please, a little sanity about the logo
Hello, As a rule I don't post to mailing lists, especially about bike sheds, but I have seen a firestorm on this list and questions@ concerning the logo and most of them are vitriol or hysteria or vitriolic hysteria. First, I've been using, selling, and supporting FBSD since 2.2.2. In that time, I think I have become as fond of Beastie as anyone. While selling nearly a thousand installations (not systems), I have never encountered a problem over the logo, and I have put many a Beastie badge on a case. Changing a brand identifier is not something to be done on a whim. In the case of FBSD, which has a community rather than a corporate hierarchy, decisions like this need to be floated and allowed to settle before being finalized. This leads to the first question, should the logo be changed. Frankly, I don't know. Absent marketing studies, no way exists to know. Were studies done? If yes, will they be shared? If studies were not done, what methodology was used to determine the current logo is a hindrance to FBSD gaining market share? This leads to the second question, how pick the new one. Considering Beastie has been around since the beginning with no real objection until, apparently, recently, how do you (whomever you are) know the one you pick to replace it will be _better_ and not just different? This leads to a suggestion others have already made, a splitting of FBSD into hobbyist and professional branches. The hobbyists keep Beastie, the .org site, and the non-profit status. The professionals get the new logo, the .com site, and pay for use and support (perhaps an annual subscription?). Now, an issue not yet brought up. I believe the real problem with FBSD market share has more to do with its lack of visibilty in the market itself. Other than mentions so rare that links to them are posted on the website, I see almost no news concerning FBSD. Looking through advocacy@'s archive, I seen almost no pro-active posts. So let me make this into one. Here are my suggestions to improve FBSD market share, regardless of logo change: 0. Dedicated marketing department - The Foundation as it currently exists is clearly insufficient to meet FBSD's needs. You think Redhat or Suse don't have one? 1. Advertise - There are many ways to do this besides a full-page glossy in Sys Admin. For instance, ask people using FBSD for hosting to mention that fact in their own ads. If the example of yahoo.com didn't come up from time to time on the lists, who would know they use it? 2. Make it easier for the media, etc. to find an authorative source - How many times have people posted How do I find a FBSD spokesman on various lists (especially questions@) and been given inappropriate responses from random community members. In my opinion, that has done more harm than any logo ever will. 3. Performance matters - As much as I hate this issue, it is a real one. Look at CPU, RAM, and hard drive sizes. More is better. A common refrain is how well *nix does on slow systems compared to Windows (or, emphasizing its lack of performance, Windoze). 5.3 is observably slower and less stable than 4.11. Now I have to convince customers that the slower version is the better choice. I don't even try. I won't even mention 5.x until it is at least as good as 4.11. 4. Quality support for common hardware - Anyone using USB 2.0 without problems? Trouble free installation while using a USB keyboard? SATA raid controllers? (Please don't give the tired line, Code it yourself if you want it. That's ANOTHER reason FBSD suffers in the marketplace.) To sum up, if changing the logo is being done for sound business reasons, based on sound business information, all well and good. If its being done to appease religious zealots (as seems to be the case), then FBSD will be a laughing-stock. All of the printing issues seems like an after-the-fact justification to me, especially considering that I not have ever seen any printed FBSD literature other than the few commercially available books. In either case, I doubt a logo change will have a beneficial impact given FBSD's other marketing shortcomings. For better or worse, Steve Ireland ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disconnecting keyboard: big trouble !?!
