Re: How is CPU usage calculated?

2010-10-19 Thread Martin Turgeon

 Le 2010-10-18 16:35, Adam Vande More a écrit :

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Martin Turgeon
free...@optiksecurite.comwrote:


I just reread it and it isn't clearer what is using the CPU so much. Can
you please give me a little more explanation?


A line in top(1) like:

CPU:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.4% system,  0.4% interrupt, 99.3% idle

does not describe how much CPU is being used, but rather a percentage of
time spent in each of the processor states.  It's saying of the CPU cycles
that are being used, this is what it breaks down as.  Since MySQL is a
userland application, you'd expect the value of user to be quite high if
that was only thing running on your system and it was under high load.

You can infer how much CPU is being used from the line, but there are better
and more accurate methods generally of getting that information especially
with SMP systems.

Thank you for the explanation. Would you be kind enough to point me to a 
method so I can know for sure that it's MySQL that is taking that much CPU ?

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Re: How is CPU usage calculated?

2010-10-18 Thread Martin Turgeon

 Le 2010-10-15 03:17, Bas Smeelen a écrit :

From: Martin Turgeon [mailto:free...@optiksecurite.com]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:46:13 +0200
Subject: How is CPU usage calculated?

   Hi list!

   I did a strange observation yesterday night. The CPU usage reported by
   top doesn't match what is indicated under it. I was seeing around 80-90%
   user, 5% system, 1% interrupt and 10% idle. But the process details
   under it doesn't match. mysqld was taking around 250% (WCPU) with a few
   httpd processes at 1-2%. The system is running GENERIC 8.0-REL on a Xeon
   E5630 (quad core with hyperthreading so 8 CPUs). MySQL and Apache each
   have their own jail (I don't think it will matter but just in case)

   I understand why the mysqld process take more than 100% but how can I
   know what's taking the rest? Why doesn't the total user CPU usage match
   the total of the CPU usage of each process? Is there a link with
   hyperthreading?

   There sure is a logical answer and I would really like to know it :)
Yes if you have multiple cpu's, cores or hyperthreading than each unit can be 
used up to 100%
Mysql has multiple threads, you can check with top -P to see the multiple cores 
and when top is running give the command H (capital H) to see the threads of 
each process



Thanks for your reply!

I didn't knew about -H to show individual threads, but my problem isn't 
there. My problem is that the summary printed in the first lines doesn't 
match the total of the process detailled under the summary. For example, 
I have a user CPU usage est 83.1% in the summary, but the only process 
worth mentionning in the list is mysqld that is taking 255.52% WCPU. 
That's far less than half the CPU power but 83% is far more. It's that 
difference that I don't understand.


How is this possible?

Martin
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Re: How is CPU usage calculated?

2010-10-18 Thread Martin Turgeon

 Le 2010-10-18 15:12, Adam Vande More a écrit :

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Martin Turgeon
free...@optiksecurite.comwrote:


I didn't knew about -H to show individual threads, but my problem isn't
there. My problem is that the summary printed in the first lines doesn't
match the total of the process detailled under the summary. For example, I
have a user CPU usage est 83.1% in the summary, but the only process worth
mentionning in the list is mysqld that is taking 255.52% WCPU. That's far
less than half the CPU power but 83% is far more. It's that difference
that I don't understand.

How is this possible?


man 1 top

83.1% doesn't mean what you think it does.

I just reread it and it isn't clearer what is using the CPU so much. Can 
you please give me a little more explanation?

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How is CPU usage calculated?

2010-10-14 Thread Martin Turgeon

 Hi list!

I did a strange observation yesterday night. The CPU usage reported by 
top doesn't match what is indicated under it. I was seeing around 80-90% 
user, 5% system, 1% interrupt and 10% idle. But the process details 
under it doesn't match. mysqld was taking around 250% (WCPU) with a few 
httpd processes at 1-2%. The system is running GENERIC 8.0-REL on a Xeon 
E5630 (quad core with hyperthreading so 8 CPUs). MySQL and Apache each 
have their own jail (I don't think it will matter but just in case)


I understand why the mysqld process take more than 100% but how can I 
know what's taking the rest? Why doesn't the total user CPU usage match 
the total of the CPU usage of each process? Is there a link with 
hyperthreading?


