Re: Will i be force.

2013-05-14 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:18:43PM +, k_win...@ovi.com wrote:

 Dear Sir/Madam
 
 My name is Kevin, I want to build an OS that is derived from freebsd but 
 Should i be worried about FreeBSD license when i am deriving.

No.  Not at all.   FreeBSD allows free use including modifying.
Look it up on the FreeBSD web sitehttp://www.freebsd.org/

jerry


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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:
  Please Cc responses to the mailing list
 
 I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing
 lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays
 provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. 

As a matter of fact, on the FreeBSD Questions list it is recommended 
to send to both the poster and the list.   On this list it is not
required to be subscribed to post.  It is an open list.

jerry
  

  So IMO even
 for this list the advice should at least be, _if possible_ reply to the
 list only, if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP reply
 to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody
 else.
 
 2 Cents,
 Ralf
 
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Re: Confused by restore(8) man page example

2013-03-04 Thread Jerry McAllister
Subject: Re: Confused by restore(8) man page example

On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:08:37AM +, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:

 On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 01:47:24 -0800
 Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote:
 
  
  In the man page for restore(8) I see the following:
  
  The -r flag ... can be detrimental to one's health if
  not used carefully (not to mention the disk).  An example:
  
   newfs /dev/da0s1a
   mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt
   cd /mnt
  
   restore rf /dev/sa0
  
  Personally, I utterly fail to see what point the author is attempting
  to illustrate with the above example.  I mean what part of this, exactly,
  may be detrimental to one's health ?  It's an enigma to me.
 
   There's nothing wrong with the example. I think An example:
 should be in a new paragraph to make it clear that it is not related to
 the warning. The detrimental effects cut in when you use -r on a filesystem
 that is not pristine, or at least in the expected state for restoring an
 incremental dump.

This and the previous reply are correct.  This example shows
a correct way to use 'restore -r'   

The '-r' flag causes it to write where you are cd-ed to without any
warning what you are doing or overwriting.  If there are other files 
in the directory that is to receive the files from a 'restore -r' has 
other files, you may unexpectedly overwrite some of them.  Also, if 
you are not cd-ed in to the correct place (the mount point, for example)
using the '-r' will quickly write all over whatever directory you
are cd-ed to without warning.In other words '-r' causes it to
splat out everything right where you are without warning and too fast
to interrupt it before too much damage is done.

I often do a  'restore -r' into an existing -eg not newly newfs-ed, 
directory, but have to make sure I am clear about what I am doing.
For example, I usually keep a large (large for my little stuff) 
drive mounted as '/work'. Within that filesystem I may create
a directory such as  './unroll'  eg '/work/unroll' or some other
similar name and mass restore a dump in to it using  'restore -r'
so I can easily shuffle files around from the backup in to several 
new directories.  If there are a bunch of destination directories,
it is easier this way than doing a 'restore -i'.   But, as said, I
have to be careful just how I am using it.   It works well.

Have fun,

jerry
  
 
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Re: FreeBSD Release Date Challenge, plus other stuff the project needs

2012-12-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 01:52:04AM -0500, Anonymous wrote:

 We, the users of FreeBSD, *do hereby challenge* the FreeBSD project
 to meet its future release dates.

OK.   Get busy.  You have a lot of work to do.

Have you ever created or maintained a large project using volunteer help?
Get serious and think what you are talking about before making such
comments.

Release dates are estimates.   Would it help your sensitive situation
to call them release estimates rather than release dates?   

jerry


 
 Why: Because the FreeBSD project has not met a significant number
 of its release dates. It's an apalling state of affairs and makes
 you, the project, look silly. Business and personal users plan
 elements of their schedules, budgets and capabilities around OS
 updates. And the continual failure of FreeBSD to deliver causes us
 to have no alternative but to look at our bosses and just shrug.
 We've taken to padding it out a week, two weeks, a month, two
 months... just to cover the random slippage. Since there seems to
 be no public statements about this ongoing situation, we might as
 well pad it to a quarter or a half... FreeBSD's already a half
 behind on status reports.
 
 No one is asking for a commercial dictatorship here. But please
 FreeBSD, coordinate better amongst yourselves!!! Be honest about
 what is and isn't going to make it. Grow the wiki as your central
 coordination center [ie 1] and start moving dynamic docs from www
 to there (the community). Replace GNATS (omg, ugh), SVN, and even
 MoinMoin so the world can interface with some things that it has
 some (good / market leading) experience with [2].
 
 Other than that, FreeBSD is great :)
 
 [1]
 http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10
 
 [2]
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue_tracking_systems
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_help_desk_issue_tracking_software
  http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software_(PHP)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software
  http://www.simplemachines.org/
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Re: Which Release

2012-08-14 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 07:29:14AM -0400, Rich wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I was looking around and decided that I would try BSD.  However, I am 
 having a problem determining which release will work for me.   I have a 
 Intel Quad CPU Q6600, 64-bit.So the AMD64 is out, the i386 is out, 
 and here I bog down,  Can you please help?

Due to a weird piece of history, the FreeBSD version for Intel 64 bit
is called AMD64  (as well as for AMD chips).

jerry   

 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Rich Goeken
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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

2012-07-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 07:44:28AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 You don't.  You wipe the FAT32 with fdisk and make a FreeBSD slice on it.
 Then you can bsdlabel it with one partition and newfs it.  Or you can
 
 repeat 100 times more that you have to make fdisk and bsdlabel. you 
 don't, and it doesn't make sense

You can do many things as indicated in several posts and most of them 
will work if you want it that way.   But, they do not answer the
question as posted.

Turning the USB stick into a FreeBSD type or mounting it as MSDOSFS
does answer that question.   

I am not sure why the rabid promotion of non-slicing, but it not
worth all the extra bandwidth applied to it.

jerry



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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

2012-07-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 02:27:05PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote:

 On 08/07/2012 13:30, Polytropon wrote:
 With few routine, tasks are performed more natural using
 the desired CLI tools. You don't go Now I have to remember
 which command to format the disk, you just format the disk,
 which means spaking to newfs. The more often you do it,
 the more obvious the tools are, and they won't change in
 look and feel (or options). That makes them superior.
 
 How do you format a FAT32 partition? 

You don't.  You wipe the FAT32 with fdisk and make a FreeBSD slice on it.
Then you can bsdlabel it with one partition and newfs it.  Or you can 
use the gpart tools with I am not yet familiar.   But, in any case,
the FAT32 is irrelevant.  You just overwrite that with the FreeBSD stuff.

If you have a FAT32 on it and if you want to use it as a FAT32, then you 
leave the FAT32 alone and just mount the thing as type msdosfs.

Make a mount point for it.  I commonly use /stick
Add something like the following in your /etc/fstab

  /dev/da2s1  /stick  msdosfs rw,noauto   0   0

and then do 
  #mount /stick  
on the command line.

You will have to figure out the correct /dev/...  address for it.
Generally you dan find the info in dmesg.

jerry  

newfs won't work. Is it newfs_vfat, 
 newfs_fat32, newfs_msdos etc.? And how do you specify you want FAT32 
 instead of FAT12 or FAT16? With a good GUI tool like diskmgmt.msc in 
 Windows 2008 you simply right-click the partition and click New Volume 
 to create a new partition, or Format to format it - and then follow 
 the prompts.  Of course using diskpart is faster if you know the 
 commands and parameters, but for an ordinary user adding a new disk 
 maybe once a year it's most likely more efficient to just use the GUI.
 
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Re: files need

2012-06-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 09:53:37PM -0700, j wrote:

 I am a newbie to linux and unix. I want to install freebsd 8.3 and 
 want to know what files I need to download.

Go to:  http://www.freebsd.org/   and study the handbook.  It has 
complete sections on getting ISO files and doing the installation.

By the way, you will not want Linux files for a FreeBSD install.
FreeBSD is not Linux.  It is BSD UNIX.   Although it does have a
Lunix compatibility mode and libraries, it is a completely different
thing with somewhat different philosophy and quite a different structure
from Lunix.

jerry 
  
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Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Add second hard drive multi-boot

2012-06-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 09:59:19AM -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net 
wrote:

You need to put the FreeBSD boot manager on both disks.
Use bootcfg.

jerry 

 Good morning, FreeBSD enthusiasts.  On my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation, 
 I had one hard drive.  I partitioned it with two slices, the first one for 
 FreeBSD 8.2 with its native file system, and the second one for a future 
 re-installation of Windows XP, to be formatted with NTFS file system.  
 FreeBSD 8.2 was then installed.  The Windows XP re-installation has not yet 
 taken place.  Recently, I installed a second hard drive on the machine that 
 was already formatted with two slices, both NTFS.  Already installed on the 
 first of these slices is the Windows XP operating system with a special 
 application program.  Already installed on the second slice is data.  It is 
 my understanding that the FreeBSD loader is supposed to be able to load any 
 operating system.  Upon power-up, the FreeBSD loader presents the following 
 screen:  
 
 F1 Win
 F2 FreeBSD
 F5 Drive 1
 F6 PXE
 
 If I depress F1, I receive the response BOOTMGR is missing.  Press 
 Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart.  If I depress F2, FreeBSD loads normally.  If I 
 depress F5, I receive the response Missing operatin system.  How can I get 
 the FreeBSD loader to load the Windows XP operating system from the second 
 hard drive?  The G.P.T. disklabel is not used by either of these operating 
 systems, so I do not believe that that is the problem.  Although the FreeBSD 
 operating system seems to see the second hard drive, it does not mount it 
 upon startup.  It does not appear in the fstab file.  I attempted to mount it 
 manually using the mount command, without success, just to see if any of the 
 data files could be read.  I ran fsidk -B on the zeroeth sector of the second 
 hard drive, but that did not seem to help.  I know that this type of issue 
 comes up repeatedly in the mailing lists, some of which I have read, but I am 
 flummoxed.  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.  Your truly, Lee 
 Shackelfo
  r!
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Re: mail server

2012-06-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:55:08AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote:

 11.06.2012 16:33, Bahaa Babekir ??:
 
  I want to sent me configuration to build mail server step by step
 
 I'd suggest to begin with:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.html

Yes, read the handbook first and then ask specific questions.
You need to do your homework.
This shotgun style of question will not get much useful response.

But, making a mail server with FreeBSD is so easy.   Unless you
want to do something weird or exotic, then FreeBSD already comes
with a good mail server all installed.   All you have to do it
enable it.Put  sendmail_enable=yes  in /etc/rc.conf and
the next time you reboot you have the most common mail server running.
It will receive and send Email just fine.   Then you might want to
install mutt from /usr/ports/mail/mutt  or some other Email client
to help you read your Email.  Of course, you could just use the 
already installed 'mail' utility.   

If you must have a web-based Email reader, try installing squirrelmail.

jerry   

 
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Re: why I am upset

2012-05-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 06:04:04AM -0500, Franci Nabalanci wrote:

 My French and Italian is enough for me, dear Sir. There are not just
 English on the world!!

Speak whatever language you want.   I don't support that part of a
former post.

 How do you know that I didn't contribute to the FreeBSD foundation?? Did
 you check my bank account??

Nothing to do with your bank account.   The OP is the indication
because if you were a contributer, you would have included some
useful information so those who are really doing the work would
have something to go on.

That post was useless and no help to improving the product.
Freeware is supported by all that create and use it.  It is
a community of supporters.   Join the community in some way
or keep quiet.  No, I don't expect you or others to be geniuses
like some of the developers and supporters - I certainly am not.
But, at least stop whining and be constructive.

jerry   

   
 
 
 On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote:
 
 
 
  On 26 May 2012, at 03:12, ajtiM lum...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Why I am upset but not just me?
  
   I am running KDE 4.8 from January on my Linux computer. Now is almost
  June and
   we got KDE 4.8 on FreeBSD too. 5 months testing and it works? No. The
  modern
   OS for the desktop computer doesn;t works. O.K. OS works but
  installatoon of 5
   months testing of KDE doesn;t.
   And help? Read /usr/ports/UOPDATING!! I red before I start inastallation
  but I
   am not sure if helpers did! Thank you for wasting my time.
  
   Mitja
 
  1/ English, learn it.
  2/ Remind me how much you paid for free software you've most likely never
  contributed to ?
  3/ You're too busy being a whiny raging kid to actually explain your
  problem
  4/ Even if you had, I doubt anyone would want to help you after your epic
  flame
 
 
  Seeing you do not even show the slightest hint of respect or gratitude
  towards the people who actually work on the software in their free time:
 
  5/ I'm gonna respectfully ask that you STFU
 
  You're such a good rager, I'm convinced you shan't need google to figure
  out the acronym.
 
 
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Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

2012-05-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
Hi,

I have been searching through questions and forums for information
on dual booting FreeBSD 8.3 on a machine with Windows 7 already on it.

My problem is that the posts seem to go around in circles and be
contradictory.  I am not sure which to believe.

My new machine has two disk drives.  Windows 7 is on ad0 and I want
to put FreeBSD 8.3 on ad1, leaving W7 as is.   So, I don't even have
to shrink a primary slice to do this.

I have dual booted Xp, Windows 98 and 95 with various FreeBSDs before
with no problem.   But, the story I keep hearing now seems to be that 
Windows 7 is more picky and will not work with the FreeBSD MBR.   I am
not sure why.

At least some people seem to be claiming that I canNOT just do the 
install and put the FreeBSD MBR on the primary slices right from the
sysnstall menu just like in the good old days - that the only way to 
make it work is to use something called 'Easybcd' to edit whatever 
Windows 7 puts in place rather than using the FreeBSD MBR and then
use the MS MBR with whatever Easybcd does to it.

Then again there were some posts that seemed to claim that using the
FreeBSD MBR in the tried and true old way is just fine and everything
just works.   I'd like to think that is true.

I really don't want to have to scrounge up install media and remake
the Windows 7 just because I do some wrong thing or I would just
smoke test it.  I am really phobic when it comes to MS stuff.

I don't need any fancy boot menu.  What I have had in the past is
just fine. I just want to select either of the OSen and get some
stuff done.  I expect to be booted to FreeBSD most of the time, but
need to use some W7 now and then for powder point, etc.

