Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-25 Thread Ryan Coleman
, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 06:36:34AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: You're using a completely stock php.ini file. Look for short tags. Turn that on. ?php is long form... most scripts are using short tags. I don't see why you need the file name in the file

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-25 Thread Frédéric Perrin
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 06:36:34AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Look for short tags. Turn that on. ?php is long form... most scripts are using short tags. I didn't know that I had the option of using short flags or not. Where do I set that? (I'm sure

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-25 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:53:11PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 06:36:34AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Look for short tags. Turn that on. ?php is long form... most scripts are using short tags. I didn't know that I had the

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-25 Thread Brad Mettee
Gary Kline wrote: I'M trying to decide whether to tatoo this on my forehead or just make a note in my ~/.notes file for the next time this breaks. if/when. Meanwhile, the best thingt to do would simply write a script to turn ? into ?php Never know when

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-25 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:12:08 -0400, Brad Mettee bmet...@pchotshots.com wrote: Gary Kline wrote: I'M trying to decide whether to tatoo this on my forehead or just make a note in my ~/.notes file for the next time this breaks. if/when. Meanwhile, the best thingt to do would

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-25 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 02:30:09AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:12:08 -0400, Brad Mettee bmet...@pchotshots.com wrote: Gary Kline wrote: I'M trying to decide whether to tatoo this on my forehead or just make a note in my ~/.notes file for the next time this

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Gary Kline
: Guys, Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? appended. tia. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Ryan Coleman
, gary -- Ryan PHP dev. On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Gary Kline wrote: Guys, Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? appended. tia. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:47:16AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Do you have an error for it? If not... add after the first ? error_reporting(9); And see what it reports. -- Ryan PHP dev. save the bandwidth... Ok, i added the error_reporting line to both scripts. No change

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Brad Mettee
Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:47:16AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Do you have an error for it? If not... add after the first ? error_reporting(9); And see what it reports. -- Ryan PHP dev. save the bandwidth... Ok, i added the error_reporting line to both

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Ryan Coleman
Here's a quick and dirty option... FIRST make sure your permissions on the folder you want to write the countfile to is either at RWX to all or is owned by the Apache run user (PHP by default runs under the Apache Service user). I ran this in file test.php on my server. Give it a whirl. ? $dir

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 07:11:15PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means? $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Ryan Coleman
me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means? $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+); flock($fp, 1); You want an exclusive lock (LOCK_EX, which is 2 is you use some ancient PHP), not a shared lock. When updating the file

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-24 Thread Gary Kline
, Mar 23, 2011 at 07:11:15PM +0100, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means? $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+); flock($fp, 1

why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-23 Thread Gary Kline
Guys, Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? appended. tia. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-23 Thread Ryan Coleman
Do you have an error for it? If not... add after the first ? error_reporting(9); And see what it reports. -- Ryan PHP dev. On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Gary Kline wrote: Guys, Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-23 Thread Ryan Coleman
On a side note, I'd nix $count += 1; for $count++; -- ryan On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Gary Kline wrote: Guys, Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? appended. tia. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-23 Thread Paul Macdonald
On 23/03/2011 16:45, Gary Kline wrote: Guys, Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? appended. tia. $file doesn't look to be set anywhere if its a web script ( as opposed to cmd line cli) tyhen its probably passed

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-23 Thread Ryan Coleman
On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Paul Macdonald wrote: On 23/03/2011 16:45, Gary Kline wrote: Guys, Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? appended. tia. $file doesn't look to be set anywhere if its a web script

Re: why does this simple counter fail?

2011-03-23 Thread Frédéric Perrin
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: Can any of you php hackers tell me why this simple self-hacked counter bomb? As others said, what does 'this simple counter bomb' means? $fp = fopen($directory.$file, r+); flock($fp, 1); You want an exclusive lock (LOCK_EX

Re: Why FreeBSD fetch does not download a file via a proxy for HTTPS URLS (the same works fine for HTTP urls)

2011-02-25 Thread chandra reddy
I have tried this also and found the same error. #env HTTP_PROXY=https://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o /tmp/download.out 'https://destination-serve-ip/index.htm' My question is why it is not connected via Proxy sever. It tries to connect directly. I could see that if I use HTTP

Why FreeBSD fetch does not download a file via a proxy for HTTPS URLS (the same works fine for HTTP urls)

2011-02-23 Thread chandra reddy
/index.htm Authentication error Even I have tried this also and found the same error. #env HTTP_PROXY=https://proxy-server-ip:3128/ /usr/sbin/fetch -v -o /tmp/download.out 'https://destination-serve-ip/index.htm' My question is why it is not connected via Proxy sever. It tries to connect directly. I could

Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

2011-02-07 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: Also, I'm having trouble understanding how people like that get grants to do work like that.  On the one hand, they obviously know enough about cryptography to make improvements.  On the other hand, they can't seem to

Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

2011-02-07 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:12:45 -0800 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us articulated: On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: Also, I'm having trouble understanding how people like that get grants to do work like that.  On the one hand, they obviously know enough

OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

2011-02-06 Thread kellyremo
clients will be able to download faster from non HPN servers, and HPN servers will be able to receive uploads faster from non HPN clients. However, the host receiving the data must have a properly tuned TCP/IP stack. My question is: So Why Does the original OpenSSH has limited statically defined

Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

2011-02-06 Thread Bill Moran
interoperable with other servers and clients. In addition HPN clients will be able to download faster from non HPN servers, and HPN servers will be able to receive uploads faster from non HPN clients. However, the host receiving the data must have a properly tuned TCP/IP stack. My question is: So Why

Re: OpenSSH could be faster...then why don't they path it??

2011-02-06 Thread Chad Perrin
open source software to the world without storing it in a publicly accessible version control system's repository, which will automatically track commit dates for everything anyway. Also, any reason why you're asking these questions of FreeBSD and not of the OpenSSL project? I think we're

Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

2011-02-06 Thread Chuck Bacon
; except it doesn't have a clue. Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant. Any ideas why? If nothing else, I'll download disc1. Praps that'll

Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

2011-02-06 Thread Frank Shute
one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant. Any ideas why? If nothing else, I'll download disc1. Praps that'll work! Many thanks, Chuck Bacon -- c...@cape.com ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk

Why does printf(9) hang network?

2011-02-05 Thread dieterbsd
Why would doing a printf(9) in a device driver (usb, firewire, probably others) cause an obscenely long lockout on /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_sockbuf.c:148 (sx:so_rcv_sx) ? Printf(9) alone isn't the problem, adding printfs to chown(2) does not cause the problem, but printfs from device drivers do

Re: Why does printf(9) hang network?

2011-02-05 Thread Ivan Voras
On 05/02/2011 21:22, dieter...@engineer.com wrote: Why would doing a printf(9) in a device driver (usb, firewire, probably others) cause an obscenely long lockout on /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_sockbuf.c:148 (sx:so_rcv_sx) ? You should ask this question on freebsd-hackers@. Printf(9) alone

Re: Why can't I install icu?

2011-02-04 Thread Patrick Lamaiziere
Le Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:15:09 -0800, Rem P Roberti remeg...@comcast.net a écrit : Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to install. I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now deprecated, and one should install /devel/icu. But when I try to do that the file that is

Re: Why can't I install icu?

2011-02-04 Thread Rem P Roberti
Le Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:15:09 -0800, Rem P Robertiremeg...@comcast.net a écrit : Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to install. I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now deprecated, and one should install /devel/icu. But when I try to do that the file that is

Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

2011-02-04 Thread Chuck Bacon
: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant. Any ideas why? If nothing else, I'll download disc1. Praps that'll work! Many thanks, Chuck Bacon -- c...@cape.com

Re: Why can't I install icu?

2011-02-04 Thread Rem P Roberti
*NO* he's refering to the _locale_, not the timezone. They're totally separate and unrelated concepts. Locale is a means for specifying a bunch of national/regional things. like what the currency symbol (dollar-, pound-, euro-, yen-, whatever-sign) is, whether one uses ',' or '.' for marking

Re: Why can't I install icu?

2011-02-04 Thread b. f.
Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to install. I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now deprecated, and one should install /devel/icu. But when I try to do that the file that is downloaded is icu4c, and the install goes along until it chokes with this error

Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

2011-02-04 Thread Frank Shute
a larger system; except it doesn't have a clue. Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant. Any ideas why? If nothing else, I'll download disc1

Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

2011-02-04 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:05:14 +, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Sometimes manufacturers ship PC-DOS on the HDD if the machine comes with no OS; maybe that's what you are seeing. Or it could be part of a service partition, a modern means to get rid of installation media to be shipped

Re: Why can't I install icu?

2011-02-04 Thread Rem P Roberti
Try again, with a clean build, after having made sure that you've removed all remnants of the earlier icu versions; and make a transcript of the build: pkg_delete -fv icu2-* icu-* script /tmp/icu.log make -C /usr/ports/devel/icu deinstall clean install exit If the problem still occurs, then

Re: Why does my 8.2-RC3 dvd1 boot DOS?

2011-02-04 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
a larger system; except it doesn't have a clue. Here's the hypothesis: The FreeBSD-8.3-RC3 boot loader doesn't satisfy my BIOS, and the BIOS looks through the dvd until it finds one of the DOS boot loaders provided by some fdisk variant. Any ideas why? If nothing else, I'll download disc1

Why can't I install icu?