There sure is a logical answer and I would really like to know it :)

Thanks in advance,

Martin
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Optimal RAID10 config on PERC6 (cache question)

2010-06-17 Thread Martin Turgeon

Hi everyone,

I got 2 brand new Dell R510 with 4x146 SAS 10K RPM connected to the 
PERC6 RAID adapter in a RAID10 configuration. Those servers are mostly 
going to be used for a master/master MySQL replication. Both are running 
8.0-REL amd64. When I took a look at the 'mfiutil' command to make a 
script to detect RAID failure I saw that the cache were disabled on the 
volume: (those are all Dell's default)


db1# mfiutil show volumes
mfi0 Volumes:
  Id SizeLevel   Stripe  State   Cache   Name
 mfid0 (  272G) RAID-10 64K OPTIMAL Disabled

db1# mfiutil cache mfid0
mfi0 volume mfid0 cache settings:
  I/O caching: disabled
write caching: write-back
   read ahead: none
drive write cache: default

I read in the man page of mfiutil that drive write cache is the cache 
on the physical drive which should be disable for data integrity. My 
first question is: Is the 'default' to disable the physical drive cache 
or should I modify it explicitly to disable?


I configured 'innodb_flush_method=O_DIRECT' in my.cnf to maximize 
performance, but I read that this option should only be used with a 
battery backed up RAID card. My PERC6 got a battery but I'm wondering if 
the current setting for my cache are using it correctly?


Can someone explain me the differences between the cache types? My main 
concern is data integrity in case of hardware or power failures. What 
would be the optimal configuration in that case.


Thanks in advance for your clever insights,

Martin
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Hardware monitoring with iDRAC6

2010-06-17 Thread Martin Turgeon

Hi again everyone,

I just realized after posting my question on optimal RAID config that 
the best solution for hardware monitoring would be to use the integrated 
iDRAC6. I have the Express version (no dedicated port). I have never 
worked with DRAC cards and I would like to know your opinions about the 
best way to use it for hardware monitoring. I'm not really planning on 
using the remote control features, but it would be nice too.


As I understand it, I have to configure an additional IP for iDRAC. In 
my case, the servers are going to be installed in a colocation 
datacenter so I guess I have to reserve an additional public IP for each 
servers so I can access the iDRAC remotely? What are the securiy 
implications?


I'm also configuring a Nagios installation for monitoring. Is there a 
way to plug iDRAC with Nagios to handle the notifications (snmp maybe)? 
Or should I configure an email alert in the iDRAC config (I assume there 
is a way to do that)?


Thanks for your answer on how to use iDRAC6 Express with FreeBSD 8.0,

Martin
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How can I get 100 connections in FIN_WAIT_2 state from the same IP?

2009-10-13 Thread Martin Turgeon

Hi everyone,

I would like to know if anyone knows the reason why I get a lot of
connections (more than 100) from the same IP in FIN_WAIT_2 state.

Refering to this diagram
(http://www.jxos.org/Projects/TCP/tcpstate.html), the connection enter
in FIN_WAIT_1 when the server closes the connection and in FIN_WAIT_2
when the client ACK the FIN from the server. For the connection to stay
in FIN_WAIT_2, the client must never send his FIN, right?

In this case the connections are on port 80. Is it a problem with the
client's browser or OS? Is it possible that some mobile devices doesn't
close their connections correctly to save bandwidth and battery?

I know this isn't specific to FreeBSD, but thanks for your answer anyway

Martin

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Re: Advices for a jailed MySQL server

2009-05-11 Thread Martin Turgeon

Bill Moran a écrit :

In response to Martin Turgeon free...@optiksecurite.com:


Hi everyone,

I'm starting to build a new dedicated MySQL server. I will be using 
FreeBSD 7.2-REL. My plan is to jail the latest version of MySQL 5.0 and 
to put the MySQL data outside the jail. My objective is to be able to 
update MySQL without down time. My objective would be to create another 
up to date MySQL jail and when I'm ready to make the switch, just point 
the new jail to the data outside the jail using something like a nullfs 
mount.


Is someone using something like this?

