Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Ryan Coleman]

That would cause a lot of file hanging, with locking, if you get any decent 
amount of traffic... 

I'd just stick to the simple TXT counter for the time being.

If you did a mass file, your best bet would be to use arrays and serialize the 
data... but that's a lesson for another day.


On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Gary Kline wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 06:36:34AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 You're using a completely stock php.ini file.
 
 Look for short tags. Turn that on.
 
 ?php is long form... most scripts are using short tags.
 
 I don't see why you need the file name in the file itself... just have a 
 number there. Much faster on the CPU.
 
 
   True enough.  I could have everything in one file and simply
   print the filename and number.  I didn't know that I had the 
   option of using short flags or not.  Where do I set that?  (I'm 
   sure there are more places where i have ? anf ? rather 
   than ?php and ?; be nice to _not_ have this cause me grief 
   again)
 
   tx,
 
   gary
 
 
 
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 On Mar 25, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
 
 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 06:25:39PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Gary, you missed the put... fput($fp, $file); means you're dropping the 
 filename INTO the storage file.
 
 
 okay.  [maybe].  i think what the script does is create
 ./countdir/$file ; in this case, ./countdir/index where i create
 the file named index\n and below it the integer count.  e.g.:
 
 in directory countdir, in file index is:
 
 index
 60311
 
 to track the hits for my homepage.   in defense of this crude
 hack with no error-checking is that i have used the same script
 in at least three other virtual thought.org websites.   
 
 i was wrong is saying that the script bombed; it just failed;
 the reason was that the initial tag had been ? rather than
 ?php
 
 gary
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
 
 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 07:11:15PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote:
 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes:
 Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
 counter bomb?
 
 As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means?
 
 $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
 flock($fp, 1);
 
 You want an exclusive lock (LOCK_EX, which is 2 is you use some ancient
 PHP), not a shared lock.
 
 When updating the file:
   fputs($fp, $count);
   fputs($fp, \n);
 fputs($fp, $file);
 
 Why do you feel the need to store the filename inside the file itself?
 You don't seem to need it after.
 
 
   $file is passed from the calling php file.  index.php is by-hand
   set to
 
   $file='index'; 
 
   and so on.  
 
   Because of my shoulder/typing woes, it was great that I got clued in
   above by Brad's thought that perhaos there were mis-matched ? 
   and ? tags.  A simply recursive grepping found out that it some 
   places I had ? cr instead of ?php cr.   Adding the php 
   fixed everything.  
 
   Finally, you're right; this really, really is ancient php.
   Somthing i found pre-2004 and hacked until it worked.  The
   counter is missings lots of features, but I'll fix that pretty
   soon.
 
   thanks to everybody ,
 
 
 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Frédéric Perrin]

Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes:
 On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 06:36:34AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Look for short tags. Turn that on.
 
 ?php is long form... most scripts are using short tags.

 I didn't know that I had the option of using short flags or not. Where
 do I set that? (I'm sure there are more places where i have ? anf
 ? rather than ?php and ?; be nice to _not_ have this cause me
 grief again)

In /usr/local/etc/php.ini, look for short_open_tag under the « Language
Options » heading.

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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Gary Kline]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:53:11PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote:
 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes:
  On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 06:36:34AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
  Look for short tags. Turn that on.
  
  ?php is long form... most scripts are using short tags.
 
  I didn't know that I had the option of using short flags or not. Where
  do I set that? (I'm sure there are more places where i have ? anf
  ? rather than ?php and ?; be nice to _not_ have this cause me
  grief again)
 
 In /usr/local/etc/php.ini, look for short_open_tag under the « Language
 Options » heading.
 
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Found it; thanks.   It's been god-knows how many yrs ago that i
used the short tags option  it may have been the Last time
my counter broke.  Lost in the myst of times.  Anyway, i've
decided to leave the short form off as is advised in the ini
file.  

I'M trying to decide whether to tatoo this on my forehead or
just make a note in my ~/.notes file for the next time this
breaks.  if/when.  Meanwhile, the best thingt to do would simply
write a script to turn ? into ?php    Never know when I'll
get into things like ?xml or whatever.

-g


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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Brad Mettee]

Gary Kline wrote:

I'M trying to decide whether to tatoo this on my forehead or
just make a note in my ~/.notes file for the next time this
breaks.  if/when.  Meanwhile, the best thingt to do would simply
write a script to turn ? into ?php    Never know when I'll
get into things like ?xml or whatever.
  
If you do the ? into ?php, don't forget to do ?phpphp into ?php too. 
Otherwise you'll likely corrupt already good tags.



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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:12:08 -0400, Brad Mettee bmet...@pchotshots.com wrote:
 Gary Kline wrote:
  I'M trying to decide whether to tatoo this on my forehead or
  just make a note in my ~/.notes file for the next time this
  breaks.  if/when.  Meanwhile, the best thingt to do would simply
  write a script to turn ? into ?php    Never know when I'll
  get into things like ?xml or whatever.

 If you do the ? into ?php, don't forget to do ?phpphp into ?php too. 
 Otherwise you'll likely corrupt already good tags.

With 's/\?$/\?php/g' and sufficient quoting,
maybe removing extra spaces, it should be fine. :-)



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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Gary Kline]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:30:09AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:12:08 -0400, Brad Mettee bmet...@pchotshots.com 
 wrote:
  Gary Kline wrote:
 I'M trying to decide whether to tatoo this on my forehead or
 just make a note in my ~/.notes file for the next time this
 breaks.  if/when.  Meanwhile, the best thingt to do would simply
 write a script to turn ? into ?php    Never know when I'll
 get into things like ?xml or whatever.
 
  If you do the ? into ?php, don't forget to do ?phpphp into ?php too. 
  Otherwise you'll likely corrupt already good tags.
 

well, i have a C skeleton that i could modify, but yours below
looks vastly simpler.  how would i use sed to run this against?


 With 's/\?$/\?php/g' and sufficient quoting,
 maybe removing extra spaces, it should be fine. :-)
 

ha! doubt if i hv any spaces after ?php.  too lazy;)

-g

 
 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Gary Kline]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:47:16AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Do you have an error for it?
 
 If not... add after the first ?
 error_reporting(9);
 
 And see what it reports.


There were no errors that should up when i launched this script
on www.thought.org; it simply failed; no output.  ...Another php
script that output a random string on the same page did have
errors.  I thought i would try this simpler script first.  will
add the err line and retry, tx,

gary


 
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 PHP dev.
 
 
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
 
  
  Guys,
  
  Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
  counter bomb?
  
  appended.
  
  tia.
  
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  !--
  //
  //  $Id: count.php,v 1.2 2004/01/22 21:58:48 kline Exp kline $
  //
  --!
  
  ?php
  
  $directory=./countdir/;
  
  if (! (file_exists( ($directory.$file)) ))
  {
  if (! ($fp = fopen( ($directory.$file), w)) )
  {
  echo Can't create file '$directory.$file';
  exit(1);
  }
  else
  {
  fseek($fp,0);
  fputs($fp, $count);
  fputs($fp, \n);
  fputs($fp, $file);
  fclose($fp);
  }
  }
  
  if (file_exists( ($directory.$file)))
  {
 $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
 flock($fp, 1);
 $count = fgets($fp, 4096);
 $count += 1;
 fseek($fp,0);
  fputs($fp, $count);
  fputs($fp, \n);
 fputs($fp, $file);
  
 flock($fp, 3);
 fclose($fp);
  ?
  
  CENTER
  FONT COLOR=#66  !---  rich dark bluegrey ---
  FONT SIZE=2
  
  ?
 print  there have been ;
  ?
  
  FONT SIZE=+1
  FONT COLOR=#FF
  
  ?
  print $count;
  ?
  
  /FONT
  /FONT
  ?
  print hits\n;
  ?
  
  /CENTER
  
  ?
  
  } 
  else
  {
 print Can't find file, check '$directory.$file'\n;
  }
  
  ?
  
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Ryan Coleman]

Check your apache error_log, too.

On Mar 24, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Gary Kline wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:47:16AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Do you have an error for it?
 
 If not... add after the first ?
 error_reporting(9);
 
 And see what it reports.
 
 
   There were no errors that should up when i launched this script
   on www.thought.org; it simply failed; no output.  ...Another php
   script that output a random string on the same page did have
   errors.  I thought i would try this simpler script first.  will
   add the err line and retry, tx,
 
   gary
 
 
 
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 PHP dev.
 
 
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Gary Kline wrote:
 
 
 Guys,
 
 Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
 counter bomb?
 
 appended.
 
 tia.
 
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 !--
 //
 //  $Id: count.php,v 1.2 2004/01/22 21:58:48 kline Exp kline $
 //
 --!
 
 ?php
 
 $directory=./countdir/;
 
 if (! (file_exists( ($directory.$file)) ))
 {
 if (! ($fp = fopen( ($directory.$file), w)) )
 {
 echo Can't create file '$directory.$file';
 exit(1);
 }
 else
 {
 fseek($fp,0);
 fputs($fp, $count);
 fputs($fp, \n);
 fputs($fp, $file);
 fclose($fp);
 }
 }
 
 if (file_exists( ($directory.$file)))
 {
   $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
   flock($fp, 1);
   $count = fgets($fp, 4096);
   $count += 1;
   fseek($fp,0);
 fputs($fp, $count);
 fputs($fp, \n);
   fputs($fp, $file);
 
   flock($fp, 3);
   fclose($fp);
 ?
 
 CENTER
 FONT COLOR=#66  !---  rich dark bluegrey ---
 FONT SIZE=2
 
 ?
   print  there have been ;
 ?
 
 FONT SIZE=+1
 FONT COLOR=#FF
 
 ?
 print $count;
 ?
 
 /FONT
 /FONT
 ?
 print hits\n;
 ?
 
 /CENTER
 
 ?
 
 } 
 else
 {
   print Can't find file, check '$directory.$file'\n;
 }
 
 ?
 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Gary Kline]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:47:16AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Do you have an error for it?
 
 If not... add after the first ?
 error_reporting(9);
 
 And see what it reports.
 
 --
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 PHP dev.
 

save the bandwidth...


Ok, i added the error_reporting line to both scripts.  No change
from the count.php, and the same output as prev from my script that
tries to pick a random entry from some 70 quotes.  here is what the
randomquote.php scipt output onto the home page:




Last updated:
17 February, 2011

echo err-9 line below:\n; $number-1){ // If ran out of quotes,
start again! $num=0; } if (file_exists($directory.$quotecountfile))
{ $nu = fopen ($directory.$quotecountfile, w); fputs($nu,$num); }
else { die(Cant Find $quotecountfile); } } ?