If someone who understands the process underlying the boot system and 
knows if Windows 7 really does require something else now, who can speak
with confidence can enlighten us, I would certainly appreciate it.

Thank you,

jerry
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Re: Dual Boot Windows 7 FreeBSd 8.3

2012-05-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 07:32:06PM -0300, Mario Lobo wrote:

 On Wednesday 23 May 2012 18:49:06 Jerry McAllister wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I have been searching through questions and forums for information
  on dual booting FreeBSD 8.3 on a machine with Windows 7 already on it.
  
  My problem is that the posts seem to go around in circles and be
  contradictory.  I am not sure which to believe.
  
  My new machine has two disk drives.  Windows 7 is on ad0 and I want
  to put FreeBSD 8.3 on ad1, leaving W7 as is.   So, I don't even have
  to shrink a primary slice to do this.
  
  
  Thank you,
  
  jerry
  ___
 
 
 Since each system is going to be on different physical drives, why don't you 
 make things easy for you and just use the BIOS boot menu to choose which 
 drive to boot from?

That surely seems the hard way.Why interrupt the boot and go
in to the BIOS every time when that is all provided for in the
boot structure?

jerry  


 
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Re: AFS install

2012-05-16 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:51:04AM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:

Hello Ben,

Thank you for your response.

I cleaned and then copied the 82 file to 83 and then edited it
to replace all 82-s with 83 or added it where there seemed to be
a list of versions.   It got a lot further, but now dies not finding
another file.

  ../rpc/types.h:77:27: error: rpc/netconfig.h: No such file or directory

I will send along another message with the build script attached.

 Hi Jerry,
 
 On Mon, 14 May 2012, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I installed AMD64 FreeBSD 8.3 on a new machine a couple of days ago.
 It seems fine so far.
 
 This afternoon I tried to install OpenAFS 1.6.0 on it from
  /usr/ports/net/openafs
 
 The configure ran happily and I didn't notice any errors.
 But, the make died soon after starting with the following complaints.
 
  make: don't know how to make ./param.amd64_fbsd_83.h. stop
  *** Error code 2
 
  Stop in /usr/ports/net/openafs/work/openafs-1.6.0.
  ** Error code 1
 
 I presume that means that it does not know about FreeBSD 8.3 yet.
 
 That's right; the OpenAFS build system has lots of history behind it, 
 which means that it is not particularly elegant at handling this sort of 
 thing.

A lot of history.   We have used it at MSU for a long time. 
It was never my project to build or maintain, but I used it a lot.

 
 I rummaged around in the README it left in the ../work directory
 and saw a bunch of AMD64 versions up to 8.1 (and even 9.0) but
 not 8.2 or 8.3.   I noticed in the Makefile where it says:
  IGNORE= Supports FreeBSD 8.0 and later
 I am not sure how that plays in it.   I am definitely not a make hacker.
 
 Anyway, is there a good tinker to get past this
 or do I have to wait until something gets updated in the port?
 
 Or, did I just do something stupid?
 
 No fault on your end; I need to push in updates for 8.3 and 10.0 support 
 but have been busy with schoolwork.

I can sure relate to that.

 For now, if you're up for a little bit of tinkering, you could go in to 
 /usr/ports/net/openafs and 'make clean  make extract', then:
 cd work/openafs-1.6.0/src/config  cp param.amd64_fbsd_82.h 
 param.amd64_fbsd_83.h
 and continue with the usual make install, etc., in 
 /usr/ports/net/openafs/.
 If that still does not compile/run, please send me the build log (or 
 dmesg -a output if a runtime failure) and I will look at it.
 
 Thanks for the report, and sorry to have been so slow at catching up to 
 8.3/10.0.
 
 -Ben Kaduk


Thanks for your help,

jerry
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AFS install

2012-05-14 Thread Jerry McAllister
Hi,

I installed AMD64 FreeBSD 8.3 on a new machine a couple of days ago.
It seems fine so far.

This afternoon I tried to install OpenAFS 1.6.0 on it from
  /usr/ports/net/openafs

The configure ran happily and I didn't notice any errors.
But, the make died soon after starting with the following complaints.

  make: don't know how to make ./param.amd64_fbsd_83.h. stop
  *** Error code 2

  Stop in /usr/ports/net/openafs/work/openafs-1.6.0.
  ** Error code 1

I presume that means that it does not know about FreeBSD 8.3 yet.

I rummaged around in the README it left in the ../work directory
and saw a bunch of AMD64 versions up to 8.1 (and even 9.0) but
not 8.2 or 8.3.   I noticed in the Makefile where it says:
  IGNORE= Supports FreeBSD 8.0 and later
I am not sure how that plays in it.   I am definitely not a make hacker.

Anyway, is there a good tinker to get past this 
or do I have to wait until something gets updated in the port?

Or, did I just do something stupid?
 
 
By the way, I need just the client.   I do not intend to start
a server or a cell on this machine.  I just need to talk to the
cell at work.   Is there a way of only installing the client?
(I think the client is the biggest part, but still, do not need 
 the server part hanging around if it would work happily that way)

Thanks for any help,

jerryJerry McAllisterjerr...@msu.edu 

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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

2012-04-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:40:12PM +0200, Tony wrote:

 Hello!
 
 As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate
 identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a
 design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any
 unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to
 the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look
 at over and over without getting annoyed.
 

Whereas there are a few small things I could see improved in the
FreeBSD website, generally, it is functional and does what it is
supposed to do; provide information about FreeBSD for people looking
for information.   It is not there to be wallpaper for someones desktop.

 The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more
 forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike
 logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool
 the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like what the
 hell *is* that thing anyway? (ref: Tres
 Logoshttp://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332777820sr=8-1

Don't see anything useful there.   
As far as the sextoy logo, can't say that I like it, but Where is
anything better?

 )
 
 Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails
 miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual
 education in design http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/. There is no natural
 flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow and the whole thing just
 comes off as corny http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corny -
 and this makes us all look bad. I also hear
 PostgreSQLhttp://www.postgresql.org/is planning to sue FreeBSD for
 stealing its design.

The FreeBSD site heirarchy of information leading to further information 
is a bit ragged in places, but show us something better.  The Royal Academy 
front page is not too bad of a website home page, but isn't really 
appropriate to FreeBSD.

FreeBSD is a serious working project, not some bling bling sales site.

 
 I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on
 Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw.
 No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward FreeBSD - the
 world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go
 out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as
 current now as it will be a hundred years from now.

There was nothing there.   The site didn't work.

 
 Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when
 there's nothing left to take away.

I looked at the URLs that you include and saw nothing that made
any sense relative to FreeBSD.

The socalled 'design council' page made one of the cardinal errors
in web page design by making it a fixed width beyond the browser
window's size.   It subverts browser reflow.   I hate that.  It
abuses the whole sysem and makes it hard for people so hav a desktop
layout the way they want/need.   eg, it trashes the page.

So, come up with some actually good design before you next barf
all over the list.   Then, maybe someone will incorporate some
of the worthwhile ideas.

jerry

 
 Tony
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Re: FreeBSD losing market share?

2012-04-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 09:37:15AM -0500, Jay West wrote:

 Tony wrote...
 ---
 I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based
 hosting providers in the modern web development
 scenehttp://rubyonrails.org/screencasts/rails3 (Rackspace,
 Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are
 some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but
 those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive.
 
 Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen?
 ---
 
 One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;)
 
 I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have
 to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's
 fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end)
 environments. The answer is:
 
 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the
 running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the
 right direction, but really not the answer.
 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without
 it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting
 environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice
 features aren't available.
 
 If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a
 guest in XenServer hosting providers.


Well, guess you and Tony have some work to do then.
I expect it will be more than a weekend project for you.

jerry


 
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Re: Reading an unknown DAT Tape

2012-03-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 03:17:05PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:

   This is a case of idle curiosity and not an urgent need
 to recover a valuable backup. I found an old DAT tape and
 attempted to read it on the very drive that probably once wrote
 it and it appears to read the tape properly in that I can use dd
 to copy it to a file and mt fsf 5, for example, takes the tape
 to the fifth file marker so there is sanity.
 
   Tar, however, does not recognize the format of the
 archive so it is either something proprietary or I am not using
 the correct utility on it.
 
   I opened it with dd files=2 if=/dev/sa0 of=testfile and
 then did the strings utility on testfile and got:
 
 TAPE
 SSET
 VOLB
 DIRB
 NACL
 Setting security
 iles
 SPAD
 DIRB
 NACL
 Setting security on system files...
 SPAD
 DIRB
 NACL
 SPAD
 DIRB
 NACL
 SPAD
 FILE
 NACL
 STAN
 Jun 23 2003 12:00AM
 Jan 1 1900  8:45AM
 Jan 1 1900  9:00AM

I wondered about it being a dump(8) file, but just tried one and
strings output looked a little different.

How about a db of some sort or a log from some lab test?

jerry



 
   Note that we are obviously able to read data from the
 tape as the top few lines are readible as words. The time stamps
 at the bottom are possibly not time stamps as some of them are
 not plausible.
 
   The dd command never faltered with errors although I
 did finally stop it manually.
 
   Is there any FreeBSD utility that can tell more about
 what created the original archive?
 
   Thank you.
 
 Martin McCormick
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Re: /usr/home vs /home

2012-02-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 06:39:00AM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:

 
   
   AHA.  probably an 'RL-05',  cousin to the better known RK-05
 
 I had a memory fault -- the RLs were the RL-01 and RL-02.
   
   14 media, in a 'cartridge'.   I -think- it was an 'SMD' interface
 
  14 could be true as it just fitted into a 19 rack.
 
 Virtually all 'removable platter' or 'removable pack' storage of the day 
 was 14 media. :)
 
 There were some high-capacity _non-removable-media_ drives that used 
 much larger media.  A friend had a coffee table made from a 45 disk
 platter.

Control Data Corp made the drives with the large platters - 45 sounds
about right.   It was the 808 Disk drive.   It was built on a huge heavy
cast aluminum frame (to counteract vibration)and the heads were 'loaded' 
and positioned hydraulicly.  There was a large and noisy pump unit right 
next to it.  It was quite fast at read/write.   Here one was set up to 
only use a couple of cylinders to reduce seek time and then used as a 
swap disk.

CDC was actually a major disk manufacturer in their day.

I also used that DEC setup with the removable disk cartridges
on a PDP-11 an later on a 8650.   The 8650 had lots of other
disk, but a cartridge was still used for the system controller
that did things like controlling the boot, etc.

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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-20 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:55:01AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or
requesting.
   
   You seem to forget normal users who just want to use the system. 
   They do not think of recovery until it actually happens.
  
  We forgot nothing.   They can just select option 1 and then later
  when something happens so learn otherwise, if they ever do, they
  will have option 3 to more specifically build their system according
  to their newly perceived needs.
 
 where do they get the knowledge from?

Same as always throughout history - from experience.
They can use the default until they discover what suits them better.

jerry


 
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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-20 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 02:22:12AM -0500, Stephen Cook wrote:

 On 2/18/2012 8:03 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
 On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:

 I don't see that this plan adds any significant complication or confusion.
 Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or
 requesting.
 You seem to forget normal users who just want to use the system. They do 
 not think of recovery until it actually happens.
 
 I don't know if I count as a *normal* user but here's my two cents:
 
 Some of you think it isn't a good idea to put everything on one 
 partition. I'm not yet ready to manually set them up. Every time I get 
 into it I read tens of articles and blogs and they all boil down to it 
 depends.
 
 So some middle-ground this guy is willing to learn but can't set it up 
 optimally, and doesn't want a bad config because he is still somewhat 
 confused option should be available, and possibly labeled as such.

So, then, you like the Polytropon schema of three options: two
with fairly reasonable generic options for those who do not
wish to work out any more usage specific pattern plus one for
the person willing and needful of something more specific to
their use - which you never need to study if one of the first
two is satisfactory for you.

jerry



 
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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-20 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 07:38:14PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

 Hi,
 Reference:
  From:   Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net 
  Date:   Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:10:57 -0500 
  Message-id: bb02d7694d475b85761e4...@mac-pro.magehandbook.com 
 
 Daniel Staal wrote:
  --As of February 19, 2012 3:30:15 PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey is alleged to 
  have said:
  
   Beside the point: the Wrong list was posted to.
   questions@ list was created to help beginners,
   not to debate  invite votes to determine future design.
  
   FreeBSD lists have remits so people can read  write lists most
   tuned to interests.  Tossing non beginner support topics in questions@
   deprives other lists. Not all on hackers@ current@  the many other
   list want to be on questions@  vice versa.
  
   Please read list remits  subscribe  post most appropriate list per
   topic.
  
  --As for the rest, it is mine.
  
  I don't get 'beginners' from 'User questions and technical support'.  
 
 I remember when  why the list was set up.
 See src/ etc/motd

Wow, you must be old.

I don't see how this is so OT for a general questions list - regardless
of verbiage about its charter.   A general question was asked and
many people responded in various ways, hopefully all to the benefit
of the FreeBSD system and community.

jerry
   

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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-20 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:14:35PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

   I remember when  why the list was set up.
   See src/ etc/motd
 
  I don't see how this is so OT for a general questions list - regardless
  of verbiage about its charter.   A general question was asked and
  many people responded in various ways, hopefully all to the benefit
  of the FreeBSD system and community.
 
 FreeBSD thrives on co-operation.  Conforming to FreeBSD lists remits
 is part of the co-operation,  a requirement to post to lists.
 Read, memorise  conform by posting to list with most appropriate remit 
 on a per thread basis.
   http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

Yes.  I have read this and find that this thread conforms to what is
described on that page.   

  This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD.  You should not 
  send how to questions to the technical lists unless you consider the 
  question to be pretty technical.

So, the OP posted a question about normal and/or preferred use 
of FreeBSD and people responded.  Or do you consider this thread 
to be too technical?   Maybe the discussion could fit in Hackers.

jerry

 
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Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?)