Did someone have any advice about how to update a MySQL server without 
down time?


Did someone have any advice on how to tune a dedicated MySQL server 
running FreeBSD 7.2 (Dual core Xeon, 4G RAM, mirror RAID on a PERC5 
controler 2x146G 15K)?


Thanks everyone for sharing your precious knowledge :)


I expect that what you're trying to do will work, however it's
horrifically error-prone during the upgrade procedure (what if you
forget to stop the first MySQL before you start the new one!)

If you need to do anything zero-downtime, then you probably want
to run multiple MySQL instances and use database replication to
keep the data in sync.  That way you just switch which DB is
master, then upgrade the slave ... rinse/repeat.



Hi and thanks for your reply. Sorry for the late response...

I thought about the risk of the procedure and that's why I asked here 
hoping that someone had a better idea!


Do you mean to have another jail with an up to date slave MySQL, get it 
in sync with the master and then switch the config file of the slave to 
make it a master, restart the new MySQL, change the config so that the 
apps are connecting to the new DB?


Martin
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Advices for a jailed MySQL server

2009-05-06 Thread Martin Turgeon

Hi everyone,

I'm starting to build a new dedicated MySQL server. I will be using 
FreeBSD 7.2-REL. My plan is to jail the latest version of MySQL 5.0 and 
to put the MySQL data outside the jail. My objective is to be able to 
update MySQL without down time. My objective would be to create another 
up to date MySQL jail and when I'm ready to make the switch, just point 
the new jail to the data outside the jail using something like a nullfs 
mount.


Is someone using something like this?

Did someone have any advice about how to update a MySQL server without 
down time?


Did someone have any advice on how to tune a dedicated MySQL server 
running FreeBSD 7.2 (Dual core Xeon, 4G RAM, mirror RAID on a PERC5 
controler 2x146G 15K)?


Thanks everyone for sharing your precious knowledge :)

Martin
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Upgrading jails to 7.2-RELEASE with freebsd-update

2009-05-05 Thread Martin Turgeon

Hi everyone,

It's the first time I'm using freebsd-update to upgrade my system to a 
new release. I just upgraded the base system from 7.1-RELEASE to 
7.2-RELEASE and everything went fine. I now wanted to upgrade my jails 
to the new release but freebsd-update is telling me that's already 
updated...


freebsd-update -b /usr/jail/mysql/ upgrade -r 7.2-RELEASE
freebsd-update: Cannot upgrade from 7.2-RELEASE to itself

I understand that the jails are sharing the kernel and that 
freebsd-update must be verifying the version of the kernel. So I tried 
to just fetch install the update in the jail.


freebsd-update -b /usr/jail/mysql/ fetch install
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found.
Fetching metadata signature for 7.2-RELEASE from update5.FreeBSD.org... 
done.

Fetching metadata index... done.
Inspecting system... done.
Preparing to download files... done.

No updates needed to update system to 7.2-RELEASE-p0.
No updates are available to install.
Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first.

I already used the -b option to update my jails with security updates, 
but never to a new release. What am I doing wrong?


Thanks everyone for sharing!

Martin
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Re: Upgrading jails to 7.2-RELEASE with freebsd-update

2009-05-05 Thread Martin Turgeon

Mel Flynn a écrit :

On Tuesday 05 May 2009 17:37:42 Martin Turgeon wrote:

Hi everyone,

It's the first time I'm using freebsd-update to upgrade my system to a
new release. I just upgraded the base system from 7.1-RELEASE to
7.2-RELEASE and everything went fine. I now wanted to upgrade my jails
to the new release but freebsd-update is telling me that's already
updated...

freebsd-update -b /usr/jail/mysql/ upgrade -r 7.2-RELEASE
freebsd-update: Cannot upgrade from 7.2-RELEASE to itself


Should be able to trick it using:
env UNAME_r=7.1-RELEASE-p5 freebsd-update -b /path/to/jail

(based on a quick source scan, untested).


Thanks for your answer, it worked great!

But, I'm still wondering why this is necessary? I didn't have to do this 
last time.