Note that i added the echo line just now.  

Having a quote isn't as meaningful as giving users the latest
pagecount.  That still fails without any errors.  

gary


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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Brad Mettee]

Gary Kline wrote:

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:47:16AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
  

Do you have an error for it?

If not... add after the first ?
error_reporting(9);

And see what it reports.

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PHP dev.




save the bandwidth...


Ok, i added the error_reporting line to both scripts.  No change
from the count.php, and the same output as prev from my script that
tries to pick a random entry from some 70 quotes.  here is what the
randomquote.php scipt output onto the home page:




Last updated:
17 February, 2011

echo err-9 line below:\n; $number-1){ // If ran out of quotes,
start again! $num=0; } if (file_exists($directory.$quotecountfile))
{ $nu = fopen ($directory.$quotecountfile, w); fputs($nu,$num); }
else { die(Cant Find $quotecountfile); } } ?


Note that i added the echo line just now.  


Having a quote isn't as meaningful as giving users the latest
pagecount.  That still fails without any errors.  


gary

It looks like it's not interpreting the php code start somehow.

Can you show the lines immediately above, going up to the Last 
Modified script?


I can also see a ? further down the webpage. It might be a simple 
case of mis-matched start/stop tags.


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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Ryan Coleman]

Here's a quick and dirty option...
FIRST make sure your permissions on the folder you want to write the countfile 
to is either at RWX to all or is owned by the Apache run user (PHP by default 
runs under the Apache Service user).

I ran this in file test.php on my server. Give it a whirl.

?
$dir = /path/to/stored/counts/;
$dir = $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'].test/; //This was to test in test 
directory in VHOST root folder.
$file = $_SERVER['PHP_SELF']..txt; //this keeps it from being loaded in 
browser as a php-executable
#$file = urlencode($_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'])..txt
//  This option if uncommented will make 
/file/path/filename.php?that=thisfive=5 
//  turn into 
%2Ffile%2Fpath%2Ffilename.php%3Fthat%3Dthis%26five%3D5. Not pretty but 
functional.

if(!is_file($dir.$file)) {
$dump = fopen($dir.$file, x+);
fclose($dump);
}
//Read current value
$fp_read = fopen($dir.$file, r);
$count = fread($fp_read, filesize($dir.$file)+1);
fclose($fp_read);

//Convert count to integer
$new_count = ((int)$count);
//Increase count by 1
$new_count++;


//Reopen to write new value
$fp = fopen($dir.$file, w+);
fwrite($fp, $new_count);
fclose($fp);

echo A count was added. It was #.$new_count;
?

On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Gary Kline wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:47:16AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Do you have an error for it?
 
 If not... add after the first ?
 error_reporting(9);
 
 And see what it reports.
 
 --
 Ryan
 PHP dev.
 
 
   save the bandwidth...
 
 
 Ok, i added the error_reporting line to both scripts.  No change
 from the count.php, and the same output as prev from my script that
 tries to pick a random entry from some 70 quotes.  here is what the
 randomquote.php scipt output onto the home page:
 
 
 
 
 Last updated:
 17 February, 2011
 
 echo err-9 line below:\n; $number-1){ // If ran out of quotes,
 start again! $num=0; } if (file_exists($directory.$quotecountfile))
 { $nu = fopen ($directory.$quotecountfile, w); fputs($nu,$num); }
 else { die(Cant Find $quotecountfile); } } ?
 
 
 Note that i added the echo line just now.  
 
 Having a quote isn't as meaningful as giving users the latest
 pagecount.  That still fails without any errors.  
 
 gary
 
 

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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Gary Kline]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 07:11:15PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote:
 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes:
  Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
  counter bomb?
 
 As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means?
 
  $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
  flock($fp, 1);
 
 You want an exclusive lock (LOCK_EX, which is 2 is you use some ancient
 PHP), not a shared lock.
 
 When updating the file:
fputs($fp, $count);
fputs($fp, \n);
  fputs($fp, $file);
 
 Why do you feel the need to store the filename inside the file itself?
 You don't seem to need it after.


$file is passed from the calling php file.  index.php is by-hand
set to

$file='index'; 

and so on.  

Because of my shoulder/typing woes, it was great that I got clued in
above by Brad's thought that perhaos there were mis-matched ? 
and ? tags.  A simply recursive grepping found out that it some 
places I had ? cr instead of ?php cr.   Adding the php 
fixed everything.  

Finally, you're right; this really, really is ancient php.
Somthing i found pre-2004 and hacked until it worked.  The
counter is missings lots of features, but I'll fix that pretty
soon.

thanks to everybody ,


 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Ryan Coleman]

 Gary, you missed the put... fput($fp, $file); means you're dropping the 
filename INTO the storage file.


On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Gary Kline wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 07:11:15PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote:
 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes:
 Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
 counter bomb?
 
 As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means?
 
 $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
 flock($fp, 1);
 
 You want an exclusive lock (LOCK_EX, which is 2 is you use some ancient
 PHP), not a shared lock.
 
 When updating the file:
   fputs($fp, $count);
   fputs($fp, \n);
 fputs($fp, $file);
 
 Why do you feel the need to store the filename inside the file itself?
 You don't seem to need it after.
 
 
   $file is passed from the calling php file.  index.php is by-hand
   set to
 
   $file='index'; 
 
   and so on.  
 
   Because of my shoulder/typing woes, it was great that I got clued in
   above by Brad's thought that perhaos there were mis-matched ? 
   and ? tags.  A simply recursive grepping found out that it some 
   places I had ? cr instead of ?php cr.   Adding the php 
   fixed everything.  
 
   Finally, you're right; this really, really is ancient php.
   Somthing i found pre-2004 and hacked until it worked.  The
   counter is missings lots of features, but I'll fix that pretty
   soon.
 
   thanks to everybody ,
 
 
 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Gary Kline]

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 06:25:39PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
  Gary, you missed the put... fput($fp, $file); means you're dropping the 
 filename INTO the storage file.


okay.  [maybe].  i think what the script does is create
./countdir/$file ; in this case, ./countdir/index where i create
the file named index\n and below it the integer count.  e.g.:

in directory countdir, in file index is:

index
60311

to track the hits for my homepage.   in defense of this crude
hack with no error-checking is that i have used the same script
in at least three other virtual thought.org websites.   

i was wrong is saying that the script bombed; it just failed;
the reason was that the initial tag had been ? rather than
?php

gary


 
 
 On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
 
  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 07:11:15PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote:
  Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes:
Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
counter bomb?
  
  As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means?
  
  $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
  flock($fp, 1);
  
  You want an exclusive lock (LOCK_EX, which is 2 is you use some ancient
  PHP), not a shared lock.
  
  When updating the file:
  fputs($fp, $count);
  fputs($fp, \n);
  fputs($fp, $file);
  
  Why do you feel the need to store the filename inside the file itself?
  You don't seem to need it after.
  
  
  $file is passed from the calling php file.  index.php is by-hand
  set to
  
  $file='index'; 
  
  and so on.  
  
  Because of my shoulder/typing woes, it was great that I got clued in
  above by Brad's thought that perhaos there were mis-matched ? 
  and ? tags.  A simply recursive grepping found out that it some 
  places I had ? cr instead of ?php cr.   Adding the php 
  fixed everything.  
  
  Finally, you're right; this really, really is ancient php.
  Somthing i found pre-2004 and hacked until it worked.  The
  counter is missings lots of features, but I'll fix that pretty
  soon.
  
  thanks to everybody ,
  
  
  
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why does this simple counter fail?

[Gary Kline]

Guys,

Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
counter bomb?

appended.

tia.

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!--
//
//  $Id: count.php,v 1.2 2004/01/22 21:58:48 kline Exp kline $
//
--!

?php

$directory=./countdir/;

if (! (file_exists( ($directory.$file)) ))
{
if (! ($fp = fopen( ($directory.$file), w)) )
{
echo Can't create file '$directory.$file';
exit(1);
}
else
{
fseek($fp,0);
fputs($fp, $count);
fputs($fp, \n);
fputs($fp, $file);
fclose($fp);
}
}

if (file_exists( ($directory.$file)))
{
$fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
flock($fp, 1);
$count = fgets($fp, 4096);
$count += 1;
fseek($fp,0);
fputs($fp, $count);
fputs($fp, \n);
fputs($fp, $file);

flock($fp, 3);
fclose($fp);
?

CENTER
FONT COLOR=#66  !---  rich dark bluegrey ---
FONT SIZE=2

?
print  there have been ;
?

FONT SIZE=+1
FONT COLOR=#FF

?
print $count;
?

/FONT
/FONT
?
print hits\n;
?

/CENTER

?

} 
else
{
print Can't find file, check '$directory.$file'\n;
}

?

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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Ryan Coleman]

Do you have an error for it?

If not... add after the first ?
error_reporting(9);

And see what it reports.

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On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Gary Kline wrote:

 
   Guys,
 
   Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
   counter bomb?
 
   appended.
 
   tia.
 
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 !--
 //
 //$Id: count.php,v 1.2 2004/01/22 21:58:48 kline Exp kline $
 //
 --!
 
 ?php
 
 $directory=./countdir/;
 
 if (! (file_exists( ($directory.$file)) ))
 {
   if (! ($fp = fopen( ($directory.$file), w)) )
   {
   echo Can't create file '$directory.$file';
   exit(1);
   }
   else
   {
   fseek($fp,0);
   fputs($fp, $count);
   fputs($fp, \n);
   fputs($fp, $file);
   fclose($fp);
   }
 }
 
 if (file_exists( ($directory.$file)))
 {
$fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
flock($fp, 1);
$count = fgets($fp, 4096);
$count += 1;
fseek($fp,0);
   fputs($fp, $count);
   fputs($fp, \n);
fputs($fp, $file);
 
flock($fp, 3);
fclose($fp);
 ?
 
   CENTER
   FONT COLOR=#66  !---  rich dark bluegrey ---
   FONT SIZE=2
 
 ?
print  there have been ;
 ?
 
   FONT SIZE=+1
   FONT COLOR=#FF
 
 ?
 print $count;
 ?
 
   /FONT
   /FONT
 ?
 print hits\n;
 ?
 
   /CENTER
 
 ?
 
 } 
 else
 {
print Can't find file, check '$directory.$file'\n;
 }
 
 ?
 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Ryan Coleman]

On a side note, I'd nix $count += 1;
for 
$count++;


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On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Gary Kline wrote:

 
   Guys,
 
   Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
   counter bomb?
 
   appended.
 
   tia.
 
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 !--
 //
 //$Id: count.php,v 1.2 2004/01/22 21:58:48 kline Exp kline $
 //
 --!
 