2012-02-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:16:34PM -0500, Daniel Staal wrote:

 --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have 
 said:
 
 Well, to be honest, I never liked the old style default
 with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_
 default style for separated partitions include:
 
  /
  swap
  /tmp
  /var
  /usr
  /home
 
 In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions
 with intendedly limited sizes.
 
 You can see that all user data is kept independently from
 the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to
 a separate home disk if needed.
 
 --As for the rest, it is mine.
 
 I'm in agreement with you on that I like to have /home be a separate 
 partition, and not under /usr.  (Of course, my current zfs system has 40 
 partitions...)  Partly though I recognize that I like it because that's 
 what I'm used to, and how I learned to set it up originally.  (My first 
 unix experience was with OpenBSD, over 10 years ago now.)
 
 I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under 
 /usr though.  I figure there must be a decent reason why.  Would anyone 
 care to enlighten me?  What are the perceived advantages?  (Particularly if 
 you then make a symlink to /home.)
 
 Just a question that's been bugging me, as I read through different FreeBSD 
 docs.

I think it was just ancient history when everything was small and besides 
root, swap and /tmp was in /usr.

jerry

  
 
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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:

 
 
 On 2/17/12 11:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
  Hiya,
 [snip]
  We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as
  one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We
  want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four
  partitions and swap when selecting Guided Partitioning and Use Entire
  Disk.
  
  Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Dave
  
 
 Seeing as people using the default are likely to be novices, I vote in
 favor of ONE.
 
 The reasoning being that novices are less likely to be able to correctly
 size their /usr and /var than a seasoned sysadmin.

So, we have now had scads of 'discussion' about schemes for disk
partitioning and there were a bunch, plus arguments about which is
the best with each person convinced that theirs is.

As far as I can see, this all leads to the conclusion that the one 
design that gives a reasonable and simple set of choices for all fits 
the FreeBSD model  that of providing a well made system and allowing 
the user/sysadmin to configure it the way [s]he wants/needs rather than 
imposing a common usage on everyone.   Next we'll be arguing about which
windows manager is mandatory for users to include at install time.

So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good.   Or, I could even
suggest just two choices.  

 [ ] all in one + swap
   Create one partition containing all subtrees
   plus one swap partition.
   
 [ ] user-defined
   Make your own partitioning selection manually.
   (Both number and size of partitions)
   with a reasonable way to specify partitions and sizes.
   The old Sysinstall way is not bad, but if it obsolete, 
   then something as easy that fits the new GPT based system.

But, that middle choice that Polytropon suggested is OK to include
if you think it is needed.  /, /tmp, /usr, /var, [/home] +swap

I don't see that this plan adds any significant complication or confusion.
Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or
requesting.

jerry 

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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 08:03:39AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
  On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
  
  So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good.   Or, I could even
  suggest just two choices.  
  
 yes, three options is ok.
 
   [ ] all in one + swap
 Create one partition containing all subtrees
 plus one swap partition.
 
   [ ] user-defined
 Make your own partitioning selection manually.
 (Both number and size of partitions)
 with a reasonable way to specify partitions and sizes.
 The old Sysinstall way is not bad, but if it obsolete, 
 then something as easy that fits the new GPT based system.
  
 A normal user will use the first option here and get screwed when the file 
 system got affected by a power failure. The second option is not an option 
 for a general user.
 
  But, that middle choice that Polytropon suggested is OK to include
  if you think it is needed.  /, /tmp, /usr, /var, [/home] +swap
 
 Yes, I strong urge you to leave this at least as an option. 
 Just with a larger / slice of 1 or better 2GB.
  
  I don't see that this plan adds any significant complication or confusion.
  Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or
  requesting.
 
 You seem to forget normal users who just want to use the system. 
 They do not think of recovery until it actually happens.

We forgot nothing.   They can just select option 1 and then later
when something happens so learn otherwise, if they ever do, they
will have option 3 to more specifically build their system according
to their newly perceived needs.

jerry

 
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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:05:23PM -0800, Robison, Dave wrote:

 Hiya,
 
 A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as 
 opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD.
 
 It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap 
 as such:
 
 /
 /tmp
 /var
 /usr
 swap
 
 The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which 
 creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a 
 single / partition as such:
 
 /
 swap
 
 We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style default 
 with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and 
 swap.



I much prefer to have the choice to create partitions as I need.
My typical default is:

  / 
  /tmp
  /usr
  /var
  /homeor some other name such as /work
  swap

That looks like 5 plus swap to me.

I also want to decide the size of partitions.
I have never found the default sizes to be servicable or adequate.


Having said this, I occasionally have created servers with 
just root and swap.   It depends on circumstances and need
and I hope not to lose the option to choose or to have that 
option require some complicated and arcane/hidden procedure 
to choose other than the default.

I have never had problems with getting disks built, newfs-ed 
and mounted using the Sysinstall controlled stuff.  There are 
other things that Sysinstall needed, but choosing/creating 
partitions was not a problem.

I understand that going to GPT means some changes, but I am
sure that it should be able to create partitions of any size 
with probably a larger range of identifiers.  Since my new 
machines have not arrived yet (expecting soon), I haven't
explored the magic of GPT and am still rather foggy on where
it fits in the overall picture.  I am looking forward to get it
insinuated in to my thick head soon.

BSDinstall control of partitioning should just be adding features 
and capacity and not removing any options (except if there are 
some that are actually obsolete).  Having said that, upgrading 
the language and the way options and sizes are specified is fine 
with me as long as it is all there, available and clearly labeled 
and documented.

Thanks for asking,

jerry


 
 This is not a discussion of MBR vs GPT. The default moving forward from 
 9.x will be to use GPT.
 
 We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as 
 one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We 
 want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four 
 partitions and swap when selecting Guided Partitioning and Use Entire 
 Disk.
 
 Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
 
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Re: One or Four?

2012-02-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
 
  Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
 
 Why not add a selection to the installer, something like
 this:
 
   Partition scheme
   
 
   [ ] all in one + swap
   Create one partition containing all subtrees
   plus one swap partition.
 
   [ ] separate partitioning + swap
   Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home)
   partitions plus one swap partition.
 
   [ ] user-defined
   Make your own partitioning selection manually.
 
 Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be
 reasonable.
 

Yes.  Yes.   This is the way to go.

jerry


 
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Re: 'rm' Can not delete files

2012-02-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:34:20AM -0500, Henry Olyer wrote:

 So what do I change if I want to increase the shell's file limit?

You don't want to diddle the shell. 
Use the correct UNIX utilities such as - for, xargs or find - in this 
case as have been suggested by other responders.   That is the way it
is done (and done better) in UNIX.

 
 I use bash 4.

OK.  So??

 I never learned a shell language.  I suppose no one is as dumb as someone
 who choose's not to learn, so, what's the right one.  csh?, because I do a
 lot of scientific work?, or should I be looking at another?
 

Probably doesn't matter that much what type of work you are
doing.  It matters more what the users of a system tend to use.

In FreeBSD it is  tcsh  which is basically an extension of csh.
Actually, nowdays on FreeBSD, csh is just a link to tcsh anyway.

On Lunix, I think most people use bash, so if you are there, do that.

There are some small differences that are meaningful depending on 
what kind of scripting you are doing.   But, mostly it doesn't matter
a lot.

jerry

 
 
 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM, andrew clarke m...@ozzmosis.com wrote:
 
  On Tue 2012-02-07 23:17:16 UTC+, RW (rwmailli...@googlemail.com)
  wrote:
 
   On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:14:56 +
   Matthew Seaman wrote:
  
ls -1 | xargs rm
  
   but be aware that that wont work for filenames with spaces.
 
  In addition, I don't believe it solves the OP's initial problem of the
  argument list being too long!  You'd probably need to use the xargs -n
  switch here.
 
  The above will also try to 'rm' directories, which won't work.
 
  Instead I would use 'find':
 
  find . -type f -depth 1 -delete
 
  This will also work with filenames with spaces.
 
  Or the scenic route, using xargs, with one rm per file (slower):
 
  find . -type f -depth 1 -print0 | xargs -n1 -0 rm -f
 
  (The scenic route is useful if you want to do something else with
  the files instead of deleting them with rm.)
 
  Regards
  Andrew
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Re: Removal of content from the mailing list

2012-02-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:03:46AM +0800, yt wrote:

 Who should I talk to about removing a thread from the mailing list?

As has been mentioned many times in the lists - it's a lost cause.

These lists are archived, mirrored and otherwise duplicated hundreds
or even thousands of times around the world.   There is no way to
get something removed from all of that - even if there was a procedure
for getting it off the main list.

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Re: Mailing list recommend

2012-02-05 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:59:06PM -, Graham Bentley wrote:

 Default Mail SignatureHi All - can anyone recommend an easy / simple mailing 
 list software?
 All I need is to subscribe/ un-subscribe and a little maintainance of
 users. MySQL if its worth it, or a just php? Any pointers appreciated! 

try mailman.   You may hink it to be overkil for your purpose, but
it is good and fairly easy to set up and use.

jerry 
   
 
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Re: Horrible installer (was: Re: FreeBSD 9)

2012-01-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 09:52:17AM -0600, Mark Felder wrote:

 On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:40:42 -0600, je...@seibercom.net wrote:
 
 On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:27:32 -0600
 Mark Felder articulated:
 
 Just as you don't get to express your opinion about the government if
 you don't vote,
 
 Excuse me, but are you just trying to look naive?
 
 
 The wording wasn't exactly as clear as it should have been, and I don't  
 feel like seeing this thread degrade into politics and conspiracy  
 theories. I should have known better.
 
 To clarify:
 
 Don't complain about major changes in -RELEASE if you refused to  
 participate in the release process.  (and bsdinstaller was HIGHLY  
 publicized for a solid year before 9.0-RELEASE.)

I understand the theory, but in reality, not everyone has the 
resources to frequently try out CURRENT or even STABLE as  
sort of Beta tests.   It is good for those who can.

In spite of that, it is good - a part of the development process - 
that people do post their complaints and concerns.  Of course, the
sendpr process is the canonical method, but really, many of these
comments need some discussion before they are ready for prime time -
eg to be posted by sendpr.   Frankly, many of the comments are rather
half baked and many are really just personal preferences that are
not actually technical failings.

That does not make them unvaluable.  It ends up being sort of an 
Email BOF session like one might get into in a FreeBSD or USENIX
conference.  That hashing out is where many new ideas and features
start and get vetted and may eventually get worked on by people able 
to do it.

The one failing I frequently see in the complaint posts and the
responses by other complainers is too frequently a lack of civility
and respect for people who are doing the work of creating and 
maintaining this system and for those who are making complaints 
and stating personal preferences (true on other similar lists such 
as CentOS, etc too).   It is not necessary or helpful to ascribe all 
sorts of negative attributes and motives to those doing the work or 
to those making comments and complaints.   Just state your bit, then 
shut your digital mouth.

jerry
  
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2012-01-04 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:47:52PM -0800, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:

 Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest,

Note that there are more than one persons using the name Jerry.
Where I might dip in to an argument a bit, especially if I see
humor in it, I never flame people or use such extravagant language
in public posts.

I also never sell arms to the little people.

jerry
   

 
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation

2012-01-03 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:01:47AM -0600, Mark Felder wrote:

 On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote:
 
 I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour
 software, why does it run half the Internet?
 
 This must be a mistake. I was just assured this weekend that FreeBSD is a  
 niche OS.

Yah, and hat is its niche.

jerry


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Re: Same version on binary packages and updated ports

2011-12-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 05:16:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:

Hi,

I am not expert on all this, but can give a couple of impressions.

 Hello,
 
 I am giving my firsts steps with FreeBSD.

Welcome to FreeBSD.  It is a good system.

 I've searched a lot in google, mailing list, forums, freebsd
 handbook and I am still not clear about the following.
 
 In a RELEASE fresh install, after updating the ports using i.e.
 portsnap, the packages downloaded with pkp_add -r are older
 versions respect their port counterparts, leading to
 dependencies issues.  So, once the ports tree is updated:
 
 1) Am I forced to compile all?

Anything that has changed and anything that depends on those things.
That can mean a lot of recompiling.

 
 2) Should I use STABLE to get the same versions with pkg_add
 than compiling up to date ports?  Are STABLE packages compiled
 from this ports?

Check this page:

   http://www.freebsd.org/ports/

It's more accurate than what I started to wrie.

The ports tree and the OS release generally sync up when a RELEASE
comes out, but that soon begins to diverge as ports are changed.
Ports are worked on independently by port maintainers.   

jerry



 3) In case my assumption above is correct; taking in care that
 in a production system it is advisable (handbook) to stay with
 RELEASE, should I avoid updating the ports tree in i.e. a server
 machine?  What to do with broken ports in this case?
 
 Resuming, is there a default way to install-update the software
 keeping ports and binary packages in one piece?  What is
 advisable in general terms for a desktop and what for a server?
 
 It will be enough for me if someone just point me to documentation.
 
 Big thanks
 
 
   Walter
 
 
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Re: Installing free bsd

2011-12-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:

 Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
 was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
 Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
 Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?

Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
other processing or formatting that may be done.   

I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
done anything that sounded like that.

You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd 
and fixate it.  Then boot it.

jerry  
 
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Re: Installing free bsd

2011-12-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
First of all, always include the list in a response to something
from the list.   Other people will be reading and may well know
more than me or any other person who responds.   eg, don't just 
send the follow-on question back to the one responding.  Send it
to the list.


On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 04:26:06PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:

 do direct ftp to disk? And what do you mean by fixate?

No.  You ftp the file down to the local machine and then use a CD burning 
utility to burn file to the CD.   On FreeBSD there is one called 'burncd'.
I am not familiar with the ones on a MS system, but there are several
available.   Maybe someone else will suggest one or there is probably
some information in the handbook.

Fixate is something that finishes writing a terminal record on
the CD image or something like that.  I don't really know in
detail.   I think some burner utilities do it automatically with
no choice.   The burncd utility needs to have you specify it.

jerry


 
 On 12/12/11, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:
  On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
 
  Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
  was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
  Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
  Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?
 
  Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
  image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
  other processing or formatting that may be done.
 
  I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
  done anything that sounded like that.
 
  You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd
  and fixate it.  Then boot it.
 
  jerry
 
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Re: file system on 9.0

2011-11-20 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:25:35AM +, Thomas Mueller wrote:

 from darc...@gmail.com (Denise H. G.):
 
  I strongly advise that /usr and /usr/local reside on different
  partitions. Furthermore, If you plan to run a desktop environment, your
  /usr/local should be big enough, say 8G - 10G, to hold all stuff you
  built from the ports. And putting /var on a separate partitiion is a
  good idea, I think.
  
 
 I don't like to put /var on a separate partition because of the danger 
 of running short of space.  I had nervous moments when running 
 freebsd-update on the older computer and seeing the used part of /var grow.

For that very reason, I put /var on a separate partition.   Stuff being
written to /var is most likely to over run stuff and trash a / partition.

jerry





 
 I don't really see a need to put /usr/local on a separate partition, though 
 conceivably you could build applications with both FreeBSD ports and NetBSD 
 pkgsrc, but keep these separate.  NetBSD pkgsrc has been ported to other 
 (quasi-)Unixes including FreeBSD.  Default directory corresponding to 
 FreeBSD's /usr/local is /usr/pkg .
 
 I think I like FreeBSD ports better than NetBSD pkgsrc, the latter which I 
 used only with NetBSD.
 
 I originally installed FreeBSD 9.0-BETA1 using bsdinstall on the USB stick, 
 including the ports.
 
 There was a conflict when I ran portsnap fetch update, that didn't work.  I 
 had to run portsnap fetch and portsnap extract, scrapping the ports tree 
 from bsdinstall in favor of the fresh ports tree.  So now I know best to not 
 install ports tree from bsdinstall; this would presumably apply for 
 sysinstall too.
 
 Tom
 
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Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 07:55:02AM -0500, Jerry wrote:

 On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:57 -0300
 Mario Lobo articulated:
 
  Aren't there enough laws already to protect copyright?
 
 Laws to protect copyrighted or patented goods certainly exist.
 Unfortunately, they are poorly enforced. There is no universal
 standard for copyright infringement, etcetera. The best way to
 protect copyrighted material is stopping its pilferage at the source;
 ie, making every entity in the chain of its illegal usage responsible.

So, implementing yet another law that will be poorly enforced will
help the problem??? 

This thing is a lawyers' bonanza, not a protection for content
creators.   Let the feeding frenzy begin - ???.   

jerry


 
 Theft is theft no matter how a socialist/fascist tries to color it.
 
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 Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored.
 Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
 
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Re: Urgent!. Problem with / etc / rc.conf

2011-11-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 01:10:28AM -0300, Zantgo wrote:

 Without wanting to erase all contents of / etc / rc.conf, by 
 running echo slim_enable = YES  / etc / rc.conf. 
 Please help!.

First, please learn to break your lines at about 70 characters.  It makes
it easier to reply appropriately.

Second, you should learn to use a text editor - most particularly
the vi(1) editor wihch is distributed in /usr/bin/vi 
That will help your system administration a whole lot.

Here is a web page with simplified info on using vi on a basic level.

http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/

Third, to append to a file instead of replacing it when using echo double 
the '' character - as in  

In your example, it would be:  echo 'slim_enable=YES'  /etc/rc.conf

jerry

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Re: Problem with X

2011-11-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:40:10PM -0300, Zantgo wrote:

 on the console keyboard and mouse do work

Did you run  X config

It is one of the steps in the Handbook

You can fake a .Xauthority and get rid of the message by doing
  touch .Xauthority
in your home directory (and in roots home)

jerry

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Re: Three button mouse emulation

2011-10-25 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 07:06:08AM -1000, Open Slate wrote:

 A simple way to enable three button mouse emulation is to put
 
 mouse_flags=-3
 
 in /etc/rc.conf. I cannot find this documented anywhere. Section 4.5 of the
 faq mentions this feature and refers to the moused man page, where we are
 told to pass -3 to moused. Similar treatment in the handbook. Section
 2.10.10. Only a seasoned veteran would think to look in
 /etc/defaults/rc.conf.
 
 This trick is especially useful to laptop users and should be in the
 handbook.

I just did an install of 8.2 and followed the documentation quite
closely (unlike usual) and saw it mentioned in two different places.
But, I sure can't find it right now.

jerry


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Re: can't find installed executables

2011-10-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:09:40AM +0200, Jim jim wrote:

Jim,

First, just a politeness thing; please break your lines at about 72
character length.   It helps in reading and responding to your
questions.   Most Email clients allow you to set a line length.

 
 Hallo,
 I'm kind of new to FreeBSD and installed the latest version a few days ago, 
 it gave me the option to install some packages and I chose some of them like 
 'FlightGear' for example.But now I don't know how to execute this game or any 
 other program I got installed. I can find the folder and it's like 
 /usr/ports/games/flightgear but there is the Makefile so I think that is the 
 installation folder and i also tried to install it but than it shows me that 
 it is already installed.Could you tell me which one is the executable and how 
 to run it or where I can find it?
 Hope you can help me with this.

Besides the comments that some others have made, you might want to
learn about which(1), although in the case of flightgear it might not
have helped much because the installed name is a bit hard to guess 
from the name of the port.   But, most binaries pretty much follow
the name of the port.

That 'rehash' is also important.   When you first start a csh or tcsh
shell, it sets up a known picture of where things it knows about live.  
If you add something, it will ot know about it until something happens
to cause it to remake its list.  The Rehash command will do that.  Run
it before running the which.

jerry


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 Jim van Dooren. 
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Re: dump/restore, how to reduce slice size

2011-09-30 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 03:41:26PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:

 
 
 On 9/29/11 10:09 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote:
  On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:36:38PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote:
  
  Hi, Freebsd-questions.
 
  # df -h
  Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
  /dev/ad4s1a  2G206M1.6G11%/
  devfs  1.0k1.0k  0B   100%/dev
  /dev/ad4s1e3.9G 13M3.6G 0%/tmp
  /dev/ad4s1f 40G 25G 12G67%/usr
  /dev/ad4s1d 31G3.6G 24G13%/var
  procfs 4.0k4.0k  0B   100%/proc
  /dev/ad2s1f 39G 25G 10G71%/mnt
  devfs  1.0k1.0k  0B   100%/var/named/dev
 
 
  as you can see /dev/ad4s1f is 40G and /dev/ad2s1f is 39G
  but on ad4s1f only 25G used.
 
  How can I dump /dev/ad4s1f and restore it on /dev/ad2s1f?
 
  These commands:
  #mount /dev/ad2s1f /mnt
  #cd /mnt
  #dump -0Lf - /usr | restore -rf -
  does not help, because of ad2s1f does not have space to restore
  'end of ' /dev/ad4s1f.
 
  May help any?
  
  Well, you are going to have difficulty putting 50 GB on a 39 GB partition.
 (25GB + 25GB = 50GB).
  It won't work.
  
  You could try compressing the dump, but dump files do not tend
  to compress well and even if you got a 50% compression, you would
  still be really close to overfill.
  
  Probably you need to go to the store and get a nice big USB drive
  and slice and partition it in to a bunch of 50 GB partitions and
  pipe your dump to a restore in those partitions on that drive.
  You can round-robin your backups to those USB partitions.
  
  My backup to a USB hard drive just saved me the beginning of
  this week when the old machine died of heat prostration.
  
 
 
 Dump is supposed to take only the used space.

 Yes.  He already has 25 GB used on the partition and wants
to add another approx 25 GB in a 39 GB partition.  There ain't room.

jerry

 
 @OP, refer the following link for correct dump/restore syntax:
 http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_tt_dump_tt_with_compression
 
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Re: dump/restore, how to reduce slice size

2011-09-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:36:38PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote:

 Hi, Freebsd-questions.
 
 # df -h
 Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
 /dev/ad4s1a  2G206M1.6G11%/
 devfs  1.0k1.0k  0B   100%/dev
 /dev/ad4s1e3.9G 13M3.6G 0%/tmp
 /dev/ad4s1f 40G 25G 12G67%/usr
 /dev/ad4s1d 31G3.6G 24G13%/var
 procfs 4.0k4.0k  0B   100%/proc
 /dev/ad2s1f 39G 25G 10G71%/mnt
 devfs  1.0k1.0k  0B   100%/var/named/dev
 
 
 as you can see /dev/ad4s1f is 40G and /dev/ad2s1f is 39G
 but on ad4s1f only 25G used.
 
 How can I dump /dev/ad4s1f and restore it on /dev/ad2s1f?
 
 These commands:
 #mount /dev/ad2s1f /mnt
 #cd /mnt
 #dump -0Lf - /usr | restore -rf -
 does not help, because of ad2s1f does not have space to restore
 'end of ' /dev/ad4s1f.
 
 May help any?

Well, you are going to have difficulty putting 50 GB on a 39 GB partition.
   (25GB + 25GB = 50GB).
It won't work.

You could try compressing the dump, but dump files do not tend
to compress well and even if you got a 50% compression, you would
still be really close to overfill.

Probably you need to go to the store and get a nice big USB drive
and slice and partition it in to a bunch of 50 GB partitions and
pipe your dump to a restore in those partitions on that drive.
You can round-robin your backups to those USB partitions.

My backup to a USB hard drive just saved me the beginning of
this week when the old machine died of heat prostration.

jerry


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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 09:10:22AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote:

 On 09/23/11 14:11, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 Why would you interject NFS in the middle of it? jerry
 There would be no middle.  I would run rsyncd or nfsd, but not both.

Ah, I get it.  In that case, I think rsync is probably more useful
than NFS because it can check and only copy modified files.

Alternatively, if you are doing backups to recover from system
failures - such as a disk crash, you would probably prefer dump(8)/restore(8)
They can write to a file on the other machine, can do change dumps
and they preserve all the needed UNIX attributes.   

I actually do a dump piped to a restore on another disk as a convenient 
backup to handle my all too frequent cases of fumble fingers and sleep
deprived bad thinking where I need to quickly get back a file I mangled, 
deleted or need to start over on.   Restore can easily pull single files
or directory trees from a dump file as well.  But having it already
pre-restored makes it easier -- and only doubles my disk use - disk is
cheap isn't it.

jerry
  
 
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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 02:04:03PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote:

 I am looking into finally setting up a backup solution that's a little 
 more sophisticated than a bunch of DVD-RWs.  I have two servers.  I'd 
 like to make each a backup server for the other.  I'm considering using 
 rsync.

 Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool?

rsync can be used effectively.  The optimum solution really depends on 
how much total disk and how much changes between each run.

 Should I use the rsyncd or should I use NFS?  I'm using 100 mbps ethernet.
 What's the better solution I haven't considered?

Why would you interject NFS in the middle of it?

jerry

 
 Thanks,
 Jason
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Re: much to my surprise....

2011-09-22 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:14:50PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:

  From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Thu Sep 22 14:30:49 2011
  Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:30:54 -0700
  From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org
  To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Cc: 
  Subject: much to my surprise
 
 
  guys,
 
  well, after a forced, unexpected, and emergency 5 days away, i got
  back to my desk and could not ping.  while mail seemed to be working, 
  and my *local* ping worked---I could ping around from my freebsd server
  to my other computers--i spent 3+ hours trying to ping various
  sites.  Zero.  i tried everything i could think of.  NOTHING worked.  
  i tried the -d -f -f to named and on and on and on.  nothing.
 
  *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
  LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
  default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
  and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
  network things will work too.  
 
  from any/all sysadmin types or others::
  i would like tricks, tips, insights--whatever--about named and
  whatever else.  i thought i had collected many.  nope.i've got
  bind 9.8 installed and it was working fine until my recent
  'vacation.'  Other than checking one's routers (hub/switch), and other 
  hardware (including server, computers, cables, etc) does anybody have a
  checklist of what to do to diagnose this?  are there any other
  utilities i can try besides ping and named -d 3 -f -g?   other
  network utilities with a debug flag?  i'm running 7.3 on a dell 530.
 
  tia for any insights,
 
 You should _really_ consider hiring a professional to maintain your 
 systems.
 
 Diagnosing _this_ problem should have taken no more than about 30
 *seconds*. 
 
 If you can't get somewhere 'by name', you try to get there 'by address'.
 
 If 'by address' works and 'by name' doesn't, *that* is the indication of
 a DNS problem.
 
 If you can't get there 'by address', it is *NOT* a DNS problem, and you 
 start looking for a 'connectivity' problem.
 
 The *BASIC* tools for that start with 'traceroute'.  Which would have
 *immediately* (well, within abut ten seconds :) indicated exactly _where_ 
 the problem was.
 
 Those  who don't understand these kind dof things are too dangerous
 to be trusted with the superuser password.
 
 Bluntly, not only do you not know the things you need to know to manage
 a (even 'personal') network, you DON'T KNOW _what_ you don't know, and 
 until you *do* learn the basics, you'll save youself a *LOT* of hair-
 tearing if you hire someone to solve the problems for you.


While your information may be correct and useful, your self-righteous
arrogant diatribe is not helpful or appropriate on this list.  

jerry 
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Re: Hi

2011-08-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 02:09:30PM -0700, Spencer Thompson wrote:

You have an interesting thing to start on and a worthwhile place
to begin your exploration, but you will need to do some studying.

It will be necessary to explore some things on the net.  
The Handbook is a good place to start.  There are other things
besides the Handbook that provide good information.  Some are pointed
to on the FreeBSD web page and some you can find with a little searching.

You can also buy some good books on installing, configuring and using
FreeBSD.

If you are unwilling to to the preparation - studying, searching
and downloading, you will probably not be successful.  So, if your
interest is real, start now to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

FreeBSD is a very good OS, even for a laptop.  You might have to 
verify that drivers are available for the particular peripherals
on the laptop you with to use.

