Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 01:06:12PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
i already proposed (but not publically) to turn FreeBSD into
commercial system.
REALLY i would not see a problem to pay say 100$ per server licence.
I would see a problem with that -- not because I
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
We put clang because sponsors wanted it.
Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3
they are not.
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
You don't know what you don't know, trollboi.
Anything so much as
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jun 21 12:37:00 2012
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:30:40 +0200 (CEST)
From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
To: Mark Felder f...@feld.me
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Why Clang
z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jun 21 12:39:02 2012
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:30:23 +0200 (CEST)
From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
To: Robison, Dave david.robi...@fisglobal.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Why Clang
Because there's
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jun 21 12:44:17 2012
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:36:03 +0200 (CEST)
From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
To: Mark Felder f...@feld.me
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Why Clang
sources please!
Google GPLv3
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jun 21 12:46:15 2012
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:37:48 -0500
From: Mark Felder f...@feld.me
Cc: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
Subject: Re: Why Clang
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:36:03 -0500, Wojciech
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I disagree with the assessment by others that FreeBSD is in some way
effectively a subsidiary of its corporate users, but it does have
corporate users, as well as non-corporate users. Just as it must
reasonably see to
Because it doesn't address an of the *OTHER* valid reasons why GCC is
being replaced -- among them:
1) GCC's continuously increasing propensity to generate bad code,
examples? All test shows that gcc code is not only bad, but very good. Why
are you just saying things you know isn't true
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Because it doesn't address an of the *OTHER* valid reasons why GCC is
being replaced -- among them:
1) GCC's continuously increasing propensity to generate bad code,
examples? All test shows that gcc code is not only bad, but very good.
Why are you just saying things you
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:25:55 -0500, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
examples? All test shows that gcc code is not only bad, but very good.
Why are you just saying things you know isn't true?
Fast code is not guaranteed to be correct code
Thomas Mueller wrote:
There actually is/was a closed-source BSD (BSDI), and there is Mac OS X, with
BSD under the covers.
BSDi sold source-code licenses. I was an early-adopter, and I _have_ one.
The vast majority of the code was taken directly from BSD 4.4 Lite, and
the source-code
From woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 22 09:26:33 2012
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:25:55 +0200 (CEST)
From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl
To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com
cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Why Clang
Because it doesn't address
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:28:17AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
biggest problem with what you propose, though, is that it would destroy
the social factors in development of the FreeBSD system that make it what
it is, and thus destroy FreeBSD itself, as far as I am concerned.
I am not
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:16:09PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 01:06:12PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
i already proposed (but not publically) to turn FreeBSD into
commercial system.
REALLY i would not see a problem to pay say 100$ per
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:24:57AM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I disagree with the assessment by others that FreeBSD is in some way
effectively a subsidiary of its corporate users, but it does have
corporate users, as
Le 21 juin 2012 à 03:52, kpn...@pobox.com a écrit :
All of this may seem stupid to a reasonable person outside of law. I'll agree
that it probably does look stupid. But it is also the reality of the legal
systems we must live with today.
I can only praise kpneal for this very well
And I just want to add I'm a gay Marxist atheist and I represent the
accusations leveled in that other post...we have feelings too!!!
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No, this is unusual. But also remember that most of these lists are not
just unmoderated but open to posting without subscription. Then it
becomes kind of amazing at how little flaming and trolling there is.
That's not an accident, the admins work hard
for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. If
FreeBSD appears
as a subsidiary of some commercial company (say Juniper) i am not sure this
will be good
I think any project that size is actually a subsidiary and must be.
I just don't like that it isn't stated
Because of FreeBSD lists being mainly unmoderated and open to posting without
subscription, I notice some outright spams that slip through the list filters.
I believe (could possibly be wrong) that the lists have spam filters in place.
it must have and well done. FreeBSD list is for sure more
to move to other license that
protects his work and let others use it was well with little to no
strings attached. He know uses the CDDL which is also an Open Source
License. He can give you many reasons as to why the GPLv3 is the
wrong way to go. I can ask him for these and other reasons
wrong way to go. I can ask him for these and other reasons at your
request.
Yes, that would be a good idea, not so much for me as for others who want to
better understand the licensing issues of GCC compared to Clang.
i would like to hear this. but only in C compiler context.
i understand
On 6/21/12 1:40 AM, Michel Talon wrote:
Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a
merit
for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself.
You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and
maintenance staff and the
commercial users. If
FreeBSD cannot maintain the critical mass to continue, it will not continue.
but why it isn't clearly stated:
We put clang because sponsors wanted it.