- Original Message - From: Peter Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew Emmerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 15:54 Subject: Re: disconnecting keyboard: big trouble !?! On Tuesday 23 March 2004 19.44, Matthew Emmerton wrote: snip FreeBSD should not be working around user's bad practices. It has *always* been a bad idea to hot-plug PS/2 peripherals, and until USB is the norm, will continue to be the case. Again I've never heard of anyone running into any kind of problems due to this. And someone else recently posted about not being able to find any conclusive information on this info at all while googling. So really I don't consider it bad practice at all, since I have never heard of a failure, nor seen any concrete evidence why it would actually be bad. -- / Peter Schuller, InfiDyne Technologies HB Hello, I wasn't to post further to this to the list as it is not FreeBSD related, but it seems to be of community interest. Why is PS/2 different from USB? Leaving aside the different physical and electronic designs, the USB spec calls for hotplugging, and the PS/2 spec doesn't. The PS/2 IO spec, written in 1986-87 as part of IBM's Micro Channel architecture, doesn't mention hotplugging all. It probably never occurred to the original engineers that someone would try it. (Ever see a spark when plugging something into a wall socket?) Interestingly, every operating system I've used since PS/2 came on the market either had no way to detect a PS/2 device was hotplugged, or it was disabled by default. I believe that's for a reason. As always, whenever there is a blank spot in a spec, different companies fill it in differently, so too with PS/2 controllers. Here is what I have witnessed first-hand happen when hotplugging: works perfectly, fails to recognize the keyboard without power cycling, fails to recognize both the keyboard and mouse because they were in the wrong ports, and of course blows the MB. Also, just because it worked on one particular MB, don't assume that make and model is safe. As I commented off-list, a likely scenario is Brand X buys its components from various suppliers that have various brands with various models within brands with various revisions within models; each of which may or may not support hotplugging. Ultimately, the question is, what will the particular controller on the motherboard in the box in front of you do when you hotplug it? Two methods exist for finding out: the smoke test (pull the plugs, put them back in, wait for smoke) and o-scoping the ports. Because I don't care for smoke tests and don't usually have a scope handy, I power down. Is it a hassle? Oh yeah, but not as big a hassle as replacing a MB in a box at a colo or datacenter or my desk at home, for that matter. For those with a perverse sense of humor, IBM has extended the PS/2 spec for optical mice, etc. but has not added hotplugging. The perverse part? You can hotplug some of their product lines. But you didn't hear that from me ;). Regards, Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disconnecting keyboard: big trouble !?!
- Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 00:42 Subject: Re: disconnecting keyboard: big trouble !?! Robert Huff wrote: For some reason, I needed to borrow the keyboard from my FreeBSD PC (running 4.9 STABLE). So I disconnected the keyboard. When I reconnected it some time later, the system refused to use the keyboard. Key hits were totally ignored. Is the keyboard USB or PS/2? Sorry, forgot to mention this. Yes, it is PS/2. Both, mouse and keyboard are. Is there really no way to let FreeBSD reinitialize the keyboard? Is a reboot the only way to go when the PS/2 keyboard has been unplugged? Regards, Rob. This is a PS/2 thing, not an operating system thing. You really can fry your motherboard plugging and unplugging PS/2 devices while the system is powered up. Regards, Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which 8-port 10/100 hub is best?
- Original Message - From: Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FreeBSD Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 22:45 Subject: which 8-port 10/100 hub is best? People, I'm upgrading my hub from a 5-port hub and thought I would check with this list to see if the Linksys EFAH08W is still a good deal. If there is somethng other that would work equally well on my FreeBSD netwrk, please le me know. (I've had good luck with Linksys, but have read some negative comments.) thanks much, gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix I like Allied Telesyn and Cisco. 3Com is OK. Linksys is fine for hubs, small switches, and home network routers. Intellinet is utter crap. I never used D-link. Regards, Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: du
- Original Message - From: Lowell Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Henning, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 16:15 Subject: Re: du Please don't top-post. Henning, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only reason why I question it is when I lookup the size in windows (the directory is shared with samba) I see it as less. From bsd: 390 /home/henninb/jpg From windows: 372KB windows Is it because of the share or the change in platform? How did you measure it on Windows? I suspect what's happening is that Windows gave you the actual sum of the sizes of all the files, whereas du(1) counts the space *used* by all the files. In other words, the Windows tool is giving a count in bytes, whereas du(1) is giving a count in disk blocks (rounded up to the nearest block, because that space is unavailable for other files to use). It may have. Starting with W2K, if you right click a file and select properties, you are given two file sizes: Size and Size on disk. Size on disk is the total size - file size and the so-called slack space. Using any other method (such as Explorer or the dir command) gives only the file size. Always be careful to compare apples to apples ;) To get tangential for a moment, an interesting exercise is to discover how many different methods Windows has for reporting total harddrive size and how many different values are returned. An additional exercise for the advanced student is to find out why different methods report values. (Hint: Sometimes Windows sucks) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qmail-scanner.pl and perl 5.8?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 20:54 Subject: qmail-scanner.pl and perl 5.8? snip if I look in /usr/bin I see: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel23 Nov 6 11:49 suidperl - /usr/local/bin/suidperl if I do a ls -l /usr/local/bin | grep suidperl I get nothing. So the SymLink is pointing to nothing? I did: cd /usr/ports/lang/perl5.8 make install clean use.perl port Should I not use perl 5.8? did they remove the suidperl in 5.8? If you are wondering yes I cvsup my ports to the current. snip Did you uncomment ENABLE_SUIDPERL= true in your make.conf? Regards, Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB mouse trouble
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From: Yuriy Gerasimov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 19:35
Subject: USB mouse trouble
My rc.conf:
usbd_enable=YES
moused_enable=NO
My usbd.conf:
device Mouse
devname ums[0-9]+
attach /usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/${DEVNAME} -I
/var/run/moused.${DEVNAME}.pid -t auto; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on
Unless you are manually starting moused, you need to set
moused_enable=YES in rc.conf.
