Re: Corrupted C Compiler

2006-12-05 Thread Rachel Florentine
81- Original Message 
From: Jan Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

When you have a chance, it'd be nice to get a detailed error report
(including the command you were running to clean up the libraries).
 


I get this error when I try to runzope:

ImportError: No module named cPersistence

I yahoo'd this page:

http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/zope-List/1985451

which told me about the problem with my corrupted files (c extensions) and said 
I needed to recompile them with this command:

python setup.py build_ext -if

which takes care of that problem. What is interesting is that I do not have 
this problem if I compile from port! Now, all I'm doing is the 
configure-make-make install-make instance dance, which is a no-brainer.
TIA,
Rachel



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Re: Corrupted C Compiler

2006-12-05 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: Josh Paetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]


That rebuilds the python C library interface stuff I believe, but 
doesn't have anything at all to do with the system C compiler.  There 
is nothing wrong with your system C compiler.

Well, that's a relief! Thanks!

If you look at the Zope port there are a bunch of FreeBSD-specific 
patches and some additional magic is performed after the build that 
would also be FreeBSD-centric.  I suspect your problems perhaps stem 
from the fact that installing Zope by hand doesn't give you these 
patches.

Okay. That makes sense :) Thanks again :)
Rachel






 

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Re: How Do Binary Repair

2006-12-05 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: Josh Paetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yes, someone else already clued me in ;)
Thanks,
Rachel





 

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Corrupted C Compiler

2006-12-04 Thread Rachel Florentine
106Hi;
I entered the following stupid command:
cp -R /* /ad2
thinking that would copy the contents of my working HD to my new 1/2 teraflop 
HD (ad2). What it did was manage to wipe out some very important files (thank 
goodness I had up-to-date backups) and it appears to have corrupted gcc...my C 
compiler. I deduce this because when I go to build Zope (as an example) from 
source I have to run a script afterwards that repairs the broken C files. 
(This, strangely, is not the case if I build Zope from port.) So, my questions 
for you programmers more experienced than I, are:

1) Does my assessment make sense? Is gcc corrupt?
2) Whether it is or not, how should I troubleshoot/fix my problem? It seems to 
me I should re-install FBSD, but how?

TIA,
Rachel




 

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Re: Corrupted C Compiler

2006-12-04 Thread Rachel Florentine


- Original Message 
From: Josh Paetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's not immediately clear to me what you mean by repairing broken C 
files.  The port uses the Zope source and the system compiler, 
presumably the same source and compiler you are using to build it by 
hand.  Are you sure you aren't just 'doing it wrong' ?

Positive.

If you really suspect gcc is corrupted then some sort of binary repair 
is really your only option.  A make buildworld/make installworld is 
unlikely to be feasible.

So how do I do that?
Rachel






 

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How Do Binary Repair

2006-12-04 Thread Rachel Florentine
75Hi;
I broke gcc. Yes, I'm pretty confident that's what I did. How do I repair it? 
Or is this the wrong forum to ask?
TIA,
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Re: How Do Binary Repair

2006-12-04 Thread Rachel Florentine
82- Original Message 
From: Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Reinstall from backup or fresh binary media.

So go to GNU and look for a gcc tarball and have at it. But that's not the FBSD 
way of doing things, is it? I wouldn't do that with MySQL, for example, I'd use 
the port, right? So, what's the FBSD way of doing this?
TIA,
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Re: How Do Binary Repair

2006-12-04 Thread Rachel Florentine
108

- Original Message 
From: Peter A. Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm assuming that you are talking about GCC in the base system?

How do you propose to recompile GCC without GCC?  I suppose you could do
a make buildworld but not if you don't have a working compiler.



:) So from source, then.
Rachel




 

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Re: How Do Binary Repair

2006-12-04 Thread Rachel Florentine
858376

- Original Message 
From: Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Rachel Florentine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Uh, what I said.  Fresh binary media = either reinstall from an iso
image, or extract a copy of the damaged files from the freebsd release
media in another way (e.g. fetch the base.* files from the ftp site,
and pass through cat | tar -xfj -).



Okay, please walk me through this one, since I can't afford to screw it up. The 
server is on the other side of the planet, so reinstalling from an iso is 
impractical. How do I fetch the base files?
TIA,
Rachel




 

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Re: Corrupted C Compiler

2006-12-04 Thread Rachel Florentine
76

- Original Message 
From: Jan Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't think it makes much sense, no. Zope is python-based and unless 
you're building products that rely on native libraries, what you 
describe doesn't sound like an accurate diagnosis. It's more likely 
(this is a stab in the dark) that you're running a script to regerate 
.pyc files; these are precompiled python bytecode files that are built 
from the corresponding .py files.