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and the money to pay for them comes from those
commercial users. If FreeBSD cannot maintain the critical mass to
continue, it will not continue.
but why it isn't clearly stated:
We put clang because sponsors wanted it.
Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a
GPLv3
We put clang because sponsors wanted it.
Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3
they are not.
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
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On 6/21/12 10:16 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
We put clang because sponsors wanted it.
Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a
GPLv3
they are not.
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
Programs that link to GPLv3 libraries are encumbered.
On 06/21/2012 10:08, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and
maintenance staff and the money to pay for them comes from those
commercial users. If FreeBSD cannot maintain the critical mass to
continue, it will not continue.
but why it isn't
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:31 -0500, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
This has not been decided in court yet.
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they are not.
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
Programs that link to GPLv3 libraries are encumbered.
you mean libgcc_s.so.1 and libstdc++?
scanned /bin and /usr/bin and few programs do link it - all are C++
written.
None IMHO are needed in closed-source system
Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion.
Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC
Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC.
Politics won.
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programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
This has not been decided in court yet.
sources please!
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:30:40 -0500, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
This has not been decided in court yet.
sources please!
Google GPLv3 court case. There are no
sources please!
Google GPLv3 court case. There are no applicable results. Until a Judge
decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk.
true.
But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter
to GNU Free Software Foundation asking for just
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:36:03 -0500, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter
to GNU Free Software Foundation asking for just that case?
There needs to be a lawsuit and lawyers and judges need
On 06/21/2012 10:30, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion.
Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC
Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC.
Politics won.
Excellent. We have a
On 6/21/12 10:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
sources please!
Google GPLv3 court case. There are no applicable results. Until a
Judge decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk.
true.
But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official
letter to GNU Free
out
even more interesting. That's why a lawyer's answer should always be
it depends. :)
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that this is indeed not tested in court. Therefore, reality may
turn out
even more interesting. That's why a lawyer's answer should always be it
depends. :)
GNU GPL is even worse that i ever dreamed (in worst horror).
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.
Please note that this is indeed not tested in court. Therefore, reality may
turn out
even more interesting. That's why a lawyer's answer should always be it
depends. :)
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misses and jump misprediction.
That's why my gzip comparision resulted in minimally worse clang-compiled
one (1% or less), while f2c converted fortran code for scientific
calculations showed large differences.
i expect large difference in eg. cjpeg, lame etc and rather small in for
eg. perl
of core GCC functionality
with non-GPL
tooling and extensions.
Please note that this is indeed not tested in court. Therefore, reality
may turn out
even more interesting. That's why a lawyer's answer should always be it
depends. :)
GNU GPL is even worse that i ever dreamed (in worst horror
On 6/21/12 10:30 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
This has not been decided in court yet.
sources please!
Logical fallacy -- looking for a non-existence proof.
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:33:40 -0500, Mark Felder wrote:
Google GPLv3 court case. There are no applicable results. Until a Judge
decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk.
As you've already been told it's not English it's Law
I assume that there's not just one case
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:25:22AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You
i don't talk that case, but if i am hired to write some part of
program as an employer in software company.
There are basically four circumstances that might apply here,
requires. There was little to no way to
enforce the license, he decided to move to other license that
protects his work and let others use it was well with little to no
strings attached. He know uses the CDDL which is also an Open Source
License. He can give you many reasons as to why
2012-06-21 19:33, Mark Felder skrev:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:30:40 -0500, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
This has not been decided in court yet.
sources please!
2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev:
we have feelings too!!!
Ouch! Another feeling person. Can't you just stop this feeling stuff.
/sarcasm off
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:40:11AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
Le 21 juin 2012 à 03:52, kpn...@pobox.com a écrit :
All of this may seem stupid to a reasonable person outside of law. I'll
agree
that it probably does look stupid. But it is also the reality of the legal
systems we must
), but
if they enforce decision because of their personal likes then it
must be stopped.
You seem to think this is all about Juniper. I wonder where you get that
idea. Why didn't you pluck iXsystems out of thin air as your whipping
boy, or Yahoo, or some other corporate user?
GPLv3 based C compiler does
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 07:30:23PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion.
Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC
Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC.
Politics won.
Hi,
On Friday 22 June 2012 11:18:01 Bernt Hansson wrote:
2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev:
we have feelings too!!!
Ouch! Another feeling person. Can't you just stop this feeling stuff.
do not forget the feelings regarding the devil.
Erich
2012-06-22 06:50, Erich Dollansky skrev:
Hi,
On Friday 22 June 2012 11:18:01 Bernt Hansson wrote:
2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev:
we have feelings too!!!
Ouch! Another feeling person. Can't you just stop this feeling stuff.
do not forget the feelings regarding the devil.