Regards,
Steve
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Re: web server
- Original Message - From: Blain M Gatterdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 22:09 Subject: web server Hello, Is it possible to turn my pc into a web server? I would like to make it so that certain people can remotely access my computer and edit the web-page (s). is this possible or can I do something like it? If so, im a newbie so I would need step by step information on how to achieve this. I am running an AMD athlon xp 2500+ on an asus a7n8x motherboard with 256mb of ddr ram and a geforce4 graphics accelerator, with a 80gig western digital partitioned to 20 gigs for my FreeBSD.. Thank you! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Certainly you can do that! Although, if you're doing it over the Internet from a non-business connection, it would depend on your ISP's AUP/TOS ;-). You don't mention which server you're thinking of running. Apache is the most common and is very easy to learn. Check out http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ for the tried and true 1.3.x branch or http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ for the new technology branch. Whichever server you decide to use, think, Security, security, security. You wouldn't want to discover that the Visigoths left a turd in your punchbowl when you weren't looking. Regards, Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update utility
- Original Message - From: Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ioannis Vranos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FreeBSD Questions Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 17:24 Subject: Re: Update utility Bart Silverstrim wrote: On Mar 8, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Ioannis Vranos wrote: Is there any utility in FreeBSD 4.9 to check for possible updates/bug fixes via internet? I *think* have have kind of a handle on this on the server I just installed... I usually do a cvsup to update the list of the ports tree, then use a procedure I picked out of http://www.freebsddiary.org/portupgrade.php to update applications with portupgrade. If anyone else has a method other than this, I'd love to know the procedure :-) This only updates ports. Updating FreeBSD, I don't know of anything other than if you find a security advisory, you have to have the src tree and patch that portion and recompile whatever had the vulnerability, following the advisory instructions. I'm thinking that since most daemons/applications are from ports, keeping your ports tree updated should limit most remote exploits...I would be interested in knowing of a way to check whether the installation of the OS is up to date, though. Colin Percival has done something kinda new and different (and interesting.) he calls FreeBSD Update. I've not tried it, but IIRC the details are at http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/ HTH, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Below is from a post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounds like what you're looking for. I haven't tested it yet, but it my list of things to look into. HTH, Steve On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 03:27:17PM +1100, Michael Vince wrote: Hi all I thought I would let you people know of a script that I coded that facilitates security patch updating on FreeBSD. When I wrote it I decided to called it Quickpatch for some reason even though because its source based its not necessarily the least bit quick at all :) I had kept it for my self for a while but I was recently provoked to release it as it could do greater good being out there on the net, because its in Perl its quite hackable for custom needs. http://www.roq.com/projects/quickpatch/ It has the ability to do a range of different update tasks. These features include the ability to easily verify (using PGP) any and all advisories, easy setup and use of CVSUP for source and ports tree updates. Ability to extract all the useful data out of the official FreeBSD security advisories, such as necessary patch commands, security advisory topic, exact hours since the patch was made/released, then can create ready to run patch files or display/email a full report of that information. Also, it can optionally apply the patch files with no attendance. Because its highly cronable you can schedule in a 'patch mode' kernel recompile and reboot at early morning hours to minimize down time inconvenience to others. Michael, that's terrific! We've contemplated switching to a machine-readable format for advisories time and again. Now that there is a tool that could make use of that, I'm going to investigate switching again. Cheers, -- Jacques Vidrine / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DHCP issue with comcast (FreeBSD router).