I don't have my references in front of me, but I ran into an error when I tried 
to runzope that I didn't understand, so I yahoo'd it and discovered that my c 
libraries were corrupted. It was recommended I run a certain command to clean 
them up. I ran that command and everything went smoothly. I repeated this 
process a few times. So yes, I'm sure that's what I did.
Rachel






 

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Re: Installation Problem

2006-12-01 Thread Rachel Florentine
77- Original Message 
From: Tom McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Just install from the FreeBSD ports tree.

 cd /usr/ports/net/py-ldap2  make install clean

Thanks,
Rachel






 

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Data Recovery

2006-11-30 Thread Rachel Florentine
Hi;
Is there a data recovery utility anywhere available? Not one that loads into 
Windoze, but straight into FBSD. I tried the following command to back up my 
working HD to my new 1/2 teraflop HD:

cp -R /* /ad2

and I managed to crash the system (recovered easily) and fry some important 
files on ad2. 
TIA,
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Problem w/ Zope Port

2006-11-30 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: HAYASHI Yasushi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi, maintainer comes here.

 Do NOT make clean before make instance, please.

make install instance clean?
...or...
make install
make instance
make clean?

Also, where do I specify where I want the instance? I saw no opportunity to do 
that, just username and password.

 By the way, what kind of document will be necessary?

After make install stuff prints to screen advising one what to do next. That 
would be a good place, I think ;)
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What Did I Do To My Server?!

2006-11-29 Thread Rachel Florentine
75Hi;
I thought I'd backup the working drive of my server to my new .5 teraflop HD. 
When I tried, something went haywire. It deleted the most important parts of my 
Zope installations (which are backed up) but now I can't install Zope. It 
throws strange errors. What could have happened? How do I troubleshoot this? 
Been at it 10 hours today...no luck.
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Re: What Did I Do To My Server?!

2006-11-29 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Could you please show the actual out-put when zope fails
 to install?

It's long. I'll put it at the end.

 Even better might be to know what commands you issued
 and the output of your failed backup, which might let on
 what is actually wrong, since simple pax/tar/dump operations
 rarely (never) go haywire for _no_ reason.

cp -R /* /ad2

 At a guess, you still have zope listed in /var/db/pkg and need
 to make deinstall or pkg_delete before you can reinstall it.

I tried everything I could think of...that and a whole lot more. I got my 
clients' sites up and running, thank goodness, but now I'm trying to get my 
site up (on another instance). Here's the error, and I don't understand it, 
because there is no Data.fs.lock and the permissions should be just fine 
(always worked before, same permissions as the other instance, same 
effective-user):

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/run.py, line 50, in ?
run()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/run.py, line 19, in run
start_zope(opts.configroot)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/__init__.py, line 52, in 
start_zope
starter.startZope()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/__init__.py, line 231, in 
startZope
Zope.startup()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 47, in startup
_startup()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/App/startup.py, line 57, in startup
DB = configuration.dbtab.getDatabase('/', is_root=1)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/DBTab/DBTab.py, line 96, in getDatabase
db = self._createDatabase(name, is_root)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/DBTab/DBTab.py, line 113, in 
_createDatabase
db = factory.open()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/datatypes.py, line 175, in 
open
DB = self.createDB()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/datatypes.py, line 172, in 
createDB
return ZODBDatabase.open(self)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/config.py, line 97, in open
return ZODB.DB(section.storage.open(),
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/config.py, line 128, in open
quota=self.config.quota)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 227, in 
__init__
self._lock_file = LockFile(file_name + '.lock')
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/lock_file.py, line 60, in __init__
self._fp = open(path, 'w+')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/usr/local/zope/instance2/var/Data.fs.lock'


 

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Re: What Did I Do To My Server?!