 ?php
 
 $directory=./countdir/;
 
 if (! (file_exists( ($directory.$file)) ))
 {
   if (! ($fp = fopen( ($directory.$file), w)) )
   {
   echo Can't create file '$directory.$file';
   exit(1);
   }
   else
   {
   fseek($fp,0);
   fputs($fp, $count);
   fputs($fp, \n);
   fputs($fp, $file);
   fclose($fp);
   }
 }
 
 if (file_exists( ($directory.$file)))
 {
$fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
flock($fp, 1);
$count = fgets($fp, 4096);
$count += 1;
fseek($fp,0);
   fputs($fp, $count);
   fputs($fp, \n);
fputs($fp, $file);
 
flock($fp, 3);
fclose($fp);
 ?
 
   CENTER
   FONT COLOR=#66  !---  rich dark bluegrey ---
   FONT SIZE=2
 
 ?
print  there have been ;
 ?
 
   FONT SIZE=+1
   FONT COLOR=#FF
 
 ?
 print $count;
 ?
 
   /FONT
   /FONT
 ?
 print hits\n;
 ?
 
   /CENTER
 
 ?
 
 } 
 else
 {
print Can't find file, check '$directory.$file'\n;
 }
 
 ?
 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Paul Macdonald]

On 23/03/2011 16:45, Gary Kline wrote:

Guys,

Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
counter bomb?

appended.

tia.

$file doesn't look to be set anywhere

if its a web script ( as opposed to cmd line cli) tyhen its probably 
passed as a POST or GET variable.,


register_globals needs to be on for this variable to be auto set,

if the form is submitted via POST,  change script to:

$directory=./countdir/;
$file=$_POST['file'];


if the form is submitted via GET (you'd see the file=variable in the address 
bar),  change script to:

$directory=./countdir/;
$file=$_GET['file'];


Of course you want to sanitise this $file variable so that it can't be hacked.



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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Ryan Coleman]

On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Paul Macdonald wrote:

 On 23/03/2011 16:45, Gary Kline wrote:
  Guys,
 
  Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
  counter bomb?
 
  appended.
 
  tia.
 $file doesn't look to be set anywhere
 
 if its a web script ( as opposed to cmd line cli) tyhen its probably passed 
 as a POST or GET variable.,
 
 register_globals needs to be on for this variable to be auto set,
 
 if the form is submitted via POST,  change script to:
 
 $directory=./countdir/;
 $file=$_POST['file'];
 
 
 if the form is submitted via GET (you'd see the file=variable in the address 
 bar),  change script to:
 
 $directory=./countdir/;
 $file=$_GET['file'];
 
 
 Of course you want to sanitise this $file variable so that it can't be hacked.

Additionally you could do:

$file = $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'];

Which will tie the filename to the actual PHP file.

But you might want to do something like...

$file = urlencode($_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'])..txt;

to make it the full url, safe vars for file names and add .txt to make it 
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Re: why does this simple counter fail?

[Frédéric Perrin]

Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes:
   Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked
   counter bomb?

As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means?

 $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+);
 flock($fp, 1);

You want an exclusive lock (LOCK_EX, which is 2 is you use some ancient
PHP), not a shared lock.

When updating the file:
 fputs($fp, $count);
 fputs($fp, \n);
 fputs($fp, $file);

Why do you feel the need to store the filename inside the file itself?
You don't seem to need it after.

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Re: Why FreeBSD fetch does not download a file via a proxy for HTTPS URLS (the same works fine for HTTP urls)

[chandra reddy]

Hi RW,

Thanks alot for your reply.

Do you mean to say curl also not using  a CONNECT to tunnel through to the
actual server?

How can I achieve downloading files HTTPS over a proxy?

Thanks
 %20http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.devel.hackers/42588
-Chandra

 Hi All,

 I am working on a project where i need to download a file via a proxy
 server using HTTPS protocol. I found that fetch does not work/support
 HTTPS requests over a proxy.

I just checked and neither do wget nor curl.

 I could overcome the above problem if I do the following change.

1375:
 1.58
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.58
 des  1376:if (purl) { 1.51
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.51
 des  1377:URL = purl;


I don't think that would work, presumably it would just cause an
attempt at an ssl connection to the proxy, followed by a GET request
for an https URL. https through a proxy is supposed to use a CONNECT to
tunnel through to the actual server.



On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:49 PM, chandra reddy cred...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I am working on a project where i need to download a file via a proxy
 server using HTTPS protocol. I found that fetch does not work/support HTTPS
 requests over a proxy.

 My setup would be like this:



 Intranet
 Internet
 ---
 |  https or  http  |
  https
 | Client m/cs - Porxy Server
 --- Destination Server (or Download server)
 |  |
 ---


 I can use https or http  protocol between Client and Proxy but only HTTPS
 is used between proxy and Destination server(or Download server) .

 I tried to use squid proxy as my proxy server and tried to download a
 file from my download server to Client m/c using FreeBSD fetch command.
 It fails to download a file via proxy for HTTPS requests Please note that
 Proxy setup is 100% correct and a web server (Apache) running fine.
 [I have tested it using my Mozilla browser on my PC].

 I have done the following:

 1. *Download a file using HTTPS over a proxy server*

 #env HTTP_PROXY=http://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
 /tmp/download.out 'https://destination-server-ip/index.htm'

 looking up destination-server-ip

 connecting todestination-server-ip:443

 connection established

 fetch: https://destination-server-ip/index.htm Authentication error
 Even I have tried this also and found the same error.

 #env HTTP_PROXY=https://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
 /tmp/download.out 'https://destination-serve-ip/index.htm'


 My question is why it is not connected via Proxy sever. It tries to
 connect directly. I could see that if I use HTTP protocol then it connects
 via proxy.
 Please see the logs here.

 2. *Download a file using HTTP over a proxy server*

 #env HTTP_PROXY=http://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
 /tmp/download.out 'http://destination-server-ip/index.htm'

 looking up proxy-server-ip

 connecting to proxy-server-ip:3128

 connection established

 requesting http://destination-server-ip/index.htm
 Even I have tried this also and found that works fine.

 #env HTTP_PROXY=https://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
 /tmp/download.out 'http://destination-serve-ip/index.htm'

 I have debugged fetch and found that the following check is stopping
 HTTPS requests over a proxy.

 *http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c

  .OR.

 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c?annotate=1.78.2.5.4.1

 *

1375:
 1.58 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.58  
 des  1376:if (purl  strcasecmp(URL-scheme, SCHEME_HTTPS) 
 != 0) {
 1.51 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.51  
 des  1377:URL = purl;



 I could overcome the above problem if I do the following change.

1375:
 1.58 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.58  
 des  1376:if (purl) {
 1.51 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.51  
 des  1377:URL = purl;


 I want to know why HTTPS over proxy is not working with libfetch. I want
 to make it work how can do it?

 Thanks
 -Chandra




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Why FreeBSD fetch does not download a file via a proxy for HTTPS URLS (the same works fine for HTTP urls)

[chandra reddy]

Hi All,

I am working on a project where i need to download a file via a proxy server
using HTTPS protocol. I found that fetch does not work/support HTTPS
requests over a proxy.

My setup would be like this:


Intranet
Internet
---
|  https or  http  |
 https
| Client m/cs - Porxy Server
--- Destination Server (or Download server)
|  |
---


I can use https or http  protocol between Client and Proxy but only HTTPS is
used between proxy and Destination server(or Download server) .

I tried to use squid proxy as my proxy server and tried to download a file
from my download server to Client m/c using FreeBSD fetch command.
It fails to download a file via proxy for HTTPS requests Please note that
Proxy setup is 100% correct and a web server (Apache) running fine.
[I have tested it using my Mozilla browser on my PC].

I have done the following:

1. *Download a file using HTTPS over a proxy server*

#env HTTP_PROXY=http://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
/tmp/download.out 'https://destination-server-ip/index.htm'

looking up destination-server-ip

connecting todestination-server-ip:443

connection established

fetch: https://destination-server-ip/index.htm Authentication error
Even I have tried this also and found the same error.

#env HTTP_PROXY=https://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
/tmp/download.out 'https://destination-serve-ip/index.htm'


My question is why it is not connected via Proxy sever. It tries to
connect directly. I could see that if I use HTTP protocol then it connects
via proxy.
Please see the logs here.

2. *Download a file using HTTP over a proxy server*

#env HTTP_PROXY=http://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
/tmp/download.out 'http://destination-server-ip/index.htm'

looking up proxy-server-ip

connecting to proxy-server-ip:3128

connection established

requesting http://destination-server-ip/index.htm
Even I have tried this also and found that works fine.

#env HTTP_PROXY=https://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o
/tmp/download.out 'http://destination-serve-ip/index.htm'

I have debugged fetch and found that the following check is stopping HTTPS
requests over a proxy.

*http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c

 .OR.
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c?annotate=1.78.2.5.4.1

*

   1375:
1.58 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.58
 des  1376:if (purl  strcasecmp(URL-scheme,
SCHEME_HTTPS) != 0) {
1.51 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.51
 des  1377:URL = purl;



I could overcome the above problem if I do the following change.

   1375:
1.58 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.58
 des  1376:if (purl) {
1.51 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libfetch/http.c#rev1.51
 des  1377:URL = purl;


I want to know why HTTPS over proxy is not working with libfetch. I want
to make it work how can do it?

Thanks
-Chandra
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Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

[David Brodbeck]

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote:
 Also, I'm having trouble understanding how people like that get grants
 to do work like that.  On the one hand, they obviously know enough about
 cryptography to make improvements.  On the other hand, they can't seem
 to get a grip on the fact that the code will need to have a license
 before anyone can grab it and incorporate it.  I can't find anywhere on
 that page where it tells me what terms I am allowed to use those patches
 under.

This seems to be a big problem with academia in general.  I almost
never see a piece of code associated with a research paper that has a
coherent license attached to it.  Often there's no license at all.  I
don't know if this is ignorance or if there are bureaucratic hurdles
at work here.  It's possible it's the latter, since universities often
want to profit off of licensing the research that's done on their
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Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

[Jerry]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:12:45 -0800
David Brodbeck g...@gull.us articulated:

 On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com
 wrote:
  Also, I'm having trouble understanding how people like that get
  grants to do work like that.  On the one hand, they obviously know
  enough about cryptography to make improvements.  On the other hand,
  they can't seem to get a grip on the fact that the code will need
  to have a license before anyone can grab it and incorporate it.  I
  can't find anywhere on that page where it tells me what terms I am
  allowed to use those patches under.
 