2011-02-03 Thread Rem P Roberti
Icu is a necessary dependency for Gimp, but I can't get it to install. I checked UPDATING and it states that icu4 is now deprecated, and one should install /devel/icu. But when I try to do that the file that is downloaded is icu4c, and the install goes along until it chokes with this error

Re: Why top(1) only shows time of the main thread?

2011-01-07 Thread Anonymous
Yuri y...@rawbw.com writes: TIME column is supposed to show time of the process (according to its man page). But it seems like it only shows the time of its main thread. Why? Bug in documentation? Wasn't this fixed in r182966? ___ freebsd

Re: Why top(1) only shows time of the main thread?

2011-01-07 Thread Yuri
On 01/07/2011 14:33, Anonymous wrote: Yuriy...@rawbw.com writes: TIME column is supposed to show time of the process (according to its man page). But it seems like it only shows the time of its main thread. Why? Bug in documentation? Wasn't this fixed in r182966? You

Why top(1) only shows time of the main thread?

2011-01-05 Thread Yuri
TIME column is supposed to show time of the process (according to its man page). But it seems like it only shows the time of its main thread. Why? Bug in documentation? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Re: Why are YT vids on FreeBSD all about hacking MSN? (solved)

2010-12-31 Thread Balázs Mátéffy
Hi, I don't know about this, but you should definitely check out bsdconferences. http://www.youtube.com/bsdconferences Regards, MB. On 31 December 2010 02:13, Xn Nooby xno...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to watch some videos about FreeBSD, so I went to Youtube and searched on FreeBSD. Then I

Why are YT vids on FreeBSD all about hacking MSN? (solved)

2010-12-30 Thread Xn Nooby
I wanted to watch some videos about FreeBSD, so I went to Youtube and searched on FreeBSD. Then I sorted by Date Uploaded, and almost all the videos uploaded recently are about hacking MSN. I went to the people's profiles, and they had no videos available. I am guessing that people are creating

Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Justin V.
I keep seeing my wlan0 interface go down.. I suspected a faulty wifi router.. i changed that out.. Ive tried using WEP and WPA. Currently using WPA. Here are the logs Im seeing.. Dec 16 07:47:57 yeaguy wpa_supplicant[9492]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect event - remove keys Dec 16

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Mubeesh ali
can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch. This may force AP to drop the packet, the ap may de authenticate client if it sees continuous stream of such packets in a short interval and force client to drop

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Justin V.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote: can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch. This may force AP to drop the packet, the ap may de authenticate client if it sees continuous stream of such packets

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Mubeesh ali
Hi Justin, I see 7 beacon misses on the interface which is not good the client disconnects on beacon miss...typically most ap's are configured to send a beacon every 100 ms . ..this looks similar http://madwifi-project.org/ticket/1957 thanks, Mubeesh On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Justin V.

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Justin V.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote: Hi Justin, I see 7 beacon misses on the interface which is not good the client disconnects on beacon miss...typically most ap's are configured to send a beacon every 100 ms . ..this looks similar http://madwifi-project.org/ticket/1957 thanks,

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote: interesting.. do you know of a better adapter to use?? ive done a search on wlan0 and bmiss.. alot of threads regarding that issue, but all the threads show bmiss 7 ?? does that seem odd?? FYI, you can change bmiss value with

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Justin V.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Paul B Mahol wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Justin V. v...@yeaguy.com wrote: interesting.. do you know of a better adapter to use?? ive done a search on wlan0 and bmiss.. alot of threads regarding that issue, but all the threads show bmiss 7 ?? does that seem

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread Da Rock
On 12/17/10 03:46, Justin V. wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote: can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If random there could be interference causing replay counter mismatch. This may force AP to drop the packet, the ap may de authenticate client if it

Re: Wifi keeps dropping.. not sure why, looking for tips/suggestions on debugging this

2010-12-16 Thread justin v
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:38:54 -0800, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On 12/17/10 03:46, Justin V. wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Mubeesh ali wrote: can u completely not send any traffic or is this a random drop. If random there could be interference causing replay

Why gdb-7.1 doesn't set hardware watchpoints on i7 CPU (amd64)?