2006-11-29 Thread Rachel Florentine
828282- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just tried substituting the Data.fs from the instance that has the problem 
into the instance that is now working and got a new error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/run.py, line 50, in ?
run()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/run.py, line 19, in run
start_zope(opts.configroot)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/__init__.py, line 52, in 
start_zope
starter.startZope()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/__init__.py, line 231, in 
startZope
Zope.startup()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 47, in startup
_startup()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/App/startup.py, line 57, in startup
DB = configuration.dbtab.getDatabase('/', is_root=1)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/DBTab/DBTab.py, line 96, in getDatabase
db = self._createDatabase(name, is_root)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/DBTab/DBTab.py, line 113, in 
_createDatabase
db = factory.open()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/datatypes.py, line 175, in 
open
DB = self.createDB()
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/datatypes.py, line 172, in 
createDB
return ZODBDatabase.open(self)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/config.py, line 97, in open
return ZODB.DB(section.storage.open(),
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/config.py, line 128, in open
quota=self.config.quota)
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 283, in 
__init__
read_only=read_only,
  File /usr/local/zope/278/lib/python/ZODB/FileStorage.py, line 1841, in 
read_index
raise FileStorageFormatError, name
ZODB.FileStorage.FileStorageFormatError: /usr/local/zope/instance1/var/Data.fs

Now, how could my backup be corrupted when it was working fine before and after 
backing up?
Rachel





 

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Getting Qmail Ezmlm To Work

2006-11-23 Thread Rachel Florentine
757575Hi;
I installed qmail from source because of problems with the port. I installed 
vpopmail from port okay. I installed ezmlm-idx from port; however, it doesn't 
appear to communicate with one or both of the other two programs. I can issue 
commands from the command prompt to create a list, add members, etc...all that 
works fine. But if I try to subscribe by email, nothing happens. That's why I 
think there's a communication problem between programs. Perhaps what I need to 
do is compile ezmlm from port and specify the location/installation for qmail 
and/or vpopmail? Please advise. Also, if you would be so kind (since I had 
major problems with this with the openldap port), if you can please provide the 
command to build ezmlm-idx.
TIA,
Rachel




 

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Ezmlm Port Okay Or Junk?

2006-11-21 Thread Rachel Florentine
105Hi;
Okay, I learned from sad experience and you all that the qmail port is junk. 
What about ezmlm? Same thing? Or good to go?
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Re: Qmail Vpopmail From Ports

2006-11-19 Thread Rachel Florentine
7676Thanks everyone for your help. It's been a long weekend with lots of 
mistakes, but I'm up now.
Rachel




 

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Best Hardware Choices

2006-11-19 Thread Rachel Florentine
8080Hi;
I need to buy new h/w that I'm going to use specifically to build an 
experimental server...one that I can screw up with without crashing clients' 
sites ;) What motherboard, chip, hard drive and firewall pci card do you guys 
recommend for FBSD? I'm rebuilding a standalone box connected to a satellite 
dish.
TIA,
Rachel




 

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Qmail Vpopmail From Ports

2006-11-18 Thread Rachel Florentine
Hi;
I've installed both qmail and vpopmail from ports. Qmail is up and running 
because of the great instructions provided. But I haven't figured out how to 
get vpopmail up (and, of course, working with qmail). Please help.
Rachel




 

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Re: Qmail Vpopmail From Ports

2006-11-18 Thread Rachel Florentine
797984- Original Message 
From: Peter Thoenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://dev.qmailrocks.org/qmail/freebsd/109 is your friend.



Well, going to that page led me to this as the authority for vpopmail:

http://dev.qmailrocks.org/qmail/freebsd/vpopmail_std.htm

(I already have qmail working.) That page seems to only offer these two 
commands as advice (since I've installed vpopmail and qmail from ports):

chown vpopmail:vchkpw ~vpopmail/bin/vchkpw
chmod 6711 ~vpopmail/bin/vchkpw

And, according to the instructions...

If you don't get any errors, then Vpopmail is good to go!

Well, I didn't get any errors, but when I reboot and ps there's no vpopmail :( 
What do?
TIA,
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Re: Qmail Vpopmail From Ports

2006-11-18 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: John L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Why would I want to rip out a perfectly good installation?

 Because it's not perfectly good.  Many of the patches only sort of work.

 I just want to get vpopmail working with qmail.

 If you don't care whether it crashes mysteriously and loses mail, you 
 might as well use the port.  If you actually want it to work, delete the 
 port and use netqmail.