 This seems to be a big problem with academia in general.  I almost
 never see a piece of code associated with a research paper that has a
 coherent license attached to it.  Often there's no license at all.  I
 don't know if this is ignorance or if there are bureaucratic hurdles
 at work here.  It's possible it's the latter, since universities often
 want to profit off of licensing the research that's done on their
 sites.

A university or any business for that matter certainly has the right to
profit from any research or other work done on a given project if such
research or work were done using the university's or business's
resources.

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OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

[kellyremo]

https://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/hpn-v-ssh-tput.jpg

SCP and the underlying SSH2 protocol implementation in OpenSSH is network 
performance limited by statically defined internal flow control buffers. These 
buffers often end up acting as a bottleneck for network throughput of SCP, 
especially on long and high bandwith network links. Modifying the ssh code to 
allow the buffers to be defined at run time eliminates this bottleneck. We have 
created a patch that will remove the bottlenecks in OpenSSH and is fully 
interoperable with other servers and clients. In addition HPN clients will be 
able to download faster from non HPN servers, and HPN servers will be able to 
receive uploads faster from non HPN clients. However, the host receiving the 
data must have a properly tuned TCP/IP stack.

My question is: So Why Does the original OpenSSH has limited statically 
defined internal flow control buffers?? It could be way faster, even 10x!!

With the HPN-SCP path it could be the descendant of FTP! Why aren't there any 
OpenSCP packages? ('normal SCP+HPN-SCP path+no local user needed for 
SCP'ing+chroot by default')

Any opinions?

Thank you!

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Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

[Bill Moran]

In response to kellyremo kellyr...@zoho.com:

 https://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/hpn-v-ssh-tput.jpg
 
 SCP and the underlying SSH2 protocol implementation in OpenSSH is network 
 performance limited by statically defined internal flow control buffers. 
 These buffers often end up acting as a bottleneck for network throughput of 
 SCP, especially on long and high bandwith network links. Modifying the ssh 
 code to allow the buffers to be defined at run time eliminates this 
 bottleneck. We have created a patch that will remove the bottlenecks in 
 OpenSSH and is fully interoperable with other servers and clients. In 
 addition HPN clients will be able to download faster from non HPN servers, 
 and HPN servers will be able to receive uploads faster from non HPN clients. 
 However, the host receiving the data must have a properly tuned TCP/IP stack.
 
 My question is: So Why Does the original OpenSSH has limited statically 
 defined internal flow control buffers?? It could be way faster, even 10x!!

Because it's unstable?:

If you are experiencing disconnects due to a failure in
buffer_append_space please let us know. We're currently tracking some
problems with this and we're trying to gather more information to help
resolve it.

Also, I'm having trouble understanding how people like that get grants
to do work like that.  On the one hand, they obviously know enough about
cryptography to make improvements.  On the other hand, they can't seem
to get a grip on the fact that the code will need to have a license
before anyone can grab it and incorporate it.  I can't find anywhere on
that page where it tells me what terms I am allowed to use those patches
under.

Also, it would be nice if those folks kept track of dates.  Like, how long
have those patches be available?  There's not a single date on any of
those pages or the files involved.  The reason I point this out is because
OpenSSL is _extremely_ sensitive software.  I don't want to see any
large changes to it released until they've been in testing for months,
if not years.  For all we know, these speed improvements are riddled with
dozens of security flaws.

Also, any reason why you're asking these questions of FreeBSD and not of
the OpenSSL project?

-- 
Bill Moran
http://www.potentialtech.com
http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/
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Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 08:42:27AM -0500, Bill Moran wrote:
 
 Also, I'm having trouble understanding how people like that get grants
 to do work like that.  On the one hand, they obviously know enough about
 cryptography to make improvements.  On the other hand, they can't seem
 to get a grip on the fact that the code will need to have a license
 before anyone can grab it and incorporate it.  I can't find anywhere on
 that page where it tells me what terms I am allowed to use those patches
 under.

A lack of concern for specific licensing seems to be a big problem in the
open source world -- particularly the copyleft world.  Many people seem
to think that if they say open source it means GPL, and they don't
have to tell anyone they're releasing it under the terms of the GPL.  The
license ends up buried under some second-order subdirectory in a tarball
that isn't the supposedly preferred means of getting the software in
question.  Occasionally, the same kind of lack of concern is employed
with distributing something under some other open source license, and
occasionally an announcement that something is open source comes with the
author's assumption that no license is needed at all.

It drives me up the wall.


 
 Also, it would be nice if those folks kept track of dates.  Like, how long
 have those patches be available?  There's not a single date on any of
 those pages or the files involved.  The reason I point this out is because
 OpenSSL is _extremely_ sensitive software.  I don't want to see any
 large changes to it released until they've been in testing for months,
 if not years.  For all we know, these speed improvements are riddled with
 dozens of security flaws.

I agree that dates are important, too.  These days, there is little or no
execuse for offering open source software to the world without storing it
in a publicly accessible version control system's repository, which will
automatically track commit dates for everything anyway.


 
 Also, any reason why you're asking these questions of FreeBSD and not of
 the OpenSSL project?

I think we're discussing OpenSSH rather than OpenSSL.  Am I mistaken?

They are not the same project.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]


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Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

[Chuck Bacon]

SERIOUS APOLOGIES!  I've found out my dvd is marginal, or
possibly the drive.  What seemed like a bad dvd apparently
resulted in a scan (by the BIOS?) until it found a boot loader
it understood, PC-DOS it said, which was one of several I
discovered in grepping the ISO file.  I should have
done freebsd-update !
   Chuck Bacon - c...@cape.com

 I downloaded it yesterday.  Here's the facts:

 1. md5 matches CHECKSUM.MD5

 2. When I boot off the BIOS, it takes a half minute or so, and
 then: voila!  PC-DOS boots, and for all the world look as
 though it will boot a larger system; except it doesn't have
 a clue.

 Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't
 satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds
 one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant.
 Any ideas why?

 If nothing else, I'll download disc1.  Praps that'll work!

 Many thanks,
   Chuck Bacon -- c...@cape.com
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Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

[Frank Shute]

On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 03:48:45PM -0500, Chuck Bacon wrote:

 SERIOUS APOLOGIES!  I've found out my dvd is marginal, or
 possibly the drive.  What seemed like a bad dvd apparently
 resulted in a scan (by the BIOS?) until it found a boot loader
 it understood, PC-DOS it said, which was one of several I
 discovered in grepping the ISO file.  I should have
 done freebsd-update !
Chuck Bacon - c...@cape.com

Chuck, where on the DVD is the copy of PC-DOS?

 
  I downloaded it yesterday.  Here's the facts:
 
  1. md5 matches CHECKSUM.MD5
 
  2. When I boot off the BIOS, it takes a half minute or so, and
  then: voila!  PC-DOS boots, and for all the world look as
  though it will boot a larger system; except it doesn't have
  a clue.
 
  Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't
  satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds
  one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant.
  Any ideas why?
 
  If nothing else, I'll download disc1.  Praps that'll work!
 
  Many thanks,
  Chuck Bacon -- c...@cape.com
  ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY

Regards,

-- 

 Frank

 Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html




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Why does printf(9) hang network?

[dieterbsd]

Why would doing a printf(9) in a device driver (usb, firewire, probably
others) cause an obscenely long lockout on
/usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_sockbuf.c:148 (sx:so_rcv_sx)  ?

Printf(9) alone isn't the problem, adding printfs to chown(2) does not
cause the problem, but printfs from device drivers do.

Grep says that uipc_sockbuf.c is the only file that locks/unlocks sb_sx.
The device drivers and printf don't even know that sb_sx exists.

135  int
136  sblock(struct sockbuf *sb, int flags)
137  {
138
139  KASSERT((flags  SBL_VALID) == flags,
140  (sblock: flags invalid (0x%x), flags));
141
142  if (flags  SBL_WAIT) {
143  if ((sb-sb_flags  SB_NOINTR) ||
144  (flags  SBL_NOINTR)) {
145  sx_xlock(sb-sb_sx);
146  return (0);
147  }
148  return (sx_xlock_sig(sb-sb_sx));
149  } else {
150  if (sx_try_xlock(sb-sb_sx) == 0)
151  return (EWOULDBLOCK);
152  return (0);
153  }
154  }

More info at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=118093


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Re: Why does printf(9) hang network?

[Ivan Voras]

On 05/02/2011 21:22, dieter...@engineer.com wrote:

Why would doing a printf(9) in a device driver (usb, firewire, probably
others) cause an obscenely long lockout on
/usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_sockbuf.c:148 (sx:so_rcv_sx)  ?


You should ask this question on freebsd-hackers@.



Printf(9) alone isn't the problem, adding printfs to chown(2) does not
cause the problem, but printfs from device drivers do.

Grep says that uipc_sockbuf.c is the only file that locks/unlocks sb_sx.
The device drivers and printf don't even know that sb_sx exists.

135  int
136  sblock(struct sockbuf *sb, int flags)
137  {
138
139  KASSERT((flags  SBL_VALID) == flags,
140  (sblock: flags invalid (0x%x), flags));
141
142  if (flags  SBL_WAIT) {
143  if ((sb-sb_flags  SB_NOINTR) ||
144  (flags  SBL_NOINTR)) {
145  sx_xlock(sb-sb_sx);
146  return (0);
147  }
148  return (sx_xlock_sig(sb-sb_sx));
149  } else {
150  if (sx_try_xlock(sb-sb_sx) == 0)
151  return (EWOULDBLOCK);
152  return (0);
153  }
154  }

More info at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=118093


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Re: Why can't I install icu?

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:15:09 -0800,
Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.net a écrit :

 Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to
 install. I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now
 deprecated, and one should install /devel/icu.  But when I try to do
 that the file that is downloaded is icu4c, and the install goes along
 until it chokes with this error message:
 
 SUMMARY:
 *** [Total error count: 1]
   Errors in
 [/tsformat/ccaltst/TestCalendar]
 Elapsed Time: 00:00:48.205
 *** Error code 1
 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/icu.
 
 Very frustrating.  I need to get Gimp onto my computer, and I can 
 install it as a package, but if I try to upgrade the program the
 upgrade always chokes on icu at the same place, and with the same
 error message.

Are you using a locale? I've been hit in the past with bugs in the
ICU tests suite when using fr_FR.

It is just an idea... Regards.


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Re: Why can't I install icu?

[Rem P Roberti]

Le Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:15:09 -0800,
Rem P Robertiremeg...@comcast.net  a écrit :


Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to
install. I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now
deprecated, and one should install /devel/icu.  But when I try to do
that the file that is downloaded is icu4c, and the install goes along
until it chokes with this error message:

SUMMARY:
*** [Total error count: 1]
   Errors in
[/tsformat/ccaltst/TestCalendar]
Elapsed Time: 00:00:48.205
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/icu.