- Original Message - From: Andrew Boothman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Richard Uhlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 20:25 Subject: Re: DHCP issue with comcast (FreeBSD router). Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: Richard Uhlman wrote: Hello, I am new to using FreeBSD, and I am trying to use a FreeBSD box as a firewall/router. I am trying to get the router working correctly first. My issue is that my box will not receive an IP address from Comcast when the dhclient starts. I commented out all of the firewall commands in my rc.conf file, but left the ifconfig_ep0=DHCP. The machine is running 2 NIC's and I have verified that the correct one has the cable plugged into it. I am running release 5.2.1. No expert answer, just more questions. Maybe they'll help? Here's another possibility: My cable company (in the UK) requires customers to register the MAC (ethernet) address of your NIC before you're able to get an IP from them using DHCP. Don't know if comcast is the same, but it's a possibility. Andrew ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I believe Andrew may be correct. The company I work for had a customer using a Comcast business account that had to jump thru hoops to get everything working properly. One of the things was, IIRC, registering the MAC. I also remember Comcast insisted on firewalling the IP space themselves. The customer had to call Comcast to open not only outbound ports but _inbound_ ports, as well! Of course, Comcast charged a setup fee for this service AND a monthly maintenance fee. Hope this isn't the case for you, Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ruby1.8 segmentation fault
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 22:11 Subject: ruby1.8 segmentation fault Hi BSDers, I read the ports/UPDATING about ruby stuff and do accordingly, after reinstall portupgrade, I did portupgrade -fr /usr/ports/land/ruby16 and here it goes: [Updating the pkgdb format:bdb1_btree in /var/db/pkg ... - 435 packages found (-22 +61) (...)/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:467: [BUG] Segmentation fault ruby 1.8.1 (2003-12-25) [i386-freebsd4] Abort (core dumped) dont' have the balls the mess with this stuff, so...any idea? Eureka! Best regards ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, There is a problem with portupgrade. See http://freebsd.kde.org for the solution that worked for me. HTH, Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Networking problem UPDATED
- Original Message - From: Kathy Quinlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 19:46 Subject: Networking problem UPDATED I have a friend who can not get his FreeBSD 5.2 server to act as a gateway, from the internal network we can ping the external network card, but no further. From the server we can ping the entire world. I had him bring it over and set up my server(FreeBSD 4.8R as the gateway) all my clients can use my FreeBSD server fine, so I do not think the problem is in it, so I now have: ISPMy Server---his Server---laptop My Server to ISP is a dynamic IP (ppp dialup) My server internal network is 192.168.0.1 His server to my server is connected to my servers hub and his server uses ip 192.168.0.100 His server to my laptop is connected with a cross over cable, his server is 192.168.10.1 My Laptop is 192.168.10.42 From the laptop I can ping as far as the external nic on his server (192.168.0.100). From his server I can ping the world. I have googled, looked at the mailing list, but can not find the problem :o( I have re installed the server, incase he goofed up, same problem, I have swapped the external network card, same problem. His Server rc.conf: defaultrouter=192.168.0.1 gateway_enable=YES hostname=osire.home.lan ifconfig_fxp0=inet 192.168.0.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 #external nic ifconfig_rl0=inet 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 #internal nic inetd_enable=YES saver=logo sshd_enable=YES osire# netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs Use Netif Expire default192.168.0.1UGS 00 fxp0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 49lo0 192.168.0 link#1 UC 00 fxp0 192.168.0.100:02:b3:99:46:d0 UHLW13 fxp0 1043 192.168.0.254 00:e0:29:9c:ea:72 UHLW0 165 fxp0 1039 192.168.10 link#2 UC 00rl0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%fxp0/64link#1UC fxp0 fe80::2a0:c9ff:fe8e:3980%fxp0 00:a0:c9:8e:39:80 UHL lo0 fe80::%rl0/64 link#2UC rl0 fe80::240:f4ff:fe3c:9deb%rl0 00:40:f4:3c:9d:eb UHL lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#4UHL lo0 ff01::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::%fxp0/32link#1UC fxp0 ff02::%rl0/32 link#2UC rl0 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 UC lo0 osire# There is no firewall or natd running on his server My Server rc.conf: Generated by Katinka 16-07-03 amd_enable=NO gateway_enable=YES