John, there's a rationalle for using ports, you know. A very, very strong 
argument in favor of them. 
Would you mind telling me how to get vpopmail working?
TIA,
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Qmail Vpopmail From Ports

2006-11-18 Thread Rachel Florentine
But...I already have qmail working from port!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:local/vpopmail/bin (106) ps|grep qmail
  368 con- S  0:00.93 supervise qmail-send
  370 con- S  0:00.91 supervise qmail-smtpd
  813 con- I  0:00.02 qmail-lspawn ./Mailbox
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:local/vpopmail/bin (107)

Why would I want to rip out a perfectly good installation? I just want to get 
vpopmail working with qmail.
TIA,
Rachel

- Original Message 
From: John Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc:
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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:02:55 PM
Subject: Re: Qmail  Vpopmail From Ports

Don't install qmail from the port, which includes a whole bunch of
ill-advised patches.  Instead, download and install netqmail 1.05 from
www.qmail.org, which has a small set of patches that really work.

I've been meaning to make a port of netqmail, but haven't had time yet.

You'll also want daemontools and ucspi-tcp.  For both of those, the
ports are OK.

Haven't tried the port of vpopmail, but the port has a disconcertingly
large number of patches that it silently applies.

R's,
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Re: Qmail Vpopmail From Ports

2006-11-18 Thread Rachel Florentine
7883- Original Message 
From: Tom Ierna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I've installed qmail/vpopmail many ways - from source, using the instructions
 from qmailrocks and most recently using the instructions found here:


 http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/install.shtml108


 The toaster method seems to me to be the most comprehensive, and you can 
 use (or not use) ports as you see fit.


make test resulted in this:

Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of Failed
---
t/Toaster.t1   256411   2.44%  22
t/toaster-watcher.t1   256231   4.35%  21
7 tests and 5 subtests skipped.
Failed 2/24 test scripts, 91.67% okay. 2/364 subtests failed, 99.45% okay.
*** Error code 255

Stop in /usr/local/Mail-Toaster-5.03.

I'm toast.
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Re: Qmail Vpopmail From Ports

2006-11-18 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: John L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 In general I agree.  The qmail port, unlike most of the other ports, is 
 junk.



I didn't realize you're the author of O'Reilly's book on Qmail :)
I'll take your opinion a little more seriously.
I noticed that although I have all my processes up:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log/qmail (105) ps|grep qmail
  368 con- S  0:00.15 supervise qmail-send
  370 con- S  0:00.16 supervise qmail-smtpd
  804 con- S  0:00.00 qmail-lspawn ./Mailbox
 2068  p0  D+ 0:00.00 grep qmail

nothing new seems to have been added into any of the current logs! Is there a 
way to build qmail with ports, configuring it around the problems? If not, the 
reason I'm doing this is to get ezmlm-idx up. How do you recommend I build?
TIA,
Rachel




 

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The Mystery Of the Disappearing Processes

2006-11-17 Thread Rachel Florentine
Hi;
My server crashed yesterday. We finally got it back up. The problem was a 
startup script that I'd created. However, now that it's back up, when I ps some 
of the processes which are running (notably Zope) don't show up. Qmail doesn't 
show up either *unless* I shut it down and restart it (but that doesn't make 
the Zope processes show up). What's going on here?
TIA,
Rachel




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What Is the PATH to cyrus-sasl2?

2006-11-15 Thread Rachel Florentine
Hi;
I'm building openldap from source since I can't figure out how to pass 
arguments to the port. I need to build with cyrus-sasl2, which is built. 
However, I don't know what the path is, and my build can't find it by itself. 
Please help.
TIA,
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Re: What Is the PATH to cyrus-sasl2?

2006-11-15 Thread Rachel Florentine
737373- Original Message 
From: Jan Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The generic approach to determining what a port has installed and where 
 is this:

pkg_info -L {package name}

Thanks. It said it couldn't find it. I just decided to unistall it and install 
it from the tarball.
Rachel






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Re: How To Configure w/ FreeBSD

2006-11-15 Thread Rachel Florentine
71717171

- Original Message 
From: FRLinux [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hello, as someone mentionned, you are quite off-topic here. Besides, a
 trip to the ports documentation would be advised. Start with make
 config then work your way through. As a personal experience, FreeBSD
 is what we mostly use for master/slaves and it has proven really easy
 to configure/upgrade and work with.

LOL!! I've spent a WEEK on this! I had someone who obviously knew 
what he was talking about on the ldap@umich.edu list tell me to forget about 
trying to build the openldap port from FreeBSD with options because it's 
impossible! And he's right! Sorry!
Rachel






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Building Ports w/ Options, Env

2006-11-14 Thread Rachel Florentine
71- Original Message 
From: Nils Vogels [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 What you put between the brackets [], is passed to make ans should
 be
 options that make recognizes.