You can purchase a CD set or DVD from which to install the latest
RELEASE of FreeBSD, but after installing, you will want to upgrade
to the latest security update which will happen by download over
the net.   You will also want to install some ports.  You will really
want to install the latest of those as well and that will requite
downloads over the net.  The update and port install utilities all
take care of these things for you.   Read and follow the Handbook.

Unless you choose not to, the OS man pages will be installed when
you do the main installation.   Then when you install a port, it
will install the man page for that port.  So, you can read man
pages locally - offline if needed.

Have fun.  You may think it is too hard, but in just a few days
of work and play, you will discover it is worth the effort.

jerry



 Dear FreeBSD.org,
 
 I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad.  What is the
 best package to get?  Will it work perfectly?  I want a package with the
 manual, man-pages and how to use FreeBSD perfectly in books.
 
 What does Free in FreeBSD mean?  Does it mean Free as in Free of charge?  Or
 is there an alternate meaning?
 
 I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop.  Is this the one?  Why
 is it free of charge when I want to pay for it?  I don't want something
 stupid.
 
 I don't want to read the man-pages on the internet.  Or the manual on the
 internet.  Nor download anything.  I don't like that.
 
 Does it come with all the applications I need for business and marketing?
  That's all I need.
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Re: 9.0-RC1 Release?

2011-08-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 01:52:02AM -0500, Nathaniel Torbett wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Distrowatch has you slated to release 9.0-RC1 on 8/24.  I cannot find the
 release for download.  Is this delayed and is there a new release
 date/schedule?

Anyone, even Distrowatch, who posts a specific date for a release before 
it happens doesn't know what they are talking about,  At best, then
are guessing.FreeBSD creates target dates for certain aspects of
the work to help focus the work, but these are not official release dates.

jerry


 
 Thank you,
 
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Re: A quality operating system

2011-08-20 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:47:04PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me.
 
 Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary.
 Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD.
 
 What is odd about this is that he's the biggest UNIX fanatic I know,
 not only all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all
 Unix-like OSen.
 
 I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and 
 security.
 
 He asked me a question that stopped me dead:
 
 What is a quality operating system?
 

One that works reliably - like FreeBSD.

I hope it is confy under that bridge.

jerry


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Re: new to os

2011-08-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 03:18:09PM -0700, scott mcclellan wrote:

 I'm looking to try something different with my machine (or maybe I'm 
 going through a midlife crisis).
  
 Currently run Wimdows (point and click), and would like to gravitate 
 back to DOS (this is a thing of the ancient past for me 30 years - on 
 a TRS-80). I know remember extremely little of OS vernacular.
  
 Am I biting off more than I can chew, or is there a OS commands for 
 dummies out there, or does FreeBSD have such a critter that one can 
 go through.

I am not sure what you are trying to do here.   If it is to learn a
modern command line oriented system to replace all of the GUI, only 
can do what the author already thought up stuff like MS, then FreeBSD 
is a very good choice, probably the best.

If it is to really get a DOS or CPM system, then, I think there some
DOS emulators that used to work under FreeBSD, but I have never tried
them.   Some people also promote FreeDOS for this.  

 I'll pour through the FAQ and got hrough the online manuals for now. 
 But it all seems greek. Can someone point me in a diresction to 
 degreek this stuff for me.

There are some other tutorials and attempts at documentation out
on the net in various places.  Google is your friend for these.
They can help fill in some of the initial empty spaces.

Otherwise, the best thing for learning FreeBSD is to take the
FreeBSD Handbook in one hand, an install CD/DVD in another and
the keyboard in your remaining hand and do a couple of installs
on an otherwise unused machine.  Once you get a base system in
and running, try some stuff.   When you destroy it, install it
again.   You won't kill it very many times before you have a 
good handle on it and then find out it is extremely stable and
survives pretty harsh mistreatment.

Start with the latest RELEASE which is 8.2 and go from there.
Just follow the Handbook instructions and it works.

jerry


  
 Thanks,
  
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Re: free sco unix

2011-06-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
 bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
  I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a
  notary public 'witness' the signature.
 
 True.
 
 Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think)
 only the US offers, and when you need a legally binding official stamp of
 some sort, you can go to a registered public notary. They're mildly expensive
 though; certainly a lot more expensive than the US Copyright Office fees.

Have you ever had something notarized?   I have had many things.  It is
not generally expensive.  They ask $5 - $20 and many banks will have
someone who will do it for for free if you have an account in the bank.
That is much cheaper than doing an officialy USA registration.
What the Notary notarizes is your signature being done at that place and on
that date.   

jerry   


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Re: Skyip? question

2011-05-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:20:10PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:

 
 Hey Guys,
 
 What does the list think of XBill's buyout of Skype?  i know there is probably
 a port for this for the BSD'S.  ISn't it just a VOIP thing... maybe with some
 video glued on?

I am sure MS will find a way to use it to coerce users to buy the
rest of their system.  What else is new.

 (How hard/easy woold be be to hack out a better one...or do GOOG and YHOO
 already have their own versions of skyip?)

It has been done a few times.  Some phone service companies also
do essentially the same thing with a proprietary software.

 Lastly, a few years ago, somebody on this list said that skype was free like
 free beer.  Pretty sure they had that saying when i was a kind back in the
 twelfth century, but still have no ides what it means, so  would appreciate it
 from my fellow geeks who get that 'free-beer' swipe.

I always thought, used that way, it meant that the sign may say 'Free Beer'
but if you take it, you have sold your soul or some other body part
unknowingly.  They're going to get you some way.   But, I never have
heard any official definition.

jerry


 
 thanx,
 
 gary
 
 
 
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 The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php
http://journey.thought.org
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  Ju ST released: http://transfinite.thought.org/17da.html
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Re: Established method to enable suid scripts?

2011-05-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:13:50AM -0700, Chris Telting wrote:

 On 05/11/2011 07:14, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 05:54:04PM -0700, Chris Telting wrote:
 
 I've googled for over an hour.
 
 I'm not looking to get into a discussion on security or previous bugs
 that are currently fixed.  Suid in and of itself is a security issue.
 But if you are using suid it it should work; I don't want to use a
 kludge and I don't want to use sudo.  I'm hoping it's a setting that is
 just disabled by default.
 My understanding is that in general the system does not allow SUID
 on scripts.   The way I have gotten around that (a long time ago)
 was to create a small binary that exec's the script and making
 the binary SUID.
 
 
 Well it's all hacks and in my not so humble option like chasing your 
 tail.  The assumption is that if someone creates an executable 
 (assumption is programming is C) they are more credible not to make 
 mistakes.  That's a fallacy and just plain nuts.  And I'm an interpreted 
 language snob saying that.  Suid is either allowable or not and should 
 be a sysctl and apply equally to binaries and scripts.  Yet another 
 thing to add to my project list.  Anyone know of an established patch 
 for fix this freebsd issue or am I yet again going to have to create my own?

Guess you will have to do your own.

It's not a problem for the rest of us.

jerry

 
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Re: Established method to enable suid scripts?

2011-05-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 05:54:04PM -0700, Chris Telting wrote:

 I've googled for over an hour.
 
 I'm not looking to get into a discussion on security or previous bugs 
 that are currently fixed.  Suid in and of itself is a security issue.  
 But if you are using suid it it should work; I don't want to use a 
 kludge and I don't want to use sudo.  I'm hoping it's a setting that is 
 just disabled by default.

My understanding is that in general the system does not allow SUID
on scripts.   The way I have gotten around that (a long time ago)
was to create a small binary that exec's the script and making
the binary SUID.

Security cautions apply.

jerry


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Re: Newbie Needing Help

2011-05-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 03:44:57PM -0500, Antonio Olivares wrote:

  There's also ee in the base system, which is good enough for editing
  configuration files, and is much easier for a casual user. The benefits
  of vi and emacs are mostly for developers.
 
  It's not just for software development.  I use Vim for writing code, but
  I also use it for writing in English -- professional work on articles,
  development of traditional (non-computer) RPG systems, fiction,
  configuration files, notes to myself, and composing emails (including
  this one).
 
  --
 
 I have seen vi vs emacs, kde vs gnome, but vim is different from vi correct?
 It is dfferent from system to system.  There are like different versions
 vi and vim is vi improved right?

I was always told that vim is a more 'friendly' version of vi, but
I never bothered to learn vim to find out.  vi was easy enough.

Anyway, the two biggest reasons to at least become comfortable using vi
are:  that it is everywhere.  When you are doing sysadmin stuff, you
may need to use it, even if your most used editor is something else.
and that vi doesn't put any junk in the file like some formatting text
editors do. 

An easy to learn table of vi information is at:

  http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/

jerry 

 
 By the way, I remember a quote:
 
 
 Hello.  My $NAME is ~inigo-montoya.  You killed my process.  Prepare
 to vi.  --The Unix's Bride

Cute.


 
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Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE

2011-05-04 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 08:48:55PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:

 --As of May 3, 2011 5:33:23 PM -0400, Jerry McAllister is alleged to have 
 said:
 
 I don't remember seeing that.
 Anyway, go to the FreeBSD Release Engineering web site for information.
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html
 
 --As for the rest, it is mine.
 
 While that *should* be good advice, the most current 'upcoming releases' it 
 lists are 8.2 and 7.4, both released a couple of months ago now.  (Which it 
 does say, at least.)  So it's really fairly useless at the moment.
 
 Basically, as far as I can tell, 9 and/or 8.3 will come out when they come 
 out.  No sooner and no later.

That is the way I interpret the page.

 eg.  No code freeze.  Open for submissions.

jerry


 
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Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE

2011-05-03 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 12:11:07PM -0700, Mike Seda wrote:

 Hi All,
 When will FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE be available?
 
 I remember reading that it would be ready in May 2011. I just wanted to 
 see if it was on schedule or not.

I don't remember seeing that.
Anyway, go to the FreeBSD Release Engineering web site for information.

http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html

jerry


 
 Thanks,
 Mike
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Re: For My Edification

2011-05-02 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 06:47:11PM -0400, Louis Marrero wrote:

 Gentlemen,
 
 I have a number of really dumb questions that I hope you might be able to
 shed some light on.
 
 Although I am familiar with basic computer operation, I've been trying to
 understand a very experienced programmer friend that mixes Linux/Unix
 terminology in his vocabulary under the assumption that everyone knows the
 language.
 
 Being familiar only with general knowledge on the Windows XP that I use
 daily, I've gone on the web to find out more information on some of the
 terms used by this programmer, such as BSD, shell terminal, nc -u,
 etc.  Since my friend knows that my computer is strictly MS Windows, when my
 friend writes down something like In a shell terminal type nc -u
 10.101.97.200 . it makes me wonder what I'm missing.  
 
 Here are some questions that can help my understanding:
 
 1. I know that Windows is an OS, and Linux/Unix as well as FreeBSD
 are other Operating System.  My very basic question is this: Is it even
 possible to install a second OS, like FreeBSD on an existing Windows-based
 computer?

Yes.   In fact, the machine I am currently typing on is 'dual booted'
Win XP and FreeBSD.   The FreeBSD Handbook covers how to do it
quite well, though it might take a little studying to begin to
get the picture.   One note -- you need to install the MS system
first and then the FreeBSD system because MS does not like to 
play friendly with other systems.

Study the handbook first so you have a more useful idea of what 
things are and then ask more questions.

 
 2. Is it possible to link my Windows laptop to a web server with
 Unix or FreeBSD and exercise Unix/Linux commands.  If so, how is that done?
 

I don't think I understand what you are asking here well enough
to respond to this.

By the way, BSD stands for Berkley Software Distribution referring
to University of California at Berkley software development group
which originally took the Bell Labs experiment and built it up 
in to a real OS and distributed it.   Then there is a long soap
opera of law suits and companies springing up to try and make a
quick $$$buck and finally some people put a fully free version.
That story has links on the FreeBSD web site too.

Have Fun,

jerry

  
 
 I'd be grateful for any information.
 
  
 
 Louis Marrero
 
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Re: hello

2011-04-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:38:45PM +0200, Julian Fagir wrote:

 Hi,
 
  can you help me, i will freebsd 8.1 32bit downgraden to freebsd 7.1 or 7.2
  as ?
 I think you ask on one of the regional mailing lists in your mother tongue.
 According to your errors (German, Dutch?), your language has a regional
 mailing list, just have a look at:
 http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html
 
 Anyway, you should define your problem more precisely and read the
 netiquette, probably some more conservative people will be offended by your
 post (name, subject, language).

Huh??   
The only thing wrong is missing a meaningful subject -- which can
cause people to ignore the post.

But, the question is quite clear, though I have no idea why [s]he
wants to do that downgrade and might want to explore that before
encouraging that move.

jerry


 
 
 Regards, Julian


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Re: Question : Developing/Making FreeBSD derivative.

2011-04-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 06:56:53AM -0700, Stefan N wrote:

 Hi Christer,
 
 As there are many parts of the source 
 code(from bin,cddl,contrib..usr.sbin), 
 which part(s) of source code do I need to modify?

That is a strange question.   I guess the answer is 'Yes'

It depends on what you want to be changed in your new version.

For example, I would guess that you would take an interest in making 
your own user environment/interface.   Well, that would involve doing
stuff from X11 most likely and most probably more of configuration
changes than code changes.

Then there is a whole long list of things people want added/fixed/
modified on the system.   You might want to check that out for
ideas.

Probably you need to learn a lot more about the existing system
before you go to making a custom version.

jerry


 
 Regards,
 Stefanus
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com
 To: Stefan N stefanbsd...@yahoo.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 7:51:50 PM
 Subject: Re: Question : Developing/Making FreeBSD derivative.
 
 On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Stefan N stefanbsd...@yahoo.com wrote:
  My name is Stefan and I am newbie with FreeBSD but I'm interested to learn 
 more
  about FreeBSD . I am keen to know and learn more on  the process to make a 
  new
  BSD's derivative/fork  from FreeBSD ?
 
 
 You change the source code and compile
 
  How is the method for customizing/remastering FreeBSD ? The most interesting
  part is that if we could make the new fork of FreeBSD with its own uname. 
  If I
  could make my own BSD derivative and used StefanBSD as its uname, it would 
  be
  awesome.
 