2010-12-08 Thread Yuri
All watchpoints are software. How can I troubleshoot? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-12-07 Thread Richard T C Farnes
To Da Rock and others Please feel free to use my text here in any marketing. On Tuesday 23 November 2010 00:47:50 Da Rock wrote: On 11/23/10 07:29, Richard T C Farnes wrote: Why do some people get hung up in some features of our cute little mascot that remind them of devils. You must look

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-12-07 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.11.11 19:44, Ryan Coleman wrote: Not this shit again... Amen! Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-12-07 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.11.11 23:49, Adam Vande More wrote: I thought I remembered this little gem: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-June/177810.html LMFAO!! Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-22 Thread Richard T C Farnes
Why do some people get hung up in some features of our cute little mascot that remind them of devils. You must look at it in a positive way that represents FreeBSD like a sporting character that has a sporty attitude. Just observe the modern running shoes and it has a harpoon in its hand

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-22 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Richard T C Farnes rcfar...@broadpark.no wrote: [...] Linux has only a lazy penguin that does not seem to be  doing anything except sitting on its behind. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-22 Thread Da Rock
On 11/23/10 07:29, Richard T C Farnes wrote: Why do some people get hung up in some features of our cute little mascot that remind them of devils. You must look at it in a positive way that represents FreeBSD like a sporting character that has a sporty attitude. Just observe the modern running

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-20 Thread Da Rock
On 11/14/10 05:22, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-20 Thread Andrew Falanga
2010/11/11 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Jose, So many have replied already and I truthfully haven't read each post. I did want to say something about this though since I

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-19 Thread Da Rock
On 11/13/10 16:08, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cranbr...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 Chris Brennanxa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-16 Thread perryh
Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower. C is perfect Which C are you referring to here? The original KR, ANSI, or some other variant? ANSI C is different enough from KR C -- in strength of typing if nothing else --

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-16 Thread Julian H. Stacey
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower. C is perfect Which C are you referring to here? The original KR, ANSI, or some other variant? ANSI C is different enough from KR C -- in

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Someone (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Thus the question: should the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically) or P (next letter of BCPL)? there will

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-15 Thread Arthur Chance
On 11/14/10 20:44, Gary Kline wrote: TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL Stand for British Computer Programming Language? (I did have both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the 2nd edition and never got ti back.) I think

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Smith
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 337, Issue 1, Message: 19 On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:29:10 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine effort. It was over 10K line of C-ish code

History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread perryh
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' to this day) ... D is already another programming language ... It wasn't back

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following. Someone (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few researchers at Murray Hill derived C. Thus the question: should the next language in the series

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Nov 14 03:09:59 2010 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:00:35 -0800 From: per...@pluto.rain.com To: per...@apotheon.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: ... D is already another programming language ... It wasn't back then :) It is now, though, so it's a little late. So sorry. I don't know what this P has to do with it.

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: I'd vote for E since that might have more positive connotations that D. :-) Skip F altogether. That might be a good point. Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages (or anything else,

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:41:41PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: I'd vote for E since that might have more positive connotations that D. :-) Skip F altogether. That might be a good point. Google has taught me that

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 03:37:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010: Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking

Re: FreeBSD crashed - trying to find out why

2010-11-14 Thread Patrick Lamaiziere
Le Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:26:39 +0400, Rakhesh Sasidharan free...@rakhesh.net a écrit : Hello, Any idea why kernel crashed, or what I can do to prevent this in future? I understand from the forums that this could be due to bad memory or bad hard disk, but I was wondering whether this could also

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine effort. It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into C++. Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a good move. Then

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 14 Nov 2010 at 16:29:10 PST Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine effort. It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into C++. Figured since C++ was

Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:54:42PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: I'd say the Next Big Thing in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML? Python hasn't been dominant enough. *Maybe* XML -- but that might be a bit of a stretch. It might be a couple years before we can identify it. Hm. Maybe

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Chris Brennan
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Did you

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Chris Brennan
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:08:02 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: It's part of my signature it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig to the list. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Chris Brennan
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 01:06:55AM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: What would you have me do -- beat a live horse? I'm not inclined to subject

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:06:55 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net articulated: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 --

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/11/12 José Silveira jmlsilve...@gmail.com: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! José Silveira ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Mario Lobo
On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE)

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Justin V.
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Mario Lobo wrote: On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What

Fwd: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Chris Brennan
-- Forwarded message -- From: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:05 AM Subject: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net Has anyone gotten repeated forwards from the above user or is it just me? -- Did you know

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Tom Worster
the equally dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. Why vs? It's and. So let's have the vs vs and debate. isn't that where Derrida wrote the book? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Tom Worster
On 11/12/10 6:44 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat this

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Charlie Kester, Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: M$ vs Novell Unix vs Linux Mainframe vs PC DAS vs SAN Top-posting vs Bottom posting Blah blah blah vs

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Liontaur, Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;) Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack --

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 I like this one - though you

Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

2010-11-13 Thread Jerry McAllister
messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What

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