Very frustrating.  I need to get Gimp onto my computer, and I can
install it as a package, but if I try to upgrade the program the
upgrade always chokes on icu at the same place, and with the same
error message.

Are you using a locale? I've been hit in the past with bugs in the
ICU tests suite when using fr_FR.

It is just an idea... Regards.





Interesting.  When I installed 8.1 I naturally set my local area (west 
coast US) for the time zone.  Is that what you refer to?  I also 
scrolled further up the test list and found this, which is apparently 
where the test is failing:


 tsformat  {
   ccaltst  {
TestCalendar   {
!!FAIL: ucal_getDefaultTimeZone() = U_BUFFER_OVERFLOW_ERROR
} ---[1 ERRORS in /tsformat/ccaltst/TestCalendar]  (13ms)

Cheers...

Rem

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Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

[Chuck Bacon]

I downloaded it yesterday.  Here's the facts:

1. md5 matches CHECKSUM.MD5

2. When I boot off the BIOS, it takes a half minute or so, and
   then: voila!  PC-DOS boots, and for all the world look as
   though it will boot a larger system; except it doesn't have
   a clue.

Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't
satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds
one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant.
Any ideas why?

If nothing else, I'll download disc1.  Praps that'll work!

Many thanks,
Chuck Bacon -- c...@cape.com
ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY
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Re: Why can't I install icu?

[Rem P Roberti]

*NO* he's refering to the _locale_, not the timezone.  They're totally
separate and unrelated concepts.  Locale is a means for specifying a
bunch of national/regional things.  like what the currency symbol (dollar-,
pound-, euro-, yen-, whatever-sign) is, whether one uses ',' or '.' for
marking off thousands multiples in large numbers, whether one uses ',' or
'.' for the 'decimal point', etc., etc.   The way the U.S. does things is
the default, so you'd probably never need to set the locale.  do an
'apropos locale', and read the manpages for the 'non-X' and 'non-perl'
items and you'll have the basis for an understanding of locale referenes.




Got it.  Another new learn.  Still no luck installing /devel/icu.

Rem
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Re: Why can't I install icu?

[b. f.]

 Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to install.
 I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now deprecated, and one
 should install /devel/icu.  But when I try to do that the file that is
 downloaded is icu4c, and the install goes along until it chokes with
 this error message:

 SUMMARY:
 *** [Total error count: 1]
   Errors in
 [/tsformat/ccaltst/TestCalendar]
 Elapsed Time: 00:00:48.205
 *** Error code 1
 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/icu.

 Very frustrating.  I need to get Gimp onto my computer, and I can
 install it as a package, but if I try to upgrade the program the upgrade
 always chokes on icu at the same place, and with the same error message.

 Anyone?

Try again, with a clean build, after having made sure that you've
removed all remnants of the earlier icu versions; and make a
transcript of the build:

pkg_delete -fv icu2-* icu-*
script /tmp/icu.log
make -C /usr/ports/devel/icu deinstall clean install
exit

If the problem still occurs, then you should file a problem report:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.html

Make sure you attach the config.log from the failed build (look for it
in the work directory of the port before cleaning up), as well as the
transcript (/tmp/icu.log) of the failed build.

If there aren't any pre-built binary packages of the latest versions
of icu and gimp available, and you don't want to wait for them to be
produced, or for the problem to be fixed; and (as apparently is the
case) the build is working, but only the post-build tests are failing;
then first disable the tests and then try to build and install icu.
You can do that by editing the port Makefile and commenting-out the
following line:

post-build test regression-test: iotest cintltst intltest

(Of course, this change will probably be wiped out each time you
update your ports tree.)

b.
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Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

[Frank Shute]

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 04:53:15PM -0500, Chuck Bacon wrote:

 I downloaded it yesterday.  Here's the facts:
 
 1. md5 matches CHECKSUM.MD5
 
 2. When I boot off the BIOS, it takes a half minute or so, and
then: voila!  PC-DOS boots, and for all the world look as
though it will boot a larger system; except it doesn't have
a clue.
 
 Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't
 satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds
 one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant.
 Any ideas why?
 
 If nothing else, I'll download disc1.  Praps that'll work!
 
 Many thanks,

Your BIOS isn't clever enough to look through the DVD and find an OS
(an OS that's not shipped with FreeBSD AFAIK). The PC-DOS bootloader
must reside in the boot blocks of your HDD or DVD.

Sometimes manufacturers ship PC-DOS on the HDD if the machine comes
with no OS; maybe that's what you are seeing.


Regards,

-- 

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Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:05:14 +, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote:
 Sometimes manufacturers ship PC-DOS on the HDD if the machine comes
 with no OS; maybe that's what you are seeing.

Or it could be part of a service partition, a modern
means to get rid of installation media to be shipped
with PCs that come with an OEM provided OS.



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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: Why can't I install icu?

[Rem P Roberti]

Try again, with a clean build, after having made sure that you've
removed all remnants of the earlier icu versions; and make a
transcript of the build:

pkg_delete -fv icu2-* icu-*
script /tmp/icu.log
make -C /usr/ports/devel/icu deinstall clean install
exit

If the problem still occurs, then you should file a problem report:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.html

Make sure you attach the config.log from the failed build (look for it
in the work directory of the port before cleaning up), as well as the
transcript (/tmp/icu.log) of the failed build.

If there aren't any pre-built binary packages of the latest versions
of icu and gimp available, and you don't want to wait for them to be
produced, or for the problem to be fixed; and (as apparently is the
case) the build is working, but only the post-build tests are failing;
then first disable the tests and then try to build and install icu.
You can do that by editing the port Makefile and commenting-out the
following line:

post-build test regression-test: iotest cintltst intltest

(Of course, this change will probably be wiped out each time you
update your ports tree.)

b.



Thank you for your excellent, detailed instructions.  I have followed 
them to the letter.  The build did not make after doing a pkg_delete and 
deinstall, so I sent a pr-send with a copy of the icu.log and 
config.log.  BTW, the build failed at the same place it always 
has---during the test.  I went ahead and commented out the suggested 
line in the Makefile and the install took place as expected.  I realize 
that during subsequent upgrades I will have to do the same drill.


Thanks again for your help.

Cheers...

Rem
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Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

[Mehmet Erol Sanliturk]

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Chuck Bacon c...@cape.com wrote:

 I downloaded it yesterday.  Here's the facts:

 1. md5 matches CHECKSUM.MD5

 2. When I boot off the BIOS, it takes a half minute or so, and
   then: voila!  PC-DOS boots, and for all the world look as
   though it will boot a larger system; except it doesn't have
   a clue.

 Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't
 satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds
 one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant.
 Any ideas why?

 If nothing else, I'll download disc1.  Praps that'll work!

 Many thanks,
Chuck Bacon -- c...@cape.com
ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY




In FreeBSD DVD , there is NO any PC-DOS .

Please , check your BIOS boot device sequence list .
In that list CD/DVD drive should come before HDD , if it exists in that list
.

If CD/DVD drive is listed before HDD , but it is NOT booting from DVD :

Your DVD is NOT burned properly , or ,
your BIOS is NOT able to boot from DVD . In that case CD may be used .
For that case , manual of your computer may be helpful to understand its
booting ability .


Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Why can't I install icu?

[Rem P Roberti]

Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to install.  
I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now deprecated, and one 
should install /devel/icu.  But when I try to do that the file that is 
downloaded is icu4c, and the install goes along until it chokes with 
this error message:


SUMMARY:
*** [Total error count: 1]
 Errors in
[/tsformat/ccaltst/TestCalendar]
Elapsed Time: 00:00:48.205
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/icu.

Very frustrating.  I need to get Gimp onto my computer, and I can 
install it as a package, but if I try to upgrade the program the upgrade 
always chokes on icu at the same place, and with the same error message.


Anyone?

Rem
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Re: Why top(1) only shows time of the main thread?

[Anonymous]

Yuri y...@rawbw.com writes:

 TIME column is supposed to show time of the process (according to its
 man page).
 But it seems like it only shows the time of its main thread.

 Why? Bug in documentation?

Wasn't this fixed in r182966?
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Re: Why top(1) only shows time of the main thread?

[Yuri]

On 01/07/2011 14:33, Anonymous wrote:

Yuriy...@rawbw.com  writes:

   

TIME column is supposed to show time of the process (according to its
man page).
But it seems like it only shows the time of its main thread.

Why? Bug in documentation?
 

Wasn't this fixed in r182966?
   


You are right according to this revision log (in stable/8):

r182966 | sepotvin | 2008-09-12 10:54:50 -0700 (Fri, 12 Sep 2008) | 7 lines

Display the sum of the runtime of all the threads in a process when it's
multithreaded instead of picking the time of the first thread found.


But I have rebuilt my system 8.1-STABLE on Oct 11 2010 and my top only 
shows the main thread's CPU use.


How can this be?
Yuri

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Why top(1) only shows time of the main thread?

[Yuri]

TIME column is supposed to show time of the process (according to its 
man page).

But it seems like it only shows the time of its main thread.

Why? Bug in documentation?

Yuri
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Re: Why are YT vids on FreeBSD all about hacking MSN? (solved)

[Balázs Mátéffy]

Hi,

I don't know about this, but you should definitely check out
bsdconferences.

http://www.youtube.com/bsdconferences

Regards,

MB.

On 31 December 2010 02:13, Xn Nooby xno...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wanted to watch some videos about FreeBSD, so I went to Youtube and
 searched on FreeBSD.  Then I sorted by Date Uploaded, and almost
 all the videos uploaded recently are about hacking MSN.  I went to the
 people's profiles, and they had no videos available.  I am guessing
 that people are creating fake YT accounts to post a video that then
 gets removed by YT.  It makes it impossible to find recent YT videos
 about FreeBSD.

 I just wondering if anyone else noticed this.

 If you do the basic YT search sorted on Relevance, you get really
 old FreeBSD videos.


 SOLVED:  I just noticed you can filter out msn from your results by
 searching for freebsd -msn.
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Why are YT vids on FreeBSD all about hacking MSN? (solved)

[Xn Nooby]

I wanted to watch some videos about FreeBSD, so I went to Youtube and
searched on FreeBSD.  Then I sorted by Date Uploaded, and almost
all the videos uploaded recently are about hacking MSN.  I went to the
people's profiles, and they had no videos available.  I am guessing
that people are creating fake YT accounts to post a video that then
gets removed by YT.  It makes it impossible to find recent YT videos
about FreeBSD.

I just wondering if anyone else noticed this.

If you do the basic YT search sorted on Relevance, you get really
old FreeBSD videos.