 The method is really simple, actually. You change the source code and compile.
 Good luck!
 
 -- 
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Re: Stopping Less from creating Log Files

2011-04-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:36:37AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:

 This is a minor problem but I use more to read Email messages
 from nmh. If one forgets what screen one is in, it is possible
 to start typing and create a log file of the message in which
 ever mailbox directory one is reading out of.
 
   The man page for more is actually linked to less even
 though FreeBSD has /usr/bin/more and less. I even tried in the
 .mh_profile to call more with -Oo/dev/null but if you hit a key,
 the logfile prompt appears and any subsequent key strokes are
 part of the new file name.

I think 'more' is just a link to 'less' anyway.  The binaries are 
the same according to dif and cmp.

(not what you were asking, but...)

jerry

 
   This really is only a minor nuisance because it creates
 junk files that then have to be removed from the directory. So,
 if there is a way to make more or less not write anything, it
 would be more or less appreciated.
 
   Many thanks in advance.
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Re: graphical representation of `du`

2011-04-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 08:34:42PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote:

 2011/4/6 Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org:
 
  Again, why don't you guys just use perl to provide a graphical du? I believe
  perl is just present on every freebsd machine where graphical du is needed.
 
 
 Why on Earth would you use Perl when a simple awk script will do???

Why on earth would you cloud things up with AWK when a simple Perl
script would do it?!

jerry


 
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Re: Place to install library of shell functions

2011-04-05 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:23:47PM +0200, Michael Grünewald wrote:

 Dear FreeBSD users,
 
 
 today I come to you with what seems to be somehow pedantic question:  
 where is the best place to install libraries of shell functions.
 
 I read hier(4) carefully and it seems the correct place for this would 
 be somewhere under `/usr/local/share':
 
 share/architecture-independent files

I would go with /usr/local/lib.

jerry


 
 On the base systems, many macros (make templates and groff macros) are 
 actually installed under /usr/share.  However, the only library of shell 
 functions I am aware of is `/etc/rc.subr', that landed on this funny 
 location, probably to be pretty sure that this library is on the same 
 filesystem as the scripts under /etc/rc.d.
 
 Several of the ports install shell scripts under `/usr/local/lib' that 
 hier(4) devotes to  ``shared and archive ar(1)-type libraries''.  These 
 shell scripts are:
 
  find /usr/local/lib -name '*.sh'
 /usr/local/lib/tk8.5/tkConfig.sh
 /usr/local/lib/seamonkey/run-mozilla.sh
 /usr/local/lib/libxul/run-mozilla.sh
 /usr/local/lib/rpm/convertrpmrc.sh
 /usr/local/lib/rpm/find-lang.sh
 /usr/local/lib/rpm/getpo.sh
 /usr/local/lib/rpm/u_pkg.sh
 /usr/local/lib/rpm/vpkg-provides.sh
 /usr/local/lib/rpm/vpkg-provides2.sh
 /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh
 /usr/local/lib/tcl8.5/tclConfig.sh
 /usr/local/lib/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh
 /usr/local/lib/llvm-gcc-2.8/gcc/x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.2/4.2.1/install-tools/fixinc.sh
 
 Two files (the `/usr/local/lib/tcl8.5/tclConfig.sh' one and the 
 `s/tcl/tk/g' one) are actually shell script libraries (defining a bunch 
 of variables), and all the others are ancillary scripts, that would 
 maybe better fit in `/usr/local/libexec'.
 
 So, practical experience does not really second my a priori that these 
 files sould go under the `share' hierarchy and I would like to have your 
 opinion on this question.
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 Best Regards,
 Michael
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Re: mount a dumpfile

2011-04-01 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 05:08:15PM -0600, Warren Block wrote:

 Is it possible to mount a dump(8) dumpfile?  restore(8) obviously knows 
 everything about the file structure, and restore -i is nearly a 
 read-only mount_dump already.

I don't think so.   It is a different structure.

jerry


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Re: gcc

2011-03-31 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10:44PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn knowt...@aloha.com wrote:
 
  When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is 4.2.1.
  The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011.
 
 
 Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system.  There have
 been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add in stuff like
 newer instruction sets I believe.

eg.  If you want a newer gcc, such as the one in ports, then go 
ahead and install it.   The system uses a FreeBSD c compiler, not gcc.

jerry


 
 The base system compiler is moving towards clang/llvm and it's now possible
 to run a clang kernel/world on CURRENT.  Efforts are underway to change the
 ports system to allow for a more pluggable compiler eg
 clang/gcc44/gcc45/gcc46.
 
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Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote:

 I want to learn BSD.  I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a 
 distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word 
 processing, etc.).  
 
 But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me.  It would take 
 too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking.  I couldn't figure out what to 
 enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD.  I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and 
 DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox.  I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install 
 and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in.  GhostBSD has too 
 many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my 
 Internet connection on my desktop.  DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox.
 
 I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro.  It's user-friendly, 
 well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, 
 and has a Windows-like user interface.  For those with older computers, I 
 recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro.  I'm looking for the 
 analogous choice in the BSD world.
 
 So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro?  What desktop BSD 
 distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken of the 
 Sea Simpson can handle it?
 
 Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD 
 distros are ENORMOUS.  It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD.

FreeBSD is just one OS.   There are some other BSD's such as PC-BSD, 
but it is not like Lunix with many different candy coatings over the 
same chewy carmel center.  In BSD, each is its own OS, although there 
are definite similarities.

If you really mean to learn BSD, then download the latest FreeBSD RELEASE
(which is 8.2 at the moment) installation ISO, burn it,  install it, 
configure it and use it.   Everything goes on it easily from /usr/ports/...  
Just follow the handbook.   In FreeBSD, the handbook is your friend 
followed by the man pages and Google.  They are very good compared to
what you find elsewhere on other systems.

If you are not willing to do that, then really you are not that
interested in learning it, so why bother.

As for the Grub issue, I have dual booted FreeBSD alongside of 
various MS stuff many times with no problem and no need of Grub.
I just make sure the MS is installed first and then use the FreeBSD MBR.
It is quite plain and not pretty, but works just fine.   I haven't
tried W-7 yet.

But, although I have installed numerous Linux machines, mostly CentOS,
and they use Grub, I have never dual booted a Linux and never had to
configure Grub to deal with that.   I think, a long time and many 
versions ago, the FreeBSD MBR could boot the more well known Linuxen 
in a dual boot situation, but who knows how more weird it has gotten
since then.

I am quite certain that Grub will boot FreeBSD, because FreeBSD still
uses the most standard, most common old fashioned DOS boot protocol
to get started -- and just getting the first block read in and executing
is all you need of the MBR which is what Grub is as well as FreeBSD MBR.

So, just whack on FreeBSD and learn it.   Once you know it pretty well
you can play around with dual booting Lunix if you still want to or
maybe you will discover the cleaner and more straightforward BSD
system more to your liking and just stick with it.  Who knows.
It should only take a few days.

jerry


 
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Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro

2011-03-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:

 Quoth William Brown on Wednesday, 30 March 2011:
  
  On 30/03/2011, at 07:15, Chip Camden wrote:
  
   So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro?  What desktop 
   BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken 
   of the Sea Simpson can handle it?
   
   To each their own, but I wouldn't want a system that Paris Hilton could
   handle any more than I'd want a vehicle that a four-year-old can drive.
  
  There is something to be said for the keep it simple principle however. 
  
 Yes, but keep it simple need not mean do everything for you.  Often,
 a simpler design means more choices, and more choices means more
 responsibility and more steps to completion.

But often better eventual results.

Just a nit here -- I would think of BSD as less cluttered 
rather than simpler.   

Those that have all the extra built-ins with no thinking required
tend to be more complicated, not simpler.  They just cover it up
by allowing fewer choices -- as you imply above.  

jerry


 
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Re: Can FreeBSD be made to be as polished a desktop as Linux Mint?

2011-02-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 08:15:30PM -0500, Xn Nooby wrote:

 I was wondering if there were any technical reasons why a FreeBSD
 desktop could not be hand-tweaked to be as nice as a Linux Mint 10
 desktop.  I only rarely use Linux Mint 10, but it's desktop and
 webrowsing seem to be about perfect (albeit green).  The Gnome UI is
 very smooth to interact with, and website fonts in Firefox look better
 than on Windows.  When I install gnome2 and firefox via pkg_add,
 everything works, but it is not as glassy smooth as LM10.  I think the
 PC-BSD people are working on a Gnome-version, so I could wait and see
 what they put together. I was just curious if there was any technical
 reason why this could be done. I assume if they both use xorg, then it
 is possible.

Pretty much anything can be ported and run on FreeBSD if someone with
suffieient interest puts enough time and effort in to it.

So, if you have sufficient interest, start now and soon it will
come to pass.

jerry



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Re: How to install Tomcat 7

2011-02-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 07:18:28PM +1030, Andreas Junius wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 This is my first post to this list, so I hope I get it right. I'm new to 
 both Unix and freeBSD and I've been doing my first steps for three days 
 now. I was able to install Java and Tomcat 6, because these products are 
 part of the ports directory. However I'd prefer Tomcat 7, so I got the 
 tomcat7.tar.gz and extracted the files to /usr/ports/www/tomcat7.

I am not sure I understand all of what you say and I have never 
installed Tomcat separately.But,,,

If I install something from source that is not in ports, I generally
put the ...tar.gz  file of its source in /usr/local/src  and then
un-gz/untar it  (tar xzvf...) there.   Normally, a well made open source
product will make a directory for the product and put everything in 
there.   Just cd to that and start building.   

That usually starts with running configure from within that directory, ge.

NOTE here: Do not confuse this pre-build configure that sets up compiler
   and loader and system options with the post-build configure
   mentioned below that sets up running options for the utility.

  # ./configure  --prefix=/usr/local/product_name \
  / more_configure_options_if_necessary

 # make
 # make install

Then do what it takes to configure it to run - there may be a config file
  typically in /usr/local/product_name/conf/...   In FreeBSD some of
  the configuration items can be set in /etc/rc.conf

If it is to run as a daemon, set up its startup in the rc.d


Nowdays, most reasonable open source products that are set up 
with a good layout, conprehensive prebuild configure and well built 
make files to be installed on a UNIX or Lunix system follow this 
basic pattern with a few small variations.

jerry

 
 The I tried the following and got the message:
 
 # pwd
 /usr/ports/www/tomcat7
 # make install clean
 ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
 ===  License accepted by the user
 = apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is not in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo.
 = Either /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo is out of date, or
 = apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz is spelled incorrectly.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7.
 
 
 To be honest, I don't understand that message. That file 
 apache-tomcat-7.0.6.tar.gz can't be in /usr/ports/www/tomcat7/distinfo, 
 because distinfo is a file and not a directory. What went wrong? I got 
 the missing file, however where is it supposed to be?
 
 Thanks for help,
 
   AndyJ
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Re: What is the best way to image copy a FreeBSD system?

2011-02-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:53:44AM -0500, Xn Nooby wrote:

 On Linux I use clonezilla, which understands the EXT3 filesystem, and
 it can skip unused space (I'm using about 3GB out of 1TB).
 
 On FreeBSD, I have to fill the 1TB drive with zero-filled files, then
 delete them, on each partiton, since CloneZilla uses DD+gzip on the
 entire drive.
 
 I like to make image copies of new systems, so I can revert back to my
 starting point in case I break it, but CloneZilla is taking 9 hours to
 image the drive.  I can re-install a lot faster than that.

My suggestion would be to do the slicing/partitioning on the copy
and then use dump/restore on each partition from the new drive to 
the copy drive.   


A dd image is not really all that good a way to do it.   

It just produces a sector by sector copy which is not efficient.
The dump/restore produces what you want which is an efficient runable system
on the copy disk.   

Once you get the dump/restore finished, you could use rsync periodically
to keep it up to date.   Actually you could use rsync to do all the
copying on to the prepartitioned copy drive, but I would prefer dump/restore.


 I normally store my image copies on a Samba share on another system,
 they are stored as files.  I am not copying to another raw drive.

In that case, use dump(8) to create those files and store them
where-ever you wish.

 
 Is there an image-copy backup program that understands the UFS
 file-system? Or perhaps there is a better solution on FreeBSD?

As mentioned above, dump(8)/restore(8) is made for that.

jerry


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Re: Starting from Scratch!

2011-02-02 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 12:09:11PM -, Graham Bentley wrote:

 After several months away from FreeBSD I am asking
 for advice on versions for general desktop / interest
 use [non critical learning platform]
 
 Should I hang on a bit for 8.2 to go current?
 
 Or will I easily be able to update RC3 in any case?

It really depends on how much in a hurry you are.
If timeing and a little wait doesn't matter, I would wait for 8.2.
It is always just a trifle easier to install from scratch than update.

But, having said that, it should not be very difficult to move to 8.2
from 8.1.

jerry


 
 Thanks!
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Re: Upgrading from FreeBSD 4.10 to 8.1?

2011-01-07 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 03:05:14PM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 12:02:59PM +, Frank Shute wrote:
  On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:45:28AM -0800, patrick wrote:
  
   I know this is a bit crazy, but is there any opinion as to whether a
   binary upgrade using an 8.1 CD would work to upgrade a system running
   4.10? Normally I would want to do a fresh install, but it's at a
   remote client site where it's not going to be easy to do it that way,
   and I'm going to need to guide someone less experienced through the
   install/upgrade process.
  
  An upgrade using a CD wouldn't work as the filesystem changed from
  UFS1 to UFS2 betweeen 4 and 5.
 
 That by itself should not be a showstopper, since newer FreeBSD
 releases (incl. 8.1) still support UFS1 and can run perfectly fine on
 it.  Although it is generally a good idea to use UFS2 rather than UFS1
 with FreeBSD 5+ it is certainly not necessary.

The thing to do is create the UFS2 new system and use it to read
the stuff you need from the old UFS1 system/disk.  Then just use
the new disk.

jerry


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Re: Upgrading from FreeBSD 4.10 to 8.1?