 A small example:

 MAKE_ARGS = {
 'www/squid' = 'CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-delay-pools
 --enable-snmp --enable-ssl --enable-ipf-transparent
 --enable-removal-policies',
 'mail/imp' = 'WITH_HTML=yes WITH_COURIER-IMAP=yes',
  }

Okay, that makes sense! Is it, then, the same thing with env variables? Just 
put everything between the cury braces (or are they brackets??) in the 
MAKE_ARGS definition?

 HTH  HAND

Now that's a new one. HTH I understand, but what's HAND stand for?
TIA,
Rachel











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Re: Building Ports w/ Options, Env

2006-11-14 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 MAKE_ARGS = {
 'www/squid' = 'CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-delay-pools
 --enable-snmp --enable-ssl --enable-ipf-transparent
 --enable-removal-policies',
 'mail/imp' = 'WITH_HTML=yes WITH_COURIER-IMAP=yes',
  }
 
 Okay, that makes sense! Is it, then, the same thing with env variables? Just 
 put 
 everything between the cury braces (or are they brackets??) in the 
 MAKE_ARGS definition?

Eric, two questions:
1) Are they brackets [] or curly braces {} or does it matter?
2) Can you give me an example of how to include env vars? That would be 
different than 'CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--...', right?

TIA,
Rachel






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Re: Building Ports w/ Options, Env

2006-11-14 Thread Rachel Florentine
- Original Message 
From: Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 MAKE_ARGS = {
 'www/squid' = 'CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-delay-pools
 --enable-snmp --enable-ssl --enable-ipf-transparent
 --enable-removal-policies',
 'mail/imp' = 'WITH_HTML=yes WITH_COURIER-IMAP=yes',
  }
 
 Okay, that makes sense! Is it, then, the same thing with env variables? Just 
 put 
 everything between the cury braces (or are they brackets??) in the 

 MAKE_ARGS definition?

Eric, two questions:
1) Are they brackets [] or curly braces {} or does it matter?
2) Can you give me an example of how to include env vars? That would be 
different than 'CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--...', right?

TIA,
Rachel











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Re: Building Ports w/ Options, Env

2006-11-14 Thread Rachel Florentine
83

- Original Message 
From: Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'm no expert here but...

 1)  MAKE_ARGS (and MAKE_ENV) is a hash... so it would be curly braces.
 2)  Use MAKE_ENV.  (from the man page)
   MAKE_ENV = {

'databases/mysql41-*' = [
   'WITH_LINUXTHREADS=1',
   'SKIP_DNS_CHECK=1',
],
  }


Thanks (and HAND ;)!
Rachel






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Building Ports w/ Options, Env

2006-11-13 Thread Rachel Florentine
Hi;
Would someone kindly simply edit the following, if that's possible (if I'm not 
too far off how it should be done) so that I can have an example of how to 
build OpenLDAP with the options and env I want?

Here's what I have so far. I don't know if it's correct or not...

1. Edit /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf and enable it to read 
/usr/local/etc/pkgtools.local
2. Create the local file and add something like this:

  MAKE_ENV = {
'/usr/ports/net/openldap23-server' = [
'CC=gcc',
'CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include/openssl/'
'LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib/'
],
  }

That would set up the environment, and might actually be correct as written ;) 
I'm a whole lot less confident of the following:

  MAKE_ARGS = {
'/usr/ports/net/openldap23-server'= [
'--localstatedir=/var/run/slapd',
'--enable-spasswd',
etc, etc
],
  }

TIA,
Rachel





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Re: Building Ports w/ Options, Env

2006-11-13 Thread Rachel Florentine
7575- Original Message 
From: Nils Vogels [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 What you put between the brackets [], is passed to make ans should be
 options that make recognizes.

 A small example:

 MAKE_ARGS = {
 'www/squid' = 'CONFIGURE_ARGS+=--enable-delay-pools
 --enable-snmp --enable-ssl --enable-ipf-transparent
 --enable-removal-policies',
 'mail/imp' = 'WITH_HTML=yes WITH_COURIER-IMAP=yes',
  }

Okay, that makes sense! Is it, then, the same thing with env variables? Just 
put everything between the cury braces (or are they brackets??) in the 
MAKE_ARGS definition?

 HTH  HAND

Now that's a new one. HTH I understand, but what's HAND stand for?
TIA,
Rachel






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