SOLVED:  I just noticed you can filter out msn from your results by
searching for freebsd -msn.
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Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Justin V.]

I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down..  I suspected a faulty wifi 
router.. i changed that out..


Ive tried using WEP and WPA.  Currently using WPA.

Here are the logs Im seeing..

Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - 
Disconnect event - remove keys
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with 
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with 
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with 
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:18 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with 
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with 
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: WPA: EAPOL-Key Replay Counter did 
not increase - dropping packet
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Associated with 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

Given the errors seen what would be the best debug to use??

wlandebug or tcpdump ??

I went ahead and enabled since my logs are complaining about association 
and authentication..


yeaguy# wlandebug -i wlan0 auth+assoc
net.wlan.0.debug: 0x0 = 0xc0assoc,auth
yeaguy#


Any tips would be appreciated.. I have an end user continually complaining 
of disconects over FTP..



Thanks,

justin v


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Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Mubeesh ali]

can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If
random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch.
This may force AP to drop the packet,  the ap may de authenticate
client if it sees continuous stream of such packets in a short
interval and force client to drop existing sessions like ftp.

Please try changing the channel. If the client and AP are both A
capable please try using the A band as there are more non overlapping
channels and u may be able to find a channel with low interference.



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:

 I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down..  I suspected a faulty wifi
 router.. i changed that out..

 Ive tried using WEP and WPA.  Currently using WPA.

 Here are the logs Im seeing..

 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED -
 Disconnect event - remove keys
 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
 Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
 Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
 Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
 Dec 16 07:48:18 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: WPA: EAPOL-Key Replay Counter
 did not increase - dropping packet
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Associated with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

 Given the errors seen what would be the best debug to use??

 wlandebug or tcpdump ??

 I went ahead and enabled since my logs are complaining about association and
 authentication..

 yeaguy# wlandebug -i wlan0 auth+assoc
 net.wlan.0.debug: 0x0 = 0xc0assoc,auth
 yeaguy#


 Any tips would be appreciated.. I have an end user continually complaining
 of disconects over FTP..


 Thanks,

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Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Justin V.]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote:


can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If
random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch.
This may force AP to drop the packet,  the ap may de authenticate
client if it sees continuous stream of such packets in a short
interval and force client to drop existing sessions like ftp.

Please try changing the channel. If the client and AP are both A
capable please try using the A band as there are more non overlapping
channels and u may be able to find a channel with low interference.



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:


I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down..  I suspected a faulty wifi
router.. i changed that out..

Ive tried using WEP and WPA.  Currently using WPA.

Here are the logs Im seeing..

Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED -
Disconnect event - remove keys
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:18 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: WPA: EAPOL-Key Replay Counter
did not increase - dropping packet
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Associated with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

Given the errors seen what would be the best debug to use??

wlandebug or tcpdump ??

I went ahead and enabled since my logs are complaining about association and
authentication..

yeaguy# wlandebug -i wlan0 auth+assoc
net.wlan.0.debug: 0x0 = 0xc0assoc,auth
yeaguy#


Any tips would be appreciated.. I have an end user continually complaining
of disconects over FTP..


Thanks,

justin v


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Hi Mubeesh,

It seems to be a random drop.. FTP will be humming along and then wlan0 
will go down..


I have the router set for channel 11...

i do not have these types of drops with other wifi capable devices..

ex.  WIN laptop, Playstaion 3... etc...



rum0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 2290
ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
status: associated
wlan0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
inet 192.168.1.169 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet OFDM/18Mbps mode 11g
status: associated
ssid vicnet channel 11 (2462 MHz 11g) bssid 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF
AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 0 bmiss 7 scanvalid 450
bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi 7 roam:rate 5
protmode CTS roaming MANUAL



Also yesterday, I lost complete connectivity to the router while my WIN PC 
was connected and browsing just fine..


I had to bounce the interface and reset the default gateway and my 
connection restored.


I did:

/etc/rc.d/netif restart  /etc/rc.d/routing restart


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Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Mubeesh ali]

Hi Justin,

I see 7 beacon misses on the interface which is not good the client
disconnects on beacon miss...typically most ap's are configured to
send a beacon every 100 ms .  ..this looks similar
http://madwifi-project.org/ticket/1957


thanks,
Mubeesh
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:


 On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote:

 can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If
 random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch.
 This may force AP to drop the packet,  the ap may de authenticate
 client if it sees continuous stream of such packets in a short
 interval and force client to drop existing sessions like ftp.

 Please try changing the channel. If the client and AP are both A
 capable please try using the A band as there are more non overlapping
 channels and u may be able to find a channel with low interference.



 On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:

 I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down..  I suspected a faulty wifi
 router.. i changed that out..

 Ive tried using WEP and WPA.  Currently using WPA.

 Here are the logs Im seeing..

 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED -
 Disconnect event - remove keys
 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
 Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
 Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
 Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
 Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
 Dec 16 07:48:18 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: WPA: EAPOL-Key Replay
 Counter
 did not increase - dropping packet
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Associated with
 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
 Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

 Given the errors seen what would be the best debug to use??

 wlandebug or tcpdump ??

 I went ahead and enabled since my logs are complaining about association
 and
 authentication..

 yeaguy# wlandebug -i wlan0 auth+assoc
 net.wlan.0.debug: 0x0 = 0xc0assoc,auth
 yeaguy#


 Any tips would be appreciated.. I have an end user continually
 complaining
 of disconects over FTP..


 Thanks,

 justin v


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 Hi Mubeesh,

 It seems to be a random drop.. FTP will be humming along and then wlan0 will
 go down..

 I have the router set for channel 11...

 i do not have these types of drops with other wifi capable devices..

 ex.  WIN laptop, Playstaion 3... etc...



 rum0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 2290
        ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
        media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
        status: associated
 wlan0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
        ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
        inet 192.168.1.169 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
        media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet OFDM/18Mbps mode 11g
        status: associated
        ssid vicnet channel 11 (2462 MHz 11g) bssid 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
        country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF
        AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 0 bmiss 7 scanvalid 450
        bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi 7 roam:rate 5
        protmode CTS roaming MANUAL



 Also yesterday, I lost complete connectivity to the router while my WIN PC
 was connected and browsing just fine..

 I had to bounce the interface and reset the default gateway and my
 connection restored.

 I did:

 /etc/rc.d/netif restart  /etc/rc.d/routing restart


 Thanks,

 Justin
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Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Justin V.]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote:


Hi Justin,

I see 7 beacon misses on the interface which is not good the client
disconnects on beacon miss...typically most ap's are configured to
send a beacon every 100 ms .  ..this looks similar
http://madwifi-project.org/ticket/1957


thanks,
Mubeesh
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:



On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote:


can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If
random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch.
This may force AP to drop the packet,  the ap may de authenticate
client if it sees continuous stream of such packets in a short
interval and force client to drop existing sessions like ftp.

Please try changing the channel. If the client and AP are both A
capable please try using the A band as there are more non overlapping
channels and u may be able to find a channel with low interference.



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:


I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down..  I suspected a faulty wifi
router.. i changed that out..

Ive tried using WEP and WPA.  Currently using WPA.

Here are the logs Im seeing..

Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED -
Disconnect event - remove keys
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:18 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: WPA: EAPOL-Key Replay
Counter
did not increase - dropping packet
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Associated with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

Given the errors seen what would be the best debug to use??

wlandebug or tcpdump ??

I went ahead and enabled since my logs are complaining about association
and
authentication..

yeaguy# wlandebug -i wlan0 auth+assoc
net.wlan.0.debug: 0x0 = 0xc0assoc,auth
yeaguy#


Any tips would be appreciated.. I have an end user continually
complaining
of disconects over FTP..


Thanks,

justin v


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Hi Mubeesh,

It seems to be a random drop.. FTP will be humming along and then wlan0 will
go down..

I have the router set for channel 11...

i do not have these types of drops with other wifi capable devices..

ex.  WIN laptop, Playstaion 3... etc...



rum0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 2290
       ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
       media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
       status: associated
wlan0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
       ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
       inet 192.168.1.169 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
       media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet OFDM/18Mbps mode 11g
       status: associated
       ssid vicnet channel 11 (2462 MHz 11g) bssid 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
       country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF
       AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 0 bmiss 7 scanvalid 450
       bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi 7 roam:rate 5
       protmode CTS roaming MANUAL



Also yesterday, I lost complete connectivity to the router while my WIN PC
was connected and browsing just fine..

I had to bounce the interface and reset the default gateway and my
connection restored.

I did:

/etc/rc.d/netif restart  /etc/rc.d/routing restart


Thanks,

Justin

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interesting.. do you know of a better adapter to use??

ive done a search on wlan0 and bmiss.. alot of threads regarding that 
issue, but all the threads show bmiss 7 ?? does that seem odd??

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Paul B Mahol]

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:
 interesting.. do you know of a better adapter to use??

 ive done a search on wlan0 and bmiss.. alot of threads regarding that issue,
 but all the threads show bmiss 7 ?? does that seem odd??

FYI, you can change bmiss value with ifconfig(8).
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Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Justin V.]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Paul B Mahol wrote:


On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:

interesting.. do you know of a better adapter to use??

ive done a search on wlan0 and bmiss.. alot of threads regarding that issue,
but all the threads show bmiss 7 ?? does that seem odd??


FYI, you can change bmiss value with ifconfig(8).
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i am going to reconfig the bmiss to 200 and see how the int handles 
traffic load after that.

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Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[Da Rock]

On 12/17/10 03:46, Justin V. wrote:



On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote:


can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If
random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch.
This may force AP to drop the packet,  the ap may de authenticate
client if it sees continuous stream of such packets in a short
interval and force client to drop existing sessions like ftp.

Please try changing the channel. If the client and AP are both A
capable please try using the A band as there are more non overlapping
channels and u may be able to find a channel with low interference.



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:


I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down..  I suspected a faulty wifi
router.. i changed that out..

Ive tried using WEP and WPA.  Currently using WPA.

Here are the logs Im seeing..

Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED -
Disconnect event - remove keys
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:18 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: WPA: EAPOL-Key Replay 
Counter

did not increase - dropping packet
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Associated with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

Given the errors seen what would be the best debug to use??

wlandebug or tcpdump ??

I went ahead and enabled since my logs are complaining about 
association and

authentication..

yeaguy# wlandebug -i wlan0 auth+assoc
net.wlan.0.debug: 0x0 = 0xc0assoc,auth
yeaguy#


Any tips would be appreciated.. I have an end user continually 
complaining

of disconects over FTP..


Thanks,

justin v


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Hi Mubeesh,

It seems to be a random drop.. FTP will be humming along and then 
wlan0 will go down..