2011-01-07 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 07:50:20AM -0800, Devin Teske wrote:

 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 03:05:14PM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote:
  
  On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 12:02:59PM +, Frank Shute wrote:
  On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:45:28AM -0800, patrick wrote:
  
  I know this is a bit crazy, but is there any opinion as to whether a
  binary upgrade using an 8.1 CD would work to upgrade a system running
  4.10? Normally I would want to do a fresh install, but it's at a
  remote client site where it's not going to be easy to do it that way,
  and I'm going to need to guide someone less experienced through the
  install/upgrade process.
  
  An upgrade using a CD wouldn't work as the filesystem changed from
  UFS1 to UFS2 betweeen 4 and 5.
  
  That by itself should not be a showstopper, since newer FreeBSD
  releases (incl. 8.1) still support UFS1 and can run perfectly fine on
  it.  Although it is generally a good idea to use UFS2 rather than UFS1
  with FreeBSD 5+ it is certainly not necessary.
  
  The thing to do is create the UFS2 new system and use it to read
  the stuff you need from the old UFS1 system/disk.  Then just use
  the new disk.
  
 
 Maybe I'm just imagining things, but I somehow recall that some guru had 
 posted a technique for converting UFS1 to UFS2 by way of dump/restore 
 while booted from a live distro. Was I dreaming?

Well, that should be easy.You just have a new disk, slice, partition
and newfs it with a new UFS2 system.  Then dump the old partitions
and restore them on the new partitions.It is still a matter of
creating a new system with new space.  You could do it to a spare
machine and then once it is all built, do the same back to the old
machine and it would all be up-to-date.

The new one would be nice and clean then too.

jerry
   
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Re: Swap Space

2011-01-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:

 On 05/01/2011 22:33, Jeff Whitman wrote:
  I'm finding conflicting data on this.  Some say 0, some say 1 times RAM,
  others say stay with 2 x RAM.
 
 Standard advice is 2x RAM -- but that dates back to the days when
 servers would have quantities of RAM measured in Megabytes rather than
 Gigabytes.

Of course, in those days disk space was measured in MBytes too.
 
 Also, there's a maximum of -- I think -- 8GB
 swap above which the performance of swap is degraded, due to algorithmic
 limits in the way memory pages are mapped onto disk pages.

I don't know about an 8GB limit for swap performance.  I suppose
it is possible.So, the following formula from Mathew is probably 
a good new rule of thumb.

 
 You need 1 x RAM + a few kB in order to support getting a crashdump. Or
 at least, you did before the days of minidumps.  Not sure what the
 requirements are for getting system dumps nowadays.  Swap space used for
 crashdumps should be a raw partition, not a file.

jerry


 
 On the other hand, for good performance you should not be using any
 significant amounts of swap in normal usage.  You will need some swap,
 as the OS tends to use a small amount even when not under memory
 pressure.  You should have swap to act as a buffer in case your machine
 suddenly starts using up more memory than you expect, either because of
 memory leaks, or due to demand spikes or through any number of other
 possible causes.
 
 Therefore, I think the best advice for a modern large memory system
 would be:
 
 If RAM  8GB, then SWAP = 8GB[*]
 If RAM  8GB, then SWAP = 1 x RAM + delta
 
 where delta is perhaps a Megabyte or so.  Just rounding the partition
 size up to the next cylinder boundary should be enough (which happens
 automatically with most partitioning schemes).
 
   Cheers,
 
   Matthew
 
 [*] In this case, if you need crashdumps, you should dedicate another
 otherwise unused partition of the correct size as your dumpdev.
 
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Re: Upgrading from FreeBSD 4.10 to 8.1?

2011-01-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:45:28AM -0800, patrick wrote:

 I know this is a bit crazy, but is there any opinion as to whether a
 binary upgrade using an 8.1 CD would work to upgrade a system running
 4.10? Normally I would want to do a fresh install, but it's at a
 remote client site where it's not going to be easy to do it that way,
 and I'm going to need to guide someone less experienced through the
 install/upgrade process.

It might work.  But, I think you would save a lot of headache and time
to just do a new scratch install of 8.xx (8.2 should be here soon).

First, make a thorough list of everything that is installed on the
old machine.List info from disk slice[s] and partitions and other
configuration items.  Then make copies (backups) of all user data
and anything that needs to be kept from the old system and is not
being newly installed from ports and such.

Now would be a good/great time to replace/upgrade the hard disk or
install a second (third..., etc) disk.

Rethink the partitioning according to current usage and disk sizes.

Then just build a new machine, configure it appropriately, install
the ports and any other possible software - latest versions.  Then
restore all the user data that is needed on the new system and you
should be ready to go.  (Some old data may better be left in archive)

jerry  

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Openoffice

2010-12-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
Hi,

It has been a long time since I tried to install Openoffice from
packages, but I would prefer not to have to build it.

I have been fishing around at all the old sites where I found
it some years ago and can't seem to find anything reasonable.

eg.:  http://projects.imp.ch/openoffice/
and:  
http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/FreeBSD/
I get lists of files that are not clear as to what to download plus
when I try to download one that looks like it is for FreeBSD 8.1 it
fails complaining it cannot change directory or find a directory.

pkg_add -r fails with the following two messages.   

Error: Unable to get 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/Latest/openoffice.tbz:
 No address record

pkg_add: unable to fetch 
'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/Latest/openoffice.tbz'
 by URL


The latest thing I could get from freebsd.org was version 2.4.3_2 and I 
had to manually download that.

Is there anything more recent that is reliably available?

By the way I tried Abiword and could not read in a plain text file - 
one with just regular text created with vi.   It made some irregular
blob in the middle of the page that looked like all the characters 
mushed together.  

Otherwise I would be using that and ignoring Openoffice.

jerry  
  
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Re: rc.d and environment variables

2010-12-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 08:12:49PM +0100, Polytropon wrote:

 On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:27:52 +0600, Victor Sudakov v...@mpeks.tomsk.su 
 wrote:
  Colleagues,
  
  The svnserve daemon is started from /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve. I need to
  pass the environment variable KRB5_KTNAME=/home/svn/svn.keytab to the
  daemon on start. How do I do that?
 
 If the user corresponding to the svnservice has a login
 shell, which would usually be the system's default
 dialog shell, the C shell, you could edit /etc/csh.cshrc
 and put
 
   setenv KRB5_KTNAME /home/svn/svn.keytab
 
 to make it a system-wide setting (or use the user's
 ~/.cshrc for a user-only setting).
 
 In case the user does NOT have a default shell, I think
 you should be able to also define a system-wide environmental
 variable by coding
 
   KRB5_KTNAME=/home/svn/svn.keytab; export KRB5_KTNAME
 
 into /etc/rc.local (which will be executed at system startup).
 See man rc.local for details.
 

Put it in /etc/rc.conf and have your script read up rc.conf and
set any of the stuff in there it is interested in, such as KRB5_KINAME.

I think that is the officially sanctioned way of doing such things.

jerry


 
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Re: SEBSD is dead?

2010-12-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 08:14:22AM -0500, Outback Dingo wrote:

 SeBSD is a FreeBSD project for security enhancement... ACLs and stuff... its
 part of FreeBSD

Something like SeLinux those other guys use???

jerry


 
 On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Odhiambo Washington 
 odhia...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  2010/12/17 zY zhangyuan5...@gmail.com
 
   guys, I have a question. SEBSD is dead? Please tell me its
  latestprogress.
   Thanks.
  
  
  What is it? A FreeBSD port?
  Here we discuss FreeBSD, unless you are porting something from somewhere:)
 
 
  --
  Best regards,
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Re: SEBSD is dead?

2010-12-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 03:42:45PM +, Vincent Hoffman wrote:

 On 17/12/2010 15:27, Jerry McAllister wrote:
  On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 08:14:22AM -0500, Outback Dingo wrote:
 
  SeBSD is a FreeBSD project for security enhancement... ACLs and stuff... 
  its
  part of FreeBSD
  Something like SeLinux those other guys use???
 
 Good job that wasnt FBI sponsored, those NSA guys are far more
 trustworthy ;)

???   I missed something there.

Anyway, SeLinux ain't 100% popular over there I noticed.
Maybe it is just a matter of getting used to it.  I got
tired of reading the posts on it, so haven't figured out
if they were substantive or just whiney.

jerry

  jerry
 
 
  On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Odhiambo Washington 
  odhia...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  2010/12/17 zY zhangyuan5...@gmail.com
 
  guys, I have a question. SEBSD is dead? Please tell me its
  latestprogress.
  Thanks.
 
 
  What is it? A FreeBSD port?
  Here we discuss FreeBSD, unless you are porting something from somewhere:)
 
 
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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

2010-12-16 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:40:35PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:

 Hello *,
 
 does someone get this kind of spam too?

Yes.  Lots of it from various lists and other paths.   
Just delete it.

jerry


 
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Re: ultimate backup choice

2010-12-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 04:17:46AM -0800, S Mathias wrote:

 i have:
 SERVER A
 SERVER B
 
 with full root permisson [ssh, etc]
 
 each server has a folder.
 
 i want to backup a folder in SERVER A.
 
 are there any backup methods, that meets these two requirements? :
 
 
 1) running from e.g.: a cronjob
 
 2) when running, it just checks the folder in SERVER A and SERVER B. if a 
 file/folder has been added/removed/modified in the SERVER A's folder, then 
 it copies/removes it/them to SERVER B's folder.
 
 please help!

Yes.  Learn to RSYNC.   Does exactly what you ask, easily.

jerry



 
 Thank you in advance! [for any links, howtos :\ ]
 
 have a nice weekend
 
 
   
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Re: FreeBSD 3.5.1-RELEASE

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:21:05PM +0900, Kazuhiro Satoyoshi wrote:

 They're old, but not so old that 8.1 shouldn't work.
   Some day, I tried to install FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE (i386, amd64), but I 
 could't.
   I did't know the reason why...
   That's why I though to need old FreeBSD version for my PC.

   OK, I'll try to install latest version.
   Thank you very much.

Good.   Try the latest RELEASE version.
Then, don't give up if you have a problem.
Study and find out what problem is happening and then attack it.
Probably the only real problem you might have with the older machine 
is having enough storage.  You might have to add some.

jerry


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Re: Shopping cart other than OSCommerce? [LONG]

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 04:13:25PM -0500, Karl Vogel wrote:

  On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:23:04 -0700, 
  Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca said:
 
 D I'll interpret that as saying a large percentage of the PHP apps vying
 D for your attention are crap, but buyer beware. Just be careful, have a
 D healthy level of scepticism, and keep your eyes open.
 
Yup.
 
 D I don't know anything about Facebook other than it's PHP-based, but I'm
 D sure we'd hear about it being hacked on a regular basis if it was.

Interesting.   Looks like most of these depend on the bad judgement
of the user to respond to phishing and similar attacks rather than
a flaw in the php code.- though once the user makes the mistake
they [unknowingly] allow the attack to insert malware.

jerry
  
  


 http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/vulnerabilities/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216403016
Microsoft and Facebook Team Up to Put the Kibosh on Koobface
Mon, 6 Apr 2009
 
Microsoft and Facebook are working together to protect users from the
Koobface worm.  Koobface spreads through Facebook and MySpace social
networking sites and infects users who run vulnerable versions of
Windows.  It steals login information so it can hijack accounts and spam
users' contact lists.
 
The spam usually contains a link to what is billed as a video, but users
who click the link are told they must download a program to watch the clip.
If users agree to the download, their machines become infected with 
 malware.
Microsoft has added Koobface to its Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT),
which removed nearly 200,000 instances of Koobface from more than 133,000
computers in two weeks.

 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/facebook_phishing_scam/

 http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6294169.ece
Another Phishing Attack Targets Facebook Users
Fri, 15 May 2009
 
Users of the social networking site Facebook have been subjected to another
phishing attack.  The attackers gained access to the social networking
site by using legitimate user accounts and then directing the contacts
of the compromised accounts to websites containing malicious software.
The attackers ostensibly gained access to the initial accounts by 
 exploiting
easy-to-guess passwords.

 

 http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid14_gci1356896,00.html
IT Managers Feel Pressured to Relax Security Policies
Wed, 20 May 2009
 
According to a recent survey of 1,300 IT managers, 86 percent said
they were being pressured by company executives, marketing departments,
and sales departments to relax web security policies to allow access to
web-based platforms such as Google Apps.  Nearly half of respondents said
some employees bypass security policies to access services like Twitter
and Facebook.  More than half of the respondents noted that they lacked the
means to detect embedded malicious code and prevent URL redirect attacks.

 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/twitter_attack_theory/
Attack on Twitter and Facebook Was a JoeJob
6-10 Aug 2009
 
The denial-of-service attacks that hobbled Twitter and Facebook last week
were not conducted through botnets, but instead were the result of a spam
campaign aimed at a taking out accounts that belong to a pro-Republic of
Georgia blogger.

 

 http://www.scmagazineus.com/Facebook-to-modify-privacy-practices-after-investigation/article/147556/

 http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6812783.ece
Facebook Will Strengthen Privacy Practices
27-28 Aug 2009
 
In response to an investigation launched by Canada's Office of the Privacy
Commissioner, Facebook has agreed to give users more control about the
information they share with third-party applications.  The applications 
 will
be required to get permission from users for every category of personal
information they want to access.  In addition, users will have the option
to deactivate or to even to delete their accounts.  If users delete their
accounts, all information belonging to that user will be deleted from
Facebook servers.

 

 http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138780/Facebook_Captchas_broken_?source=rss_security
Spammers Break Facebook CAPTCHA
Thu, 1 Oct 2009
 
Malware purveyors have managed to break the Facebook CAPTCHA (completely
automated public Turing test to tell computers and humans apart), allowing
them to automate the creation of Facebook pages.  The malicious pages are
being used to send links to malicious websites that promote scareware.
The pages all have the same photograph, but have different user names.
Facebook is taking steps to identify the rogue pages and disable them.
  