Hi,
On Friday 22 June 2012 12:04:35 Bernt Hansson wrote:
2012-06-22 06:50, Erich Dollansky skrev:
On Friday 22 June 2012 11:18:01 Bernt Hansson wrote:
2012-06-21 10:59, fred.mor...@gmail.com skrev:
we have feelings too!!!
Ouch! Another feeling person. Can't you just stop this feeling
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Does GPLv3 does force programs you compile with gcc to be GPLed?
As far as I know, the main difference is that the GPLv3 is
often called a viral license. Software linking against v3
libraries and so maybe
Here[1] we can read a program linking agains a gpl v3 library should be released
under the gplv3 too. However, the only concern would be when the program is
implicitly linked against libgcc right? Well, there's even an
exception[2] for this.
this is exactly how i understand that. Anyway
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Here[1] we can read a program linking agains a gpl v3 library should
be released
under the gplv3 too. However, the only concern would be when the
program is
implicitly linked against libgcc right? Well, there's even an
exception[2] for this.
this is exactly how i
The bad thing about GPLv3 is that if anyone commits any code under this
license into the tree vendors that use our code base for making their own
OSes will ditch FreeBSD as they can be sued by FSF. Juniper for example. It
would be wise to listen to their point of view on GPLv3.
not really
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
The bad thing about GPLv3 is that if anyone commits any code under
this license into the tree vendors that use our code base for making
their own OSes will ditch FreeBSD as they can be sued by FSF. Juniper
for example. It would be wise to listen to their point of view on
On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
BSDL in opposite is often criticized a rape me license.
No, it is not, except perhaps by lying atheist Marxist bastards and his
religious adherents.
Please don't use atheist as a derogatory term. There are plenty of
capitalistic
I am also a newcomer and I agree with Stephen. But I guess the only
way is to simply ignore those who make such statements. I don't see
much benefit in arguing or reasoning with them.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Cook scli...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:04:47 +0200
Fred Morcos articulated:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Cook scli...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
BSDL in opposite is often criticized a rape me license.
No, it is not, except perhaps by lying
Really, this format of discussion is rather exception
than rule (from my experience).
Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me,
but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD
mailing list at all.
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I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y? I
no. it is temporary.
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A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would seem
to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness of
FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six or more
strange but usefulness of FreeBSD wasn't questioned.
By the way Fred, please don't
Really, this format of discussion is rather exception
than rule (from my experience).
or rather - discussion is a rule :)
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system compilers - this is
the first one.
But I believe it is a good proof, that clang is a serious alternative to
gcc - else people would talk about an interesting project or something
like that.
Greetings
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:48:15 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar articulated:
A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would
seem to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness
of FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six
or more
Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me,
but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD
mailing list at all.
Actually I can't remember any flame-war about system compilers - this is the
first one.
because such situation like now never happened - changing C compiler to
much worse
On Wednesday 20 June 2012 12:59:51 Stephen Cook wrote:
On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
[snip childish invective]
I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this
flame-y? I realize that this particular post might be trolling / satire
No, they
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2012 12:59:51 Stephen Cook wrote:
On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
[snip childish invective]
I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this
flame-y?
Polytropon wrote:
I assume it's just an aspect of still being too young in
regards of missing the difference between freedom and
anarchy: the right to extend one's freedom is limited
as soon as it limits the freedom of others. Maybe another
aspect is the lack of discussion culture and the
They could be reduced by a combo. of eg:
- forcible unsub, black list,
- block of anon. remailer domains
- making this list subscribtion required before posting.
(which would make it harder for newbies fresh to
FreeBSD, but we need some
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me,
but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD
mailing list at all.
Actually I can't remember any flame-war about system compilers - this is
the first
it is only a proof that it was decided to put it as FreeBSD default
compiler.
Everything is said, explained and discusse why this decision is made.. So
Explanation about the decision was already made isn't explanation.
but i don't require any explanation. actually i don't require anything
I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under
GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not
isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own
this and even you cannot use it in closed source software?
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:31 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under
GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not
isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own
this and
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:06:31PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under
GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not
isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really
own this and even
isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own
this and even you cannot use it in closed source software?
Releasing something as GPL does not mean you give up
copyright. If I understood this whole thing correctly,
I'm not a lawyer but i repeat what i've read time ago,
isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really
own this and even you cannot use it in closed source software?
When you license something, you still own the copyright. You can then
release it under other licenses as well, and for versions you have
modified you can release
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:57:17 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote:
from what i know (still, possibly incorrent) if i am hired as a programmer
and write a program, this program belong to the company and i couldn't use
it everywhere at least officially.