I have the router set for channel 11...

i do not have these types of drops with other wifi capable devices..

ex.  WIN laptop, Playstaion 3... etc...



rum0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 
2290

ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
status: associated
wlan0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 
1500

ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
inet 192.168.1.169 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet OFDM/18Mbps mode 11g
status: associated
ssid vicnet channel 11 (2462 MHz 11g) bssid 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF
AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 0 bmiss 7 
scanvalid 450

bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi 7 roam:rate 5
protmode CTS roaming MANUAL



Also yesterday, I lost complete connectivity to the router while my 
WIN PC was connected and browsing just fine..


I had to bounce the interface and reset the default gateway and my 
connection restored.


I did:

/etc/rc.d/netif restart  /etc/rc.d/routing restart


Thanks,

Justin
What version FreeBSD are you using? The only workaround I know is kill 
wpa_supplicant and run again- been happening to me for ages. But 8.1 it 
_finally_ sorted it out :)



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Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

[justin v]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:38:54 -0800, Da Rock  
freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote:



On 12/17/10 03:46, Justin V. wrote:



On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote:


can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If
random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch.
This may force AP to drop the packet,  the ap may de authenticate
client if it sees continuous stream of such packets in a short
interval and force client to drop existing sessions like ftp.

Please try changing the channel. If the client and AP are both A
capable please try using the A band as there are more non overlapping
channels and u may be able to find a channel with low interference.



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote:


I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down..  I suspected a faulty wifi
router.. i changed that out..

Ive tried using WEP and WPA.  Currently using WPA.

Here are the logs Im seeing..

Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED -
Disconnect event - remove keys
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:07 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:18 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Authentication with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 timed out.
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Trying to associate with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74 (SSID='vicnet' freq=2462 MHz)
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: WPA: EAPOL-Key Replay  
Counter

did not increase - dropping packet
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: Associated with
00:22:6b:66:bf:74
Dec 16 07:48:20 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP

Given the errors seen what would be the best debug to use??

wlandebug or tcpdump ??

I went ahead and enabled since my logs are complaining about  
association and

authentication..

yeaguy# wlandebug -i wlan0 auth+assoc
net.wlan.0.debug: 0x0 = 0xc0assoc,auth
yeaguy#


Any tips would be appreciated.. I have an end user continually  
complaining

of disconects over FTP..


Thanks,

justin v


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Hi Mubeesh,

It seems to be a random drop.. FTP will be humming along and then wlan0  
will go down..


I have the router set for channel 11...

i do not have these types of drops with other wifi capable devices..

ex.  WIN laptop, Playstaion 3... etc...



rum0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu  
2290

ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
status: associated
wlan0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu  
1500

ether 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a
inet 192.168.1.169 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet OFDM/18Mbps mode 11g
status: associated
ssid vicnet channel 11 (2462 MHz 11g) bssid 00:22:6b:66:bf:74
country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF
AES-CCM 2:128-bit AES-CCM 3:128-bit txpower 0 bmiss 7 scanvalid  
450

bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi 7 roam:rate 5
protmode CTS roaming MANUAL



Also yesterday, I lost complete connectivity to the router while my WIN  
PC was connected and browsing just fine..


I had to bounce the interface and reset the default gateway and my  
connection restored.


I did:

/etc/rc.d/netif restart  /etc/rc.d/routing restart


Thanks,

Justin
What version FreeBSD are you using? The only workaround I know is kill  
wpa_supplicant and run again- been happening to me for ages. But 8.1 it  
_finally_ sorted it out :)



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All watchpoints are software.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Richard T C Farnes]

To Da Rock and others
Please feel free  to use my text here in any marketing.

On Tuesday 23 November 2010 00:47:50 Da Rock wrote:
 On 11/23/10 07:29, Richard T C Farnes wrote:
  Why do some people get  hung up in some  features of our cute little
  mascot that remind them of devils. You must look at it in a positive way
  that represents FreeBSD like a sporting character that has a sporty
  attitude. Just observe the modern running shoes and it has a harpoon in
  its hand to signify being ready to attack all problems on the way. Linux
  has only a lazy penguin that does not seem to be  doing anything except
  sitting on its behind.
 
  Hope this answers all questions about this matter
  Sign
  Richard Farnes

 If you don't mind, I'll use that perspective in my marketing. I like
 that one :)

  On Saturday 20 November 2010 09:00:04 Da Rock wrote:
  On 11/14/10 05:22, Chad Perrin wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
  Did you know...
  If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
  but what's worse is when you play it forward
 
  I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
  current one.
 
  I vote Vista.
 
  I vote Winblow$ 7. The bloody cloud for photos ad on tv gives me the
  shits no end. 1) As if you'd need more than one computer to edit a
  photo, and 2) as if you could solve anything with M$ crap in the first
  place...
 
  And the missus doesn't like the idea of an unnatural photo either, so
  that'd be 2 votes
 
  Oh and thank you! Finally I have a FreeBSD media system! Hoorah! Now to
  move forward finally...
 
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Steve Bertrand]

On 2010.11.11 19:44, Ryan Coleman wrote:
 Not this shit again...

Amen!

Steve
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Steve Bertrand]

On 2010.11.11 23:49, Adam Vande More wrote:

 I thought I remembered this little gem:
 
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-June/177810.html

LMFAO!!

Steve

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Richard T C Farnes]

Why do some people get  hung up in some  features of our cute little mascot 
that remind them of devils. You must look at it in a positive way that 
represents FreeBSD like a sporting character that has a sporty attitude. Just  
observe the modern running shoes and it has a harpoon in its hand to signify 
being ready to attack all problems on the way. Linux has only a lazy penguin 
that does not seem to be  doing anything except sitting on its behind.

Hope this answers all questions about this matter
Sign
Richard Farnes


On Saturday 20 November 2010 09:00:04 Da Rock wrote:
 On 11/14/10 05:22, Chad Perrin wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
  Did you know...
  If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
  but what's worse is when you play it forward
 
  I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
  current one.
 
  I vote Vista.

 I vote Winblow$ 7. The bloody cloud for photos ad on tv gives me the
 shits no end. 1) As if you'd need more than one computer to edit a
 photo, and 2) as if you could solve anything with M$ crap in the first
 place...

 And the missus doesn't like the idea of an unnatural photo either, so
 that'd be 2 votes

 Oh and thank you! Finally I have a FreeBSD media system! Hoorah! Now to
 move forward finally...

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Alejandro Imass]

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Richard T C Farnes
rcfar...@broadpark.no wrote:
[...]
 Linux has only a lazy penguin
 that does not seem to be  doing anything except sitting on its behind.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Da Rock]

On 11/23/10 07:29, Richard T C Farnes wrote:

Why do some people get  hung up in some  features of our cute little mascot
that remind them of devils. You must look at it in a positive way that
represents FreeBSD like a sporting character that has a sporty attitude. Just
observe the modern running shoes and it has a harpoon in its hand to signify
being ready to attack all problems on the way. Linux has only a lazy penguin
that does not seem to be  doing anything except sitting on its behind.

Hope this answers all questions about this matter
Sign
Richard Farnes


   
If you don't mind, I'll use that perspective in my marketing. I like 
that one :)



On Saturday 20 November 2010 09:00:04 Da Rock wrote:
   

On 11/14/10 05:22, Chad Perrin wrote:
 

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
   

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
 

Did you know...
If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward
   

I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
current one.
 

I vote Vista.
   

I vote Winblow$ 7. The bloody cloud for photos ad on tv gives me the
shits no end. 1) As if you'd need more than one computer to edit a
photo, and 2) as if you could solve anything with M$ crap in the first
place...

And the missus doesn't like the idea of an unnatural photo either, so
that'd be 2 votes

Oh and thank you! Finally I have a FreeBSD media system! Hoorah! Now to
move forward finally...

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Da Rock]

On 11/14/10 05:22, Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
   

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
 

Did you know...
If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward
   

I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
current one.
 

I vote Vista.

   
I vote Winblow$ 7. The bloody cloud for photos ad on tv gives me the 
shits no end. 1) As if you'd need more than one computer to edit a 
photo, and 2) as if you could solve anything with M$ crap in the first 
place...


And the missus doesn't like the idea of an unnatural photo either, so 
that'd be 2 votes


Oh and thank you! Finally I have a FreeBSD media system! Hoorah! Now to 
move forward finally...


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Andrew Falanga]

2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com

 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!


Jose,

So many have replied already and I truthfully haven't read each post.  I did
want to say something about this though since I am a Christian.  Early on I
was a little troubled.  However, this was due, not to some tennent of the
faith but rather to my ignorance of my own faith and immaturity.  The
reality is, that mascot for FreeBSD has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan.

Andy
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Da Rock]

On 11/13/10 16:08, Chris Brennan wrote:

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cranbr...@cran.org.uk  wrote:

   

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500
Chris Brennanxa...@xaerolimit.net  wrote:

 

Did you know...
If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000
   

Yes, I think we know that by now.

--
Bruce Cran

 

It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig to
the list.

Did you know...
If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,

but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000
   

I personally love it - way too true! Mind if I use it?

Incidentally, doesn't this hold true for all Winblow$ disks?

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[perryh]

Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:

 there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower.
 C is perfect

Which C are you referring to here?  The original KR, ANSI, or some
other variant?  ANSI C is different enough from KR C -- in strength
of typing if nothing else -- that some would say ANSI C _is_ the
next language following KR C.
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Julian H. Stacey]

per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 
  there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower.
  C is perfect
 
 Which C are you referring to here?  The original KR, ANSI, or some
 other variant?  ANSI C is different enough from KR C -- in strength
 of typing if nothing else -- that some would say ANSI C _is_ the
 next language following KR C.


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Wojciech Puchar]

implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
(at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
or P (next letter of BCPL)?
there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower. C is 
perfect

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Arthur Chance]

On 11/14/10 20:44, Gary Kline wrote:

TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!


According to Wikipedia:

 The Combined Programming Language (CPL) was a computer programming
 language developed jointly between the Mathematical Laboratory at the
 University of Cambridge and the University of London Computer Unit
 during the 1960s hence CPL gained the nickname Cambridge Plus London

Martin Richards, who invented/first implemented BCPL is technically 
retired but still active here in Cambridge (the UK one):


http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/index.html

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 337, Issue 1, Message: 19
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:29:10 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
   
  About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
  effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
  C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
  good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
  learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

Deftly avoiding the whirlpool.  Delphi was the similar suck from Pascal.

  Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
  the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
  Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good thing.
 
  Agile development is the Next Big Thing for development methodologies,
  but that's a somewhat separate issue.