Re: FreeBSD 3.5.1-RELEASE

2010-12-07 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 10:40:43PM +0900, Kazuhiro Satoyoshi wrote:

 Dear sir,

   Hi, I'm kazu from Japan.
 I'd like to install [freebsd 3.5.1-RELEASE] into my PC.

Is there any good reason for installing such an ancient version
of FreeBSD?Install the most recent RELEASE you can get to
run on it.   Try 8.1 now.


 (I have no idea wether this version(3.5.1) is proper for my PC...)
   I browsed around Internet, but I could't find this FILES.
   How can I do?
 I need your help!

   I think my PC is like below:
 FMV DESKPER ME4/535P

I have no idea what an   FMV DESKPER ME4/535P   is.

jerry   


   sincerely,
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Re: USB Thumb Drive

2010-12-02 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 09:45:15AM -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:

 According to Darwin's law,
 the most fit will survive...

That is a misrepresentation of Darwin's theory.
It does not say the 'most fit' will survive. 
It says that the one that is best able to expoit the environmental
resources will survive.It could be one who would be less or 
even least fit in another environment.A lot of [possibly conflicting]
things go in to defining an environment.


jerry  


 
 if you have the choice of buying 2 usb drivers, 
 one that have fat32 and other that have exfat
 you, as a normal customer, does not know about
 the details of fat32, ntfs, ufs, zfs, xfs 
 but you know about price, that is:
 the one that pays something to M$ costs
 more than the other, 
 
 I bet the one that costs less (even a cent less...) will
 get better chance to survive.. and in some time
 there will be no exfat usb drivers ...
 
 besides it is easy to format a fat32 on FreeBSD or even in 
 Linux, Mac.. 
 
 I can show, for example, the docx, in my country,  the document
 format standard is ODT...   or PDF... no no doc, no docx...
 
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Re: USB Thumb Drive

2010-12-01 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 01:10:25PM -0500, Jerry wrote:

 On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:00:00 +
 Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk articulated:
 
  On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:47:26 -0500
  Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:
   [r...@blackdragon [~]# kldload ntfs (just so I can read from the
   device and copy what I wanted off it)
   [r...@blackdragon [~]# mount -t ntfs /dev/da0 /mnt/thumb
   mount_ntfs: /dev/da0: Invalid argument
  
  I think Windows defaults to FAT32 on removable drives, so you might
  need to use '-t msdosfs' instead. In newer versions of Windows you can
  also format disks using exFAT which I don't believe is supported in
  the open source world yet.
 

Sorry I didn't keep the thread, but, in case it is helpful, here is 
the line in my /etc/fstab for my USB stick plug-ins.   (There are some
other USB devices that use up da0 and da1)

/dev/da2s1  /stick  msdosfs rw,noauto   0   0

  I just plug one in, 
  su to root,
  type 'mount /stick' 

and then can read it just fine - even from non-root.
I do this frequently to suck .jpg files off the cards from 
my digital camera.  (I have an adapter to make them USB plug-in-able).

I can write as root, but I haven't messed around figuring out if
I can manage to write as non-root.

As you see, it is msdosfs or in other words, FAT32.
I don't know anything about the exFAT mentioned below.

jerry


 I believe that exFAT is the default in Windows 7. In any case, there is
 no support for it in FreeBSD; although I believe there is support,
 rudimentary perhaps, in Linux.
 
 Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT#Licensing)
 
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:

 
 Did you know...
 If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000

I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
current one.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:

  i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)
 
 
 Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or
 the resources for newbies on the website?

Now that is a good idea.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:36:29PM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote:
  -- Forwarded message --
  From: José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com
  Date: 2010/11/11
  Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
  To: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com
 
 
  What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me
  this crap! I hope freebsd explodes!
 
 
 First, please don't top-post.
 Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap
 once again.
 Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave.

Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
the first time probably each day.Some of them will have the same
mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
heads from an early age.Although you may get tired of hearing that
same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a 
person a troll if they ask the question.


The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.
If they make useful use of the information, they are not a troll, just
someone needing information.   If they want to add tricky new twists
to keep the thing going, then they probably are a troll and ignoring
additional responses becomes even more important.

So, if you want other prople to use their intelligence, then practice
using yours.

jerry


 
 
  2010/11/12 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com
 
  2010/11/11 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com:
   2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com:
   Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
  
   For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run 
   away!
  
  
   Is this better?
  
 
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 07:26:17PM -0600, Neal Hogan wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
  PLEASE let's not rehash this again!!!
 
 
 I'm only sending the link to the haloed (sp?) daemon now because I
 wish I had last time but f'd it up.
 I'm done now . . . I just thought that those who are offended by
 evil daemons would appreciate the holy ones.

  (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg

I like this one.   
It continues the tongue firmly in the cheek sense of the whole BSDie thing.
Thanks for posting it.

jerry


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:15:37PM -0500, Tom Worster wrote:

 On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote:
 
 Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
 the first time probably each day.Some of them will have the same
 mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
 heads from an early age.Although you may get tired of hearing that
 same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a
 person a troll if they ask the question.
 
 Hmm.
 
 It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question
 without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is
 multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group
 such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette.
 The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this
 is not a fringe opinion.

You expect a newbie to know it all.   
That is inconsiderate and lazy.
You started somewhere, so does everyone else.



 
 
 The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
 to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.
 
 I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing.
 

You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude.

jerry   
  
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39:28PM +, José Silveira wrote:

 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!

Of course, it is not a devil.   IT is a helper daemon.
It is your prejudice and lack of knowledge of ancient mythology that
leads you to calling it a devil.

What you should do it look in the FreeBSD-Questions list archive.
THere are hundreds of responses already posted to this question.
There is even stuff on the web site and a simple Google search will
get you many more.

jerry
  


 
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Re: removing files

2010-11-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote:

 hi,
 
 I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one can
 guide me for the same.
 
 I have some files with the extension of .chk extension along with the
 extension of .log and .gjf extension in the folder called different *input
 folders. *I wanted to delete the .chk file extension having files. If i go
 to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command
 line by but i would like to delete all the .chk files extension files at a
 time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for
 the same.
 /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input
 
 /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input
 
 /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input
 
 /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input

Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking
as far as I see.   Maybe I am looking at it wrong.

But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm?

  cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete
  rm -R *.chk
  rm -R *.log
  rm -R *.gjk

Or am I missing something.

jerry

 
 thank you.
 
 regards,
 sweety.
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Re: removing files

2010-11-08 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 08:49:12PM +, Frank Shute wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 10:48:18AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 
  On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote:
  
   hi,
   
   I have a problem for deleting files using scriptplease some one 
   can
   guide me for the same.
   
   I have some files with the extension of .chk extension along with the
   extension of .log and .gjf extension in the folder called different 
   *input
   folders. *I wanted to delete the .chk file extension having files. If i 
   go
   to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* 
   command
   line by but i would like to delete all the .chk files extension files 
   at a
   time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for
   the same.
   /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input
   
   /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input
   
   /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input
   
   /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input
  
  Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking
  as far as I see.   Maybe I am looking at it wrong.
  
  But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm?
  
cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete
rm -R *.chk
rm -R *.log
rm -R *.gjk
  
  Or am I missing something.
  
  jerry
 
 It could be that the OP has more files than the glob can handle. (With
 most shells there's a restrictionor used to be).
 
 I'm also reluctant to use a glob with rm without the -i.
 
 With find(1) you can do a dry run first before giving it the -delete
 argument.

Well, if that is the problem, find is the answer.   
It should do everything he wants.

jerry


 
 The OP also wants to use -maxdepth 1 with find(1) if he doesn't want to
 traverse the tree below his target dir.
 
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: Server hardware

2010-10-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:52:22AM -0400, Scott Sipe wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I'm getting ready to buy a new server system (running FreeBSD of course) for
 a small business. I have always before bought off-the-shelf parts and built
 my own, but am thinking of getting a packaged system this time. I want
 something fairly horsey. Xeon(s), 8-16gb ram, several terabytes storage,
 etc. The system will run at least one VM (virtualbox) at all times, and I've
 been thinking about using an SSD for the system drive and database storage,
 and a RAID for the rest.
 
 My question -- are any server vendors well recommended for FreeBSD? I've
 looked at some seemingly decently priced Dells/HPs, but would appreciate any
 advice. Seems there are at times some hardware issues with some Dell
 controllers.

I don't know about recommended for FreeBSd, but they can come with
FreeBSD loaded.   Here are some addresses for hardware that is supposed
to be very FreeBSD friendly.I haven't had any contact with any of
them in quite a while, so I don't have any recent information.  But I
have heard each spoken well of in the past.

http://www.ixsystems.com/

http://www.servaris.com/   This one used to be called 'FreeBSD Systems'
   Guess they have branched out or something.
http://www.ironsystems.com/

http://eracks.com/

Besides these specialty systems I have done well with Dell PowerEdge
and HP Servers, though I have only built 4 or 5 HP servers with FreeBSD.
All worked well except one HP 350 arrived with a motherboard DOA.  They
replaced it promptly and it worked fine after that.

jerry


 
 Thanks,
 Scott
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Re: acroread9 crashing

2010-10-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 07:25:27AM -0400, Jerry wrote:

 FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE /amd64
 
 I continue to have a problem getting acroread9 to run.
 
 1) It will not create its directory in my home directory.

I have not been able to get acroread to work.
I gave up and use XPDF which does what I need, though minimally.

jerry


 
 :1: error: unexpected character `\1', expected keyword - e.g. `style'
 Acroread was unable to create the directory .adobe in your home directory.
 There may be a permission problem with the parent directory.
 Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in 
 your home directory.
 There may be a permission problem with the parent directory.
 Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in 
 your home directory.
 There may be a permission problem with the parent directory.
 Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in 
 your home directory.
 There may be a permission problem with the parent directory.
 Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in 
 your home directory.
 There may be a permission problem with the parent directory.
 Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in 
 your home directory.
 There may be a permission problem with the parent directory.
 Acroread was unable to create the directory /home/gerard/.adobe/Acrobat in 
 your home directory.
 There may be a permission problem with the parent directory.
 
 The directory permissions are normal and no other program has ever
 complained about it. I even tried giving it 0777 permissions without
 success. So, I manually create the directory structure it appears to
 want.
 
 2) Now I manually start acroread9 again:
 
 Error message:
 
 :1: error: unexpected character `\1', expected keyword - e.g. `style'
 
 Next License agreement displays and I choose accept
 
 Main program windows pops up for 1 second and then disappears
 
 This is now displayed:
 
 terminate called after throwing an instance of 'RSException'
 
 3) From the Security Run Output received every morning, this excerpt:
 
 +linux: pid 17352 (acroread): syscall inotify_init not implemented
 
 I have tried doing a complete 'pkg_delete of the program and then
 reinstalling it without any success.
 
 I wanted to use 'gdb' to try to debug the program; however, it throws an
 error message also:
 
 gdb acroread9
 GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD]
 Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
 GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
 welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
 Type show copying to see the conditions.
 There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type show warranty for details.
 This GDB was configured as 
 amd64-marcel-freebsd.../usr/local/bin/acroread9: not in executable 
 format: File format not recognized
 
 (gdb) run
 Starting program:  
 No executable file specified.
 Use the file or exec-file command.
 
 I tried using the file command; however, that also throws an error,
 probably because I am using the wrong syntax.
 
 I am open to any suggestions. I tried Googling without any great
 success. Evidently, many others have experienced this problem also. I
 have not seen a concrete solution posted for it. This problem was
 reported over a year ago, and perhaps more from what I have been able
 to discover. If it is a universal problem in FreeBSD, then perhaps the
 port should be marked Broken. If not, then why does it work on some
 systems and not others? From what I have been able to ascertain, many
 users have never gotten it to work and have just given up on it.
 
 I have used truss to capture the output if anyone wants to view it.
 
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Re: filter a binary file and reduce 0x150a to 0x15

2010-10-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 03:08:45PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:

 
 Hello,
 
 Before I programm it in C (or whatever), is there any normal shell tool
 to filter a (large) binary file and change any occurance of 0x150a to
 0x15 (i.e. delete \n but only if it follows a char 0x15)?

Can you manage it with tr(1)  ?

jerry


 
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Re: question on access to res utility

2010-09-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:58:46PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote:

 It's not the first time that almost word for word the same question has been
 asked by someone from that domain.
 

And not the first time some idiot rude reply caused much
more harm than good.

jerry


 
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 overalls and looks like work.
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 Inventor of 1093 patents, including:
 The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures.
 
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Alessandro Dellavedova 
 alessandro.dellaved...@ifom-ieo-campus.it wrote:
 
 
  On Sep 10, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Ross Cameron wrote:
 
   As an !!! employee !!! of Juniper I would expect that you would know that
   the res command is part of the JunOS shell and NOT part of the
  underlying
   FreeBSD OS.
  
   Most especially since you're helping what sounds like a member of the
   press, therefore you SHOULD have / SOME / idea of what you are doing.
  
   What respect I had for Juniper's products has been ruined of last as this
  is
   NOT the first time that a Juniper employee has posted such completely
   idiotic emails to this list.
  Please do tell what are the employment requirements? Know how to press
   the ON button on a kettle?
 
  Please don't be so rude, maybe she's a Press Office employee, looking for a
  bit of help here.
  Working at Juniper does not mean being a JunOS developer or a tech guru.
 
  It's just one e-mail on hundreds that you get per day, and it does not
  hurt.
 
  Just my opinion, peace
 
  Alessandro
 
  
  
   On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Joanne McClintock joan...@juniper.net
  wrote:
  
   I'm helping a new writer use tech pubs lab routers. In trying to use the
   res utility, he gets the following:
  
   -bash-2.05b$ res show tp5
   -bash: res: command not found
  
   In giving the uname -a command he gets:
  
   -bash-2.05b$ uname -a
   FreeBSD bigpink.juniper.net 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0:
   Mon Oct 25 16:23:23 PDT 2004 r...@bigpink.juniper.net:
  /usr/src/sys/compile/bigpink
   i386
  
   We are wondering if perhaps this is an access problem. Any ideas? Need
  any
   other information? Thanks.
  
   Joanne
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