hostname=webserver.kaqelectronics.dyndns.org ifconfig_fxp0=inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig_rl0=media 10baseT/UTP up ipv6_enable=NO kern_securelevel_enable=NO portmap_enable=YES nfs_server_enable=YES mountd_flags=-r inetd_enable=YES nfs_reserved_port_only=YES saver=logo scrnmap=NO sendmail_enable=YES sshd_enable=YES tcp_extensions=YES usbd_enable=YES firewall_enable=YES firewall_type=OPEN named_enable=YES named_flags=/etc/namedb/named.conf sasl_saslauthd_enabled=YES ppp_enable=YES ppp_profile=dialup ppp_mode=ddial webserver# netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs Use Netif Expire default203.30.44.55 UGSc 1532442 tun0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 7361lo0 192.168.0 link#2 UC 50 fxp0 192.168.0.6link#2 UHLW1 4155 fxp0 192.168.0.10 00:e0:18:b0:53:00 UHLW2 165561 fxp0 944 192.168.0.100 00:a0:c9:8e:39:80 UHLW13 fxp0 845 192.168.0.254 00:e0:29:9c:ea:72 UHLW2 569747 fxp0 841 192.168.0.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 2 2578 fxp0 203.30.44.55 202.89.160.14 UH 160 tun0 webserver# I am out of ideas Regards, Kat. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, The two interfaces are on different subnets: 192.168.0.0/24 and 192.168.10.0/24. You need to either add a
Re: Networking problem UPDATED - correction
That should have been /20 not /21. Sorry, Steve - Original Message - From: Kathy Quinlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 19:46 Subject: Networking problem UPDATED I have a friend who can not get his FreeBSD 5.2 server to act as a gateway, from the internal network we can ping the external network card, but no further. From the server we can ping the entire world. I had him bring it over and set up my server(FreeBSD 4.8R as the gateway) all my clients can use my FreeBSD server fine, so I do not think the problem is in it, so I now have: ISPMy Server---his Server---laptop My Server to ISP is a dynamic IP (ppp dialup) My server internal network is 192.168.0.1 His server to my server is connected to my servers hub and his server uses ip 192.168.0.100 His server to my laptop is connected with a cross over cable, his server is 192.168.10.1 My Laptop is 192.168.10.42 From the laptop I can ping as far as the external nic on his server (192.168.0.100). From his server I can ping the world. I have googled, looked at the mailing list, but can not find the problem :o( I have re installed the server, incase he goofed up, same problem, I have swapped the external network card, same problem. His Server rc.conf: defaultrouter=192.168.0.1 gateway_enable=YES hostname=osire.home.lan ifconfig_fxp0=inet 192.168.0.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 #external nic ifconfig_rl0=inet 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 #internal nic inetd_enable=YES saver=logo sshd_enable=YES osire# netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs Use Netif Expire default192.168.0.1UGS 00 fxp0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 49lo0 192.168.0 link#1 UC 00 fxp0 192.168.0.100:02:b3:99:46:d0 UHLW13 fxp0 1043 192.168.0.254 00:e0:29:9c:ea:72 UHLW0 165 fxp0 1039 192.168.10 link#2 UC 00rl0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%fxp0/64link#1UC fxp0 fe80::2a0:c9ff:fe8e:3980%fxp0 00:a0:c9:8e:39:80 UHL lo0 fe80::%rl0/64 link#2UC rl0 fe80::240:f4ff:fe3c:9deb%rl0 00:40:f4:3c:9d:eb UHL lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#4UHL lo0 ff01::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::%fxp0/32link#1UC fxp0 ff02::%rl0/32 link#2UC rl0 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 UC lo0 osire# There is no firewall or natd running on his server My Server rc.conf: Generated by Katinka 16-07-03 amd_enable=NO gateway_enable=YES hostname=webserver.kaqelectronics.dyndns.org ifconfig_fxp0=inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig_rl0=media 10baseT/UTP up ipv6_enable=NO kern_securelevel_enable=NO portmap_enable=YES nfs_server_enable=YES mountd_flags=-r inetd_enable=YES nfs_reserved_port_only=YES saver=logo scrnmap=NO sendmail_enable=YES sshd_enable=YES tcp_extensions=YES usbd_enable=YES firewall_enable=YES firewall_type=OPEN named_enable=YES named_flags=/etc/namedb/named.conf sasl_saslauthd_enabled=YES ppp_enable=YES ppp_profile=dialup ppp_mode=ddial webserver# netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs Use Netif Expire default203.30.44.55 UGSc 1532442 tun0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 7361lo0 192.168.0 link#2 UC 50 fxp0 192.168.0.6link#2 UHLW1 4155 fxp0 192.168.0.10 00:e0:18:b0:53:00 UHLW2 165561 fxp0 944 192.168.0.100 00:a0:c9:8e:39:80 UHLW13 fxp0 845 192.168.0.254 00:e0:29:9c:ea:72 UHLW2 569747 fxp0 841 192.168.0.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 2 2578 fxp0 203.30.44.55 202.89.160.14 UH 160 tun0 webserver# I am out of ideas Regards, Kat. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, The two interfaces are on different subnets: 192.168.0.0/24 and