Whatever that means, I'll take your word for it :)

  Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
  enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
  2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.
  
  That's correct -- 2nd Ed is the ANSI C version of basically the same
  text.

Hey, didn't know I had a rare '78 first ed; ANSI not even in the index. 
I confess to buying it secondhand in '94 from a likely sorry bloke, and 
wonder if anyone's published a diff (ono) to the 2nd ed?

But my most dog-eared, tabbed and note-stuffed reference is Kernighan  
Plauger's Software Tools in Pascal ('81) - lovely if only for quality of 
the writing and typesetting.  Appropriate thread for a little heresy? :)

cheers, Ian
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History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[perryh]

Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
  should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
  (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++'
  to this day)

 ... D is already another programming language ...

It wasn't back then :)

 I don't know what this P has to do with it.

You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)

In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
written in BCPL.

CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
(at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
or P (next letter of BCPL)?
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Sergio de Almeida Lenzi]

 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?

Wow!!!  I had forgotten... I have done some projects using BCPL... in a
mainframe (S370) running
MVS in the 70's...
it was lightning fast. we had made a kind of TSO (time sharing option)
that runs on top
of VTAM, to bring online compile and run cobol programs to the
desktop...   
while a batch work responds  in 3 hours, a TSO (written in bcpl)
responds in seconds...

Thanks for remember the good old days ...
it is still active!!! = http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/BCPL.html


Sergio
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Robert Bonomi]

 From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sun Nov 14 03:09:59 2010
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:00:35 -0800
 From: per...@pluto.rain.com
 To: per...@apotheon.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
   should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
   (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++'
   to this day)
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...

 It wasn't back then :)

  I don't know what this P has to do with it.

 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)

 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.

 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.

Trivia:  BCPL was the _first_ programming language to use 'curly braces'
to group statements.  It also used '//' to indroduce a 'single-line comment'.

Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) 

Ken Thompson, 1969

 produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.

Mostly one.  Dennis Ritchie, circa 1972.  Brian Kernighan contributed, 
and Ken stuck his oar in occasionally.

Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...
 
 It wasn't back then :)

It is now, though, so it's a little late.  So sorry.


 
  I don't know what this P has to do with it.
 
 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)

No -- I've revealed myself as someone who doesn't care nearly as much
about C++ as about C.


 
 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.
 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?

. . . and there was a flamewar over it, blah blah blah, and finally it
was C++.  Okay.  Good historical reference.  Thanks.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
   should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
   (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++'
   to this day)
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...
 
 It wasn't back then :)
 
  I don't know what this P has to do with it.
 
 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)
 
 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.
 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?


I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.

Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
(in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
about it.

TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!

gary


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 
   I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
   connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.

That might be a good point.

Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages
(or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age,
however.


 
   Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
   (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
   what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
   thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
   opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
   about it.

Perhaps ironically, some called C++ C With Classes early on, as I
recall.  Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed
it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP),
while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all
kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like
a politician once elected to office).  This is, of course, largely the
perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth.


 
   TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
   Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
   both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
   2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
   to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
   somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!

The second edition is still in stores all over the place.  It's the first
edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think.  My father
tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second
edition.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
 
 
   Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
   (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
   what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
   thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
   opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
   about it.
 
The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup

 
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:41:41PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
  
  I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
  connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.
 
 That might be a good point.
 
 Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages
 (or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age,
 however.


I won't argue the point! but how about IEEE?  I subscribed
to that for years and some people noted that spoken as a word,
Ieee was like the primal scream!  Hm maybe the EEE
language?!
 
 
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
 
 Perhaps ironically, some called C++ C With Classes early on, as I
 recall.  Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed
 it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP),
 while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all
 kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like
 a politician once elected to office).  This is, of course, largely the
 perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth.
 

About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

 
  
  TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
  Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
  both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
  2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
  to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
  somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!
 
 The second edition is still in stores all over the place.  It's the first
 edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think.  My father
 tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second
 edition.


Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.

gary
 
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
 Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
  
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
  
 The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
 to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
 West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
 of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
 foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup

There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a
joke:

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all

It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published
interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer
Magazine that reads quite differently from this.  Still . . . if this is
real, it would certainly explain a lot.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
 Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
  
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
  
 The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
 to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
 West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
 of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
 foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup
 

I'm sure I had my share of disasters with C++ hacking test code
, but OMG, the head banging was nothing compared to heavy C
coding in the early days.   The number of segv's brings back
evil memories:-)  That, and having to take a notebook and draw
out where you were [or _thought_ you were] pointing to.
--Things they can't teach very well in the classroom-- that sort
of stuff.

Great quote!


  
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 03:37:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
  Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
   
   
 Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
 (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
 what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
 thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
 opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
 about it.
   
  The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
  to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
  West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
  of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
  foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup
 
 There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a
 joke:
 
 http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
 
 It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published
 interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer
 Magazine that reads quite differently from this.  Still . . . if this is
 real, it would certainly explain a lot.
 


Hmmm.  I'll ck out the quote when I'm using evo.  I honestly
doesn't see C++ as any joke--or attempt to be.  What I can't 
grok is the supposed re-useability.  Was/Isn't a big part of
C++ supposed to be that you could easily reuse part of proven,
flawless code?  I probably never got that far into learning the
language.  I have and still do edit, cut/paste, hammer and saw
away at my C examples to get at functions that are reusable.


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Re: FreeBSD crashed - trying to find out why

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:26:39 +0400,
Rakhesh Sasidharan free...@rakhesh.net a écrit :

Hello,

 Any idea why kernel crashed, or what I can do to prevent this in
 future? I understand from the forums that this could be due to bad
 memory or bad hard disk, but I was wondering whether this could also
 be due to any incompatibilities with KVM (triggered by tmux perhaps). 

No idea, the best is to configure the machine to save the dump and
after (if it happens again) submit a trace of the core dump.

This is explained in :
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 
   About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
   effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
   C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
   good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
   learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good thing.

Agile development is the Next Big Thing for development methodologies,
but that's a somewhat separate issue.


 
   Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
   enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
   2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.

That's correct -- 2nd Ed is the ANSI C version of basically the same
text.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Charlie Kester]

On Sun 14 Nov 2010 at 16:29:10 PST Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:


About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine
effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into
C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a
good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.


Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good


I'd say the Next Big Thing in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML?

BTW, it's now the '10s.  ;-)
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:54:42PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
 
 I'd say the Next Big Thing in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML?

Python hasn't been dominant enough.  *Maybe* XML -- but that might be a
bit of a stretch.  It might be a couple years before we can identify it.

Hm.  Maybe JavaScript . . . ?  You know, that AJAXy thing.


 
 BTW, it's now the '10s.  ;-)

Yeah, but there obviously hasn't been a Next Big Thing programming
language for the '10s yet.  Give it time.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Chris Brennan]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote:


 On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote:

  On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:
 
  On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500
  Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:
 
  Did you know...
  If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
  but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000
 
  Yes, I think we know that by now.
 
  --
  Bruce Cran
 
 
  It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig
 to
  the list.

 And my friends all got a kick out of it when I shared it. Not all are
 FreeBSD fans but all hate Windows 2K the same :)



I'm glad it amused them, as that is it's purpose.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Chris Brennan]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:

 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:08:02 -0500
 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

  It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my
  sig to the list.
 
  Did you know...
  If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 
  but what's worse is when you play it forward
...it installs Windows 2000
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 The problem is that it's part of the main block of text and as such is
 rather offputting. If you want it to be your signature it should be
 separated from the main block of text somehow - preferably by the
 signature separator (--  followed by a newline).

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Ya know, I have it there, but for some reason, GMail/Google Apps Keeps
omitting it, I've resorted to manually putting it in when I move my sig from
the the top of the message body.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Chris Brennan]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 01:06:55AM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com
 wrote:
  
   What would you have me do -- beat a live horse?  I'm not inclined to
   subject a living creature to such cruelty.
 
  Is beating a dead horse no more cruel?

 Do dead horses have feelings?

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I would imagine not, but the spirit of the dead horse might. And it would
suck if that spirit were to come back as an ugly 8ft fly-thing with a really
bad attitude and a grudge. Poor Aurthur...Just can't catch a break!

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Jerry]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:06:55 -0500
Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net articulated:

 Did you know...
 If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 but what's worse is when you play it forward
 
   ...it installs Windows 2000
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I am now creating a kill filter for this poster. If he isn't smart
enough to figure out how to properly enter his factually incorrect,
obsolete and well worn codicil to every message correctly; i.e, after
the sig-delimiter, then I have not the time not inclination to read
his dribble.

Attention Chris Brennan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block

http://email.about.com/od/emailsignaturenetiquette/qt/Use_the_Standard_Email_Signature_Delimiter.htm

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[David DEMELIER]

2010/11/12 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com:
 Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

 For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!

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I never thought this kind of mail could spawn 70 answers in only two
days. It takes useless storage for nothing. You are wasting your time
answering this imho :-).

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Mario Lobo]

On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote:
 i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)
 

Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead!

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Justin V.]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Mario Lobo wrote:


On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote:

i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)



Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead!

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Its Beelzebub, the daemon.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Svein Skogen (Listmail account)]

On 13.11.2010 15:59, Mario Lobo wrote:
 On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote:
 i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)

 
 Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead!

Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or
the resources for newbies on the website?

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Fwd: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Chris Brennan]

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Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:05 AM
Subject: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
To: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net


Has anyone gotten repeated forwards from the above user or is it just me?

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Tom Worster]

On 11/12/10 7:18 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester
corky1...@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote:
Must we continue to beat this already dead horse?
Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally
dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate.

Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate.

isn't that where Derrida wrote the book?


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Tom Worster]

On 11/12/10 6:44 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from
the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the
dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat
this already dead horse?

in his most recent email to me, José Silveira signed off with: Finally, I
am very happy to not to be part of freeBSD community.

i admit i'm happy about that too.


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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Charlie Kester,

Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote:
 Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat:
 
 M$ vs Novell
 Unix vs Linux
 Mainframe vs PC
 DAS vs SAN
 Top-posting vs Bottom posting
 Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada
 
 OK, I'll play:
 
 Gnome vs KDE
 Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's)
 GPL vs BSDL
 C vs any other programming language

Debian vs. FreeBSD.

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Liontaur,

Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;)

Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor

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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Jerry McAllister]

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:

 
 Did you know...
 If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages,
 but what's worse is when you play it forward
   ...it installs Windows 2000

I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more
current one.

jerry


 
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:

  i guess  it is high time this list  bans the word devil in subject ;-)
 
 
 Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or
 the resources for newbies on the website?

Now that is a good idea.

jerry

 
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