That is highly debatable and mostly
You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You
i don't talk that case, but if i am hired to write some part of program as
an employer in software company.
So - if authors of any project, no matter how numerous, will all
without exception agree that they want to get rid of GPL,
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:25:22 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote:
You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You
i don't talk that case, but if i am hired to write some part of program as
an employer in software company.
Sorry, I misread the situation.
In this case I assume that
Hi Polytropon, cc questions@
(No CC Wojciech P. as my local filters drop text from him )
To translate this to a programmer's job:
You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You
deliver the program. That's what you are paid for. Still
the source code is yours (as _you_ are the
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Subject: Re: Why Clang
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:25:22 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote:
You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You
i don't talk that case, but if i am hired to write some part of program as
an employer in software company.
Sorry, I misread
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Sorry, my last header wrongly to Mark Felder, could give
the wrong impression. I would like Wojciech Puchar (not Mark F.)
to stop banging on about 'GNU communist licence' etc.
because you don't like facts.
No you don't. You like what YOU (and
No you don't. You like what YOU (and ONLY you) think of as facts (see below).
still not explained what is wrong in comparing end results of benchmark
and seeing that they are quite same. This is the only meaningful point for
me.
I live ideology for others.
Only facts? Well and good. Do you
|libre)office fail because of libgcc_s compiled with clang on amd64.
I guess that's why I want to keep at least one GCC-compiled world for now.
Like it or not, Linux is by far the leading open-source OS, and most of the
ports are originally developed with mainly Linux in mind.
Linux software
Thomas Mueller writes:
Now how will I know whether GCC or Clang is the default compiler
for building the world and kernel, and for ports?
My understanding is:
8.*
base - gcc
ports - gcc
9.0 (and possibly 9.*)
base - gcc
ports - clang
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
If you cannot see this - i cannot help you any more. sorry.
Your noise is no help. Use appropriate lists.
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
Cheers,
Julian
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Reply below not
Only facts? Well and good. Do you have any proof GNU is in any way
connected to any communist movement?
Yes, see the Gnu Manifesto. Hint: it's named that way for a reason.
Do you have any facts (NOT living in your head) GPLvX is in any way
inspired/based on/even remotely connected to/ ANY
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote:
Thomas Mueller writes:
Now how will I know whether GCC or Clang is the default compiler
for building the world and kernel, and for ports?
My understanding is:
8.*
base - gcc
ports - gcc
David Brodbeck said:
Another way of looking at it is after 25 years of optimization GCC is
unable to beat a new compiler that's had almost none...
Unfortunately this affirmation is blatantly false, recent gcc produce code
much faster than clang. I give here an example which i like, a monte carlo
I would also guess that the base system is stuck with gcc ~4.1 due to
the GPLv3-ization of later gcc version. Is that correct?
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Michel Talon ta...@lpthe.jussieu.fr wrote:
David Brodbeck said:
Another way of looking at it is after 25 years of optimization GCC is
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:14:25 -0500, Fred Morcos fred.mor...@gmail.com
wrote:
I would also guess that the base system is stuck with gcc ~4.1 due to
the GPLv3-ization of later gcc version. Is that correct?
Yes, 4.2.1 is the latest we can use.
Also, I have no idea what version of Clang
You should really configure your email client to attribute quoted
commentary properly (or, as a first step, at all).
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 06:51:00AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
be more exact.
I believe Robert Bonomi (you didn't include attribution for the previous
email, I notice)
On 19.06.2012 16:43, Michel Talon wrote:
David Brodbeck said:
Another way of looking at it is after 25 years of optimization GCC is
unable to beat a new compiler that's had almost none...
Unfortunately this affirmation is blatantly false, recent gcc produce code
much faster than clang. I
lilas% clang -v
Apple clang version 2.1 (tags/Apple/clang-163.7.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
Target: x86_64-apple-darwin11.4.0
lilas% clang -O4 test.c -lf2c
lilas% time ./a.out
...
real 0m2.359s
user 0m2.341s
sys 0m0.003s
lilas% /usr/local/bin/gcc -v
?
gcc version 4.6.1 (GCC)
lilas%
I would also guess that the base system is stuck with gcc ~4.1 due to
the GPLv3-ization of later gcc version. Is that correct?
true.
anyway - can someone point me an article about explaining in human
language (contrary to lawyer language) why GPLv3 is more limiting in
reality over v2
programs like mencoder which require
the highest efficiency.
Really - just to throw in another opinion:
As an average user I don't see any performance impact on my clang-built
desktop-every-day-workstation. The only thing that is getting on my nerves
are some ports I frequently have to
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