Thanks for the info,

Martin
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Re: Xorg - Resolution issues

2009-03-16 Thread Martin Turgeon

Francis Dubé a écrit :

Francis Dubé wrote :

Hi everyone,

I got this TV : 
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/detail/spec.do?group=tvtype=tvsubtype=lcdmodel_cd=LN40A330J1DXZCfullspec=F 



I'm trying to use it as my screen under FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE with a 
resolution of 1366x768 which is suposed to be suported by the TV, 
acording with the TV's specs. I did the same with another very similar 
TV and it was working #1 without having to create any Xorg.conf, a 
plain startx and the display was perfect (1366x768).


With my new TV, X only start in 1280x720. So I created a config file 
with Xorg -configure, then I tried to force Xorg to use 1366x768 but 
it keeps loading in 1280x720. In my Xorg.0.log it looks like there's 
no support for the resolution I want :


[...]
(==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[...]
(II) RADEON(0): Panel infos found from DDC detailed: 1280x720
[...]
(II) RADEON(0): Supported additional Video Mode:
(II) RADEON(0): clock: 74.2 MHz   Image Size:  160 x 90 mm
(II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1280  h_sync: 1390  h_sync_end 1430 
h_blank_end 1650 h_border: 0
(II) RADEON(0): v_active: 720  v_sync: 725  v_sync_end 730 v_blanking: 
750 v_border: 0

(II) RADEON(0): Supported additional Video Mode:
(II) RADEON(0): clock: 74.2 MHz   Image Size:  160 x 90 mm
(II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 2008  h_sync_end 2052 
h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0
(II) RADEON(0): v_active: 540  v_sync: 542  v_sync_end 547 v_blanking: 
562 v_border: 0
(II) RADEON(0): Ranges: V min: 23  V max: 61 Hz, H min: 26  H max: 68 
kHz, PixClock max 150 MHz

(II) RADEON(0): Monitor name: SAMSUNG
[...]
(II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 using initial mode 1280x720
[...]

This is how i configured my resolution in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf :
[...]
Section Screen
   Identifier Screen0
   Device Card0
   MonitorMonitor0
   DefaultDepth 24
   SubSection Display
   Viewport   0 0
   Depth 24
   Modes   1366x768
   EndSubSection
EndSection
[...]

My video card is a Radeon HD 3450 and my Xorg version is xorg-7.3_2

Also, the only other resolution supported by the TV according to the 
log file would be 1920x540...but it's not supported by the TV !


Am I missing something ?

Thanks for reading.

Francis
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I had this problem last month, I tought it was fixed using this little 
trick suggested by Polytropon :


Polytropon wrote :

If it doesn't work, there's always an option to use xrandr via
~/.xinitrc:

xrandr --size 1366x768 
xrandr --fb 1366x768 

I have a similar issue with the ati driver, using an ATI Radeon 9200
(RV250) which I need to force to 1400x1050 (worked with old XFree86
and the setting in the config file, as you mentioned it). The
autodetection of the screen (21 CRT) leads to stupid values that
are completely unusable.
The screen is located far from my office so I can't be in front of it to 
test, that's why I haven't spotted it wasn't working. I tought it was 
because when i take a screenshot with 'scrot' i get a full screenshot in 
1366x768 and everything is clean, but the TV itself shows a 1280x720 
display. I should've watched the Xorg's log instead of simply assuming 
it was working with a screenshot, but anyway now my problem is the same 
: The PC is configured in 1366x768, but the TV don't care and shows a 
1280x720.


Anyone got a similar issue and a way to fix it ?

Thanks,

Francis Dubé


Hi!

I have the same problem with the same model of TV (Samsung A330). Did 
you solved your problem?


Thanks,

Martin

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Routing with external interface doesn't work after a while

2006-10-18 Thread Martin Turgeon
Hi everyone,

 

I've been reading the mailing list for a while, but it's my first post. I'm
not sure what is causing the problem so I'm posting to multiple lists. I'm
running FreeBSD 6.1 on a Celeron 2.8GHz with 512Mo of RAM. It looks likes
after a while (a couple of weeks) the routing isn't working anymore, but
only with the external interface (the one connected to my cable modem from
Videotron in Montreal). The box is acting as the gateway of the network with
PF, OpenVPN 2.0.5-1 and ISC-DHCPd 3.0.3-1 running. The problem also occurred
on FreeBSD 6.0 on another box.

