
281 /hd1/var#ls -l
total 4
dr
broken device or motherboard, or conflict. check if irq is not shared.
re0 are not great network cards but really not that bad. something is
badly broken with hardware
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Eugen Konkov wrote:
How to look what re0 is doing?? And how to debug that?
last pid: 74164; load aver
Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...)
"Access" is still a bit vague, but security/openvpn may be part of the
answer: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source.html
for windows users i would recommend mpd - it provides VPN in windows
standard, just use windows "add
As he said in his post, NFS is the first place to start. It's available on
FreeBSD, Linux, Mac OS, other Unix derived systems, and Windows 7. The one
thing to be careful of is that it works best when you have all home
directories on central servers and all access is on client machines. It is
The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible.
Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...)
Well, this should reduce the cloud to an sftp-server or - if their stuff
isn't security sensitive to an ftp-server.
depends on connectivity. If you just wan
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html
30.3 Network File System (NFS)
Use NFS :
Define each computer as both "Server" to serve to other users(s) and
"Client" .to see the other server(s) .
If there are Windows computers , you may also use SAMBA :
http://ww
Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and
share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories )
The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible.
Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...)
yes NOW IT IS CLEAR. C
Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the "cloud" term ...
you didn't. You just started a flame of requests to be more precise and go
down from the clouds to earth.
So finally write down what you need, and we most probably can help you.
But... if you want to just sell some sol
I think you'll find Postfix to be much more modern and easy to work
with for that kind of message rewriting.
you are actually wrong in that statement. In spite of hype that
postscript started with, i am still using sendmail because it is actually
easiest if you learn it.
But what you're lo
With apologies to Joni Mitchell:
I've looked at clouds from both sides now,
From up and down, and still somehow,
It's cloud illusions I recall,
I really don't know clouds, at all.
Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly.
fashion is quite often deciding fact
the antithesis of 'cloud'?" I would never invest a dime or a single bit
of data to a cloud venture.
how one can invest of something that isn't even defined clearly.
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Does anyone know milter software (or maybe anything else) to add to
sendmail that can rewrite outgoing mail and add HTML footer automatically?
Please do not tell me about how stupid HTML mail is at all - i know it, it
is not my idea.
thanks
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i think most people talking about "cloud" solutions have really CLOUDY
idea of what they want.
Far too much marketing, far too little (if any) description of the needs.
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 25/05/2012 10:11, Frank Bonnet wrote:
a kind of private cloud
Uh... Isn't '
I'm searching for a "cloud software" :-)
look at clouds.
More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors
a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data
from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ...
( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets
I would like to have a list of the free bsd compatible
network cards . Is it compatible with realtek chipset drivers. That comes
with most PC's?
i think making list of incompatible network cards would be far easier.
since a very long time i just never checked as everything
Thanks. But I need specific directory only.
umask way seems to set mode not only under ~/secret but other
directories like ~/public.
Is there any elegant way?
elegant way is just to chmod 700 ~/secret and do not do anything more, as
files under ~/secret are already inaccessible too for others
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