 

The routing table looks ok.

The external interface is still receiving ARP requests but nothing is going
out from my internal network.

When I run tcpdump on my internal interface I can see the request to the DNS
server of my ISP but running tcpdump on the external interface isn't showing
anything related to that. It's like if the packet disappeared.

Tcpdump on pflog0 isn't showing any good traffic that is being blocked

 

Here's what I tried with no result:

 

I tried to flush the states with pfctl -Fs

I tried to reload the NAT with pfctl -N

 

The solution was to renew the address of the external interface with
dhclient fxp0.

 

I looked back at the routing table after the dhclient fxp0 and nothing
changed except the address of the default gateway because my IP address
changed of subnetwork.

 

I don't think it's related to the ISP because I'm not seeing any packet
going out of the external interface.

 

Here is a little more detail about the box:

 

Uname -a:

FreeBSD gateway.bureau.own 6.1-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p5 #2: Fri Sep
15 14:59:44 EDT 2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/OPTIK  i386

 

The external interface is a Intel 10/100 onboard an Asus motherboard with
fxp driver

 

Thanks for your help

 

Martin

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RE: Routing with external interface doesn't work after a while

2006-10-18 Thread Martin Turgeon
The NAT rules are already written that way:

nat on $wan_if tag LAN_WAN_NAT tagged LAN_WAN - ($wan_if)
nat on $wan_if tag WLS_WAN_NAT tagged WLS_WAN - ($wan_if)
nat on $wan_if tag AP_WAN_NAT tagged AP_WAN - ($wan_if)
nat on $wan_if tag VPN_WAN_NAT tagged VPN_WAN - ($wan_if)

Thanks anyway

Martin

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De : Erik Norgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Envoyé : 18 octobre 2006 10:30
À : Martin Turgeon
Cc : freebsd-pf@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Objet : Re: Routing with external interface doesn't work after a while

Martin Turgeon wrote:

 I've been reading the mailing list for a while, but it's my first post.
I'm
 not sure what is causing the problem so I'm posting to multiple lists. I'm
 running FreeBSD 6.1 on a Celeron 2.8GHz with 512Mo of RAM. It looks likes
 after a while (a couple of weeks) the routing isn't working anymore, but
 only with the external interface (the one connected to my cable modem from
 Videotron in Montreal). The box is acting as the gateway of the network
with
 PF, OpenVPN 2.0.5-1 and ISC-DHCPd 3.0.3-1 running. The problem also
occurred
 on FreeBSD 6.0 on another box.

Is your external ip configured with dhcp? I would guess this is because 
your ip on the external interface changes. Your NAT rules will still go 
to the old ip and hence nowhere. If reloading your pf ruleset solves the 
problem, then this is a strong indication.

There is some trick to handle that, IIRC something like this would do:

ext_if=fxp0 # external interface
nat on $ext_if from lan  to !lan - ($ext_if)

The () means that pf will lookup the ip on that interface, and update 
dynamically when the ip changes.

Well, that's how I remember it, I couldn't find where I've seen it, but 
there is a trick like this.

Cheers, Erik
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RE: Routing with external interface doesn't work after a while

2006-10-18 Thread Martin Turgeon
You're right on this, the filtering rules aren't written with the brackets.
But isn't pf routing the packets to an interface instead of an IP address.

Thanks a lot

Martin

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Envoyé : 18 octobre 2006 12:41
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Cc : freebsd-pf@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Objet : Re: Routing with external interface doesn't work after a while

Martin Turgeon wrote:
 The NAT rules are already written that way:
 
 nat on $wan_if tag LAN_WAN_NAT tagged LAN_WAN - ($wan_if)
 nat on $wan_if tag WLS_WAN_NAT tagged WLS_WAN - ($wan_if)
 nat on $wan_if tag AP_WAN_NAT tagged AP_WAN - ($wan_if)
 nat on $wan_if tag VPN_WAN_NAT tagged VPN_WAN - ($wan_if)

How are your tags created? If somewhere in the nat/tag/filtering process 
  you've missed the dynamic update of the external ip it may fail there...

Cheers, Erik
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